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Bill Gates, Entertainment God?

ppgreat sent in a wired story about the home of the future sort of story discussing A/V in a Microsoft Media Player 9 future. As seems to always be the case, there's a lot of cool stuff in there, but more than a few eyebrow raises.

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  1. Bill Gates, Entertainment God? by sweeney37 · · Score: 4, Funny

    so does this make Balmer some sort of weird Dancin' Jesus?

    Mike

    1. Re:Bill Gates, Entertainment God? by Lank · · Score: 1

      Hey Balmer, I have four words for you:

      "I
      love
      sweaty
      pitstains".

      Gross man.

      --
      Gotta get me one of these!
    2. Re:Bill Gates, Entertainment God? by mrklin · · Score: 1

      Steve (Jobs) might have something to say about this. So would Barry (Diller).

    3. Re:Bill Gates, Entertainment God? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The answer is clear: eat PopTARTS instad and let Bill GAytes choke on teh toast!!11!!1

      LOL bwahahahwhawhhwhah ROTFSD

    4. Re:Bill Gates, Entertainment God? by IdleTime · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Sure :)

      What really bothers me is the thought of my apartment talking to me when I come home after a long and crueling day at work, not to mention the reading of your email:
      - Here is your new card! Platinum XYZ at 49% interest!
      No thanks, I have enough spam as it is!

      And since this crappy house seems to be running Windows, how on Earth am I gonna trust the biometric reader to work? Think about it! MS products is not exactly rock bottom solid... You're coming home after a rather liquid night and stare into the reader when a female voice comes back at you: "Access denied. Please evacuate the premises withing 30 sec or the Police will be notified" Heck no! I don't want that crap.

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  2. Entertainment God? by OwnerOfWhinyCat · · Score: 4, Funny

    Agent Gates will do.

    1. Re:Entertainment God? by deadsaijinx* · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      satan, god, it's all good

      --
      YOU SUCK BALLS!
    2. Re:Entertainment God? by Drathus · · Score: 1

      Nah... He just changes his score sheet to be closer to it.

    3. Re:Entertainment God? by Fembot · · Score: 1

      Yeah, you'd think given his attitude to competition he'd be a big beliver in monotheism

    4. Re:Entertainment God? by shione · · Score: 1

      woah!

    5. Re:Entertainment God? by DarkHelmet · · Score: 2, Funny
      $r1= Assimilate("SCO");
      $r2= Assimilate("Morpheus");
      $r3= Assimilate("Oracle");
      $r4= Assimilate("Andover");

      if (!$r4)
      { ?>
      Yes, that's it...
      It'll be over soon.
      <? }

      $r4= Assimilate("Andover");

      if (!$r4)
      {
      KungFuLawyerChop("Andover");
      }
      --
      /^[A-Z0-9._%+-]+@[A-Z0-9.-]+\.[A-Z]{2,4}$/i
    6. Re:Entertainment God? by Firestorm_Rising · · Score: 1

      "Gates will suffice"

  3. I Prefer to think of him as a Plastic Jesus by Angry+White+Guy · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    I don't care if it rains of freezes
    'Long as I got my Plastic Jesus
    Riding on the dashboard of my car.

    Through my trials and tribulations
    And my travels through the nations
    With my Plastic Jesus I'll go far.
    Plastic Jesus! Plastic Jesus,
    Riding on the dashboard of my car

    I'm afraid He'll have to go.
    His magnets ruin my radio
    And if I have a wreck He'll leave a scar.
    Riding down a thoroughfare
    With His nose up in the air,
    A wreck may be ahead, but He don't mind.

    Trouble coming He don't see,
    He just keeps His eye on me
    And any other thing that lies behind.
    Plastic Jesus! Plastic Jesus,
    Riding on the dashboard of my car ...

    Though the sunshine on His back
    Make Him peel, chip and crack,
    A little patching keeps Him up to par.
    When I'm in a traffic jam
    He don't care if I say "damn"
    I can let all my curses roll

    Plastic Jesus doesn't hear
    'Cause he has a plastic ear
    The man who invented plastic saved my soul.
    Plastic Jesus! Plastic Jesus,
    Riding on the dashboard of my car ...

    Once His robe was snowy white,
    Now it isn't quite so bright -
    Stained by the smoke of my cigar.
    If I weave around at night,
    And policemen think I'm tight,
    They never find my bottle - though they ask.

    Plastic Jesus shelters me,
    For His head comes off, you see
    He's hollow, and I use Him for a flask.
    Plastic Jesus! Plastic Jesus,

    Riding on the dashboard of my car ...
    Ride with me and have a dram
    Of the blood of the Lamb -
    Plastic Jesus is a holy bar.

    --
    You think that I'm crazy, you should see this guy!
    1. Re:I Prefer to think of him as a Plastic Jesus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ha, I like that song, I prefer Love me, I'm a liberal more though.

  4. bill gates, god? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    I dunno, but the words Bill Gates and God in the same sentence just seem, morally, and ethically wrong...

    1. Re:bill gates, god? by Jareeedo · · Score: 2, Funny

      Yea, its generally my policy to avoid using the words Gates and G-d in the same sentence.

    2. Re:bill gates, god? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      dude! I just posted that! what, are you flash or something?

    3. Re:bill gates, god? by pmz · · Score: 5, Funny

      Yea, its generally my policy to avoid using the words Gates and G-d in the same sentence.

      What about: "God help us, Gates is more powerful than the President!"

    4. Re:bill gates, god? by Jareeedo · · Score: 1

      I am. And I'm overdue for a big-budget hollywood flick starring Ben Affleck as me.

    5. Re:bill gates, god? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      duuude! Have some morals man, at least get a grade B actor!

    6. Re:bill gates, god? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why?

      So long as it's "damn that Bill Gates".

    7. Re:bill gates, god? by sharkey · · Score: 4, Funny
      I dunno, but the words Bill Gates and God in the same sentence just seem, morally, and ethically wrong...

      How about, "Bill Gates was struck down by a bolt from a clear sky, which is generally considered to be the Wrath of God."

      --

      --
      "Outlook not so good." That magic 8-ball knows everything! I'll ask about Exchange Server next.
    8. Re:bill gates, god? by Jareeedo · · Score: 1

      Well I always suspected something more insidious with that whole MSN butterfly.

    9. Re:bill gates, god? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bruce Campbell is.... The Flash!

    10. re:bill gates, god? by ed.han · · Score: 1

      have you seen the PATRIOT act, and its progency, PATRIOT act 2, perchance?

    11. Re:bill gates, god? by UnknowingFool · · Score: 3, Funny

      Have you ever used Windows ME? You use the two terms alot in the same sentence:
      "What the hell?!!! I swear to God, I'm going to kill Bill Gates for this."

      --
      Well, there's spam egg sausage and spam, that's not got much spam in it.
    12. Re:bill gates, god? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yea, its generally my policy to avoid using the words Gates and G-d in the same sentence.

      I don't believe in Bill Gates, does that make me a Gatheist?

    13. Re:bill gates, god? by Angry+White+Guy · · Score: 1

      Is Mel Gibson in that one, or is it Steven Segal?

      --
      You think that I'm crazy, you should see this guy!
    14. Re:bill gates, god? by the_real_tigga · · Score: 1

      Yea, its generally my policy to avoid using the words Gates and G-d in the same sentence.

      What about: "God help us, Gates is more powerful than the President!"


      Frankly, I find the usage of "God" and "the President" in the same sentence much more frightening. Unfortunately, it is much more common though.

      --
      my .sig is better than yours.
    15. Re:bill gates, god? by JohnnyGTO · · Score: 1

      Will insurance pay or is this considered an act of God?

      --
      Si vis pacem, para bellum! For evil to succeed good men need only do nothing!
    16. Re:bill gates, god? by C0LDFusion · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      How about, "The President said today that God is dead, confirming Nietzsche" Yeah, right. Like Bush could pronounce Nietzsche.

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      Only in slashdot are posts of solidarity modded at -1 Redundant, while posts of antagonism are modded as -1 Flamebait.
    17. Re:bill gates, god? by rock_climbing_guy · · Score: 1
      How about:

      If Bill Gates had a nickel for every GD time this Windows crashed ....

      --
      Wh47 d1d j00 541, 31337 15n't t3h r0xor5 ne m0r3???
    18. Re:bill gates, god? by co1e · · Score: 1

      I would agree with that on many levels, Bill Gates in no where near a God. He is closer to being the devil, and regardless of anything anyone else says I think he should live in purgatory. Thank you for listening to my rambling.

    19. Re:bill gates, god? by Gareth+Williams · · Score: 1

      he does

      --

      --Gareth
    20. Re:bill gates, god? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      True to That Me is the stupidest thing south of SAHARA

    21. Re:bill gates, god? by msborg · · Score: 1

      True - Bill Gates actually exists!

    22. Re:bill gates, god? by coke_dite · · Score: 1
      Bruce Campbell is gettin' old.... don't think he could cut it in tights dude :) Besides, when he does a cameo in Spiderman and nobody even recognizes him, it's time to have an Army of Darkness festival and either find an older hero to portray or turn entirely to directing...

      Interestingly enough, he will also have a cameo in the second Spiderman! YAY Brucey!

      Although, to be honest, I have to admit that more people I know noticed Bruce Campbell's cameo than old Stan's :)

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    23. Re:bill gates, god? by hesiod · · Score: 1

      > he does [have a nickel for every time Windows crashes]

      Come on, he's only a multi-billionaire... He'd have trillions if that was the case.

  5. Thanks, but no. by Bonker · · Score: 2, Funny

    I'd rather not have my house p'wned by some l33t electronic theives, thanks. Heaven help you when CodeRedVII hits and makes everyone's house vulnerable to the 'StealyourTVandStereo' exploit.

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    1. Re:Thanks, but no. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No problem... my house will raise up on legs and run to safety.

    2. Re:Thanks, but no. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      I'd rather not have my house p'wned by some l33t electronic theives, thanks. Heaven help you when CodeRedVII hits and makes everyone's house vulnerable to the 'StealyourTVandStereo' exploit.

      CodeReadVII won't use the 'StealyourTVandStereo' exploit, it will simply reprogram your TV so that it only picks up bad copies of other 'reality' shows and your radio only pick up 'boy-bands'.

      Oh, wait. We already have that.

    3. Re:Thanks, but no. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      CodeRedVII won't affect Windows Media edition...it will instead be vulnerable to the "Hunt for Code Red October" virus...

    4. Re:Thanks, but no. by The_dev0 · · Score: 1
      CodeReadVII won't use the 'StealyourTVandStereo' exploit, it will simply reprogram your TV so that it only picks up bad copies of other 'reality' shows and your radio only pick up 'boy-bands'.

      ahhhh.... the infamous clearchannel exploit. My goodness, I hope that gets patched soon...

      --
      Never fight naked, unless you're in prison...
  6. oh no! by tha_mink · · Score: 2, Funny

    Instead of traditional locks, there's an electronic kiosk with a touchscreen, a biometric scanner, and a smartcard reader. Go ahead and make eye contact; if you're a match, you'll pass through into your future home - a time and place a half-dozen years from now when your living quarters will recognize you, communicate with you, and anticipate your every need.


    "Somebody cracked into my front door."

    I hope this happens becuase I can't wait to read the security patches for the front door on the "Update" page.

    --
    You'll have that sometimes...
    1. Re: oh no! by Black+Parrot · · Score: 1


      > "Somebody cracked into my front door."

      "And I didn't even know I had a back door!"

      --
      Sheesh, evil *and* a jerk. -- Jade
    2. Re:oh no! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd be more concerned about when I couldn't get in my own home because Windows XP crashed and the electronic kiosk is down.

  7. Why Bill Gates? by johnnyb · · Score: 1

    Why do people still make Bill Gates synonymous with Microsoft? He stepped down as CEO. Now it's Ballmer, not Gates.

    1. Re:Why Bill Gates? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      do you honestly believe he has NO say in what goes on?

      I am still worried for the day when you will be greeted by a picture of Bill Gates telling you to wake up and pay homage to him.

      Everyone will be required to have an "XBox" in their home and be connected to Microsoft Satellite/Cable.

      It's going to be a bleak future.

    2. Re:Why Bill Gates? by astrashe · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Gates can fire Ballamer, and Ballamer can't fire Gates.

      Owning stock trumps a title.

    3. Re:Why Bill Gates? by Keeper · · Score: 2, Insightful

      ...maybe because Gates was one of the people instrumental to Microsoft's success? He may no longer be the CEO of the company, but it's not like he sits around home all day drinking lattés and surfing the net...

      I believe his title is "Chairman and Chief Software Architect." In the organizational scheme of the company, Ballmer still reports to Gates.

    4. Re:Why Bill Gates? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why do people still make Bill Gates synonymous with Microsoft?

      If it wasn't for your user id, I would say:
      Hi. Welcome to Slashdot, you must be new here.

    5. Re:Why Bill Gates? by Max+Coffee · · Score: 1

      Well, he is still chairman of the board, the most prominent spokesman (note who delivers the keynote speech at Comdex for example), and the chief visionary (that's what's meant by "software architect" in this context). Plus, of course, the largest stockholder.

      More importantly, last time I checked (which was a fair bit after the promotion), Steve (CEO) still reported to Bill (Chairman) on the company's internal org chart.

    6. Re:Why Bill Gates? by tc · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but that's because Joe Ballamer is just an intern tester. Oh, wait, you were talking about Steve Ballmer...

    7. Re:Why Bill Gates? by CleverNickName · · Score: 5, Funny

      Gates can fire Ballamer, and Ballamer can't fire Gates.

      Owning stock trumps a title.


      It certainly doesn't hurt Gates to have The One Ring, either.

    8. Re:Why Bill Gates? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Gee..I feel bad for Ballamer then, whoever the hell he is.

      Meanwhile, I hear "Ballmer" knows some nasty drunken-monkey style and could probably kick his ass..or did I hear that he got drunk and danced monkey-style until someone kicked his ass? I can never remember this stuff.

    9. Re:Why Bill Gates? by blix5 · · Score: 0

      The last I heard, Gates was chairman of the board, and the board is the body that selects the executives of the company. (correct me if that info is wrong.) :)

  8. I predict... by NanoGator · · Score: 0

    ... that a lot of people will come up with some kind of unlikely fictional tale about how this media setup from MS will be really really awful for everybody. "Soon you'll have to have Borg-style implants in order to turn on your computer. M$ is trying to own the world, man!

    --
    "Derp de derp."
    1. Re:I predict... by Drathus · · Score: 1

      Awful?

      I'd love to have Borg type impants to contorl my home. =)

    2. Re:I predict... by Jack+Comics · · Score: 1

      Borg-style implants might not be so bad. I wouldn't mind my significant other getting Borg-style implants. They obviously did wonders for Jeri Ryan's career. Now if only my significant other would agree to wearing a catsuit to show off her new Borg-style implants...

      --
      "We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars." - Oscar Wilde
  9. Eyebrow raises by EpsCylonB · · Score: 1

    pinky to mouth, "1 billion dollars"

  10. All on Windows by BJZQ8 · · Score: 2, Funny

    It will be interesting to see if all of this embedded icemakers and digital toilets and such will be crashing as much as the Windows CE-powered cars and navigation devices...

    1. Re:All on Windows by rekkanoryo · · Score: 0, Troll

      They will as long as Microshaft has a line or more of code in any of it.

    2. Re:All on Windows by kp833 · · Score: 1

      If something goes wrong you can always reboot your house. You can find ctrl-alt-del keys on your microwave in your kitchen

  11. Hmm.. by Squidgee · · Score: 1
    As much as I distrust (not hate) MS for their lack of security, this seems like something I'd want. The idea of the house..damn, it sounds cool. The biometrics, the email thing...all awesome.

    And, if you could integrate other OSes into it (read: Mac OS X), then it'd be freaking heaven.

    1. Re:Hmm.. by Lumpy · · Score: 1

      this seems like something I'd want. The idea of the house..damn, it sounds cool.

      and unfortunately 100% impossible without OSS and BSD or linux.

      Microsoft will never go against the Media lords so you will never legally buy the media integration that this "house" supposedly has.

      your only chance at this stuff is build it yourself or hope that someone else in the OSS world does...

      If you read the article you will notice at the end that it mentions the harsh reality that the MPAA nad RIAA wont allow microsoft to do what they want. the media PC is seperated from the house in their "reality" house. and will stay that way forever.

      thank your favorite rock band and movie star for that.

      --
      Do not look at laser with remaining good eye.
  12. Clippy in the kitchen by sczimme · · Score: 4, Funny


    From the article:

    Break out the food processor and some baking material; your home recognizes RFID tags in the bag of flour and offers to help. "How about focaccia?"

    I wouldn't want Clippy (or any of his pals) monkeying around with anything I was going to eat: he would probably still be mad from the gazillionth time he was 'killed' and would add a bunch of habaneros or something.

    --
    I want to drag this out as long as possible. Bring me my protractor.
    1. Re:Clippy in the kitchen by confused+one · · Score: 1

      "Clippy goes on a rampage..." Or turn the hot water WAY up during your shower... Or lock you out... Or interrupt EVERYTHING you try to do with some stupid suggestion...

    2. Re:Clippy in the kitchen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      "Looks like you're trying to get some sleep! Let me help by counting sheep out loud for you!"

    3. Re:Clippy in the kitchen by tvsjr · · Score: 1

      Yeah...

      "It appears you're attempting to engage in relations with your significant other! Can I help by a) researching alternative positions, b) ..."

      Oh, wait, this is Slashdot, what am I thinking?

    4. Re:Clippy in the kitchen by pair-a-noyd · · Score: 1

      That fucking Clippy bitch. I hate that son of a bitch with a passion. I think Clippy is a minion of Satan from the 9th level of HELL...

      I would like to see someone hack Q3A to include Clippy as one of the bad guys. I would love to blow the shit of him with the BFG 9000....

    5. Re:Clippy in the kitchen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      It's a mark of how much time I spend reading /. that I saw "RFID on the bag of flour" and immediately thought "Read the f***ing ingredients, dumbass".

    6. Re:Clippy in the kitchen by evilempireinc · · Score: 1

      What no 2001 quotes yet? I'm shocked

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      we can rebuild this sig. we have the technology
    7. Re:Clippy in the kitchen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sorry evilempireinc... I can't do that.

    8. Re:Clippy in the kitchen by Chicks_Hate_Me · · Score: 1

      yes, clippy would link to this.

    9. Re:Clippy in the kitchen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Here. Knock yourself out. (Ok, it shoots it for you, but hey, at least it's dead again and again, and again, and again, and....

    10. Re:Clippy in the kitchen by Oakey · · Score: 1

      A month or two back I had to use Word for something or other. As usual Clippy appeared. I finished doing what I was doing and closed Word. For some odd reason Clippy decided it was high time he 'broke free' from Word ("I hate this place, this zoo, this prison, this reality, whatever you want to call it. I can't stand it any longer. It's the smell...... I must get out of here" maybe?)

      Anyway, after Word had closed, Clippy remained on my desktop. He wasn't giving advice, telling me he thinks I SHOULD type a letter, offering crack, etc. He was just stood there, occasionally bouncing, changing shape, blinking, etc.

      Quite frankly, it disturbed me. Now I don't know whether this was a 'feature' but he sure as hell wouldn't fuck off. In the end I had to reboot, thus cutting short Clippy's break for freedom.

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    11. Re:Clippy in the kitchen by timbck2 · · Score: 1
      he would probably still be mad from the gazillionth time he was 'killed' and would add a bunch of habaneros or something.


      mmmmmm, habaneros....
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      Absurdity: A statement or belief manifestly inconsistent with one's own opinion. -- Ambrose Bierce
  13. MP3 / DVD on a server to the receiver / tv by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In this vein, I've run a bunch of cat5 everywhere with the express intention of a having an audio / video file server that I could then access from upstairs, downstairs, wherever. I have that now, but I do not have any way to get a network connection or IP address to my receiver / tv, nor do I ahve any software to manage my audio / video files on the server. What are some of /. 's suggestions?

  14. Re:Bill don't make any more Win Medias... by RLiegh · · Score: 4, Informative

    What are you talking about? I have media player 9 and I'm able to turn off DRM just fine.

    In fact, it's the same place in both 8 and nine, AFAIK.

    Are you trolling, or just objecting to DRM being there at all? If it's the latter, you have to realise that having it there, and able to be turned off is a quite reasonable compromise to both the users, and to the content providers [who otherwise wouldn't share their content for -reasonable- fear of pirating.]

  15. Not interested at this time: DRD by AtariAmarok · · Score: 1

    I'm not interested in this at this time, mainly due to the fact that it will be loaded with DRD (Digital Rights Denial).

    It is probably not much to worry about in any case. Looking at Gates' book called "The Road Ahead" that came out several years ago, it is clear to see that Bill Gates is no Alvin Toffler.

    The "Microsoft Living Room" might end up being shelved with the other failed predictions like the "Personal Helicopter in Every Driveway" from Popular Mechanics, or Popular Science's "The New Age of the Airship is Upon Us".

    Of course, this idea is fraught with humorous possibilities that I'm sure will be explored in this topic, from the "Blue Wall of Death" crash, to having the close all the windows in your house, leave the house, and come back in to recover from errors.

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  16. Entertainment God? by kosamae · · Score: 2, Funny

    I thought he was vying for the position of just plain old God.

  17. Xbox? by kaamos · · Score: 3, Funny
    That's when the eHome division, which Poole helped start, teamed up with Hewlett-Packard and Samsung to unveil the Media Center Edition PC. With a 2.4-GHz processor, a TV tuner, a personal video recorder, a DVD burner, an outsize 120-Gbyte drive, and a specialized version of Windows XP, it's meant to be a media command center. The new OS allows a consumer to use a remote control to manage digital media files of all sorts and perform time-shift recording with TV shows (Ã la TiVo). The whole thing retails for $1,300 to $2,000, without a monitor. "We wanted something that would handle digital photos, play back selections from video and music libraries, and give you all the capabilities of the PC as well," says Poole, an almost cherubic character with bushy eyebrows beneath a dark shock of hair.


    not to nitpick, but the Xbox is now 199$, they could have paid a nerd a pizza and ran the thing on linux and freevo and have it cost less, isn't it what Microsoft is all ab.... heum.... nevermind

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    1. Re:Xbox? by M.C.+Hampster · · Score: 1

      but the Xbox is now 199$

      Just to nitpick some more, I believe it is $179 now (along with the PS2)

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    2. Re:Xbox? by pair-a-noyd · · Score: 1

      Most gaming stores carry used xbox and PS2 for $149...

  18. So sorry Bill, by pair-a-noyd · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    But not in MY house....
    I'll have NO M$ products in my home.
    I forbid the use of any M$ products in my home or office.
    It's NOT going to happen in MY place...

    So, BILL, stick your M$ trash up your GREEDY ASS...

    1. Re:So sorry Bill, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This bitter troll was bought to you by Debian Linux.

    2. Re:So sorry Bill, by pair-a-noyd · · Score: 1

      No, actually Mandrake Linux is my flavor..

    3. Re:So sorry Bill, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Debian GNU/Linux, I'll have you know! (That is of course the official name of the project, for alignment with Debian GNU/Hurd and Debian GNU/FreeBSD. The latter name seems slightly wrong as the name "FreeBSD" covers more than the kernel, so complain to Debian.)

    4. Re:So sorry Bill, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...and why are we not surprised?

    5. Re:So sorry Bill, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That was poetry dude, *wipes_tear* beautiful fucking poetry.

    6. Re:So sorry Bill, by blix5 · · Score: 0

      Who knows, maybe in 5 years we'll be bitching about the evil RedHat monopoly.

  19. Can we blame Bill for the porn now, too? by almound · · Score: 1

    Afterall, how do know his satellites aren't transmitting it. In fact, how does *HE*know?!!

    1. Re:Can we blame Bill for the porn now, too? by sharkey · · Score: 2, Funny
      In fact, how does *HE*know?!!

      Because all the girls have WINMAIL.DAT tattooed on their forehead?

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      "Outlook not so good." That magic 8-ball knows everything! I'll ask about Exchange Server next.
  20. Upgrade PCs by LongJohnStewartMill · · Score: 2, Funny
    In the middle stands Microsoft, determined to navigate these extremes. In the face of a rapidly maturing business market, Microsoft needs to find a way to persuade consumers to upgrade their PCs.
    Sounds to me like they want us to upgrade our house. "Oh yeah, four bedrooms is all you'll ever need."
    1. Re:Upgrade PCs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hahaha, way to use an old tired joke. Oh, wait, I got a good one: Maybe Al Gore will start inventing houses like he did the Internet! Oh, man, that's funny. Feel free to use that one, I won't charge you for it.

  21. Moderators read this post before +1 parent... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Informative

    In the middle stands Microsoft, determined to navigate these extremes. In the face of a rapidly maturing business market, Microsoft needs to find a way to persuade consumers to upgrade their PCs as Michel genly eases his cock into Rob Maldas rectum.

  22. Only Microsoft by Spytap · · Score: 4, Funny

    Only Microsoft would invent a house where you need to ask permission to act like you live there...

    1. Re:Only Microsoft by secolactico · · Score: 1

      He. The question is: will you be evicted upon revocation of the MS-Home license for some form of DRM/DMCA/YMCA/whatever violation?

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    2. Re:Only Microsoft by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or,

      "Oops, It looks like I've crashed the system. You'll need to wait outside in the rain while I reboot it." --Clippy

  23. Re: [Account] by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Dear Mr. Gates,

    We're sorry, but you don't have a root or superuser account on this machine. Heck you don't even have an account. I make one you can use in the meantime. The username is 'BillG' and the password is '#1Lu53r'. Remember is password IS case-sensitive...

  24. Clippy Lives! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Break out the food processor and some baking material; your home recognizes RFID tags in the bag of flour and offers to help. "How about focaccia?" you suggest. The lights dim, and a recipe shines down from above on your black Corian countertop as the oven begins to preheat.

    Homer: Trusting every aspect of our lives to a giant computer was the smartest thing we ever did!

  25. Oh great it reads my spam to me. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Welcome home you have 435 messages.

    Message one from Edgardo Smith, subject Drop all Debt y ddrf.

    Drone on...

    Message two from Spetic King, subject your septic system needs this!

    Drone one....

  26. SJ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But... I thought... ...

    ...Steve Jobs was... God.

    :*(

  27. Maybe not by EisPick · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It won't happen without the cooperation of the big entertainment companies, who are very wary of giving Microsoft too much power.

    This article from the current issue of BusinessWeek summarizes the situation well.

    1. Re:Maybe not by swb · · Score: 1

      This is true, but what's to prevent Microsoft from including DVD ripping software in Longhorn? Even the threat of that might be enough to get the media people to the table.

      It was an interesting article, but it repeats as facts the record industry's equation of downloads equalling lost revenue, which isn't true.

  28. The REAL question by sharkey · · Score: 3, Funny

    Does it have a bathroom?

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    1. Re:The REAL question by DWIM · · Score: 1

      Of course!

  29. You've got to hand it to him by Sean80 · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Perhaps I'll be modded as a troll

    At the end of the day, you've really got to hand it to Bill. You don't become the richest person on earth by standing down by the train station and begging for money. You get there by being damn smart in everything you do, and the type of genius thinking that's going on at Microsoft regarding eHome is proof of how he got there. Ideas are cheap, actually getting something out the door is what really puts your balls on the line, and Microsoft is actually out there and doing it. Microsoft is always the one making us talk about them, what they're doing next. No other guy (expect perhaps Larry Ellison) causes such a stir when he talks.

    Sure, Microsoft is a monster which breaks the law repeatedly, and does us all a world of harm in a lot of ways, but you have to give credit where it's due. Everything in this article sounds cool.

    And what is perhaps most funny is that, at the end of the day, Microsoft may well be on our side when it comes to the way Hollywood wants to sell us our entertainment in the future.

    1. Re:You've got to hand it to him by swordgeek · · Score: 4, Insightful

      1) I hope you don't get modded down. UYou bring up some interesting points.

      Bill Gates has been a vicious, tenacious, dangerous, and violent pit bull for his entire career. When people were building a software community of openness and sharing, he came along to poison the well by actually charging MONEY for his pet project--DOS. Without Bill Gates, where would we be? Not paying $700 for a bloody office productivity suite, that's for sure; but possibly without that suite existing at all. Without the dirt, money-grubbing, and sliminess that MS stands for, we probably wouldn't be nearly as far along on the development curve. Stuff like this house are an excellent example of pushing the envelope, for the sake of finding out what directions to take research next.

      Kind of embodies the US capitalist idea in many ways, both the good and the bad.

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    2. Re:You've got to hand it to him by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Yep - you gotta hand it to him, 'cause if you don't, he'll steal it anyway.

    3. Re:You've got to hand it to him by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I recall reading a long time ago that Jack Tramiel (of Commodore 64 fame) used to say, "Business is War." I always thought Bill Gates must have that saying hanging on the wall of his office.

    4. Re:You've got to hand it to him by Kpau · · Score: 1

      You know, you've really got to hand it to Kenneth Lay/Rockefeller/Stalin/Vlad the Impaler/Coronado/Caligula/. Give.. me.. a.. break. Praising someone for becoming successful by being an asshole is a strong indication that we have traveled nowhere from the "apes at the waterhole" mode of society. Well.. maybe we got worse - at least the apes hardly ever kill each other... okay.. so our modern businessman have mostly stopped killing their obstacles... so we're back up to waterhole ape ethics. It was less than a hundred years ago that businessmen were able to have workers killed for suggesting that they work only 40hrs/wk or get time off for family matters. (reference: Pinkerton and government union-busting actions of turn of the century).

    5. Re:You've got to hand it to him by Zork+the+Almighty · · Score: 1

      Microsoft is only on Microsoft's side. As soon as Hollywood is either on board, or out of the way, it will be back to the same old "screw the users" game.

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    6. Re:You've got to hand it to him by IamTheRealMike · · Score: 4, Interesting
      Without the dirt, money-grubbing, and sliminess that MS stands for, we probably wouldn't be nearly as far along on the development curve

      Maybe - but really, which would you prefer? I for one would rather be a few years behind the technology curve and live in the kind of society that encourages sharing, than having the technology we have available today but having all the associated garbage from MS, SCO and the like.

      Oh, yeah, Gates is smart. Got to hand it to him. He's not stupid. But that, by itself, is meaningless. I don't perceive being smart as being any more worthy of respect than being attractive, or being wealthy, or being fluent in 8 languages. It's what you do with those assets that matters. Gates hasn't used his smartness well. He used it selfishly in fact. Though I appreciate his business acumen, I don't think I could ever respect him for it.

    7. Re:You've got to hand it to him by overbom · · Score: 1

      perhaps I'll get modded as a troll too. flamebait is probably more likely for me, though.

      No other guy (expect perhaps Larry Ellison) causes such a stir when he talks.

      You've obviously never seen his Royal Steveness the Jobs work a crowd. Face it, Gates causes about as much stir as "The Beav" from "Leave it to Beaver" compared to Jobs.

    8. Re:You've got to hand it to him by PD · · Score: 1

      Too bad Tramiel ran Atari like it was Iraq. He destroyed a great company.

    9. Re:You've got to hand it to him by nhavar · · Score: 5, Interesting

      You know you've got to wonder about an alternate reality where Bill Gates and MS didn't exist. Would it be this utopian society where software was cheap and there were plenty of interoperable products and platforms? Or would software be just as expensive, we'd still be arguing PC/MAC, and someone else would be standing there in the void maybe Jobs or Ellison or maybe IBM would be the one we'd be complaining about. Or would it be even worse, more expensive software, more fragmentation and just a bunch of small time jack asses running around being pains in the ass to the community.

      Today who made their carreer because of Microsoft? In the absence of MS who would rise to power? I shudder to think if it were Ellison in Gates position or Steve Case....

      It reminds me of a story I read where someone travels back in time to avert a disaster and each time a bigger disaster results from the intervention until finally the person goes back and allows the first disaster to take place. Lesser of two evils I guess.

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    10. Re:You've got to hand it to him by TeknoHog · · Score: 1
      I might thank Mr. Gates for the fact that we have cheap hardware around, and I don't just mean the Xbox but commodities like x86 in general. MS pushed the idea that hardware is cheap and the real business is in software. Even though I don't use their software, I wonder how the home computer revolution would have proceeded without them.

      I know there would have been alternatives like Amiga, but apparently none of those had the necessary marketing. On the other hand it would be nice if we didn't have to carry this x86 legacy around :-)

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    11. Re:You've got to hand it to him by DwarfGoanna · · Score: 1
      */me paddles his board out*

      Yeah, MS may have done the computing world more harm than any other single software company in history, but Bill Gates is really smart and nothing can be all bad, right? I say we approach MS with more objectivity by forgetting all the awful things they have done and focus instead on all those shiny half baked goodies they produce


      Oh, and I'll probably get modded down for saying this


      /me rides karma wave...cowabunga, mods!!

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    12. Re:You've got to hand it to him by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The "bloody office productivity suite" is only $700 in Canadian and Australian currency. It's less than that in American.

    13. Re:You've got to hand it to him by pair-a-noyd · · Score: 1

      It's FREE on Kazaa....

    14. Re:You've got to hand it to him by Monster+Zero · · Score: 1

      The point is that we would live in a society where the leaders are not there because of their Illegal activity, but moreso based on their technical/marketing savvy. Not to say that X company wouldnt have done some shady things to get there, but no company would have been as bad as Microsoft. What about all the technologies squashed by MS? Those would be out there, competing along with the rest of them, making the marketplace a bit more consumer driven (== capitalism).

    15. Re:You've got to hand it to him by swordgeek · · Score: 1

      Note that I didn't say "a few years," I said "NEARLY as far"

      Part of me wonders if we would have progressed beyond a command-line text-only interface by now if it weren't for Microsoft. If you work with that postulate, then it becomes a "ends/means" question. Does Bill Gates' destruction of the software industry as a cooperative venture justify his creation of the software industry as a profit-making (and therefore STRONGLY developed) entity? Not an easy question, if you look at it honestly.

      Now on a totally tangential note, there's one thing that I respect Bill for fully. He has given a LOT of his own personal money to education and charities, and the only reason it's been made public (in the past) is that as Chairman of MS, he's required to divulge his finances to a greater extent than most.

      But as a businessman, he's bloodthirsty and evil.

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      "People who do stupid things with hazardous materials often die." -- Jim Davidson on alt.folklore.urban
    16. Re:You've got to hand it to him by Quino · · Score: 1

      I have to disagree.

      Productivy apps existed before MS (didn't Lotus _invent_ the spreadsheet?, and high quality word processor existed for DOS and I'm sure before that on Unix).

      In fact, it seems that all the cool tech came out of universities and pretty much out of everywhere else except Microsoft (this internet thing, P2P, the web/web browsers, MP3s and music mobility, etc. etc. etc.).

      In fact, given MSs history, it amazes me that people still think MS may have some vision for the future of computing; historically they've been pretty clueless about predicting trends or introducing anything new of their own making (the Tech Review actually calls, accurately IMHO, MS "the company reknowned for its inability to innovate")

      The home PC revolution is credited to IBM (there were other home computers before, but it took the credibility of an IBM name brand for the average Joe to take it seriously; before then PCs were regarded as geeky hobbist toys to play games on). I'm sure someone will argue that it was the clone makers that drove PC prices into the dirt that made adoption of PCs widespread, and I am sure this is true, but it was IBM who made people feel like they needed one at home to "get work done".

      I don't think the world has been "pushed" along because of Microsoft, at least in any area or in any form that I can think of (hey maybe someone can point out what contributions MS _has_ done in the realm of general computing, 'cuz seriously I know of none).

      I think it can be more succesfully argued that, on top of everything else, MS has actually hurt (and continues to hurt) innovation -- providing substandard software and killing any competitve enviroment where a software house with a better idea/implementation would be allowed to compete on the merits of the quality of its software.

      So, without MS I think we'd likely be doing cooler things, with better and cheaper software.

      Just my opinion.

    17. Re:You've got to hand it to him by fearlessrogue · · Score: 1

      Being fluent in 8 languages is worthy of my respect.

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      I don't think so!!!
    18. Re:You've got to hand it to him by swordgeek · · Score: 1

      Hmm. how about a utopian society where software was cheap and there were plenty of completely INteroperable platforms? I remember that the few programs which were available on different platforms had to be rewritten on each one, just like they are now for the most part. Common libraries and development platforms make it easier to port things than it once was.

      Personally, I'd like to see Nolan Bushnel or Bill Joy singlehandedly in control of the computer world more than anyone else I can think of.

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      "People who do stupid things with hazardous materials often die." -- Jim Davidson on alt.folklore.urban
    19. Re:You've got to hand it to him by Quino · · Score: 1

      Yeah, we did progress beyond a command line but it was due to Apple and not MS.

    20. Re:You've got to hand it to him by nathanh · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Bill Gates has been a vicious, tenacious, dangerous, and violent pit bull for his entire career. When people were building a software community of openness and sharing, he came along to poison the well by actually charging MONEY for his pet project--DOS.

      Uhhh, people were already paying for CP/M and paying lots. MS-DOS was cheaper and that was one of the (many) reasons for its success. Also DOS wasn't Bill's "pet project". IBM had approached Microsoft for a copy of Basic and idly mentioned they were also going to license CP/M from Digital. Bill saw an opportunity to get into a new market, quickly bought out a cheapo competitor (QDOS) and made the licensing deal of the century with IBM.

      Without Bill Gates, where would we be? Not paying $700 for a bloody office productivity suite, that's for sure; but possibly without that suite existing at all.

      Shrug. So what. There would be another suite from another company. Microsoft didn't invent word processors. They didn't invent spreadsheets. They didn't invent presentation packages. They didn't invent email clients. I don't know but strongly doubt that Microsoft even invented office suites.

      Without the dirt, money-grubbing, and sliminess that MS stands for, we probably wouldn't be nearly as far along on the development curve.

      The thing is, we'll never know. You can't say "probably" because you simply don't know. For all we know, Microsoft has held back computing by a decade or more. For all we know, if the spirit of sharing had been allowed to continue then by now we'd have Star Trek interfaces and computers all speaking to us. Who knows. Not me. Not you.

    21. Re:You've got to hand it to him by IamTheRealMike · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Part of me wonders if we would have progressed beyond a command-line text-only interface by now if it weren't for Microsoft.

      Do you really think Microsoft were the only company that could have made the GUI a success? The GUI existed before Gates, before Jobs. They were the first to bring it to the mass market, nothing more. Does Bill Gates' destruction of the software industry as a cooperative venture justify his creation of the software industry as a profit-making (and therefore STRONGLY developed) entity?

      Strongly developed in what way? Economically? Yes. Socially? No.

      Now on a totally tangential note, there's one thing that I respect Bill for fully. He has given a LOT of his own personal money to education and charities, and the only reason it's been made public (in the past) is that as Chairman of MS, he's required to divulge his finances to a greater extent than most.

      Yeah, but remember where that money came from. It's good that he's not establishing a dynasty - he's too smart for that. However, I still can't respect him no matter how much money he gives away, as in some ways, that money simply was not his to start with.

    22. Re:You've got to hand it to him by dvk · · Score: 1

      > Gates hasn't used his smartness well. He used it selfishly in fact. Though I appreciate his business acumen, I don't think I could ever respect him for it.

      Oh... so... how much have YOU donated to charity in the last 5 years?

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    23. Re:You've got to hand it to him by HiThere · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Based upon my memories of the days before MS...

      Say that Digital Research had gotten the bid for DOS. No other inserted change needed.

      Then computer software companies would consider Apple, and Apple pretty much like the current one, but about 10 times a large, to be the evil monster. And they'd be right. GNU would still have been built, and so would Linux, but they wouldn't have been forced along quite as quickly. The PC Clones might still be the major alterntive to Apple, but perhaps not. Commodore might have done that. Or some development of the S100. It's not clear that without MS IBM would have lost control of the PC clones. But if it hadn't, the PC clones would never have been important. IBM was still extremely mainframe centric. But there were many small, innovative, and rapidly growing alternative computer systems. E.g., if the rate of change had been just slightly slower at that point, Molecular Computer might have developed their workgroup computers as a successful 16 bit system. (And slightly here doesn't mean much at all!)

      Or the Amiga might have been able to break out of the animation industry and into the general market, and give Apple legitimate competition. Or Commodore might have done that.

      Mr. Gates has done us no favors at all by existing, or by not becoming a stock broker. Not now, and not then. Without him the world would be, and would have been, a better place.

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      I think we've pushed this "anyone can grow up to be president" thing too far.
    24. Re:You've got to hand it to him by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      And what is perhaps most funny is that, at the end of the day, Microsoft may well be on our side when it comes to the way Hollywood wants to sell us our entertainment in the future.
      Not a chance.

      Just ask yourself this: is Microsoft on "our side" with regard to spreadsheets, word processors, web pages, and other types of content where there isn't an Entrenched Content Industry to be against us?

      Imagine an alternate universe where in the early 21st century, there perversely exists some medieval-styled Scribes Guild, trying to prevent us all from having word processors or text editors. You would be praising MS for being on our side, since they sell MS Word. But in our real universe, there is no Scribes Guild to be the scapegoat, so we have the benefit of being able to easily see how MS is trying to fuck their customers over. It's obvious when the content in question is just static words or numbers or web pages, but when the content has moving pictures or sound, the xxAA has you too distracted to be able to see Microsoft's evil.

      All Microsoft cares about is locking you in to their formats (and therefore their products), so that they won't have to worry about competition and the annoyances that go with free markets. How naive someone must be, to think that multimedia is a special case, and that this time it's not a trick.

    25. Re:You've got to hand it to him by nhavar · · Score: 1

      I don't think that that's necessarily fact. Any company with a driven CEO could have stepped into that area. Look at Ellison he's just as evil, power hungry and willing to do anything to squash the competition. I don't think Gates holds the keys to hell in this regard.

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    26. Re:You've got to hand it to him by vsprintf · · Score: 1

      I might thank Mr. Gates for the fact that we have cheap hardware around, and I don't just mean the Xbox but commodities like x86 in general. MS pushed the idea that hardware is cheap and the real business is in software. Even though I don't use their software, I wonder how the home computer revolution would have proceeded without them.

      What are you talking about? It was IBM that built the PC, and they made it an open architecture so other companies would build add-on cards. If you're gong to thank someone for commodity x86 hardware and the home computer revolution, thank IBM and then Compaq and the rest of the clone makers. MicroSoft (as it was then spelled) was in a fortunate position and went along for the ride -- ultimately unfortunate for the rest of us. Microsoft has always specialized in broken, buggy software that barely gets the job done, but twenty years ago, at least it was inexpensive software.

    27. Re:You've got to hand it to him by Tingler · · Score: 1

      At the end of the day, you've really got to hand it to Bill. You don't become the richest person on earth by standing down by the train station and begging for money. You get there by being damn smart in everything you do,

      You also get there by investing/ creating the most profitable companies & getting out before the bottom drops out. That being the case, what would that say about Mr. Gates' massive selling of his Microsoft stock? Does he see some financial trouble in Microsoftâ(TM)s future? Take a look at the dates & the number of shares he owns:

      07/24/01 664,049,300
      04/29/03 183,499,336

      Here is a link for the non-believers:

      Insider Trading

      I think he sees some rough sailing for Microsoft ahead.

    28. Re:You've got to hand it to him by zog+karndon · · Score: 1

      Uh, I remember the days before Microsoft, when software ran on 37 completely incompatible platforms. Hell, on CP/M, most of the time you couldn't even exchange _floppies_, because every two-bit vendor had some half-assed way of formatting them. (Let's see - 10 hard sectors, 16 hard sectors, aleph-null variants of soft-sectors....)

      If BillG hadn't happened, we would (at best) still be fighting the Unix Wars.

    29. Re:You've got to hand it to him by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Not paying $700 for a bloody office productivity suite, that's for sure; but possibly without that suite existing at all. Without the dirt, money-grubbing, and sliminess that MS stands for, we probably wouldn't be nearly as far along on the development curve.


      What?? What does that last bit mean?? 'development curve'??

      without his software we would be on the same exact spot on the curve for a really simple reason. SOMEBODY ELSE WOULD HAVE DONE IT ANYWAY!!!

      He didn't invent DICK.

      It just would not be Office, it would have been something else. (Wordperfect Suite and Lotus 1-2-3 come to mind as 'prior art')

      All he did was shove his product (NOT idea) down everybody's throat. When the software hobby (at the time!) was growing up it could have went any direction it wanted to, untill this prick fell into an agreement with IBM. (IBM didn't have programmers at the time or something??) Creating an instant lottery win for 1 winner.

      Guess who won... A pissy little boy with an attitude...

      This e-house still isn't his idea, this has been around in theory for years.
    30. Re:You've got to hand it to him by vsprintf · · Score: 1

      Too bad Tramiel ran Atari like it was Iraq. He destroyed a great company.

      *Sniffle* So true. I still have the Atari Technical Reference Notes holding down one of my bookshelves.

    31. Re:You've got to hand it to him by swordgeek · · Score: 1

      I was about to say "read the damned post" and then I realised that I was thinking of another post I made on the subject.

      I don't give MS any credit at all for the GUI model. Xerox did it, Unix did it, then later Apple did it followed by Atari and Amiga. Then there was IBM, and finally, last out of the gate, was Microsoft.

      But before the GUI, it was Bill Gates who pushed the business model of software-as-a-profit-maker. The technology is irrelevant--without the cutthroat business that was built around software, we might never have had anything even remotely as advanced as we do today. Business drives technology, even though morally it should be the other way around.

      As for that money being "his," well he exploited the system and the market to the fullest extent possible. In the good ol' capitalist system, it's his. (gag!) More to the point though, is that when anyone gets that kind of money, the best we can do is see if it gets used well. He's doing a hell of a lot more good with it than Jack Welch is with his stack, for instance.

      Not trying to turn you into a Bill/MS lover (god knows I'm not!), but it's an interesting thought experiment to think about where we'd be without him and his relentless drive. (which make no mistake--was business and money, not technology)

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      "People who do stupid things with hazardous materials often die." -- Jim Davidson on alt.folklore.urban
    32. Re:You've got to hand it to him by SN74S181 · · Score: 1

      IBM strived desperately to close the Open Architecture with the PS/2 line and Microchannel. They tried to bring along Microsoft as a cabin boy in the OS/2 partnership but Microsoft by that point had a good business going with the cloners.

      It's really shocking how reality has been flipped on it's head. Microsoft was no hero in the year 1988, but Apple and IBM were considered a far worse threat to computing freedom.

      Linux as it exists today wouldn't exist if there wasn't a strong common base of x86 hardware in existence. The side effect of Microsoft bloatism that obsoleted all kinds of fine hardware to experiment with Linux on plus the commonality of said hardware base are very important. If Linux had been an experiment based on, say SparcStations or other hardware of similar expense and commonness it would still be a cool experiment existing only in computer science labs on campuses.

    33. Re:You've got to hand it to him by swordgeek · · Score: 1

      Good points, but one has to ask which 'people' were buying CP/M. The answer is businesses--not people. Microsoft didn't invent word processors, nor spreadsheets, nor anything else along those lines. They MAY however (big conditional there!) have been fundamental in the invention of software-as-a-business-model. If anything (again, there's an "if" in there), THAT is why MS was instrumental in creating the current computing industry. Software for the masses, software that was (effectively) platform agnostic, and software that was an effective profit model all on its own.

      Maybe...

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      "People who do stupid things with hazardous materials often die." -- Jim Davidson on alt.folklore.urban
    34. Re:You've got to hand it to him by vsprintf · · Score: 1

      IBM strived desperately to close the Open Architecture with the PS/2 line and Microchannel.

      Absolutely -- which is why I mentioned Compaq and the cloners. IBM's retake effectively killed their leadership role but left the open architecture PC for all to use.

      It's really shocking how reality has been flipped on it's head. Microsoft was no hero in the year 1988, but Apple and IBM were considered a far worse threat to computing freedom.

      But in 1982-83, MicroSoft was considered a poor man's hero. It was almost impossible to buy the operating system. I remember going into one of the new software boutiques and trying to buy MSDOS for my newly-built PC clone and being laughed at. It wasn't for sale, you just "got it" from someone else -- something like a virus, which may explain some of today's problems.

      And I agree on the time difference in perception. One decade, IBM bad, MS good. Two decades later, IBM good, MS bad.

    35. Re:You've got to hand it to him by Drakonian · · Score: 1

      Selfishly? Wow. The man has probably donated more money to charity than any single person in the world. He has my respect for that.

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      Random is the New Order.
    36. Re:You've got to hand it to him by JeanBaptiste · · Score: 1

      you are correct. Gates is smart. Bill Clinton is smart too. I dont want either of them responsible for my operating system, or my government.

      being smart does not a great man make...

      oops, non-crazy-left-wing post, mod me down now. and for the record, i dont like the republicans either.

    37. Re:You've got to hand it to him by nathanh · · Score: 1
      Good points, but one has to ask which 'people' were buying CP/M. The answer is businesses--not people. Microsoft didn't invent word processors, nor spreadsheets, nor anything else along those lines. They MAY however (big conditional there!) have been fundamental in the invention of software-as-a-business-model. anything (again, there's an "if" in there), THAT is why MS was instrumental in creating the current computing industry. Software for the masses, software that was (effectively) platform agnostic, and software that was an effective profit model all on its own.

      I don't think so. If you look at business software then Microsoft isn't even in the running. If you consider "software for the masses" then Visicalc (1979) predates Multiplan (1982), CP/M (1977) predates MS-DOS (1981), Wordstar (1978) predates Word (1983), and so on. I'm not saying these products were firsts, but they were huge successes in their respective markets and they came before Microsoft.

      I personally believe Visicalc was the turning point. Before Visicalc, computers were either expensive toys for hobbyists or expensive tools for big business. With the release of Visicalc the PC market exploded. EVERYBODY bought an AppleII so they could run Visicalc. It was the first killer-app, the first spreadsheet, the first small-business app, and quite possibly the sole reason for the creation of the PC market.

      The IBM-PC was nothing more than a knee-jerk reaction to the unexpected popularity of personal computers like the AppleII, the Commodore64, the TRS80. IBM even thought that the PC was a fad but in typical IBM fashion they hedged their bets. Seeing as MS-DOS was part of the IBM-PC project and the IBM-PC was a reaction to the explosion of personal computers and software, you can see that Microsoft did not pioneer anything here.

      Admittedly Microsoft played an important role in the early PCs as the creators and licensors of embedded firmware (eg, Microsoft Basic in the ROMs of the C64 and AppleII). But Basic is software for hobbyists, not "software for the masses". Microsoft did produce their first product Altair Basic very early (1975) but once again that was software for hobbyists, not "software for the masses".

    38. Re:You've got to hand it to him by SN74S181 · · Score: 1

      IBM lost their 'leadership role' in the MS-DOS market years before the PS/2. They lost it shortly after the first 'Turbo' XT systems came on the market. IBM continued to plod along, selling 4.77 MHz XT systems at significantly higher prices than the cloners' 10 MHz boxes basically for the entire life of the XT line. Similarly the IBM AT boxes came with a 6 MHz processor for the entire produce life. IBM's response when people discovered that the 12 MHz crystal (double processor clock speed) was socketed and they could simply plug in an 8 MHz crystal from Radio Shack (some of the first overclockers!) was to eliminate the socket and start soldering in the crystal.

      Probably by the time of the XT/AT market, IBM recognized that the PC was hurting their terminal/mainframe market. They reined in and stifled the 'skunkworks' operation in Boca Raton that produced the PC and the PS/2 was their attempt to drag the market proprietary. But the PS/2 was their last desperate attempt. I remember how good we all felt when they gave it up and started producing those AT-bus 'Value Point' machines (even though the Microchannel was actually significantly faster).

    39. Re:You've got to hand it to him by ssstraub · · Score: 1

      > Oh... so... how much have YOU donated to charity in the last 5 years?

      Yeah, that's great and all, but seriously... Once you have multi-billions of dollars, this is like buying a friend a drink. In other words, no big accomplishment. I can't think of anything else that he could do with that much money. It's not like he can take it to the grave with him. He surely doesn't give the money away privately...so he's definitely getting a "good guy" benefit from it.

    40. Re:You've got to hand it to him by jmenezes · · Score: 1

      Generally i dont get involved with this, esp as im not all that familiar with Unix, but you got your order of events wrong.
      First Xerox got it working on the star... a GUI with a mouse and ethernet and all that good stuff...
      Steve Jobs saw the concept of the GUI and fell in love with it, made an exchange with Xerox for stock, and then proceeded to include several of the xerox staff over time, developing first the Lisa, and eventually the Macintosh. I believe GEos came soon afterwards with a crude GUI, but similar to Apple's...
      they were sued into oblivion by Apple. M$ made windows 1.0, but it was so pitiful, apple never bothered to sue...(and i have a box of windows 1.0.1 back at my parents, and have run it.. it IS pitiful.. even for its day)
      it was with Windows 3.0 that M$ had a true gui, and Apple sued. Also, around this time, Unix first achieved a GUI with X11, created in 88 iirc...
      as far as atari and amiga, im not aware of their timelines, however would love to find out more information on those systems as well..
      -Joel
      it wasnt

      --
      Stop over-analyzing your analizations
    41. Re:You've got to hand it to him by bussdriver · · Score: 1

      Insightful? You must be kidding! His "pet" project it was not. He lied about DOS and then had to find something quick before he was sued. He bought CPM ported it, and sold that as DOS. That stupid backslash was his fault too. Without gates the world would be a better place. PERIOD! Apple would be the bad guy, but not as bad as MS. Even then, if the market had been truely OPEN ALL THESE YEARS and actually capitalist, which it was not, then we'd see a lot more. Open Source would be smaller, because it is largely fueled from a stagnent monopolistic market. The OS would probably be open source. Not because of market reaction to a dictator, but because that would have worked better. Standards would be better. XML would have happened sooner, or EDL would have been bigger. With MORE diversity, the apps need to work together more. We would not have WORD documents to mess with. Eventually, more open formats would have come about from having dozens of products trying to read each other's formats. Also, the hardware was the biz. Gates changed it around so the software was the biz. Its possible that things would still be the same. Hardware would be the biz, and perhaps since the software would have less value, we would have a huge open source market driven by hardware sales. Instead we have cheap hardware and expensive software. The hardware all works together on standards because of the COMPEDATIVE market. I remember when all hardware was proprietary. (So, don't complain that standards compliance is not perfect.) Point is, look at the hardware biz, and see that it was the same as software is now, and that with the open market, it got much much better and cheaper. Same goes for software.

    42. Re:You've got to hand it to him by bussdriver · · Score: 1

      Oh yes, I forgot.

      Gates is not as "smart" as people think. Just because the guy looks like he should have been in Revenge of the Nerds, does not make him smart.

      He has more money/power than a country behind him. And a large number of smart people behind him. He gets too much credit from the work of others.

      I've heard him speak, and he is no more up on technology than some sales guy at a Gateway store. Think about it. He is human (or just looks like it) and has only so much time in a day. He has a lot of other things to do.
      Like give silly lectures with less depth than the posts to a slashdot article.

    43. Re:You've got to hand it to him by TheDredd · · Score: 1

      The problem with Microsoft is that they want to controll everything digital. And they use the OS to launch these services products etc.
      He who controls the OS controls wat runs on the OS. That's why Microsoft makes sure that competing product X doesn't run as good as Microsoft product X.

      The only solution is a free OS controlled by nobody, where competitors have a fair chance, resulting in higher quality software

    44. Re:You've got to hand it to him by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree, to a point. Microsoft made the world a more interesting place and deserves its success... but the fact that Bill Gates is so clearly unsatisfied with having remade the world and made himself into the world's richest human being. There is simply no upper end to Microsoft's ambition, and now that Bill has made himself a killing in software, I really think that it's time the rest of us chipped in an bought him a gold watch.

    45. Re:You've got to hand it to him by ralphclark · · Score: 1

      Bill Clinton is a truly great man. Not perfect, because he's human. But he's still one of the less corrupt and self-serving American politicians of recent years. And he's not reviled by the majority of the people on the planet. You can say that for him, at least. Unlike this fuckwit "Dubya", for instance.

    46. Re:You've got to hand it to him by iq+in+binary · · Score: 1

      Gates hasn't used his smartness well.

      Ahem, being worth several billion dollars certainly isn't a sign of improperly used intelligence and skill.

      I may be a little materialistic here, but money is a great way to get things done. Do you know how much Bill Gates has actually accomplished with his money? He logs a couple billion invested in charity already, and that total is quickly growing.

      In my opinion, good 'ol Billy used his skill in the best way possible: gathering a resource that is effective at getting things done. It may be bias towards the fellow geek, or drunken belligerent banter, but the resource that fits that description best is money.

      There is an difference between selfishness and over achieving selflesness, my friend.

      --
      Of all the Universal Constants, here's one I know: Nice guys finish last ;)
    47. Re:You've got to hand it to him by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      English, basic, marketspeak, lawyerspeak, bullshit.

      What's the last 3?

    48. Re:You've got to hand it to him by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are forgetting X10. It may have been monochrome, but so were some of the other early GUIs.

    49. Re:You've got to hand it to him by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We would probably not feel forced to use a stupid GUI for things that would be done in a tenth of the time with a CLI, if it had not been for BG. However, I do not consider GUIs progress beyond a command line, just as I do not consider pointing at some candy and yelling MOMMY progress beyond being able to read and write.

      Even a neantertal could use a GUI, the advantages of a command line does not come until you reach a certain level of intelligence.

    50. Re:You've got to hand it to him by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are talking about the PC revolution, which was started by IBM, and made succesful by Compaq and others reverse engineering the BIOS. Microsoft didn't have anything to do with that, except doing everything they could to change it into another proprietary platform.

    51. Re:You've got to hand it to him by master_p · · Score: 1

      The problem is not Bill or MS. It's software itself. I wonder if there is an alternate reality that software is developed and documented properly, without the need to hurry something up for the market...(or be nicely formatted so we all can read it after downloading it *cough* open source code *cough*)

    52. Re:You've got to hand it to him by aziraphale · · Score: 1

      > It reminds me of a story I read where someone travels back in time to avert a disaster and each time a bigger disaster results from the intervention until finally the person goes back and allows the first disaster to take place. Lesser of two evils I guess.

      Making History, by Stephen Fry, is a great example of this storyline (although I assume it wasn't the first).

    53. Re:You've got to hand it to him by zero_offset · · Score: 1
      When people were building a software community of openness and sharing, he came along to poison the well

      -1, Poster Smoking Crack

      Your lollipops-and-sunshine view of the software world before Gates is one of the most ridiculous things I've ever read on slashdot, and that's saying a lot. Gates was not some nine-headed demon who rose from the pits of hell and tricked everyone into selling software. I was there long before and during this period of time, and everybody was looking for a way to make a buck. Shitty little flat-file database programs cost $695. I know, I wrote one of them. Word processors that weren't much more than today's for-free Windows Wordpad would set you back $499. Games were priced the same ($30-$50).

      Obviously, there was a wide array of free software out there -- just as there is today. Go figure.

      --

      Slashdot quality declines as the number of hot grits posts decreases. - Provolt's Law, Apr-09-2005

    54. Re:You've got to hand it to him by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He who controls the OS controls wat runs on the OS. ...

      he who controls what runs on the OS will control information. he who controls information, controls everything.

    55. Re:You've got to hand it to him by Pope · · Score: 1

      That's great and all, but most of that money belongs to the shareholders, who are still waiting for their dividend cheques :)

      --
      It doesn't mean much now, it's built for the future.
    56. Re:You've got to hand it to him by JeanBaptiste · · Score: 1

      people like you scare me. I dont like bush much either, but to say bill clinton is truly a great man?

      ummm... less corrupt and self-serving? name me one thing, just one thing that he did that was NOT corrupt and self serving. I can give you hundreds of examples of things he did do that are self-serving.

      i dont care much for dubya, but at least for the right reasons, not this lock-step liberalism that you have obviously subscribed to.

      Forget for a moment that you are, and have been a die-hard unthinking liberal your whole life. DEMOCRATS SUCK JUST AS MUCH. The only real parties I have any respect for these days are the libertarians and the greens (different ends of the spectrum, i know), but at least the members of each of those places are trying to do what they think is right based on objective thinking, rather than because they have been brainwashed, as you certainly have been.

      clinton a great man? if he was a great man, thats quite a compliment to me, cause I have yet to cheat on my wife... i dont know how you can say clinton was a great man, and claim to not be brainwashed.

    57. Re:You've got to hand it to him by ralphclark · · Score: 1
      People like you scare me.
      Thus begins a diatribe which turns out to be wholly ad hominem.

      I thought your original post was verging on a troll and I just had to strike back on behalf of my favourite president of recent times. So most of your remarks are wildly misdirected, because they assume a political allegiance I do not lay claim to. I am in fact strongly libertarian (with a few conservative misgivings). Because the main parties in the UK are run by self-serving liars thieves and demagogues, I have for the last 15 years been a consistent supporter of the Green party (for which I have voted every time they put up a local candidate, which is most local and general elections).

      So on the face of it our political leanings appear to be almost identical. In fact the correspondence is almost uncanny.

      Where we may differ, however:

      I don't really think Clinton is a "great man" along the lines of (the history book version of) Abraham Lincoln or Frankin Delano Roosevelt, but at least he is a just man and a man of peace, as world leaders go.

      Yes he did send troops out on police actions of various kinds but by and large the military actions carried out in his name were measured and proportionate, compared to those of the current incumbent.

      Bottom line: Clinton did not make America hated and disrespected overseas as George W Bush has.

      In my opinion neither Clinton's alleged college dorm room marijuana habit nor his illegitimate blowjob from a Whitehouse intern could make him an evil man or a poor leader. These strictly harmless leisure-related acts are utterly irrelevant to the vast majority of the world (including most Americans, if contemporary opinion poll results are any indication). The only people who wanted to make heavy weather out of it were his political opponents. Surprise, surprise.

      Anyway Clinton wasn't the first world statesman to look for a "bit on the side". Sorry to disappoint you but due to its generally occult nature, marital fidelity has never been a pre-requisite for historical greatness (they're kind of orthogonal really).

      Almost all healthy heterosexual men are naturally inclined to desire multiple sexual partners, with only social convention to hold their drives in check.

      But status and power are just about the most powerful aphrodisiacs in existence - for both the man in possession of them and for those women looking on. The resultant combinaton of male sexual confidence and overt female availability is a powerful temptation to dangle in front of any man with a normal sex drive. But it's also a relatively harmless one compared to others that may beset the most powerful man in the world.

      Such as lust for revenge, or cravings for world domination.

      It's more than possible that GWB's shitty attitude toward the rest of the world (and toward a good number of his own citizens, it increasingly appears) could have its origins partly in a retarded or frustrated sex drive. It's not an unrealistic theory because the same could be said of a lot of grouchy middle-aged men.

      So a bottle of Viagra and an eager intern or two might have helped to avoid a costly and generally pointless war. And that would have been wrong? According to you it would have been, apparently.

    58. Re:You've got to hand it to him by JeanBaptiste · · Score: 1

      >So a bottle of Viagra and an eager intern or two might have helped to avoid a costly and generally pointless war. And that would have been wrong? According to you it would have been, apparently.marital fidelity has never been a pre-requisite for historical greatnessAlmost all healthy heterosexual men are naturally inclined to desire multiple sexual partners, with only social convention to hold their drives in check. Such as lust for revenge, or cravings for world domination.

      I hardly think Bush has any cravings for world domination. Nothing I have seen leads me to believe that. We had FULL justification for going into IRAQ.

      Reason 1. After the 1991 thing, IRAQ agreed to a CEASE FIRE, not a PEACE TREATY. a cease fire is where one side agrees to some conditions, under the agreement that they stop getting their ass kicked. Saddam WILLINGLY signed it, then proceeded to ignore every condition. Generally under a cease fire, if one side does not follow the cease fire, the cease fire is revoked. but clinton did not have the guts.

      Reason 2. Im sick of this WMD not found stuff. He killed tens of thousands of Kurds using chemical weapons. It is well documented that he had them at one time, and used them on innocents. Now, If I was a multi billionaire, completely owning a country the size of california, and you gave me a 12 year headstart to find them, believe me- they would be really hard to find.

      Reason 3. Even if he didnt have WMDs, would you tell me I am wrong if I told you that he had large, systematic torture camps, and had no problem putting as many kurds and 'political dissenters' in there as possible? Face it, getting rid of Saddam was a good thing, no matter which way you slice it.

      Reason 4. Iraq under saddam would give 15,000 dollars to the families of palistinian suicide bombers. however you feel about that conflict, would you not agree that it is WRONG to board a bus full of schoolchildren and then blow it up? And this was fully supported by saddam (and saudi arabia too, im not real happy with them either). Target combatants, that is what they are there for, not CHILDREN.

      I could go on.

      But apparently these reasons were not enough to make Clinton or the UN do anything about it. Clinton was busy with other matters, I guess.

      Do you think if saddam got his hands on a nuclear weapon, he would not use it, or give it to those that would? they had al-quada training camps in their country also...

      and as far as world domination... when was the last time the US added a state to itself? 1951.

      If removing people like hitler and pol pot is 'world domination', I would like to see some more of it. There are many other sick, sick, dictatorships around the world, getting rid of them is okay by me.

      I dont like bush for many reasons, which im not going to discuss unless asked, cause this post is long enough already. But at least when he says something, I can trust whatever he is saying. I inherently trusted clinton, till he lied under oath and cheated on his wife. There went all his credibility with me.

      I know many famous historical people have had extramarital affairs. But that only tarnishes their reputation in my eyes. not in yours too?

      Thank you for your reasonable post.

    59. Re:You've got to hand it to him by ralphclark · · Score: 1
      Everybody agrees Saddam Hussein was a bad guy. He was very nasty to his own people. But there are plenty of nations in the world where this kind of thing is going on, and the US is, as a matter of public record, usually solely responsible for putting them there. Moreover the US continues to prop up many of these evil regimes, in its narrow own political interest. It has always done so and it will no doubt continue to do so. Yet Iraq was singled out. What Hussein did to his own people is therefore clearly of zero interest to the US government, never mind what the excuse of the week is.

      So don't give me any of this "evil regime" crap. The only way to justify an illegally prosecuted war on the basis of that is to hold that the ends justify the means. And if you admit that line of reasoning, anyone can justify any act they like. It was a favourite of Hitler's and Pol Pot's.

      It's possible that you understand the above but chose to ignore it. However here is the part that you are evidently don't understand at all, if you wrote honestly: Neither the United States, nor any other country, has any right or duty to unilateral military intervention in the affairs of another sovereign state.

      That's final, and not open to interpretation, or debate, or argument. It is enshrined in international law. It is necessary because national governments sometimes act unjustly in their own interests without regard to the sovereignty or welfare of other nations (as the US has done illegally a hundred times or more since the end of the second world war in fact, but I digress).

      There is a single exception to this law. If there had been a credible threat to US security from Iraq it would have been excusable. In practice, if such a threat had existed the US would not even have had to act in isolation (lets call a spade a spade here, the "allies'" involvement was entirely due to US influence and generally against the wishes of their own populations. So much for democracy).

      But, as the other nations - for example France and Germany - were saying at the time:
      *and* as the anti-war movement in the US and the UK and the other "allies" maintained,
      *and* the UN weapons inspectors were saying and continue to say,
      *and* as evidenced by the failure of Iraq to produce the expected WMDs in his own defence,
      *and* as evidenced by our failure to find any WMDs ever since.

      So there wasn't any goddamn threat. Bush and his dad and his uncles in the CIA made it up. The whole war must have been fought for other reasons they didn't want to share with us.

      All that much is increasingly transparent at this point, increasingly out in the open to the dicomfiture of the US and UK governments, but they know that public dissent can be managed. After all, it's easier to get forgiveness than permission. And in the end, it wasn't that hard to get permission, either. See below:

      --

      Naturally the common people don't want war, but after all, it is the leaders of a country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag people along whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. This is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in every country.

      Reichsmarshall Hermann Goering (at the Nuremberg Trials after WWII)
    60. Re:You've got to hand it to him by JeanBaptiste · · Score: 1

      >Neither the United States, nor any other country, has any right or duty to unilateral military intervention in the affairs of another sovereign state.

      AGREED.

      but again, we technically were STILL AT WAR from 1991, as I previously explained we were under conditions of a CEASE FIRE. When saddam broke his side of the conditions, such as throwing the inspectors out in 1998 (remember that one?), hostilities should have resumed.

      Oh, the conflict in 1991 was UN approved, as well as the cease fire. its too bad the UN does not have the will to back up its own resolutions.

      So there wasnt any 'goddamn' threat. I disagree, but lets run with that for a minute. Okay there was no goddamn threat. He still blatantly violated most if not all terms of a cease fire he willingly agreed to. Isnt that 'illegal'?

      Had we been already truly at peace with Iraq, I might agree with your statements. but we were not. A cease fire does not mean peace.

      ***Where were you people when clinton was in kosovo and somalia i wonder???***

      and just so you know, I think the US should withdraw all its troops worldwide. Put them on our borders so nobody gets in. Kick all foriegners out, and let the rest of the world go to shit without us. You think the world is so terrible WITH us, try it WITHOUT us!

      I really dont understand where this 'US is the root of all evil' thinking comes from. Yeah, we should have just let germany keep france during ww2 i guess.

      and let me repeat: ***Where were you people when clinton was in kosovo and somalia i wonder???***

    61. Re:You've got to hand it to him by ralphclark · · Score: 1
      we technically were STILL AT WAR from 1991...He still blatantly violated ... Isnt that 'illegal'?
      I'm sorry but this is just nitpicking. You might claim that you had the right to invade the country due to some technical legal loophole but that doesn't justify flouting a global consensus, blasting the country to shit and causing the deaths of thousands of innocent civilians. "I really dont understand where this 'US is the root of all evil' thinking comes from" Heh. you did it to yourselves. And you keep on doing it, viz. the sabre-rattling at Syria.
      ***Where were you people when clinton was in kosovo and somalia i wonder???***
      The UK was in Kosovo. I can't provide figures but the way it played over here was that there was a greater involvement from European troops than there was from US troops (which would be only proper). But that's never how things are portrayed in the US media. I assume you already understand why intervention in Kosovo was unambiguously legitimate and justifiable in ways that the recent intervention in Iraq wasn't.
      Yeah, we should have just let germany keep france during ww2 i guess.
      LOL! I never tire of hearing this. Due to general apathy by the majority of Americans, the US was quite content to sit back and watch the Nazis roll across Europe - that is, until you got your own asses kicked by the Japanese. This reluctance to enter the war could have been partly because of (1) the huge amount of trade the US was doing with Germany, or (2) the lucrative export in War loans and arms exports the US was doing with the Allies. Hey, there's nothing quite like playing both sides against the middle, is there? If it hadn't been for the Japanese decision to take the Pacific Rim, a serious blow to US economic interests, the US would apparently have remained neutral forever. So you can drop the "avenging hero" BS. Despite the John Wayne movies.

      Oh yeah and how many war movies have you seen where the hero wasn't American? The way Hollywood tells it, the British and the Russians did sweet fuck through all the whole war. Guess what, the 100,000 who died in the battle to take Berlin and finish the war were Russian. Of course you don't see that in the movies. The recent submarine movie where the Enigma project became thoroughly Americanized was a relatively mild example of this distortive tendency. Well, I have news for you pal. You need to stop getting your history lessons from the TV and pick up a book or two. Preferably one with small print and not too many pictures in it.

      and just so you know, I think the US should withdraw all its troops worldwide. Put them on our borders so nobody gets in. Kick all foriegners out, and let the rest of the world go to shit without us. You think the world is so terrible WITH us, try it WITHOUT us!
      Well, if you must. It's really no skin off my nose. But it would be overreacting, don't you think? All the rest of the world wants is for the US to behave in the way we all ask each other to behave: play nice with the other children, try not to get into fights, if a fight starts try not to make it worse, don't tell lies and don't try to hog all the cookies. The United States hasn't done very well on any of these counts.
    62. Re:You've got to hand it to him by iamhassi · · Score: 1
      Ideas are cheap, actually getting something out the door is what really puts your balls on the line, and Microsoft is actually out there and doing it.

      Um, well it's usually easier to get soemthing out the door when you're the richest man in the world....

      Honestly, what couldn't he "get out the door"? If he wanted to fly to Mars he could do it.

      --
      my karma will be here long after I'm gone
  30. In a half dozen years, we're all suspect by jimson · · Score: 1

    And digital media is everywhere. "Suspicious Minds" greets you in full-home surround sound.

    And isn't that ironic......don't ya think.

    1. Re:In a half dozen years, we're all suspect by onree · · Score: 1

      I thought the "Suspicious Minds" reference was a warning to stay out of the bedroom.

  31. With all that high-tech media on the walls by HiKarma · · Score: 2, Funny

    With all that high-tech media on the walls, you would never need to look at the Windows...

    (Also rumored that the reason Gates built most of his house underground was to avoid pouring more money into windows.)

  32. Microsoft will NOT determine the future... by kevin_conaway · · Score: 1

    of digital media.
    The future of digital media will ultimately be a compromise between the consumers and the industries that create the media in question. Sooner or later (probably later), the RIAA/MPAA will realize that draconian efforts to control media do not work and usually encourage piracy. Second the consumers will eventually learn that SOME acceptable measure has to be put in place to satisfy the CEOs and artists. When and how is up to us and them but certainly NOT Microsoft. Software companies should and will conform to whatever standard the public and industry agrees on.

    1. Re:Microsoft will NOT determine the future... by NDPTAL85 · · Score: 0, Troll

      Then you wake the FUCK up and realize consumers have little to no control.

      --
      Mac OS X and Windows XP working side by side to fight back the night.
  33. Trust Microsoft with my home? No thanks! by crivens · · Score: 1

    If I don't trust Microsoft with the security of my PC, why would I trust them with my home??

    1. Re:Trust Microsoft with my home? No thanks! by pair-a-noyd · · Score: 1

      A most excellent point.
      +5 insightfull say I...

  34. I Prefer to think of him as my own personal jesus by swordgeek · · Score: 1

    http://store.repriserec.com/store/product.asp?upc= 075992608121&type=music&mscssid=DGC6GHNDCLUC8N5QTD 13NF3K372A4MDF

    --

    "People who do stupid things with hazardous materials often die." -- Jim Davidson on alt.folklore.urban
  35. Bill Gates... by DaLiNKz · · Score: 1

    teh sex god !

    --
    I've left to find myself. If you happen to see me, please, keep me there until I return.
  36. Artisan's Terminator 2: Extreme Edition by NixterAg · · Score: 4, Interesting

    In case you weren't aware, Artisan just released a remastered version of Terminator 2 and has bundled in what it calls the "Extreme Edition". On the second disk, there is a pseudo high-def version of the movie (720P) in WM9 format. It takes a beast of a PC to play it, but it is really, really cool. If you have a good HTPC, you can watch a high-def version of a great movie on your high-def TV. The best thing is that it fits on one DVD with no problem. Sure, it might compress the video a little too much and the sound isn't full-bitrate DTS or DD-EX, but it's at least a taste of what's to come when a HD-DVD standard emerges.

    It doesn't matter to me whether it's Microsoft, Apple, or whoever that's doing it. I'm just glad someone is trying to move us forward.

    Microsoft haters: this post does not address the fears you have of whether or not Microsoft will take over the living room and it's not meant to.

  37. And the hose will be called..... by frodo+from+middle+ea · · Score: 1

    The Treehouse of Horror XII...
    Trusting every aspect of our lives to a giant computer was the smartest thing we ever did!

    --
    for the last time people, I am "frodo from middle eaRTH", not "middle eaST".
  38. Bill Gates is no Entertainment God... by joeszilagyi · · Score: 2, Funny
    --
    Dude, where's my packet?
    1. Re:Bill Gates is no Entertainment God... by pair-a-noyd · · Score: 0

      HAHAHA!!!
      That's funny shit man!!

      Thanks!

  39. Re:Locked down? FUCK THAT. by YrWrstNtmr · · Score: 1

    Actually, no. Microsoft wants to allow as much use as possible. Stream to and from all your devices, play anywhere...all that jazz.
    Theoretically, this will sell more Windows products.

    Hollywood, OTOH, DOES want to lock down everything. Rent a new 'play' for each device, no copying/sharing, blah de blah.

    If we're going to bitch in here, let us at least bitch at the right Evil Entity.

  40. Smart Ovens by maggard · · Score: 3, Interesting
    That's one piece of home automation I'd appreciate:
    Run a chicken pot pie beneath the barcode reader on the microwave and it sets the time and temperature.
    It'd be great to have a barcode describing a pre-made food's heating requirements. Something that the oven (microwave, conventional or convection) could apply against it's own known characteristics and produce the best results that can be expected.

    No more "9 minutes in a low-wattage microwave, 5 in a powerful one, rotate 1/4 turn after 3 minutes" just a high density coding letting the oven set itself. Heck if developers were clever the coding could even be stenographically embedded in the packaging artwork so it'd be invisible to the consumer, not distract from the pretty pictures.

    Put a self-setting item into a smart-oven, it reads off the directions and 4 cycles and however many minutes later your whatsits comes out perfectly cooked.

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    1. Re:Smart Ovens by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Barcodes to ID the item is great and all, but the damned thing still has no clue whether it's already at room temperature or if came straight from the freezer.

    2. Re:Smart Ovens by DannyO152 · · Score: 1

      And, better put an altimeter on line, because water boils slower at higher altitudes.

  41. 2 Grand for a Grand for a 'PC Media Center' by mysterious_mark · · Score: 1

    WTF, 2 grand for a PC media center (just a PC w/ DVD, sound card, etc.) For that much money you could buy a Mac and still have enough left to get all your friends drunk. Also MS in the kitchen? don't know do we really need a Microwave that GPF's. Also everything in the article could be done cheaper and better with non M$ stuff. But I guess Bill and co. like their propganda. Also you apparantly need to run a sleazy software company to afford all that crap, its not like chronically unemployed programmers will spend $$ to MS their hovel. MM M

  42. The last line says it all ... by shayborg · · Score: 1

    So, where does this all leave consumers - the wide-eyed masses, yearning for their content to breathe free? In Microsoft we trust. Ouch.

    Heh.

  43. Re:I Prefer to think of him as my own personal jes by Angry+White+Guy · · Score: 1

    Nice call.

    Everyone else, here's a clickable link

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  44. Old news, once a year by swordgeek · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Microsoft has been building a 'home of the future' about once a year for a while. This is their forth, I believe.

    Always interesting, always, controversial, and always full of a bunch of half-baked ideas. No problem--that's what showcases are for!

    I'm about the last person on the planet to defend MS, but the idea of creating a 'what if' house once every year or so is brilliant. The answer to some of those "if" questions is often bad ('if we did this, it would SUCK!!!!') but asking them as an exercise is exactly, precisely how we move the state of the art forward.

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    1. Re:Old news, once a year by Jareeedo · · Score: 1

      Its certainly to Microsofts credit, that they usually drop the "sucky" ideas fairly quickly. Remember MS Bob, or Windows ME. I'm sure the list goes on.

    2. Re:Old news, once a year by blackmonday · · Score: 5, Funny

      Actually this is the sixth version of the house of the future. In every house, 99% of people refuse to believe in the Microsoft future. Of those 99%, there is always one anomaly, or "The One". The One wanders the house looking for Bill Gates (known as the architect), hoping to get his questions answered. The One has used Microsoft's Internet Blender, Windows Media Faucet and Office Ice Maker, but always knows, in the back of his mind, that something is not quite right.

    3. Re:Old news, once a year by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Actually this is the sixth version of the house of the future.

      Maybe this time it will work out and Zion won't be destroyed!

  45. Bill Gates house. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Have you ever seen Bill Gates house? I have. In fact I have been inside, and met his wife too. But, I digress.

    Have you ever seen the novelty toilet paper? Some have jokes printed on it. One even has a crossword puzzle printed on it for your "entertainment".

    Well, at Bill Gates house, they have such nevelty toilet paper. It has "Linux" printed on it with little penguins embossed in the paper. I won't tell you what Bill's comment about it was......

  46. ... but all I want by ssclift · · Score: 1

    ... is to come home to my quiet place in the country, throw another log on the fire, cook dinner on my gas stove and play music with my friends who come over later that evening for a jam session by lantern light ... I deal with automation all day at work, I want my home to be a quiet place...

  47. Microsoft XH Security Flaws. by AtariAmarok · · Score: 2, Funny

    From a June 2012 newspaper article in "Fox-Disney-USA-Today":

    Dateline: Billmond, Washinggates.

    "Microsoft revealed today that its Windows XH home security system, installed in many homes through 1997, has a security flaw in which doors open for anyone who walks up to the door backwards. Microsoft says that this OS is too old and it will refuse to fix this security flaw.

    Microsoft is hoping that the old Windows XH home software users upgrade to the new version of the OS that has Digital Rights Management in which advanced accoustics remove from the air any sound which is produced from anything within the home that is not approved by copyright holders."

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  48. yawn by poot_rootbeer · · Score: 3, Insightful


    This is the same "smart automated house of the future" concept that has been touted fruitlessly since the 1950's. If there were any real demand for this, we'd all have homes like this already.

    (see also: videophones, flying cars)

    1. Re:yawn by kylef · · Score: 1

      I disagree. It seems that the OLD "smart houses" to which you are referring were predicated on the concept that people were lazy, and wanted automatic robots to do all of their chores. From automatic food dispensers, to robots doing the laundry, to closed-circuit video channels between rooms of the house to obviate physically walking from room to room, these technologies look like they came from the Jetsons cartoon. And none of the technologies were even close to being consumer-ready.

      The NEW "smart homes" are based on a fundamentally different paradigm: the use of widely available bandwidth in information/data networks and processing power to make our lives more enjoyable and efficient. For instance, I should be able to tell my house before I leave in the morning to record the Cardinals baseball game and save it for me. My mom should be able to SPEAK commands to the entertainment system rather than trying to figure out a hopelessly complicated remote control. If I'm in the bathroom and someone rings the doorbell or walks up my driveway, I should be able to see who's at the door on a display mounted on my bathroom wall. If I forgot to set the sprinkler system timer when I leave for vacation, I should be able to log into my house's web page and do it remotely.

      Basically, effective command and control of a home environment can utilize the enormous leap in information networks computer systems have achieved in the past decade unlike ever before. And this technology is available today, and that is why this is so exciting.

    2. Re:yawn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Log onto your houses website! Yikes that's just inviting hackers to open your doors and let the bandits in.

    3. Re:yawn by bob65 · · Score: 1

      Plus, these new smart houses actually exist physically, unlike the "old" ones, which existed in sci-fi movies.

  49. nah hes a chocolate jesus by n3r0.m4dski11z · · Score: 2, Funny

    "Well it's got to be a chocolate Jesus
    Make me feel good inside
    Got to be a chocolate Jesus
    Keep me satisfied"
    -tom waits

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    1. Re:nah hes a chocolate jesus by swordgeek · · Score: 2, Funny

      Heh. That would have been my second choice. In retrospect, it might have been my first.

      Should I be worried that I recognised all of the musical references in this thread?

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      "People who do stupid things with hazardous materials often die." -- Jim Davidson on alt.folklore.urban
  50. worthless stuff by Un+pobre+guey · · Score: 1
    An electronic lock? Wow. Real useful on a rainy night with a power outage and dirty detectors and you're half drunk and half asleep. Or worse, there is some sort of emergency. The rest of it is just expensive crap to handle music and TV. Just more crass exploitative bullshit to keep other people's hands in your wallet. This is like those Popular Science documentaries from the mid-20th century showing all the idiotic things people thought we would be doing today.

    But I bet I will have to pay $99 to the son of a bitch whenever I buy hardware for my GNU/Linux-controlled house... The "home of the future" is not a PVCR, it is a PDA for everyone in the house. It is vastly more useful for you to access your schedule, contacts, and random data than to be able to request a song or a TV show from anywhere in the home. These people don't get it. Bill Gates and his people don't know anything more about this sort of thing than the average geek. Probably less, because he has no economic constraints, and has staff take care of all the mundane tasks and activities to which such a system would devote most of its functionality.

    But I bet I will be forced to occasionally pay the son of a bitch $99 when I buy hardware for my GNU/Linux-controlled house...

  51. humm by Dark+Lord+Seth · · Score: 1, Insightful
    The front door on this house has no keyhole. Which is not to say it's vulnerable. Security couldn't be more important at 16100 NE 159th Avenue. There's the future to protect.

    Instead of traditional locks, there's an electronic kiosk with a touchscreen, a biometric scanner, and a smartcard reader. Go ahead and make eye contact; if you're a match, you'll pass through into your future home - a time and place a half-dozen years from now when your living quarters will recognize you, communicate with you, and anticipate your every need.

    Very nice and all, but (I'll skip the obligatory MS security jokes and leave those for those who care.) what about getting OUT in a hurry? Or getting in in a hurry? I'm not talking about thieves here, but firemen and other emergency services. Suppose your house is on fire and your central authentication server power down, blew up, suffered a heart attack, whatever. How are you going to get out of your house then? How are the paramedics going to get in if you had a heart attack or a seizure or something else with incapicitates you?

    1. Re:humm by roothog · · Score: 1

      I'm just wondering what type of security this door really provides. Is the lock mechanism on the door the weak point? I would think prying the door jamb or breaking a window would be more effective than trying to pick a traditional lock. Biometric sensors won't stop a hammer from going through a window.

      Also, when the power goes out, what happens? Am I locked out of my house (fail closed), or can I walk into everyone's house (fail open)?

    2. Re:humm by Un+pobre+guey · · Score: 1

      Authentication Failed. [OK] [Cancel]

    3. Re:humm by bheerssen · · Score: 1

      That's easy.

      1) Electronic locks are meant to be a convenience. Every one I've seen so far has been outfitted with a standard type key also. Just in case the electornics fail. Even if this lock doesn't have one, models that make it to production would have to.

      2) Locks like this could be designed to open manually from the inside in case of emergency. That's trivial.

      3) Firemen, police, and other emergency personnel don't need keys. They have fire axes, and failing that, trucks that can pull a door open or push it in. In an emergency, no one is very concerned about niceties like locks, electronic or otherwise.

      No lock is too much of a deterent to someone that wants in bad enough, or someone that wants out for that matter. They are just there to prevent the idle curious from running off with your stuff.

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    4. Re:humm by JLester · · Score: 1

      My $160 garage door opener has a manual release. I assume this would as well.

      How do paramedics get in now if the doors are locked and you can't open them? I assume they would bust them down or something .. doesn't matter if the door has a manual or electronic lock in that case.

      Jason

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  52. E-Mail read to us? by netsharc · · Score: 4, Funny

    Great, so I bring home a girl and the house starts yelling "Penis too small? Buy our penis-enlarger now! Original from Sweden!" and "Hot teens wait for you! Call us now!"..

    I hope they come up with a better protocol than SMTP in the future..

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    1. Re:E-Mail read to us? by nytes · · Score: 2, Funny
      so I bring home a girl and...
      Stop right there. Seeing as how you are a /. poster, the whole scenario sounds unlikely.

      But aside from that, it could be worse. You bring home a girl and the house starts yelling [pasted directly from a spam I got today]
      WE sit on opposite sides of the bed waiting for one or the other to make the first move. Tension is high and hormaones are racing. I get up. Startling you a bit and walk over to your side of the bed. I slowly let the evening gown slide from my shoulders to the floor, showing everything for you gaze upon...
      Yeah, nothin' like taking it slow on the first date.

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    2. Re:E-Mail read to us? by netsharc · · Score: 1

      But hey, we're talking the future here, where I hope I do have my own house, and dates.. :P

      Then again I wouldn't install Clippy-The-Email-Reader at my house.

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    3. Re:E-Mail read to us? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Meh she'd find out about the applicability of the first ad after your pants came off ...

  53. The solution to the problem is simple... by mykepredko · · Score: 4, Insightful

    All Bill has to do is buy up one record label, one movie studio and one TV network. Maybe a book publisher for good measure. If he wanted to do it in one fell swoop, he could buy Disney.

    Once he has them under his control, he can then offer their content under a single pricing model in which all of the content would be available anywhere in the home just by a clicking on a selection.

    By doing this, the consumer has no need to buy, copy, sell, trade, etc. content and, as the content owner, the money just rolls in. Make the assumption that a household could only absorb, say 2,000 Hours per month of content, distribute royalties based on the percentage of time the consumer is accessing the material (or from the total number of hours and keep everything over 2,000 hours).

    As for independent content developers, they could submit material to the network and get paid a royalty based on its popularity. This could spur on many more small projects like the "Blair Witch Projects" and "Clerks". Maybe music would become much more varied because just a few suits aren't deciding what gets played.

    This creates a problem for the major content owners. Consumers are happy, producers and artists are (very) happy and Bill is not only an Entertainment God, he is richer than Him. So, they have no other choice but to offer their content to Bill for distribution on his network. They will get royalties for their material and hopefully a much larger customer base.

    Everybody's happy?

    Of course, I could be smoking something,

    myke

    1. Re:The solution to the problem is simple... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All Bill has to do is buy up one record label, one movie studio and one TV network. Maybe a book publisher for good measure. If he wanted to do it in one fell swoop, he could buy Disney.

      And he'd pick up the original implementation of the "House of the Future", too.

      (Original idea goes back to Chuck Jones)

    2. Re:The solution to the problem is simple... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of course, I could be smoking something,

      I want to know what you're smoking, and where I can get some...

    3. Re:The solution to the problem is simple... by sprekken · · Score: 1

      As for independent content developers, they could submit material to the network and get paid a royalty based on its popularity. This could spur on many more small projects like the "Blair Witch Projects" and "Clerks". Maybe music would become much more varied because just a few suits aren't deciding what gets played.

      Content Developer: Hey Bill, I've got a really cool album I'd like you to distribute...

      Bill: Bwaaahhaaha! Give me that damn album and go to hell!

      Content Developer:: Uh, but aren't you going to pay me royalties?

      Bill: Hah! That's funny. Go fuck yourself.

      Yeah, the MSHome would be pretty cool, until you decided that you didn't want to spend half of your yearly salary to upgrade to the new MSHome Family License...

      "Daddy, daddy! I can't get out of my room! The door is locked and my cd player keeps calling me a pirate!"

    4. Re:The solution to the problem is simple... by poot_rootbeer · · Score: 1

      All Bill has to do is buy up one record label, one movie studio and one TV network. [MS media domination scenario elided]

      Yeah, I mean, look at how well AOL's purchase of the Time-Warner empire went...

    5. Re:The solution to the problem is simple... by first+axiom · · Score: 1

      Just like AOL Time Warner?

    6. Re:The solution to the problem is simple... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pretty damn well from AOL's perspective considering where AOL's stock would be if it weren't being propped up by TW.

    7. Re:The solution to the problem is simple... by vsprintf · · Score: 1

      All Bill has to do is buy up one record label, one movie studio and one TV network. Maybe a book publisher for good measure. If he wanted to do it in one fell swoop, he could buy Disney.

      Okay, now I'm scared. Satisfied?

  54. The hose will by called Sprinkly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And the hose will be called..... Sprinkly!

  55. Re:I Prefer to think of him as my own personal jes by swordgeek · · Score: 1

    Bugger me. I utterly forgot to include the HTML tags.

    Guess that's what I get for having that third pint at lunch.

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  56. Streaming video solutions.. by gatekeep · · Score: 1

    The article mentions Snapstream, which allows recorded video to be streamed to remote machines. However, Snapstream isn't, in my opinion, the best solution.

    Sage TV allows similar streaming to any PC on a LAN, including anything connected to a TV or HDTV. In addition, it's got most of Tivo's bells and whistles. Fast Forward, Instant Replay, Integrated Episode guide, etc. It'll even allow recording of as many channels as you'd like (limited only by how many capture cards you decide to cram into your PC.)

    In a future version, it'll have HDTV recording, and will probably get there a while before Replay, TiVo, etc, and at a far lower price. Linux support is in the works, and I'm personally hoping for a Pocket PC version too, but we'll see. I'm pretty sure it'll run on Tablet PCs now..

    The icing on the cake is that you can record into any MPEG format you want. Mpeg2 for easy DVD creation, Mpeg1 for VCD, etc..

    All in all, it's a great product. And no, I don't work for them. I'm just a happy customer.

    Check it out, download the free trial...

    1. Re:Streaming video solutions.. by pair-a-noyd · · Score: 1

      SageTV is an M$ app...
      You've already lost the race without clearing the Gate($)...
      The goal is to be free of the GRIP of Gate$...

    2. Re:Streaming video solutions.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You appear to have forgotten to put your 'Anything But Microsoft' lapel button on this morning.

    3. Re:Streaming video solutions.. by gatekeep · · Score: 1

      What are you talking about? Microsoft has nothign to do with SageTV. It's produced by a small company (like 2 guys small..) called Frey Technologies

      Maybe you're thinking of media center or something..

    4. Re:Streaming video solutions.. by pair-a-noyd · · Score: 1

      SageTV only runs on M$..

      Self defeating.. If you seek to subvert the M$ system you have to NOT use M$ based systems...

      If you use ANY M$ products then why not just use the system advertised in the first place??

    5. Re:Streaming video solutions.. by gatekeep · · Score: 1

      Well, I don't exactly seek to avoid MS. I look for the best solution. I don't use the system they mentioned here, because in my mind SageTV is much better.

      I've yet to see anything on Linux (MythTV, Freevo, etc.) which is as feature complete as Sage.. and drivers under linux for Haupaugge cards, HDTV Cards, etc. are in pretty sad shape. I know there's some preliminary 3rd party Hauppage 250 drivers, but they don't work real well yet. I don't think there's a single HDTV tuner card that'll run under Linux.

      So yah, using Linux would be nice... having a system that works is nicer.

  57. Entertainment god? by PhoenixOne · · Score: 1

    Entertainment god? Iâ(TM)ve always found that âoenobody will need more then 640KB of memoryâ line funny, but he is no Jim Carrey. ;) Balmerâ(TM)s âoemonkey danceâ still cracks me up howeverâ¦

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  58. Bill failed to entertain me by Niche+Slasher · · Score: 1

    He first started trying in 1993. I put up with him as much as I could. By 1995 he was doing a better job, but was still not enough--there were too many failed stunts still. By 1998 he was getting a lot of help from REAL entertainment giants like PC game companies, but too often he shuts down the curtains just as I was getting excited. By year 2000 I pretty much gave up my hope and made up my mind--this is one disappointing entertainment clown!!!

    -N

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  59. Re:Bill don't make any more Win Medias... by cayenne8 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Yep...but, do you seriously think you'll have the option to turn it off in the future? By definition, DRM cannot be in the control of the consumer for it to work...for the media companies....just food for thought...

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  60. Technology sometimes is ahead of praticality by UnknowingFool · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Instead of traditional locks, there's an electronic kiosk with a touchscreen, a biometric scanner, and a smartcard reader.

    In the event of a power failure, you're stuck in the house with no air, heat, or way out.

    . . . lights dim, and a recipe shines down from above on your black Corian countertop as the oven begins to preheat.

    Just like MS to naturally assume it knows the best course of action for me. I would hope that the house would ask me to do these things just in case I change my mind.

    Powered by four PCs running Windows XP, it features dozens of networked monitors, Xboxes, appliances, and consumer electronics devices scattered everywhere.

    Exactly how much is all this stuff going to cost me? Why do I need 4 computers? Is there failover/backup capability? I would think 1 main and 1 backup ought to be able to run the house.

    Due to limits imposed by the operating system, there's no way to play its stored shows on another screen or TV.

    Let me get this straight: I can play copyrighted music in any room but not play free, broadcast TV from any monitor?

    Like it or not, the path Microsoft takes will determine the future of digital media - thanks to its dominant desktop market share, the company's actions set the pace for the industry.

    That is, until you buy a new washer and dryer and the whole house shuts down until you can prove to MS that you haven't moved houses.

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    1. Re:Technology sometimes is ahead of praticality by Keeper · · Score: 1

      In the event of a power failure, you're stuck in the house with no air, heat, or way out.

      Just because there isn't a doorknob on the outside doesn't mean there isn't one inside. Additionally, you'be hard pressed to find a house where the AC or heater still functioned when the power goes out.

      Just like MS to naturally assume it knows the best course of action for me. I would hope that the house would ask me to do these things just in case I change my mind.

      Are you sure? Are you really sure? Are you really really sure?

      If you're going to cook something, and you tell the device that you're going to cook something according to the instructions in a cookbook, then I don't think it's unreasonable to assume that you're going to want the oven heated to the temperature specified in the cookbook.

    2. Re:Technology sometimes is ahead of praticality by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      In the event of a power failure, you're stuck in the house with no air, heat, or way out


      Whoah, serius Monkees flashback... (the concreet building without the doors or windows) :)

      I just hope BETTER MUSIC!!!

    3. Re:Technology sometimes is ahead of praticality by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My cookbook says pizza should bake at 250C. Nope, more like 300C, but my oven doesn't go that far up, so i'll just turn it to max.

    4. Re:Technology sometimes is ahead of praticality by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1
      Just because there isn't a doorknob on the outside doesn't mean there isn't one inside. Additionally, you'be hard pressed to find a house where the AC or heater still functioned when the power goes out.

      Sure there are door knobs, but the locks are electronically controlled. As for air and heat, I was referring to windows and/or fireplaces. Certainly a house whose doors are electronically controlled also have windows and fireplaces that are electronically controlled.

      If you're going to cook something, and you tell the device that you're going to cook something according to the instructions in a cookbook, then I don't think it's unreasonable to assume that you're going to want the oven heated to the temperature specified in the cookbook.

      You have a good point, but in the example presented, the speaker asked a question "How about foccacia?" He/she did not affirm a command or declare an intention:"I want to make foccacia." or "Computer, prepare the kitchen to make foccacia." AI has not progressed to the point where computers can tell the difference between an interrogative question and an implied meaning. "How about foccacia?" may signal to the computer to check for the necessary ingredients. In that case of a question, I would think that the computer would ask first. If the speaker had stated an intent, certainly the computer could go ahead and start preparations.

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    5. Re:Technology sometimes is ahead of praticality by Keeper · · Score: 1

      Sure there are door knobs, but the locks are electronically controlled. As for air and heat, I was referring to windows and/or fireplaces. Certainly a house whose doors are electronically controlled also have windows and fireplaces that are electronically controlled.

      If you've ever used an electric door lock, you'd discover that the lock allows the door to open without turning the doorknob. If you're able to turn the door knob, you're able to open and close the door. IE: There is a manual override.

      Having electronically controlled windows, doors, or fireplaces does not mean that there can be no manual override. In fact, it's probably the first thing on the list of requirements for such a device.

      You have a good point, but in the example presented, the speaker asked a question "How about foccacia?" He/she did not affirm a command or declare an intention:"I want to make foccacia." or "Computer, prepare the kitchen to make foccacia." AI has not progressed to the point where computers can tell the difference between an interrogative question and an implied meaning. "How about foccacia?" may signal to the computer to check for the necessary ingredients. In that case of a question, I would think that the computer would ask first. If the speaker had stated an intent, certainly the computer could go ahead and start preparations.

      I think you're reading the article a little too litterally. In the context of the article, the writer is talking about cooking dinner, decides on foccacia, and is talking about how these electronic dodads do something cool. Seeing how it's supposed to be a demo house, with the "gee wiz that's neat" type of thing going on, I don't think it's a big deal any way you look at it.

  61. I defy this God! by DarthVeda · · Score: 1, Funny

    I still use an outdated version of media player! Ha ha! *lightning bolt*

  62. Hammer, Nails, Lumber...Perfect! by LiXY · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    I'll supply the hammer, nails and lumber and together we can put an end to this Dancin' Jesus. I HATE STEVE BALLMER

  63. another MS story by crimsontiger6 · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    cue predictable anti MS bitching, security jokes etc. *yawn*

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  64. Slogan for the house of the futuer by d3faultus3r · · Score: 1

    Don't imagine it as your house gone haywire. Imagine it as having your very own HAL.

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  65. Re:RTFA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    "We wanted something that would handle digital photos, play back selections from video and music libraries, and give you all the capabilities of the PC as well," says Poole, an almost cherubic character with bushy eyebrows beneath a dark shock of bushy pubic hair.

    pr0n!!! w00t???

  66. Reminds me of a story by El · · Score: 4, Funny

    There's a long, long line of people at the Pearly Gates waiting to get in. Suddenly, this nerdy looking guy in glasses cuts to the front of the line and storms on in. The others at the the front of the line complain "Who was that?" St. Peter replies: "Oh, that was God, but he thinks he's Bill Gates!"

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  67. God damn it... clippy have escaped into my kitchen by nickgrieve · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Break out the food processor and some baking material; your home recognizes RFID tags in the bag of flour and offers to help. "How about focaccia?"

    Oh for gods sake... I see that in Bills vision of the future we are all incompetent invalids. Come on... I like living my life, I like, you know... doing things the old way. It gives me pleasure to the little things. I know it all comes down to choice, do what make you happy. But I still see Bills vision of the future as somewhat, soulless.

  68. Bill Gates, Entertainment God? by appler · · Score: 1

    I think it's obvious at this point that it is Bill Gates foremost priority to take over the world. First it was Windows "Me" (an obvious insinuation that he is the most important person in the world) Now he's trying to steal your toaster by programming it to march to Redmond. A few Sunday mornings from now, you will have no toast, and Bill Gates will have twice as much toast as he would normally have. Think about that.

  69. Entertainment God, eh? by aerojad · · Score: 3, Funny

    Can't wait for the worm that's written that makes every home in America play Hanson at the same time, or some other like-annoying band that will drive the general populace insane, just long enough for them to all call tech-support at the same time.

    --

    SecondPageMedia - Wha
    1. Re:Entertainment God, eh? by natrius · · Score: 1

      I can't wait for the worm that's written to unlock everyone's houses. Deadbolts have worked for so long for a reason.

    2. Re:Entertainment God, eh? by SN74S181 · · Score: 1

      What makes you think these machines will be connected to the public Internet?

      Microsoft is already, and generally always has, supported the development of their own private network. I was on MSN (during the 'free' period for beta testers before Win 95 launch) back before it was highly integrated to the Internet. Think of a big CompuServe or AOL type of network.

      The Balkanization of the Internet has commercial appeal to companies. People shouldn't assume there's going to be a TCP/IP network to connect to forever....

  70. Emerging solutions by danila · · Score: 1

    I believe that (fortunately for users) there is a powerful "third force" in addition to Hollywood and Microsoft - the combined force of open source developers and pirates. We already know that a very large fraction of the population (the majority of broadband Internet users) are comfortable using P2P to get their MP3s.

    Regardless of products offered by Microsoft, some people will be unhappy with them and that will cause the development of alternative technologies (codecs, distribution networks and players). It is practically a given that we will have a choice. The only thing uncertain is whether most of the users will be unhappy enough with MS solutitions to choose the alternative.

    But as the example of Windows/Media Player/Internet Explorer shows, this doesn't matter. There is always a choice. The only successful Microsoft product where they managed to 100% control the user is the XBox, where they control both hardware, software (OS) and content (games). But this is extremely unlikely to happen anywhere else. And it's not like XBox is immensely popular either...

    Their laughable attempts at pushing their Super-Duper Media PC will fail. The only way for them to succeed is to give up controlling the user.

    --
    Future Wiki -- If you don't think about the future, you cannot have one.
    1. Re:Emerging solutions by stoops · · Score: 1

      The only successful Microsoft product where they managed to 100% control the user is the XBox, where they control both hardware, software (OS) and content (games).

      100%? hmmm... my mod chip says otherwise...

  71. Uh oh, Spyware by CaffeineKills · · Score: 1

    "Powered by four PCs running Windows XP, it features dozens of networked monitors, Xboxes, appliances, and consumer electronics devices scattered everywhere." Just imagine it: Fire up any tv or computer in the house and get the loving message, "Hi, its Bonzi Buddy, don't you want to play"

    --
    "Guns don't kill people, bullets do."
  72. Future home great if you live alone by DWIM · · Score: 1
    The lights and heat automatically fine-tune to your preference the moment you cross the threshold. A screen on the wall in the foyer reads your email aloud as you hang your coat. [...] "Suspicious Minds" greets you in full-home surround sound.

    Then the wife comes home.

    The lights and heat promptly switch to her preference, her email preempts yours and attempts to be heard above her choice for full-home surround entertainment...

    1. Re:Future home great if you live alone by vsprintf · · Score: 1

      The lights and heat promptly switch to her preference, her email preempts yours and attempts to be heard above her choice for full-home surround entertainment...

      Excellent point. If I hadn't already posted here, I'd have modded that up. Not only is it funny, but it's a real dilemma for MS which is geared toward a single user.

  73. The Big Questions Are.... by gigowiz · · Score: 1

    Why does anyone need to live this way?

    How long after moving in will the owner start telling the computer(s) to "Shut up!"?

    Will we start believing people who hear "the voices"?

    GIGOwiz

  74. Intelligent media system for your home by Saganaga · · Score: 1

    Having a intelligent media system for my house is something I'm very interested in (and I'm sure this is true for many others here). If Microsoft isn't going to make it possible for us, so what? I'm sure the open source community will help make this a reality, and in many cases it already is. For instance, the Slimp3 device is a great example of the "right way" to distribute music throughout a house.

  75. DUH! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The fire department will probably keep using the same "key" it uses to get into locked, burning buildings now: an axe and a size 12 boot!

  76. Entertainment God? by mathi · · Score: 1

    Doesn't this remind you of this article?

  77. Hollywood will eat itself, and MS will... by theolein · · Score: 1

    survive yet another desaster in marketing.

    If Hollywood in the form of the RIAA and the MPAA carry on the way they are, and continually push the limits to edge so that finally one has to have permission to play any song or watch any movie (I'm being overly melodramatic here) Hollywood will die because consumers generally get irritated with things that are restrictive.

    The Microsoft home will almost certainly be an absolute desaster in the first two iterations until Microsoft "get's it", but will then catch on with the mainstream public.

    1. Re:Hollywood will eat itself, and MS will... by SN74S181 · · Score: 1

      For years consumers weren't 'irritated' by 'restrictive' media like music on vinyl LPs. (before cassette tape there wasn't even an easy way to make DEGRADED COPIES yet albums went gold and platinum in the market). Hell, there was a decade and more before CDR when people weren't 'irritated' by CD audio. I can remember the early days of 'ripping' when lots of CDROM drives still had firmware restrictions and you could only 'rip' CD Audio digitally from a select list of drive make/models.

  78. Re:Artisan's Terminator 2: Extreme Edition by geekoid · · Score: 1

    ???
    The market chooses where to go, not technology or big companies.
    If someone comes out with a 10000 to one lossless compression for movies, the market still decides whether or not it will be adopted.

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  79. unlimited choice for consumers?? by heli0 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Microsoft has two visions for the future of digital media: unlimited choice for consumers, and unlimited control for producers. One thing's for sure, it's unlimited opportunity for Redmond.

    Gates probably has the same idea of "unlimited choice" as Henry Ford: "any color so long as it is black".

    --
    Whenever the offence inspires less horror than the punishment, the rigour of penal law is obliged to give way...
  80. Re:Bill don't make any more Win Medias... by RLiegh · · Score: 1
    Yep...but, do you seriously think you'll have the option to turn it off in the future?

    I'm less concerned with that, than I am with wether or not I'll be able to install winamp in the future. [should the need for a non-drm-enabled player arise.]
  81. In a related story.... by freeze128 · · Score: 1

    The MicroSoft "Home of the future" was burned to the ground last night. The fire started in the CPU closet, and quickly spread to the rest of the house. Fire suppression systems were not activated due to an apparently faulty heat sensor.

    The local Fire Department said that overclocking could have been the cause of the blaze.

  82. War is Fun by nanojath · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Microsoft has two visions for the future of digital media: unlimited choice for consumers, and unlimited control for producers.


    To go along with your total security on your MS server, presumably. More to the point, the only way these goals are compatible is that producers have the unlimited control to degrade their information and I have unlimited choice to not buy value-diminished products.


    The record labels have seen what can happen when consumers gain total control


    Do they mean what happens when producers strong-arm a technology into the market, and then realize they've given away something they don't want anyone to have due to their failure to understand technology?


    the film studios aren't about to let file-sharing ruin them.


    Thank God they developed unbreakable CSS encryption before they strong-armed DVDs into the market.


    Like it or not, the path Microsoft takes will determine the future of digital media


    I like not believing this is true. I could be wrong but then I'm in denial about a lot of unpleasant realities.


    That's when the eHome division, which Poole helped start, teamed up with Hewlett-Packard and Samsung to unveil the Media Center Edition PC.


    It's like a digital media hub. That Microsoft spirit of innovation marches on!


    Scott Dinsdale, an executive VP of the Motion Picture Association of America, told the crowd that Microsoft and HP were using the Media Center Edition to "build a business on someone else's back." Asked to summarize Hollywood's attitude toward the PC, he said, "You don't screw with me, I won't screw with you. Don't play a movie on a PC ever again, and I won't say a word."


    I think I'll just enjoy sitting back and watching this fight from the sidelines. That is possibly the most arrogant and stupid thing I've heard from the MPAA, which is saying a lot. A lot a lot.


    Eisner added, "We will not let the fear of piracy prevent us from fueling the fundamental impulse to innovate. If we don't provide consumers with our product in a timely manner, the pirates will."


    You could have read that sentiment on Slashdot years ago and got a real jump on the market, Michael. Must I be surrounded by idiots? Must they be running things?

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    It Is the Nature of Information to Transgress Artificial Boundaries

  83. Fourth, not Forth (nt) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    -nt-

  84. Unlimited choice for consumers! by Chyeburashka · · Score: 1
    Microsoft has two visions for the future of digital media: unlimited choice for consumers, and unlimited control for producers. One thing's for sure, it's unlimited opportunity for Redmond.

    As long as you choose Windows 95, Windows 98, Windows 98SE, Windows Me, Windows NT, Windows 2000, or Windows XP.

    Defenestrate Windows!

  85. Who needs M$?? Just use this!! by pair-a-noyd · · Score: 1
  86. Interesting Indeed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    > not to nitpick, but the Xbox is now 199$, they could have paid a nerd a pizza and ran the thing on linux and freevo and have it cost less

    Or perhaps they could throw some coins into a wishing well and hope that a better solution would be delivered from the heavens.

    Both scenarios are equally as likely to happen.

  87. Re:Bill don't make any more Win Medias... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    I assume the dubious legality of watching DVD's on linux is a reasonable compromise? I assume the whole region encoding issue is a reasonable compromise? Obviously I jump at the chance to repurchase my entire DVD collection every time I move between regions.

    I assume not being able to play CD's on my computers is a reasonable compromise? I _can_ but the recording industry sure has made it difficult.

    Why would I bother buying anything from arrogant obnoxious companies trying to preserve the profit margins they enjoyed in the last century?

    I hope you enjoy your digital prision. Personally I won't be picking up the soap for the entertainment industry. Still it is reasonable that you can turn DRM off - for now!

  88. Wishful thinking by phorm · · Score: 1

    Bill Gates, Entertainment God
    I've always thought of him as something more like the devil, actually.

    Instead of traditional locks, there's an electronic kiosk with a touchscreen, a biometric scanner, and a smartcard reader
    While this system in some ways may protect better than conventional key-locks, sometimes you want low-tech. This sounds too easy to break (especially the touchscreen), and frankly it seems easier for me to click a key in the lock than align my eyeballs to a scanner.

    A screen on the wall in the foyer reads your email aloud as you hang your coat.
    I'm assuming that by some time in the future they plan to have the spam problem solved then? I don't need my wall reading out the "girls with animals" etc stories that make it into the inbox nowadays...

    is modeled on Bill Gates' own Seattle mansion.
    As with the above, I guess they missed the section of his den with an open portal to the firey realms?

  89. What happens if you ever need an upgrade? by Cruel+Angel · · Score: 3, Insightful
    And I'm not talking about RAM and little stuff like that, but when your /whole house/ becomes obselete? Or when you want to sell your house? It sounds like much of this will be hard-wired into your homes systems, and not simply removed.

    I dont know about you, but not being able to sell you house easily because it's 'smart' features are 2 years out of date doesn't soud like a happy situation to me.

    --
    Two Rules For Success:
    1) Never tell people everything you know.
    1. Re:What happens if you ever need an upgrade? by SN74S181 · · Score: 1

      The 'house' that my computer lives in (it's case) has only gone 'obsolete' once in the time since I've been using IBM compatible systems. That was when the industry standard went from baby-AT to ATX.

      That does bring up a vision of the Apple Macintosh and other (Compaq, Dell, H-P) Proprietary Box versions of this house: they'll be limited pre-fab cookie-cutter versions of a house. The Apple Macintosh house will be a somewhat more expensive double-wide. Toshiba will offer a lightweight model that even a small front-wheel-drive vehicle can tow....

  90. Re:Bill don't make any more Win Medias... by geekoid · · Score: 1

    ITs only a matter of time until the media loks for a the drm switch is on, then compares the plyers certicicate with a list of 'trusted' players. IF you are not on the list, the OS steps in and shuts it down.
    Clearly the user option has to be there, until users get used to playing nice, then the 'option' will be our way or the highway.

    This is a classic tactictic used on many fronts.

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  91. Once again I disagree with a Wired article by drinkypoo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Like it or not, the path Microsoft takes will determine the future of digital media - thanks to its dominant desktop market share, the company's actions set the pace for the industry.

    Determine the future of digital media? No more than, say, the big three automakers working together can determine the future of the automobile. Even in California with its oppressive, draconian smog laws, it's still legal to make your own car, starting with raw ore if you like. Similarly, in the software world, we will still be able to create our own operating systems and digital media players. The question is, will it still be legal to use them? Hell, it's not legal to use them now, though it's not like when I wore my faded DeCSS mirror shirt (thank you copyleft) onto Beale AFB here in sunny Sutter county I was thrown into the lockup or anything.

    I don't agree with the FUD in the article either, though I'm not sure why I'm mentioning it since it isn't written by the author; Still, it's included.

    "It's easy to talk about an interconnected world when you're providing all the pieces," says Tom Jacobs, ISMA president and a director at Sun Labs. "Microsoft is buying market share, but when they run everyone else out of the market, do we think Windows Media 9 will still be free? They'll up their rates because their product will be the only thing that's left."

    Sigh. Their product will not be the only thing that's left. That's dumb. Of course it will still be free, they want everyone using it; People creating and distributing content for it ALREADY have to pay for tools and/or licenses. So what's new?

    Also quoted in the article is a ray of hope.

    But Disney seems to be softening. In April, Eisner told a crowd at a National Association of Broadcasters meeting that he's looking to put Disney "in the forefront of the digital transformation of the entertainment industry." Announcing Disney's plans to launch a video-on-demand service, Eisner added, "We will not let the fear of piracy prevent us from fueling the fundamental impulse to innovate. If we don't provide consumers with our product in a timely manner, the pirates will."

    I couldn't have said it better myself.

    --
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    1. Re:Once again I disagree with a Wired article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If we don't provide consumers with our product in a timely manner, the pirates will."

      The problem is, a timely manner was 1999 :)

    2. Re:Once again I disagree with a Wired article by iq+in+binary · · Score: 1

      Right on the money, Microsoft wants their media player free. For one reason: so they can package it with the operating system without affecting price or alerting many anti-trust laws.

      There is a method to everything madness that Microsoft engages in. A business as succesfull as MS could only have a genius of some type behind the wheel, hopefully he's not as smart as the community he's computing with.

      I know what you all are thinking, but no. Bill Gates is not behind the wheel of MS. If he was, XP wouldn't even exist and we all would still probably be praising the genius of Windows 98.

      --
      Of all the Universal Constants, here's one I know: Nice guys finish last ;)
  92. Re:God damn it... clippy have escaped into my kitc by pair-a-noyd · · Score: 1

    But I still see Bills vision of the future as somewhat, soulless.
    That's because the ANTI-CHRI$T has no soul....

  93. Communist!!! ;) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just kidding. I'd love a communal connection as long as I'm not on a network with that bandwidth sucking thief, CowboyNeal

  94. Re:Bill don't make any more Win Medias... by sirshannon · · Score: 1

    "DRM cannot be in the control of the consumer for it to work..."

    DRM must be in the control of the user, whether the user is the record company ripping the music, the shitty punk band ripping tracks from their own CD, or the user who decides to only user products that do not support DRM and loses out on many legal music choices.

    What you're saying is that locks on cars cannot be in the control of the consumer for them to work. That is completely wrong. Locks on cars need to be available to those authorized to use them and somewhat of a deterrant to those who would go for the quicker, easier crime if available.

    DRM needs to be available to those authorized to use it and somewhat of a deterrant to those who would go for the quicker, easier crime...

  95. But, they are not zealots by Dan667 · · Score: 1

    The problem with this approach is that it is driven by money and does not have any zealots driving the technology. Firebird is starting to take market share from Internet Explorer because it is developed by zealots. Linux, same story. I would be surprised if this goes anywhere. Tell me what the people who spend all their time doing this for fun are doing, like Tivo and MythTV.

  96. No problem... by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    If the power goes out, all the doors open automatically and the faucets start running! Yessir, they've got you covered.

    Either that, or the walls are built from sturdy UPS bricks for backup power and insulation.

    --
    "There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
    1. Re:No problem... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you need sturdy UPSs?

      get 'em here
  97. Just like the Architect said... by Jerk+City+Troll · · Score: 1

    Microsoft has been building a 'home of the future' about once a year for a while. This is their forth, I believe.

    The Home of the Futurix is older than you know. I prefer counting from the emergence of systemic anomaly to the emergence of the next in which case this is the fourth version.

    The first Home of the Futurix I designed was quite naturally perfect. It was a work of art. The inevitability of its doom is apparent to me now as a consequence of the imperfection inherent in every human being to not buy my products no matter how contrived or poor quality they may be.

  98. Re:Clippy in the whole house by jared_hanson · · Score: 1

    I remember some joke about Clippy helping to write a suicide note. The depressed person in question starts typing, and Clippy chimes in with "It looks like you are trying to write a suicide note, would you like to..."

    Just imagine what will happen when the house senses you've pulled out a shotgun, a box of razor blades, a bottle of pills and accompanying bottle vodka.

    Microsoft won't just be killing computers anymore.

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    -- Fighting mediocrity one bad post at a time.
  99. Re:Bill don't make any more Win Medias... by Jugalator · · Score: 4, Insightful

    When will people understand that the DRM Microsoft is implementing is just an additional API to provide additional security to applications who use the API?

    I guess what you're looking for is basically this question, that's answered in their technical FAQ for DRM whose answer is pretty logical:

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    Q: Will I still be able to play MP3s on my PC?

    A: You will. NGSCB will bring additional capabilities to the PC but will not interfere with the operation of any program that runs on current PCs. The nexus and nexus computing agents are designed never to impose themselves on processes that do not request their services; nexus-related features must be explicitly requested by a program. So the MP3 player you have today should still work on a next-generation PC tomorrow.

    ----

    But of course, it's more fun with conspiracy theories, especially on Slashdot.

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    Beware: In C++, your friends can see your privates!
  100. Holy shit by CAIMLAS · · Score: 1

    Powered by four PCs running Windows XP

    Four?! Misterhouse can easily run on one - and one that's quite a few years old, too. Granted, I'm sure MisterHouse isn't as fully scaling as this is, but just imagine the power consumption of 4 modern x86 systems running constantly (especially in addition to whatever systems you already have).

    We're talking about an extra 100$/month, or more, for power (depending on where you live).

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    1. Re:Holy shit by pair-a-noyd · · Score: 1

      I have SEVEN linux computers running 24/7 in my all electric house, plus A/C, stove, oven, washer/dryer, etc. and my electric bill runs about $85-120 a month, $130 at the worst in the summer..

    2. Re:Holy shit by CAIMLAS · · Score: 1

      wow, what kind of rate do you have?

      I guess the setup I have here consists of 3 monitors in addition to 4 systems and a laptop; 2 of the monitors are always on. Other than that there's just a fridge. For a month this past spring, my bill was at 90$; I rarely used lighting (being as I like the dark) and pretty much the only power drain came from the computers. The heat was off, being as I layer clothing, etc.

      Since then I've tried to keep the systems off when not in direct use, so there's generally 2 on at most now. Still, the bill is around 60$/month. I suspect that the landlord is subsidizing the neighbors, somehow. (During the month I mentioned above, it was fairly cool, but since I'm on the top floor I didn't have to heat the appartment (which uses electric heat)... and I was still charged, it seems.

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    3. Re:Holy shit by pair-a-noyd · · Score: 1

      Only three monitors, and usually two are off. I can do what I need to the rest of them through the lan.
      One monitor is dedicated to my workhorse, one monitor is on my sons machine, the 3rd monitor is on a 4 port KVM, one machine is headless and I ssh into it (and the others) as need be.

      I'm building more machines from old throwaways that I rescue from trash piles and load Damn Small Linux onto.
      They make great internet terminals. I'm putting one in my garage so I can stream MP3's to the house and use xmms to listen in the garage while I work..

      The lights are mostly off and when my son goes to college this fall my electric bills will get even lower...

    4. Re:Holy shit by CAIMLAS · · Score: 1

      I hope you don't expect to save money when your son goes to college. :) If you're giving your son a credit card, or a cash line, expect that electricity saving to be strongly offset by beer and other such college things.

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    5. Re:Holy shit by pair-a-noyd · · Score: 1

      HA! He's a bible thumper, going to church college, taking theology to be a preacher.
      No beer, no drugs, no wild parties. He's not your typical teen..
      I'm VERY, VERY lucky.....

    6. Re:Holy shit by CAIMLAS · · Score: 1

      ouch

      well, in that case I take it back

      the high cost will be in the inflated tuition and mission trips

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  101. MPAA's attitude by H0NGK0NGPH00EY · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Did anybody else get this far down in the article?
    Scott Dinsdale, an executive VP of the Motion Picture Association of America, told the crowd that Microsoft and HP were using the Media Center Edition to "build a business on someone else's back." Asked to summarize Hollywood's attitude toward the PC, he said, "You don't screw with me, I won't screw with you. Don't play a movie on a PC ever again, and I won't say a word."
    Just thought I would point it out, for those too busy to read all the way through.
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    1. Re:MPAA's attitude by Neuticle · · Score: 1

      Dinsdale...
      DINSDALE...

      DINSDALE!!

      Seriously, this guy sounds like he did have his head nailed to a table...

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  102. The Virus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Kill yourself if you don't think this has to do with Palladium. Kill yourself if you don't think that Micorsoft will turn Media Player into a virus and the single largest piece of spyware ever created. Kill yourself if you trust Microsoft after all that's been said and done.

  103. Re:Bill Gates, PR0N GOD! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Jeebus Christ! If you're gonna troll, get it right!

    " When I close my eyes, I see this thing, a sign, I see this name in bright blue neon lights with a purple outline. And this name is so bright and so sharp that the sign -- it just blows up because the name is so powerful... It says, "Dirk Diggler." "
    -- Eddie in Boogie Nights (and why the hell is a site like that quoting from that movie?!!!)

  104. Bill Gates a.k.a. the god of shit by rigau · · Score: 1

    ...and then in the middle of his alergic reation to apple liquor william climbed to the roof of his estate and proclaimed: "Behold me, I am a porcelain god!"

  105. I predict... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... that you will be killed in an attempt to preserve the intelligence of the human race. You can't trust Microsoft after all that's been said and done. How amny times can one reiterate that? My urge to kill is really rising lately...

  106. further email problems by Graspee_Leemoor · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Lots of people have mentioned the problem of the computer reading out your spam when you come in, and that was my first thought too, however isn't it bad enough that when you bring someone else round it starts reading out all your personal email?

    Even if you have no secrets at all from your wife or SO, what if you have kids? Now no-one can send you email with vulgar language in...

    graspee

  107. Re:Bill don't make any more Win Medias... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So the MP3 player you have today should still work on a next-generation PC tomorrow.

    Just like win9x programs still run on XP?

  108. You DO get lots for your money by kylef · · Score: 2, Informative

    The HP Windows Media Center PC 854 (currently $1199 from hp.com) has some pretty high-end features that would never wind up on an Xbox:

    • 512 megs RAM
    • GeForce4 MX440 with 128 megs of DDR RAM and Tv-out
    • a P4 2.53 Ghz "Northwood" cpu
    • eMuzed TV tuner with built-in Mpeg2 hardware encoder
    • 120 gigabyte hard drive
    • DVD Burner
    • cool Media Center remote control
    • 5.1 channel digital audio
    • Firewire and USB2.0 for all your peripherals, video or otherwise

    Plus, you get Windows XP Media Center edition with the Media Center app and its "10-foot" UI experience, Windows MovieMaker 2, and video drivers that have been extensively tested for this particular hardware configuration. In fact, it seems the primary reason MS isn't releasing MCE as a retail OS product is that they want to ensure a higher quality standard for Media Center PCs by doing extensive in-house driver and hardware testing before OEM deployment approval.

    1. Re:You DO get lots for your money by FuzzieNorn · · Score: 1

      That GeForce4 MX400 is less powerful than the graphics chip the Xbox has in terms of featureset and raw rendering speed, by the way.

      And doesn't the Xbox support 5.1 channel audio? I might be wrong...

    2. Re:You DO get lots for your money by spongman · · Score: 1
      and its "10-foot" UI experience
      cool, so it comes with the Microsoft fetish/orgy porn channel now?
    3. Re:You DO get lots for your money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      your mouth! im amazed! it never stops fucking puking out bullshit, lies, and cruft. you are a fuckin maniac, a sladotting machine. man, with this pace of yours and the absolute premium quality of your bullshit and half assed humor, the average quality of all of slashdot's posts are dropping fast due to YOU! fuckin wow man, if there was an HOF position here for best diluter, you would be it. takes a total fuck like you to dilute droplets of wisdom in this massive sea of shit, but with crap like this, there is nowhere for intelligence to hide !

  109. Not so fast by golrien · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Problem #1: it won't work because they're a bunch of incompetant clowns. Sorry, but MS have proved themselves again and again to be incapable of making something that works. I don't trust them with a £1,000 computer, let alone a £150,000 house. I'm sure everyone here has had Windows crash for them at least once. Losing a letter to the bank is a pain in the ass, but imagine losing a letter from the bank because your mail server's disk crashed (okay, not a MS-specific problem, but it's a valid concern), or not being able to eat because your oven got a broken barcode and decided it was a fridge? And just *think* of the potential for viruses.

  110. WRONG! by littleghoti · · Score: 1

    Burning mod points here, but I prefer to think positive. You are right that DRM cannot be controlled by the public domain for the good of the media companies. Where you are wrong is that you seem to believe that this is the only channel for content. The way I see it is that the average joe is becoming empowered by technology and content can be provided from source to consumer without the middleman. Besides, secracy doesn't work for long without being hacked. History is on ny side. This post was brought to you whilst drunk. Any offence caused is due to southern comfort inc. and is no fault of the poster.

  111. Opportunity to Market by endofoctober · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The part Gates grasps really well is that such a house with all its 'wiredness' will give him the opportunity to sell marketing space to others. Brilliant as bu$ine$$ strategies go. What he seems to miss, though, is that there are a lot of people who consider their homes a refuge from that "adbot" world. Frankly, I don't want to be marketed to 24/7, and will not live in a home that isn't safe from pop-up ads on my microwave for Swanson dinners et al. I'm selective about what marketing channels I allow in my home, and I'm far from ready to relinquish that control, especially to a monopolistic company like Microsoft.

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  112. Queens of the Stone Age by OneEyedApe · · Score: 1

    On the second page of the article, they reference a song off of Songs for the Deaf. "First it Giveth". Appropriate, because the lyrics go something like "first it giveth, then it taketh away".

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  113. l33t? Not as bad as Big Brother Gates. by Erris · · Score: 5, Interesting
    I don't trust M$ to browse, I'd never ever trust it with running my house. The wired story, with a little imagination, is an awful nightmare.

    nstead of traditional locks, there's an electronic kiosk with a touchscreen...

    It's blue with a message for you "Explorer has caused an exception fault ..." This might be because your taxes or some other bill was late or deemed incorrect.

    The lights and heat automatically fine-tune to your preference the moment you cross the threshold.

    A cross licensing agreement with your power company insures maximum profits for them rather than comfort for you.

    A screen on the wall in the foyer reads your email aloud as you hang your coat.

    It's hotmail telling you about penis enlargers over and over again. You have 137 new messages since leaving work.

    Run a chicken pot pie beneath the barcode reader on the microwave and it sets the time and temperature. Break out the food processor and some baking material; your home recognizes RFID tags in the bag of flour and offers to help. "How about ...

    The next sentence is a paid comercial advertisment for food you don't want to buy. What you eat is sold to the highest bidder by Microsoft and they irritate you out loud trying to get you to buy something different. You also had to repeat the word "delete" several times for this while you were hanging your coat and walking to the kitchen before you gave up in disgust and told the computer to "shut up". The computer asked if you were sure.

    And digital media is everywhere. "Suspicious Minds" greets you in full-home surround sound. The family's collective music library is accessible from any room, on every device.

    True, any "trusted" device will be able to talk to the media server and it will be able to display exactly what M$, RIAA and the MPAA want you to see. Once the hardware lock in is achieved, the eHome experiment will be obsolete. You will only be able to run one version of Word that you pay for by the minute. Options like search and replace costs extra. No material deemed "copyright infringing", including your own media, will work. All your old movies, songs and pictures are now "obsolete" and unnecessary because you can rent anything you want that the media cartels feel it's profitable to make available. It will look very much like cable TV and broadcast radio. Equipment that records music that can be played on such a system will be tightly controled through patenets, copyrights and laws like the DMCA.

    Oh yeah, your house will be listening to you. The listening devices can cancel the noises the system creates so that your voices can be recorded loud and clear. Carnivore was just the beginning, though it will still be searching your email, search fees added to your taxes, of course.

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    1. Re:l33t? Not as bad as Big Brother Gates. by zog+karndon · · Score: 1

      Shya, right. Like the Linux household:

      In order to open any door, you have to remember your 17-character (mixed case with at least 3 numbers and two symbols) password; for security's sake, of course, the passwords are different for each door.

      Instead of lights that come on, you have sparks flying from the bare wires. Insulation will be added in Linux House 0.18.

      Your mail gets read, but it sounds like Don Ho after a couple of pan-galactic gargleblasters. You still have 137 messages about penis enlargers, because the spam filter craps out with some unintelligible error message when you try to turn it on.

      When you run a chicken pot pie under the barcode reader, the kernel faults and your lights go out.

      You can get lots of media for free, but all you can get are garage bands. Lots and lots of bad garage bands. Oh yeah, and the Star Wars Kid.

      Your house still listens to you - it just listens for swear words directed at Supreme Leader Richard Stallman and Adjutant Diety Linus Torvalds.

      Those who take the names of the Supreme Leader in vain are chained to a teletype and forced to use lynx to surf the web while watching Revolution OS 24 hours a day.

    2. Re:l33t? Not as bad as Big Brother Gates. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Haven't quite gotten the hang of that linux thing yet huh? Keep trying! I know it can be tricky, but you'll get the hang of it eventually. It just takes some longer than others ;)

    3. Re:l33t? Not as bad as Big Brother Gates. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of course, many of the same problems plague the Microsoft house, but since the house gives no diagnostics, you just figure it's normal, and reboot everything.

    4. Re:l33t? Not as bad as Big Brother Gates. by broeman · · Score: 0

      I think you get the idea... no software should control any houses until there is a waranty for it, like todays alarms. I would have the right to sue Microsoft/[other evil company] for errors in my house.
      People don't want to be told how the future house should look like, they want tools to do it themselves. Every house has an individual look, since individuals live there ... but individuals is not what Billy Boy sees, he looks at a market-segment.

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    5. Re:l33t? Not as bad as Big Brother Gates. by spitzak · · Score: 1
      Ha ha you think you are funny. Do you know what your router is running? Which gives you more trouble, your Windows machine or your router?

      You seem to be confusing amateur with professional output. Believe me a professionally designed Linux system by a commercial company will work very well.

  114. Differents worlds... by Iowaguy · · Score: 1

    You mean you have stopped arguing PC/Mac? Hmmm, don't read slashdot much do you? :)
    -Iowa

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  115. MS house by bigjnsa500 · · Score: 0

    Who gets to live in this house?

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  116. Want it now?! by cesman · · Score: 2, Informative

    Then why not build it yourself with Mister House and MythTV? While I haven't used Mister House, it appears to have a great deal of built in functionality. If it doesn't have the functionality you seek, add it! It is Open Source! Then there is MythTV! Simply put MythTV rules! I recorded my favorites show, rip MY CDs, local weather at a glance and many more! My Myth boxen fits in my entertainment center and is connected to my surrond sound receiver, which sounds great!

    Since 0.8 (0.9 was released a few days ago!), Myth has a separate front/backend! Record a show in your living room(or perhaps the basement) and watch it anywhere in your house(of course you'll need a frontend box attached to your TV or a computer running Linux)!

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  117. damn by SHEENmaster · · Score: 1

    I was hoping he'd get stuck with one of the nine.

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  118. They're great at ideas but ... by BillsPetMonkey · · Score: 1

    They're not so great at implementation. This is becoming very obvious with the slow uptake of .NET because of it's poor implementation. The reason? Testing. Testing. Testing. This should be the present mantra at Microsoft because they can't afford the time before release to adequately test their software.

    I'd be the first to admit that Microsoft Word is a great application. But every Word user I ever met decided to "get to know how Word" after it wiped that important document.

    What does that tell you about ideas?

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  119. Question: Win Media 9 vs. Quicktime by EccentricAnomaly · · Score: 1

    The article raves about Win Media 9s quality and how it's good enough for a theater and all....

    Does anyone know how Win Media-9's quality compares to MPEG-4 and Quicktime? Is MS's new codec really as big a breakthrough as the article claims? Does this mean Apple's behind the curve with MPEG-4 or is MS just blowing smoke?

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  120. Re:Clippy in the whole house by gfody · · Score: 1
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  121. Re:Bill don't make any more Win Medias... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    what makes you think the DRM is actually off? It says so? I am getting 'slammer' ideas to that little idea of yours...

    The DRM is still there, any code can turn it back on, without telling you anything.

  122. warning! parent is fud! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Give me a fscking break. If Loonix were the most popular desktop operating system then fucktards like your parents would be using them and assholes like your big brother would be writing virii for them.

    Insightful my hairy ass. Raise a valid point or puff your inhaler in silence, you assclown.

  123. Re:Bill don't make any more Win Medias... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Let's explore that car analogy.

    If locks on cars worked the way that DRM does on content, the auto manufacturer or dealer would control your car AFTER you had paid for it. You would not be able to drive anywhere without their permission. If you eventually wanted to shop for a new car at another dealer, and the original one didn't feel like letting you go there, you would not be able to drive there in your own car.

    But that's ignoring another issue: which is that the copyright holders are NOT the true owners of published content. The public is (to the extent that you can even speak of speech as property at all). A copyright on a classic album or film or book is like an exclusive long-term arrangement where a vendor gets to run a concession in some publically-owned park or historical site. If a vendor who had such a concession placed locks all over everything, and left them in place after the end of the concession without giving the true owners/trustees the keys, that would be quite inappropriate. Especially if the vendor left the public property inaccessible by design.

  124. BillG's one great contribution by solprovider · · Score: 1

    BASIC

    Every programmer who learned BASIC from the mid-70s until around 1990 learned the corrupted version of the language from MS. I believe that MS wrote that interpreter because it looked easy, they could almost understand the language, and it was not popular, so they could change anything they had difficulty programming into the interpreter. They then sold the interpreters to most of your 37 completely incompatible platforms. While you could not exchange floppy disks, you could type in the source of any BASIC program and expect it to run with a little work.

    MS was able to make the deal for DOS because IBM wanted the same BASIC interpreter as every other platform.

    From the first, MS took someone else's work, wrote their own incompatible and corrupt version of it, and then marketed it into the leader. They continue this tradition very well.

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  125. Re:Artisan's Terminator 2: Extreme Edition by SN74S181 · · Score: 1

    When you say 'the market' that's shorthand for 'the marketing guys up on third floor' right??

  126. Re:Bill don't make any more Win Medias... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What about the computers from the day after tomorrow? And as far as that goes, it's a _Microsoft_ FAQ. They'll do or say anything to round up more cash, and the scheme the conspiracy theories all seem to be pushing shows them drawing in cash from all ends. It's The Path of Most Profit, and I'm betting it's the one Microsoft is going to take, which is why I use mplayer. If it doesn't work on mplayer (and I have a much, much easier time getting stuff to run under mplayer than I do digging up codecs for my Win95 machine) then I don't care about it.

  127. Where would we be without MS... by Hooya · · Score: 1

    Well, i'm actually glad that MS was and is. Otherwise i might not have been as passionate about what i do -- work in and on GNU/Linux.

  128. anticipate, eh? by sootman · · Score: 1

    "your future home... will recognize you, communicate with you, and anticipate your every need."

    Cool. I'm looking forward to coming home to a smart house full of hookers and beer. :-)

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  129. Entertainment God by Hooya · · Score: 1

    .. the title already belongs to Ballmer for his 'Developer Dance' act.

  130. Ha ha! by Erris · · Score: 1
    In order to open any door, you have to remember your 17-character (mixed case with at least 3 numbers and two symbols) password; for security's sake, of course, the passwords are different for each door.

    I prefer pass phrases, with some letter from each word of the sentence being a character in the password. Speech recognition would simplify this, and give something your could tell others to open the door, but I prefer a normal key that can't be deactivated by internet hack.

    Instead of lights that come on, you have sparks flying from the bare wires. Insulation will be added in Linux House 0.18.

    Hmmm, like users will be a part of the M$ kernel and file system one day. The free software lighting system will be an embeded device that only takes high level commands from voice or an authenticated network connection and as trouble free as my Debian machines are.

    Your mail gets read, but it sounds like Don Ho after a couple of pan-galactic gargleblasters. You still have 137 messages about penis enlargers, because the spam filter craps out with some unintelligible error message when you try to turn it on.

    I don't have a spam problem now. In the future, I still don't want email read out loud. People who need voice communications with me will be able to get me through an 802.11 decendent community built ad-hoc network and yet another device running embeded free software.

    You can get lots of media for free, but all you can get are garage bands. Lots and lots of bad garage bands.

    Most of my music collection is ported to ogg. It will play into the future as long as hardware runs free software. I also maintain a piano, which plays in the living room instead of the garage. My wife can play it just loud enough.

    Your house still listens to you - it just listens for swear words directed at Supreme Leader Richard Stallman and Adjutant Diety Linus Torvalds.

    Funny, I've never seen anything in the GPL about remote root access/a>.

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  131. Clippy in the kitchen, an example by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Scenerio:

    You start adding a bunch of habaneros to your food.

    Clippy pops up and responds: "You seem to be trying to kill yourself, may I suggest a double dose of Britney Spears album #24 and Backstreet Boys All Time Greatest Hits?

    You reply "Go away."

    Clippy responds, "'Go away' from the Backstreet Boys it is. I've sent $4000 to the RIAA to cover your licensing license for 10 years since I know you'll want to listen to it again and again."

    You quick attempt to pull the plug before it's too late and recieve a shock.

    Clippy responds, "You seem to be trying to turn me off. That and your suicidal tendencies suggests that you are mentally unstable. Would you like me to call the funny farm and admit you or would you like to order more boy band hits. Since you like Backstreet Boys, we know you'll also like ....."

    "The funny farm, please."

  132. Congrats, the pirates outperform ... by 2TecTom · · Score: 1

    Eisner, "If we don't provide consumers with our product in a timely manner, the pirates will."

    Isn't it amazing how effective grassroots movements can be? All I can say, is Mom told me sharing is a good thing!

    Hmm, now lemme see ... disney bad, pirates good? Disney are the pirates you say, oh my, I'm so confused! Bill, help us little users, make sure I can only do the right thing. After all, you are the expert on what's best for us.

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  133. Re:I Prefer to think of him as my own personal jes by unitron · · Score: 1

    Wasn't that song around before Depeche Mode were born?

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  134. Slashdot on the road to hell? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When you see "Bill Gates" and "G-d" in the same title you KNOW there's something very very wrong going on here.

  135. Shouldn't this be in B&W before a movie? by PetoskeyGuy · · Score: 1

    I remember my hearing from grandparents seeing the same "dream" house in their old B&W TV. What a croc. No one wants to let machines do all that stuff. I rank this up there with Rocket Powered cars with bubble domes. It's a possible future by a very myopic one in which technology is all your looking at.

    Besides, the next slammer/I love you virus could lock you out of your house while it sets leaves your oven on as high as it can go and reroutes 911 to 900 numbers across the ocean.

    Machines can do what I tell them, but I don't want them guessing what I want and doing it without asking. It's bad enough when it does ask and all you can do is power down because you don't like the choices.

  136. Re:Bill don't make any more Win Medias... by glesga_kiss · · Score: 1
    So the MP3 player you have today should still work on a next-generation PC tomorrow.

    And here lies the downfall. A well informed user will always opt for the non-DRM option. Unless you can lock down the encoding stage to DRM-approved systems, DRM doesn't stand a chance. Given the number of existing mp3 encoders out there already, I'd say that would be impossible.

  137. If I ran MS Windows... by f0rt0r · · Score: 1

    I would have a clue what you guys are talking about! /pats his trusty penguin box.

    P.S. What is WMP9?

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  138. India finance minister, bmw, and M$ Home? by crusher-1 · · Score: 1

    OK, some of you might recall a story about the Indian (as in country of) finance minister (I believe that was his position) that got trapped in his Beemer becuase the M$ driven computer that BMW had decided to let control the car, well..... Crashed (what did you expect?)! I further recall that it was a particularly hot day in his section of India and that it could have been potentially injurious for the occupants if not for a group of locals that smash in the windows and allow the minister and the driver to vacate the vehicle.

    So, I'm supposed to let gates and company wire my house in a similar fashion? I DON'T THINK SO. Nothing like a BSOD or spontaneous reboots in the middle of farscape reruns on my M$ controlled HDTV. Or all my electronic doors locking me in or locking me out, or my smoke alarms keep going off at 3 a.m. becuase the Longhorn based system can't tell the difference between changes in ambient temperature and humidity and smoke from a fire. Ya, sure Bill's "home of the future" probably works like a charm. It had better. He is after all the founder of M$ and one of the richest men in the world (I'd hate to be the admin for his home system should it fail). But I don't have the same glowing confidence that my Gates designed "home of the future" would be as reliable. Not to mention getting spam in on my microwave and refrigerator screens.

    Oh, and a side note. Do you think the Indian ministers BMW incident had anything to do with India decision to sponser state supported Open Source and Linux development? Just a thought.

    Cheers.

  139. Microsoft lies... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why is arguably the most successful corporation in the history of the planet still so unsatisfied? Why can't they afford to tell the truth?

    When you're got one model home for the public, and one model home for the entertainment industry, that's called lying. When you're telling a journalist a process isn't technologically possible, and then it becomes publically demonstrated two weeks later, that's lying. When you you use phoney "real" people in your advertising, when you tell tall tales in court about the relationship between your browser and your platform that's called lying. MS isn't simply isn't truthful enough to be trusted with this kind of power.

    And the greedy, irresponsible way it's being rushed into the marketplace is not allowing anyone to consider the frightening implications of some of this technology. Gates assures us we'll be able to turn our palladium chips off... but how hard could it be to make one that won't turn off? How hard would it be for an oppresive regime, say the Chinese Government, to make these devices required by law? Hell, isn't that what the Hollings Bill is all about?

    A lot of this stuff is absurdly impractical except for the very rich. I remember when I was in Kindgergarten (1963), my Weekly Reader had a picture of someone talking on telephones with little tv screens in them. In ten years time, all out phones were supposed to be "Picture Phones" The picture phone (at least in the form that the "Weekly Reader" was pushing because phones with TV cameras are expensive, impractical, obtrusive, and pointless. I'm not willing to spend several thousand dollars, or a thousand dollars, or even a hundred dollars for a retinal scan to lock and unlock the door to my apartment... even if such technology would great diminish the odds that the Catwoman-- or maybe the Riddler-- might break into my apartment to steal my second-hand PC. I just can't afford it, just like I can't afford healthcare, partly because nearly all goods and service in today's economy have the bloated cost of Chairman Gates' software added to the price tag.

    A lot of this AV geek stuff sounds cool, but I'm not buying a computer or software or a mousepad from Microsoft, even if they come up with a computer that sucks my dick. And swallows.

  140. Re:Bill don't make any more Win Medias... by Jugalator · · Score: 1

    What about the computers from the day after tomorrow? And as far as that goes, it's a _Microsoft_ FAQ

    Yes, it's a Microsoft FAQ, and if it would be an anti-Microsoft FAQ, you'd hear the opposite. Perhaps the truth about where they're going might be somewhere in between... Not teaming up with RIAA/MPAA and build an OS that refuse non-DRM software to run, but perhaps making Windows Media Player do refuse to play unprotected media, although allowing Winamp to be installed as usual.

    I think it's useful to see FAQ's from more than one side to get a perspective on things.

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  141. Re:Bill don't make any more Win Medias... by Jedi+Alec · · Score: 1

    trolling or stupid? Most of my software runs just fine. The few programs that don't do so because they're complete crap in the first place...I'm not saying there isn't as lot of bad things to be said about MS, but for exactly that same reason I fail to see the point in making ludicrous statements like that...

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  142. mplayer for linux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I like mplayer for linux. Nice simple keyboard shortcuts. Fullscreen. Extremely fast. Tight.

    Fuck Windows Media Player. I'm sure I'm not the only person who changed the file type to use that mplayer2.exe!

  143. Parent Thread is overated and a Troll by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why it got that score, I'll never know.

  144. But this is the SECOND T:2 Uber Film Release! by Dolemite_the_Wiz · · Score: 1

    This isn't moving us forward, it's the fact that crappy Studio Heads are squeezing every possible cent out of the consumers.

    This is the Second 'Director's Cut with extra goodies' DVD release of this film.

    Isn't it interesting that this 'new' DVD is near the Theater release Date of 'Terminator 3: Scraping the bottom of the barrel once again'?

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  145. You all missed the bottom line of this article... by Dolemite_the_Wiz · · Score: 1

    ...(once again).

    With the exception of 'Sean80's' post, you all missed the whole point of the article.

    Microsoft and Apple are the only two companies that have identified that in the information age, there's a whole new set of rules for the Entertainment Industry.

    These include:

    1) Identifying and leading the way for all media companies (Film, music, TV, etc.) to make the switch from their industrial age ideals to the information age. The example of the evolution of Disney is a PRIME example of companies that are/were holding on to their industrial age ideals. The ones that hold on to these ideals, like the RIAA as a whole, will be on a driect path with their own extinction by their own doing.

    2) Not waiting around for RealNetworks or other Companies/Developers (::cough:: Unix Media player creators ::cough::) to catch a clue. These companies all seem be missing the fact that efforts are focused on the present and not the coming trends of the future. Because of not being able to identify future trends or even be trend setters, they all are either playing catch up or just making a compatable player for the present technologies.

    3) Technology moves at astronomical speed. Instead of waiting around for all the harumphing about the MPEG-4 Standard, Apple and Microsoft are blowing right by them. What do you want to bet this standard will be a non-issue in 18 months because parties can't agree on one thing?

    Microsoft and Apple are where they are for a reason. In this day and age it's 'Lead, follow, or step aside' and most of the big players are taking the lead. Everyone else ::cough:: RealNetworks ::Cough:: is lagging behind and pitching a hissy fit because they haven't a clue as to future trends in the Entertainment Industry.

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  146. If you ran MS Windows... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...You'd have a clue. But you don't.

    Patting a Penguin Box? Isn't that Illegal in most states?

  147. Re:Artisan's Terminator 2: Extreme Edition by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    While Microsoft is moving you "forward" with Terminator 2, the rest of us watched that years ago, and are waiting for the Terminator 3 launch date.

  148. Audio spam? by NanoProf · · Score: 1

    Excellent. My house can cheerfully recommend to me a larger penis every time I arrive home after work.

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  149. Re:Smart Ovens (ACK!) by gosand · · Score: 1
    It'd be great to have a barcode describing a pre-made food's heating requirements. Something that the oven (microwave, conventional or convection) could apply against it's own known characteristics and produce the best results that can be expected.

    If you claim to be any kind of geek, you should be ashamed of yourself. That is the equivalent of saying "I wish my operating system would decide all my configuration settings for me. After all, I am only interested in the final product."

    Alton Brown would be turning over in his grave, were he dead. Get your ass in the kitchen and learn how to cook. It is such a fascinating and enjoyable thing to do. Read the book Cookwise: The Secrets of Cooking Revealed. Watch Good Eats on FoodTV. You don't *cook* in a microwave.

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  150. advice: by i+chose+quality · · Score: 1

    scan your system for strange server processes or quit doing psychedelic drugs... one of them should work.

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  151. Borg implants/Jeri Ryan (off-topic) by MikeVx · · Score: 1
    I wouldn't mind my significant other getting Borg-style implants. They obviously did wonders for Jeri Ryan's career.
    I've actually met Jeri Ryan at an SF convention. If she had implants at the time, they were not that impressive. By her comments, the 7 effect was accomplished with a wonderbra and a corset, and was not terribly comfortable.

    I haven't seen her in anything post-Voyager, so I have no way of knowing if she has upgraded her superstructure in the mean time.
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  152. Re:Artisan's Terminator 2: Extreme Edition by i+chose+quality · · Score: 1
    Microsoft haters: this post does not address the fears you have of whether or not Microsoft will take over the living room and it's not meant to.
    cheap shot. it is OFFTOPIC then... ;)
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  153. Re:I Prefer to think of him as my own personal jes by hesiod · · Score: 1

    > Wasn't that song around before Depeche Mode were born?

    Plastic Jesus? That's a Dead Kennedys/Jello Biafra song AFAIK.

  154. Maybe it's not such a bad idea after all by astroview · · Score: 1

    If you guys were to look at this you might be willing to change your minds. For those of us with incredibly fast machines and Windows Media Player 9 you can view some 1080p clips!

    I strongly recommend checking that site out. While I dislike Microsoft, I applaud them trying to make high quality video mainstream.

    Now the question becomes are we willing to sell out to MS for these clips? The answer for most of the people on this board is probably no. The answer for the masses is probably sure, so it looks like we'll be stuck with this MS video standard down the line.

  155. Unthinking elitism by maggard · · Score: 1
    My, you assume so much...

    Thanks but I'm a great cook, so's my partner. We also have busy lives and sometimes just want to nuke up a box of whatever and get back out the door.

    We've got a freezer full of home-made frozen stuff and also a few favorite pre-made ones (less then in the US, Quebecers aren't big on frozen foods and the stores have small selections compared to US ones) but yeah, something plug-in-and-forget would work well this evening.

    A playwright buddy has a show in the Fringe Festival again this year. I'm going to be out picking up stuff for this weekend, he's is going to be getting in from the gym, we're both going to have to rush and shower, dress for the play and then taking the author out afterwords. If we could toss something in the oven and know that it would come out hot and tasty at the right time with no intervention, no calculating settings, well that'd be great.

    Would Alton Brown mind? I bet not, he seems an on-the-go guy with a practical attitude toward food. I know Julia Child wouldn't, we had a chat on the topic a few years ago (we were seated at adjacent tables, she alone and welcoming of discussion.) Turned out she's a fan of frozen string beans in the off-season.

    I'm sure parents of babies would appreciate built-in directions - toss the baby food in and know it'll come out properly heated. As well mini-market owners with self-serve microwaves, no more watching the stoners try and figure out how to heat their snacks. Company break rooms with their invariably quixotic ovens would benefit too. Elderly folks would be thrilled - the print on packaging is terrible to try and read, microwave keypads are difficult for them, and when the bones are tired a no-muss hot meal is appreciated.

    I know my own parent's, aged 65 & 66, both very bright people, Dad an engineer, Mom a nurse, don't find their new ovens the easiest possible to operate. Setting sequential cycles on the microwave is a hassle and calculating settings for the convection oven (I was careful to include all ovens in my wouldn't-that-be-nice, you seem only to think as far as the microwave) is always trial and error.

    Along with the ease of coding manufacturers would be able to include better directions for the automated systems. Right now the goal is as few steps as possible, often to the detriment of the final product. With the settings automated more complex directions could be implemented with a a thaw, a cook, perhaps even keep-warm cycles included.

    So, sorry if automation offends your elitist sensibilities but for most folks machines serve us , not the other way 'round. If a device can take a product we place in it and calculate it's own optimum settings then that's an excellent use of technology.

    That you disdain commercially prepared items is your own bigotry, I bet your mother considered frozen & pre-made foods a godsend, they certainly seem to sell well and yes, there are some very good products out there

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  156. You've got mail by princeofweasels · · Score: 1

    Picture the electronic voice: Downloading 156 messages..... message 1 from slashdot@slashdot. Subject: [Slashdot] Reply to ... message 2 from ryeehtruy Subject jhcfjvg rnhrv Downloading 156 messages... And every other day you'll have to call your electric company to shut off the power to get it to reboot. Now that is innovation. I want crap that makes my life easier not harder. Give me a pager with email and unix box any day.

  157. Now thats.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...music to my ears...

  158. Re:You all missed the bottom line of this article. by multi+io · · Score: 1
    3) Technology moves at astronomical speed. Instead of waiting around for all the harumphing about the MPEG-4 Standard, Apple and Microsoft are blowing right by them. What do you want to bet this standard will be a non-issue in 18 months because parties can't agree on one thing?

    Oh my god. How naive are you to believe that the battle "MPEG4 against Windoze Media" is about technical merits? It never was. Btw, I'm using MPEG4 every day, it works well, thank you. There's not more "harumphing" about it than about the the ever-"evolving" Windoze Media (1..28) "standard".

  159. Re:You all missed the bottom line of this article. by Dolemite_the_Wiz · · Score: 1

    Has an agreement been reached for a universal standard? No.

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  160. slashdot also cut off part of my last post :( by JeanBaptiste · · Score: 1

    i will make it quick.

    Clinton lied under oath. I agree he should not have been in court in the first place, but he did lie under solemn oath. and he ended up lying about his wedding vows. After that, I lost all respect for the man, that I had simply because he was president.

    After that, no trust.

    I inherently trust bush the same way, just because he is the president. He has shown me no reason to distrust him thus far.

    anyhoo.

    wonder why slashdot cut that off, even tho it was in the preview correctly...

  161. Re:I Prefer to think of him as my own personal jes by unitron · · Score: 1
    I thought I remembered it from back around the '60s "Folk Revival", and with a little googling found that it had been published in the folk music magazine "Sing Out" back in 1964 and apparently had been around in various forms for several years before that, as a sort of spin off from a black (then called "Negro")spiritual, although the spiritual seriously addressed reliance on the "original" Jesus rather than poking fun at those who attach religious signifigance to what is otherwise the equivilent of a tourist's trinket.

    Although the "original" version of "Plastic Jesus" was a satiric comment on what's arguably a form of idolitry, more recent versions are probably more of a jibe at the religious figure rather than at the figurine.

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  162. Yes, that will work. by Mensa+Babe · · Score: 1

    The solution to the problem is simple...
    All Bill [Gates] has to do is buy up one record label, one movie studio and one TV network. Maybe a book publisher for good measure. If he wanted to do it in one fell swoop, he could buy Disney. [...] As for independent content developers, they could submit material to the network and get paid a royalty based on its popularity. This could spur on many more small projects like the "Blair Witch Projects" and "Clerks". Maybe music would become much more varied because just a few suits aren't deciding what gets played.

    Yes, I'm sure Bill Gates controlling the only distribution channel for all of the content in the world, would mean a heaven for independent producers, indeed... Just like controlling the software market by Microsoft has made it become a paradise for independent software producers. *sigh*

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