I do not want the lazy public to vote on a whim when its super easy. Should make it take longer...so maybe they can think a little? well we can only hope. But simply because it is EZ, it will not make things better, those lazy people who don't vote are not likely to care or think that much about it. I bet you'd only raise it by a few % in the long run. The disgusted will not vote, the wiser ignorant ones will not vote, and those who don't care will not vote. People who vote because their peers/family votes will not be pressured into going to the polls, so you lose some there too.
I don't care if you create a super OpenBSD/VA Linux hybred; I bet if you put a billion dollars into it, you could find systematic ways of cheating. It only gets much easier when 1 company has 80% of the market (diabold) or uses methods without a paper trail. (diabold)
Lesson 2 Learn: When doing something wrong/illegal, do it "stupidly" so when you get it, people fall for it as just an error (and then fire the honest guy for the mistakes he/she probably did not cause.)
I'd say it has to do with education/experience in the subject ---which typically comes out of interest in that subject.
Many slashdoters probably did not care much about politics, but no days when the fools in government are messing around in our turf with no clue what they are doing, THEN slashdot starts to look more political.
Although, from reading lots of posts (for some reason) I would tend to say the posters in my opinion are smarter than the average person.
The REAL problem is thinking takes too much energy and time and being lazy is in human nature. People really do act like its doing push ups or something--unless they are motivated somehow.
SOME people on the other hand are in great shape when it comes to thinking. So they don't mind running a mile just to see what is down that path.
1) safari is no longer the fastest on the mac. its now slightly behind mozilla firebird.
2) any functions you can find can still be documented somewhere. I'm not going to look it up. Even then, because of the open source code, you can figure out and use functions they use, documented or not.
3) there is a huge part of the OS that is open source. you get a ton of technical access even if every single detail is not documented. Apple puts a lot of effort into documenting their closed stuff, and I've often seen things left out over the years, and typically they just did not get to it, or have not yet decided on it yet and publish the docs when its ready.
Like I said, and others have said, IE/windows is closed and even locked up to an extent because they don't want you to know. Apple is very much open in comparison, and Microsoft's press release is just plain false and an attempt to justify their illegal behavor, which they continue to practice.
Conspiracy theories can be proven false. lets get more technical: theory X. person Y proves it false. result theory X is false.
Conspriacy "nut" adds a premise to the theory X making it technically a new version of the theory; therefore, it is NOT the same theory. SO:
Theory Z. person Y only can proove Theory X is false. result: conspiracy nut can keep most their theory in tact.
Where the "nut" thing comes in, is when the people of the theory go beyond what is viewed as resonable in their persistant revisioning. Science people do this stuff all the time, but nearly all of them draw the line somewhere and drop a bad theory.
Its like a chess game, where the loser just moves the king around the board refusing to give up. Thats the "Nut". The resonable person "lets it go" and admits defeat and moves on.
What you mean is the "nuts" who don't give up that can't be proven false because they never admit defeat---but they will let you prove the right. (like letting you give up chasing them around the chess board) They are problem, not the theories.
"scientific" theories is not what I'm talking about, and I'm not going to get into how I don't think there is any such thing as a "scientific" theory. Science is a philosophy for evalution of theories. Just because science can't get anywhere on some theories, does not make them "unscientific". Some theories remain unfalsifiable for decades...
The existance of god was simply an example of the point trying to be made. Its a poor example because it insights too much emotion in certain groups.
I did not say I picked the god side as my default position. Actually, I choose the no-god side as my default position.
Also, the existance of GOD itself is the foundation of most the religions out there, reguardless of details. After choosing the god side, there is a whole bunch of choices left.
I choose the no-god side, because it is the wisest default position in my opinion. Its hard enough trying to create a definition of what god is that is abstract enough, let alone deciding that definition may be true.
they will eventually have to tax stuff. isn't ebay like 2% of the GNP in the USA now?
With cities starting to get into internet backbone business, various fees, that could be called taxes may emerge. Would this prevent that? possibly, they are so stupid when it comes to technology...
The NAME may just be a label or "key" to logical minded people, but to the average person it is more than that. (50% below average + the average)
I bet even has the public SLOWLY learns about how bad it is, they still think those who oppose it are not patriotic. If names did nothing, they would not have pushed the name so much.
Acts/Laws should not be allowed to have any names.
IF you look it up, you'll find stats that will tell you that if everyone had the standard of living of uk family, the world could only sustain 2 billion maximum.
The usa uses/waste MORE, (wasn't it 3 times the uk in pollution?) and there are 6+ billion people in the world today.
The usa is going down. the world slightly up. the rich are going to gain on all of this. Its so predictable. Then when the world is all serfs of Gates, he will be over thrown, and the cycle continues...Each time it just seems to effect MORE people than previous times in history.
Cheap IT is now like those off-brand chinese products you buy to save on costs. Now you're the SONY being dumped for the APEX...
Again apple shows other corps how to play. Business and ethics can mix; but don't in modern times. Its nice to see some companies still doing things right. All these corporate terrorist lawyers are messing up the world ("civilally.")
Where did the old saying go?
"Its not wether you win or lose, its how you play the game."
Apple is 1 of a few who remember this. This is just another example of Job's influence; and also why apple will never win.
I do cry out about the cola wars going into the schools. Kids in the USA drink more cola than they do water. its not healthy.
Just wait, when the bush group gets public schools destroyed in favor of private ones, little billy will just go to monopolize the private school business and brainwash kids into windows.
sound silly? maybe, but lots of mega corps would LOVE to run mildy successful brainwashing schools to promote themselves. and that is a real threat.
As was said in the tobacco industry, if you don't get'em before 22, they will not be hooked for life.
Many problems have come about by treating 'new' things with new rules. read your slashdot.
As a GENERAL rule its better to extend existing law to 'new' things. IP phones are not really that 'new', its just a phone with a different network layers.
Sure, a FEW laws may not apply, but most do. Such as 911 laws.
If a law does not fit, then simply exempt it; but one should always hesitate before creating 'new' laws. We have way too many 'special case' laws now.
Lawyers are just giving themselves job security by running for legislative office.
In fact, people should NOT be SUCKERED. The REAL WORLD does not work so simple.
He can be HELD FOREVER...unless.... he admits guilt and points out some people....
Come on people, just because someone legally agrees to something does not make it true. He could still be not-guilty, or maybe he is.
Its really hard to tell, remember we are in witch hunt mode these days. This could possibly be some such situation.
Oh yes, it happens EVERYDAY in our legal system on other charges. Sometimes they deserve it, sometimes they are wimps, sometimes it simply is the lesser of two bad choices.
The 'terminator' would do everything in his power to protect little billy...
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A "living" language must be defended; otherwise, it can lose purpose and limit one's thought.
Hitler's people knew this. (see 1984 also)
Words can be attacked and destroyed. By taking words away from people, they can not as clearly express themselves. It is completely possible to actually change the way people think by playing around with the language.
A redefined, vague, or banned word can have far reaching effects on a population---and they will not even notice it.
Most people think in their language. (some hear other voices in their head...)
If a group of words were removed or made ineffective a whole concept would be difficult to even think about in that language (there would still be that 1% who would "excape".)
In fact, the more I learn about it, the more I realize the incredible power applied social science has. Forget the nukes, there are bigger things out there you'll not even know are coming.
It IS being attempted all the time. It also occurs naturally. The orginal must be kept intact.
If IRONIC becomes a vague catch all word, the ability to express REAL ironic situations will deminish.
Conspiracy "nuts" are not invalid positions.
IT IS A REAL THEORY. You must be that the Theorists themselves are not "real" theorists because their motivational bias is a belief in the theory.
If you want to bring in logic, you are not going to get anywhere. There is just as much logic on both sides and a lot of people who don't use logic on BOTH sides.
Its something that can't be proven either way unless the government admits it is true. Its the nature of THAT CLASSIC argument. Tough luck, thats logic.
Its like the GOD arugments.
Not that I'm on a side here, but its not JUST a "belief" system. Its choosing the side of an unproven argument. So it is a belief, but so is the OTHER SIDE, and no less valid.
Just because a few times a cover up fails, does not give you even enough to make a statistical prodiction---because its hard to know how many did not fail. Just like aliens, just like GOD, just like government.
Since sometimes a side is needed, I choose the wiser/safer position. On this topic, I don't see any good default position. So I don't care, except to see both sides calling names etc.
your not straight on your facts.
Apple shows how it should be done. Job's philosophy is all about HOW you play the game not in winning and losing.
Gates is all about winning at any cost.
The companies largely reflect thier dictator ceos. But somehow with Apple, the stock advisors don't like how Jobs has all people who think like him. But for Gates, who did the SAME thing, they don't say anything.
That is the philosophical difference between the two, and it has effected their companies to a large degree.
Apple has to make money, so does MS. But MS is only 1 step away from killing people; while Apple is continually bordering on death according to the constant reports for the last 15 years.
Perhaps the HARDWARE market needs to come back. It used to be hardware was the biz, and software was junk that came with it. Now its the opposite world. Apple WILL release their software, if not open source it ALL the SAME DAY the market switches back to being HARDWARE DRIVEN. And that will never happen, because somebody (dell) will exploit the market's software and provide cheap hardware while doing nothing to contribute to the industry.
Apple has no extra tie-ins with Safari. Everyone who knows anything knows this. Mozilla's Camino and Firebird kick IE ass. Camino is VERY close to Safari in terms of speed, and its more mature, when Safari catches up to Mozilla, they will be the same speed. Its hardly noticable to me right now.
IE blows chunks and has for a while now. It was obvious to many of us that IE was not being supported well, and that it was only a matter of time before MS completely integrated IE into the OS. (Although I thought it would be years with the anti-trust keeping them on the mac. But as we have seen the weak settlement is not even being followed...and to no surprise.)
As nice as the irony may seem, there is NO IRONY here. Apple has NO advantage other than its browser is based on KHTML. And all the other open source browsers are much better than IE. The disadvantage is bloated IE and small development group. (closed source)
I expect Slashdot to know better, but the rest the world will fall for it and see it as "Ironic". It will also be interpreted by some as a blessing of the extreme bundling MS does.
Everone else does it correctly, or more correctly-- they loosely couple their software. The unix paradyms are followed.
MS tightly couples everything. MS can never understand unix.
Gates is not as "smart" as people think. Just because the guy looks like he should have been in Revenge of the Nerds, does not make him smart.
He has more money/power than a country behind him. And a large number of smart people behind him. He gets too much credit from the work of others.
I've heard him speak, and he is no more up on technology than some sales guy at a Gateway store. Think about it. He is human (or just looks like it) and has only so much time in a day. He has a lot of other things to do. Like give silly lectures with less depth than the posts to a slashdot article.
Insightful? You must be kidding!
His "pet" project it was not. He lied about DOS and then had to find something quick before he was sued. He bought CPM ported it, and sold that as DOS. That stupid backslash was his fault too.
Without gates the world would be a better place. PERIOD!
Apple would be the bad guy, but not as bad as MS.
Even then, if the market had been truely OPEN ALL THESE YEARS and actually capitalist, which it was not, then we'd see a lot more.
Open Source would be smaller, because it is largely fueled from a stagnent monopolistic market. The OS would probably be open source. Not because of market reaction to a dictator, but because that would have worked better.
Standards would be better. XML would have happened sooner, or EDL would have been bigger. With MORE diversity, the apps need to work together more.
We would not have WORD documents to mess with.
Eventually, more open formats would have come about from having dozens of products trying to read each other's formats.
Also, the hardware was the biz. Gates changed it around so the software was the biz. Its possible that things would still be the same. Hardware would be the biz, and perhaps since the software would have less value, we would have a huge open source market driven by hardware sales. Instead we have cheap hardware and expensive software.
The hardware all works together on standards because of the COMPEDATIVE market. I remember when all hardware was proprietary. (So, don't complain that standards compliance is not perfect.)
Point is, look at the hardware biz, and see that it was the same as software is now, and that with the open market, it got much much better and cheaper. Same goes for software.
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no way. I can not disagree more.
I do not want the lazy public to vote on a whim when its super easy. Should make it take longer...so maybe they can think a little? well we can only hope.
But simply because it is EZ, it will not make things better, those lazy people who don't vote are not likely to care or think that much about it. I bet you'd only raise it by a few % in the long run. The disgusted will not vote, the wiser ignorant ones will not vote, and those who don't care will not vote. People who vote because their peers/family votes will not be pressured into going to the polls, so you lose some there too.
I don't care if you create a super OpenBSD/VA Linux hybred; I bet if you put a billion dollars into it, you could find systematic ways of cheating. It only gets much easier when 1 company has 80% of the market (diabold) or uses methods without a paper trail. (diabold)
Lesson 2 Learn:
When doing something wrong/illegal, do it "stupidly" so when you get it, people fall for it as just an error (and then fire the honest guy for the mistakes he/she probably did not cause.)
Welcome to the REAL world.
EXACTLY!!!
I'd say it has to do with education/experience in the subject ---which typically comes out of interest in that subject.
Many slashdoters probably did not care much about politics, but no days when the fools in government are messing around in our turf with no clue what they are doing, THEN slashdot starts to look more political.
Although, from reading lots of posts (for some reason) I would tend to say the posters in my opinion are smarter than the average person.
The REAL problem is thinking takes too much energy and time and being lazy is in human nature. People really do act like its doing push ups or something--unless they are motivated somehow.
SOME people on the other hand are in great shape when it comes to thinking. So they don't mind running a mile just to see what is down that path.
1) safari is no longer the fastest on the mac. its now slightly behind mozilla firebird.
2) any functions you can find can still be documented somewhere. I'm not going to look it up.
Even then, because of the open source code, you can figure out and use functions they use, documented or not.
3) there is a huge part of the OS that is open source. you get a ton of technical access even if every single detail is not documented. Apple puts a lot of effort into documenting their closed stuff, and I've often seen things left out over the years, and typically they just did not get to it, or have not yet decided on it yet and publish the docs when its ready.
Like I said, and others have said, IE/windows is closed and even locked up to an extent because they don't want you to know. Apple is very much open in comparison, and Microsoft's press release is just plain false and an attempt to justify their illegal behavor, which they continue to practice.
Conspiracy theories can be proven false.
lets get more technical:
theory X.
person Y proves it false.
result theory X is false.
Conspriacy "nut" adds a premise to the theory X making it technically a new version of the theory; therefore, it is NOT the same theory. SO:
Theory Z.
person Y only can proove Theory X is false.
result: conspiracy nut can keep most their theory in tact.
Where the "nut" thing comes in, is when the people of the theory go beyond what is viewed as resonable in their persistant revisioning. Science people do this stuff all the time, but nearly all of them draw the line somewhere and drop a bad theory.
Its like a chess game, where the loser just moves the king around the board refusing to give up. Thats the "Nut". The resonable person "lets it go" and admits defeat and moves on.
What you mean is the "nuts" who don't give up that can't be proven false because they never admit defeat---but they will let you prove the right. (like letting you give up chasing them around the chess board) They are problem, not the theories.
"scientific" theories is not what I'm talking about, and I'm not going to get into how I don't think there is any such thing as a "scientific" theory. Science is a philosophy for evalution of theories. Just because science can't get anywhere on some theories, does not make them "unscientific". Some theories remain unfalsifiable for decades...
The existance of god was simply an example of the point trying to be made. Its a poor example because it insights too much emotion in certain groups.
I did not say I picked the god side as my default position. Actually, I choose the no-god side as my default position.
Also, the existance of GOD itself is the foundation of most the religions out there, reguardless of details. After choosing the god side, there is a whole bunch of choices left.
I choose the no-god side, because it is the wisest default position in my opinion. Its hard enough trying to create a definition of what god is that is abstract enough, let alone deciding that definition may be true.
you did not read inbetween my lines correctly.
they will eventually have to tax stuff. isn't ebay like 2% of the GNP in the USA now?
With cities starting to get into internet backbone business, various fees, that could be called taxes may emerge. Would this prevent that? possibly, they are so stupid when it comes to technology...
Its age old mass psycology.
The NAME may just be a label or "key" to logical minded people, but to the average person it is more than that. (50% below average + the average)
I bet even has the public SLOWLY learns about how bad it is, they still think those who oppose it are not patriotic. If names did nothing, they would not have pushed the name so much.
Acts/Laws should not be allowed to have any names.
IF you look it up, you'll find stats that will tell you that if everyone had the standard of living of uk family, the world could only sustain 2 billion maximum.
The usa uses/waste MORE, (wasn't it 3 times the uk in pollution?) and there are 6+ billion people in the world today.
The usa is going down. the world slightly up. the rich are going to gain on all of this. Its so predictable. Then when the world is all serfs of Gates, he will be over thrown, and the cycle continues...Each time it just seems to effect MORE people than previous times in history.
Cheap IT is now like those off-brand chinese products you buy to save on costs. Now you're the SONY being dumped for the APEX...
Thanks for the bigger stick that we did not need then, would have found someday anyway, and speeding up the downward spiral towards mankinds' doom.
Will education outpace technology? or will the technology get the best of us in the long run?
FYI:
its technically an offensive weapon and even then its just a threat that hopefully nobody will follow thru on.
Again apple shows other corps how to play.
Business and ethics can mix; but don't in modern times. Its nice to see some companies still doing things right. All these corporate terrorist lawyers are messing up the world ("civilally.")
Where did the old saying go?
"Its not wether you win or lose, its how you play the game."
Apple is 1 of a few who remember this. This is just another example of Job's influence; and also why apple will never win.
I do cry out about the cola wars going into the schools. Kids in the USA drink more cola than they do water. its not healthy.
Just wait, when the bush group gets public schools destroyed in favor of private ones, little billy will just go to monopolize the private school business and brainwash kids into windows.
sound silly? maybe, but lots of mega corps would LOVE to run mildy successful brainwashing schools to promote themselves. and that is a real threat.
As was said in the tobacco industry, if you don't get'em before 22, they will not be hooked for life.
Even then, our protests go belittled in the media (unless record size) and are dismissed by the white house; which just uses a straw man.
They were DOOMED as are the other blackholes; to suck, but they did pull in a mass of spam along with the innocents.
Do Linux, BSD, and Mac OS X have enough people checking for security flaws? Or do all these viruses actually HELP windows catch up?
Will windows eventually become better as a result of all these attacks?
Not really.
Many problems have come about by treating 'new' things with new rules. read your slashdot.
As a GENERAL rule its better to extend existing law to 'new' things. IP phones are not really that 'new', its just a phone with a different network layers.
Sure, a FEW laws may not apply, but most do. Such as 911 laws.
If a law does not fit, then simply exempt it; but one should always hesitate before creating 'new' laws. We have way too many 'special case' laws now.
Lawyers are just giving themselves job security by running for legislative office.
My "way of life" is NOT the same as my technology void friends. (who say I have no life 2 begin with)
In fact, people should NOT be SUCKERED. The REAL WORLD does not work so simple. He can be HELD FOREVER...unless.... he admits guilt and points out some people.... Come on people, just because someone legally agrees to something does not make it true. He could still be not-guilty, or maybe he is. Its really hard to tell, remember we are in witch hunt mode these days. This could possibly be some such situation. Oh yes, it happens EVERYDAY in our legal system on other charges. Sometimes they deserve it, sometimes they are wimps, sometimes it simply is the lesser of two bad choices.
The 'terminator' would do everything in his power to protect little billy...
A "living" language must be defended; otherwise, it can lose purpose and limit one's thought. Hitler's people knew this. (see 1984 also) Words can be attacked and destroyed. By taking words away from people, they can not as clearly express themselves. It is completely possible to actually change the way people think by playing around with the language. A redefined, vague, or banned word can have far reaching effects on a population---and they will not even notice it. Most people think in their language. (some hear other voices in their head...) If a group of words were removed or made ineffective a whole concept would be difficult to even think about in that language (there would still be that 1% who would "excape".) In fact, the more I learn about it, the more I realize the incredible power applied social science has. Forget the nukes, there are bigger things out there you'll not even know are coming. It IS being attempted all the time. It also occurs naturally. The orginal must be kept intact. If IRONIC becomes a vague catch all word, the ability to express REAL ironic situations will deminish.
Conspiracy "nuts" are not invalid positions. IT IS A REAL THEORY. You must be that the Theorists themselves are not "real" theorists because their motivational bias is a belief in the theory. If you want to bring in logic, you are not going to get anywhere. There is just as much logic on both sides and a lot of people who don't use logic on BOTH sides. Its something that can't be proven either way unless the government admits it is true. Its the nature of THAT CLASSIC argument. Tough luck, thats logic. Its like the GOD arugments. Not that I'm on a side here, but its not JUST a "belief" system. Its choosing the side of an unproven argument. So it is a belief, but so is the OTHER SIDE, and no less valid. Just because a few times a cover up fails, does not give you even enough to make a statistical prodiction---because its hard to know how many did not fail. Just like aliens, just like GOD, just like government. Since sometimes a side is needed, I choose the wiser/safer position. On this topic, I don't see any good default position. So I don't care, except to see both sides calling names etc.
your not straight on your facts. Apple shows how it should be done. Job's philosophy is all about HOW you play the game not in winning and losing. Gates is all about winning at any cost. The companies largely reflect thier dictator ceos. But somehow with Apple, the stock advisors don't like how Jobs has all people who think like him. But for Gates, who did the SAME thing, they don't say anything. That is the philosophical difference between the two, and it has effected their companies to a large degree. Apple has to make money, so does MS. But MS is only 1 step away from killing people; while Apple is continually bordering on death according to the constant reports for the last 15 years. Perhaps the HARDWARE market needs to come back. It used to be hardware was the biz, and software was junk that came with it. Now its the opposite world. Apple WILL release their software, if not open source it ALL the SAME DAY the market switches back to being HARDWARE DRIVEN. And that will never happen, because somebody (dell) will exploit the market's software and provide cheap hardware while doing nothing to contribute to the industry.
Apple has no extra tie-ins with Safari. Everyone who knows anything knows this. Mozilla's Camino and Firebird kick IE ass. Camino is VERY close to Safari in terms of speed, and its more mature, when Safari catches up to Mozilla, they will be the same speed. Its hardly noticable to me right now. IE blows chunks and has for a while now. It was obvious to many of us that IE was not being supported well, and that it was only a matter of time before MS completely integrated IE into the OS. (Although I thought it would be years with the anti-trust keeping them on the mac. But as we have seen the weak settlement is not even being followed...and to no surprise.) As nice as the irony may seem, there is NO IRONY here. Apple has NO advantage other than its browser is based on KHTML. And all the other open source browsers are much better than IE. The disadvantage is bloated IE and small development group. (closed source) I expect Slashdot to know better, but the rest the world will fall for it and see it as "Ironic". It will also be interpreted by some as a blessing of the extreme bundling MS does. Everone else does it correctly, or more correctly-- they loosely couple their software. The unix paradyms are followed. MS tightly couples everything. MS can never understand unix.
Oh yes, I forgot.
Gates is not as "smart" as people think. Just because the guy looks like he should have been in Revenge of the Nerds, does not make him smart.
He has more money/power than a country behind him. And a large number of smart people behind him. He gets too much credit from the work of others.
I've heard him speak, and he is no more up on technology than some sales guy at a Gateway store. Think about it. He is human (or just looks like it) and has only so much time in a day. He has a lot of other things to do.
Like give silly lectures with less depth than the posts to a slashdot article.
Insightful? You must be kidding! His "pet" project it was not. He lied about DOS and then had to find something quick before he was sued. He bought CPM ported it, and sold that as DOS. That stupid backslash was his fault too. Without gates the world would be a better place. PERIOD! Apple would be the bad guy, but not as bad as MS. Even then, if the market had been truely OPEN ALL THESE YEARS and actually capitalist, which it was not, then we'd see a lot more. Open Source would be smaller, because it is largely fueled from a stagnent monopolistic market. The OS would probably be open source. Not because of market reaction to a dictator, but because that would have worked better. Standards would be better. XML would have happened sooner, or EDL would have been bigger. With MORE diversity, the apps need to work together more. We would not have WORD documents to mess with. Eventually, more open formats would have come about from having dozens of products trying to read each other's formats. Also, the hardware was the biz. Gates changed it around so the software was the biz. Its possible that things would still be the same. Hardware would be the biz, and perhaps since the software would have less value, we would have a huge open source market driven by hardware sales. Instead we have cheap hardware and expensive software. The hardware all works together on standards because of the COMPEDATIVE market. I remember when all hardware was proprietary. (So, don't complain that standards compliance is not perfect.) Point is, look at the hardware biz, and see that it was the same as software is now, and that with the open market, it got much much better and cheaper. Same goes for software.
It is not funny anymore; and it only was funny because everyone was dead wrong on the whole quote.