You may think Google is some super huge corporation, but Oracle is a super huge corporation as well.
Not only that, but Oracle makes more money per year than Google does. Of course, they have less equity (thanks in part to them buying companies willy-nilly).
Java tends to accept... well, just Java. Maybe LLVM instead of CIL...
Just because there's only one "official" language that runs on the Java VM doesn't mean there aren't others, such as JRuby, Jython, etc... Wikipedia has a list.
Only a month? I've seen computers go for ~9 months w/o an internet connection still able to play steam games offline. Technically, I think you can go as long as you want, Steam just has a minor issue where it deauthenticates for some reason (incidentally, I believe you can backup the user authorization files and reload them if this happens.)
I've never tried it, I was just going by what other people have said in the past.
No, Mozilla is just trying to copy Google because they've run out of their own ideas failing to realize that this game of catchup they are trying to play is only going to lead to their downfall and irrelevance.
That and Firefox pretty much stole everything they could from Opera until Opera decides to actually innovate again rather than just sit there.
With JavaSE, I can get the source code to the current Java version at any time, under the GPLv2 license from the Mercurial repository on the OpenJDK site. It's JavaME that's the problem there, because it's intentionally being withheld.
(JavaEE is being ignored here, as it's just a set of standards that has about 10 different implementations, half of which are open source).
... and privately Sun notified Google they would need to license it.
Citation needed. As far as I know Sun did not ask for any licensing until they were brought by Oracle, which was much later than the statement of congratulations. This is why the article says the principle of estoppel (you can't imply that something can be used for free then charge) might apply.
How about an article? Or Google's own lawyers saying that Sun offered to license Java to Google for $100 million, which is now part of the court record for the very case we're discussing, admitted as point of fact by the defendants attorneys?
If Apache Harmony is based on OpenJDK, that's a clear GPL violation, as you're not allowed to change the license on products derived from GPL products, unless explicitly allowed by the copyright owner.
But then that would be Apache who broke copyright, not Google.
That wasn't actually the point. Rather, the point is there to show that Android couldn't possibly be protected by the OpenJDK's license because Harmony isn't derived from OpenJDK. And, if Google tried to convince anyone otherwise, it'd be copyright infringement instead (and I imagine Apache would be quite ticked with Google if they tried to prove such.)
But hay, whatever you got to do to excuse away Apple, huh?
I sincerely hope you aren't trying to paint me as an apple supporter. I don't use any Apple products. My home gaming machine runs Windows 7, as does my laptop, my server machines run Linux (Debian usually, although I have one Ubuntu 10.04 LTS server).
Except the office updatres dont' cost money.
I'm not talking about service packs. It costs money to upgrade from Office 2000 to Office XP (2001) and again from Office 2001 to Office 2003, and again from Office 2003 to 2007, and again from Office 2007 to Office 2010.
And 3.1 was not a new OS. It was 3 with the network fixed.
3.1 changed quite a few things. One of which was the driver system. Windows 3.1 introduced the VxD system, which was also used in Win 95/98/ME.
It also introduced Multimedia Support, which was previously available as an addon to Window 3.0.
You're apparently thinking of Windows for Workgroups 3.1, which introduced networking to the 3.1 line.
And you are mixing consumer and serve OS's.
No I didn't. I didn't include server OSes at all, although they did match up with the WorkStation/Professional (or Business as Vista called it) line through Windows 2000.
"with the exception of the gap between XP and Vista," Except where they didn't, I right.
Yes, it's the exception, not the rule. It happened once in the last 9 Windows releases on the consumer side. And I can likely stretch that back to Windows 1.0 if need be.
3) That java itself was GPL'd prior to the oracle acquisition and teh terms of that license provides blanket patent coverage over java itself, it's only the java test-suite (used for measuring compatibility) which is licensed differently (thus remaining patentable) and this is why code such as Apache Foundation's Harmony are safe - they don't do those tests. Oracle has yet to show any proof that google ever used the test-suite.
Fun fact: A distribution license for software product X doesn't apply to me if I don't distribute something derived from software product X.
Google used Apache Harmony as a base, which is Apache's implementation of the Java runtime and standard library under the Apache 2.0 license.
If Apache Harmony is based on OpenJDK, that's a clear GPL violation, as you're not allowed to change the license on products derived from GPL products, unless explicitly allowed by the copyright owner.
Apple continually pushes everyone to go get the latest and greatest every time a new iteration of a product comes out. Got that iPad six months ago? Come get the iPad 2! Got that Mac Book? Come get the Mac Book Pro! 10.5? That's ANCIENT! Come buy 10.7!
...and Microsoft doesn't? It used to be you'd have bi-yearly updates to Office. Did you think they were releasing them that often because they love us?
Also, with the exception of the gap between XP and Vista, Microsoft has had a new consumer OS every 2-3 years. Windows 3.0 in 1990, 3.1 in 1993, 95 in 1995, 98 in 1998, ME in 2000, XP in 2001, Vista in 2007, 7 in 2009, and 8 in 2011 (aka later this year).
The trend exists on the Workstation/Professional side of things, too, with larger than normal gaps between NT 4 and 2000, and XP and Vista.: Windows NT 3.1 in 1993, NT 3.5 in 1994, NT 3.51 in 1995, NT 4.0 in 1996, 2000 in 2000, XP in 2001, Vista in 2007, 7 in 2009, and 8 in 2011 (aka later this year).
On a side note, my aunt and uncle in their late 60s are also huge Ratchet & Clank fans. To the point where they bought a PS3 to continue on with the series, although my uncle also really likes the Uncharted series.
Having said that, I didn't recommend Demon's Souls to them, because I don't think they're big on blood and gore... and having not played DS myself, I couldn't tell them how gory it was.
CoD isn't the only game that has modifying classes.
Team Fortress 2 has a whole variety of unlockables, but most of them are balanced in some way or another.
For instance, TF2's Heavy (short for Heavy Weapons Guy) has 300 health (up from 125 base), but moves at 80%
He has a Minigun as his primary weapon. Miniguns are one of the strongest weapons in the game. They do damage in a cone shape out from the gun barrel. It takes a second or two to spin up before you can shoot with it, and you move slower while the gun is spinning (holding down the alt-fire button keeps the gun spinning while not shooting).
It has 3 unlockable replacements:
Natascha minigun, which slows players it hits but fires 25% slower and spins up 30% slower.
Brass Beast minigun, which deals 20% more damage, but spins up 50% slower, and you move 60% slower when it's spun up.
Tomislav minigun, which has a silent spinup, spins up 40% faster, but fires 20% slower.
Now, the Natascha was the first replacement introduced and has had several nerfs over its lifetime. Originally, there was no spin up reduction. It was added for balance reasons. More recently, the Tomislav was introduced, and within two weeks of its released, the spin up time increase got nearly halved (from 70% to 40%).
You'll notice that every primary unlock for the Heavy is a Minigun. This is intentional, as it balances out the Heavy's massive amounts of health, just like his movement speed is another balance. Slow Heavy = easy Sniper (instant-kill headshot) or Spy (instant-kill backstab) target.
In essence, TF2 is a gigantic balancing act, much more so than any other multiplayer FPS that I've seen.
Some classes even get alternative playstyles. It's possible to play a Demoman with a shield that allows you to charge (there are two, one hits people for damage, the other causes you to do critical hits with your weapons), boots that give you better turn control while charging, and a sword that converts ammo you pick up to health. Note that TF2 only has 3 inventory slots that you can modify, so a player doing this is a melee-only fighter.
I live in the Lansing, MI area, about 60 miles from Ann Arbor. I've never seen a Borders book store.
The booksellers I see here are Barnes & Noble and Schuler Books & Music (based in Grand Rapids, MI, 60 miles in the other direction).
Apparently we DID have some in the area under Borders other name, Waldenbooks, but those were tiny compared to the huge, sprawling stores the other two have... the closest Barnes and Nobles is a two-floor building in the middle of East Lansing, across from the Michigan State University campus.
Apps developed for the platform are not meant to be ported to any other Java runtime environments.
And apps written for MS's J++ weren't meant to be ported to any other Java runtime environment either. That was rather the point. And so, Sun sued them for it.
Seriously, did you even read what you were writing before posting it?
The only thing Google is doing differently is not calling it Java.
Windows still has the global volume setting as well. If you don't need the per-app volume settings, that's fine.
Having said that, there is one *other* thing this fixes: An app can no longer directly change the system's audio volume. Instead, it changes its own volume slider. This is a nice change for those of us who don't keep the Windows and app volumes cranked to 100%, but the app insists on cranking its up to 100%.
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This article seems to be confusing the number visitors with the number of registered users.
The source they're citing says visitors.
It's not much of a surprise that a new site by a popular brand would have a lot of people visiting their site in the first month.
If they boasted that many registered accounts in that time, it'd be even more impressive but, guess what, they didn't.
Or why doesn't Google buy Oracle NOW
Google can't afford Oracle.
You may think Google is some super huge corporation, but Oracle is a super huge corporation as well.
Not only that, but Oracle makes more money per year than Google does. Of course, they have less equity (thanks in part to them buying companies willy-nilly).
Java tends to accept... well, just Java. Maybe LLVM instead of CIL...
Just because there's only one "official" language that runs on the Java VM doesn't mean there aren't others, such as JRuby, Jython, etc... Wikipedia has a list.
So, Blizzard doesn't allow Real Money Trading in WoW, but is going to set up a system in Diablo 3 for that?
Only a month? I've seen computers go for ~9 months w/o an internet connection still able to play steam games offline. Technically, I think you can go as long as you want, Steam just has a minor issue where it deauthenticates for some reason (incidentally, I believe you can backup the user authorization files and reload them if this happens.)
I've never tried it, I was just going by what other people have said in the past.
I can play HL2 (or any other Steam game) for the PC for up to a month offline after initially activating it.
I can't play Assassin's Creed 2 or Driver: San Francisco for the PC offline for even 1 second.
If I'm not mistaken, mis-compiled loops are patented!
Yes, but by Microsoft, not Google. Since Microsoft consider Google to be Enemy #1, I doubt they'll help Google with it.
Then again, Oracle must be pretty high up on MS's enemy list, so maybe they'll sue over it themselves...
Except I called it the "it's still fucking Java" bug. That bug report didn't go over too well :P
Brendan Eich didn't like it when I filed a similar bug about JavaScript. And yes, I know the two aren't related.
I am ready to be modded troll for my beliefs.
Such bravery surely warrants an epic poem.
I can tell it's Friday... I read that as
"Such bravery surely warrants an epic porn."
At first I thought you were going to reward him, then I thought maybe you were being sarcastic and meant Goatse.
And then I read the message again and noticed it said poem.
Amazingly, the purchase prices directly correlate to the number of those games that were previously available for that OS.
5 of these games were available for Windows prior to this bundle: And Yet it Moves, VVVVVV, Cogs, Crayon Physics Deluxe, and Hammerfight.
3 of these games were available for Macs prior to this bundle: And Yet it Moves, VVVVVV, and Cogs.
1 of these games was available for Linux prior to this bundle: And Yet it Moves.
No, Mozilla is just trying to copy Google because they've run out of their own ideas failing to realize that this game of catchup they are trying to play is only going to lead to their downfall and irrelevance.
That and Firefox pretty much stole everything they could from Opera until Opera decides to actually innovate again rather than just sit there.
You make no sense. Android is a much more open platform than Oracle-owned Java will ever be.
Except when the company refuses to give us the source code.
With JavaSE, I can get the source code to the current Java version at any time, under the GPLv2 license from the Mercurial repository on the OpenJDK site. It's JavaME that's the problem there, because it's intentionally being withheld.
(JavaEE is being ignored here, as it's just a set of standards that has about 10 different implementations, half of which are open source).
... and privately Sun notified Google they would need to license it.
Citation needed. As far as I know Sun did not ask for any licensing until they were brought by Oracle, which was much later than the statement of congratulations. This is why the article says the principle of estoppel (you can't imply that something can be used for free then charge) might apply.
How about an article? Or Google's own lawyers saying that Sun offered to license Java to Google for $100 million, which is now part of the court record for the very case we're discussing, admitted as point of fact by the defendants attorneys?
If Apache Harmony is based on OpenJDK, that's a clear GPL violation, as you're not allowed to change the license on products derived from GPL products, unless explicitly allowed by the copyright owner.
But then that would be Apache who broke copyright, not Google.
That wasn't actually the point. Rather, the point is there to show that Android couldn't possibly be protected by the OpenJDK's license because Harmony isn't derived from OpenJDK. And, if Google tried to convince anyone otherwise, it'd be copyright infringement instead (and I imagine Apache would be quite ticked with Google if they tried to prove such.)
But hay, whatever you got to do to excuse away Apple, huh?
I sincerely hope you aren't trying to paint me as an apple supporter. I don't use any Apple products. My home gaming machine runs Windows 7, as does my laptop, my server machines run Linux (Debian usually, although I have one Ubuntu 10.04 LTS server).
Except the office updatres dont' cost money.
I'm not talking about service packs. It costs money to upgrade from Office 2000 to Office XP (2001) and again from Office 2001 to Office 2003, and again from Office 2003 to 2007, and again from Office 2007 to Office 2010.
And 3.1 was not a new OS. It was 3 with the network fixed.
3.1 changed quite a few things. One of which was the driver system. Windows 3.1 introduced the VxD system, which was also used in Win 95/98/ME.
It also introduced Multimedia Support, which was previously available as an addon to Window 3.0.
You're apparently thinking of Windows for Workgroups 3.1, which introduced networking to the 3.1 line.
And you are mixing consumer and serve OS's.
No I didn't. I didn't include server OSes at all, although they did match up with the WorkStation/Professional (or Business as Vista called it) line through Windows 2000.
"with the exception of the gap between XP and Vista,"
Except where they didn't, I right.
Yes, it's the exception, not the rule. It happened once in the last 9 Windows releases on the consumer side. And I can likely stretch that back to Windows 1.0 if need be.
Who cares if Android fragmented Java as a language.... Google is allowed.
Not according to previous litigation they aren't. And the US is a precedent-based legal system.
3) That java itself was GPL'd prior to the oracle acquisition and teh terms of that license provides blanket patent coverage over java itself, it's only the java test-suite (used for measuring compatibility) which is licensed differently (thus remaining patentable) and this is why code such as Apache Foundation's Harmony are safe - they don't do those tests. Oracle has yet to show any proof that google ever used the test-suite.
Fun fact: A distribution license for software product X doesn't apply to me if I don't distribute something derived from software product X.
Google used Apache Harmony as a base, which is Apache's implementation of the Java runtime and standard library under the Apache 2.0 license.
If Apache Harmony is based on OpenJDK, that's a clear GPL violation, as you're not allowed to change the license on products derived from GPL products, unless explicitly allowed by the copyright owner.
Google didn't just steal and ship Java - they improved upon it to actually be the first ones to make the promise of mobile Java a reality.
So... all those Blackberrys that run JavaME apps aren't a reality?
Up until quite recently, they outnumbered the Android phones.
Apple continually pushes everyone to go get the latest and greatest every time a new iteration of a product comes out. Got that iPad six months ago? Come get the iPad 2! Got that Mac Book? Come get the Mac Book Pro! 10.5? That's ANCIENT! Come buy 10.7!
...and Microsoft doesn't? It used to be you'd have bi-yearly updates to Office. Did you think they were releasing them that often because they love us?
Also, with the exception of the gap between XP and Vista, Microsoft has had a new consumer OS every 2-3 years. Windows 3.0 in 1990, 3.1 in 1993, 95 in 1995, 98 in 1998, ME in 2000, XP in 2001, Vista in 2007, 7 in 2009, and 8 in 2011 (aka later this year).
The trend exists on the Workstation/Professional side of things, too, with larger than normal gaps between NT 4 and 2000, and XP and Vista.:
Windows NT 3.1 in 1993, NT 3.5 in 1994, NT 3.51 in 1995, NT 4.0 in 1996, 2000 in 2000, XP in 2001, Vista in 2007, 7 in 2009, and 8 in 2011 (aka later this year).
On a side note, my aunt and uncle in their late 60s are also huge Ratchet & Clank fans. To the point where they bought a PS3 to continue on with the series, although my uncle also really likes the Uncharted series.
Having said that, I didn't recommend Demon's Souls to them, because I don't think they're big on blood and gore... and having not played DS myself, I couldn't tell them how gory it was.
CoD isn't the only game that has modifying classes.
Team Fortress 2 has a whole variety of unlockables, but most of them are balanced in some way or another.
For instance, TF2's Heavy (short for Heavy Weapons Guy) has 300 health (up from 125 base), but moves at 80%
He has a Minigun as his primary weapon. Miniguns are one of the strongest weapons in the game. They do damage in a cone shape out from the gun barrel. It takes a second or two to spin up before you can shoot with it, and you move slower while the gun is spinning (holding down the alt-fire button keeps the gun spinning while not shooting).
It has 3 unlockable replacements:
Now, the Natascha was the first replacement introduced and has had several nerfs over its lifetime. Originally, there was no spin up reduction. It was added for balance reasons. More recently, the Tomislav was introduced, and within two weeks of its released, the spin up time increase got nearly halved (from 70% to 40%).
You'll notice that every primary unlock for the Heavy is a Minigun. This is intentional, as it balances out the Heavy's massive amounts of health, just like his movement speed is another balance. Slow Heavy = easy Sniper (instant-kill headshot) or Spy (instant-kill backstab) target.
In essence, TF2 is a gigantic balancing act, much more so than any other multiplayer FPS that I've seen.
Some classes even get alternative playstyles. It's possible to play a Demoman with a shield that allows you to charge (there are two, one hits people for damage, the other causes you to do critical hits with your weapons), boots that give you better turn control while charging, and a sword that converts ammo you pick up to health. Note that TF2 only has 3 inventory slots that you can modify, so a player doing this is a melee-only fighter.
Fool me once, fool me twice...
No, no, no.... it's
"Fool me once, shame on... shame on you. Fool me... you can't get fooled again!" -- GW Bush
I live in the Lansing, MI area, about 60 miles from Ann Arbor. I've never seen a Borders book store.
The booksellers I see here are Barnes & Noble and Schuler Books & Music (based in Grand Rapids, MI, 60 miles in the other direction).
Apparently we DID have some in the area under Borders other name, Waldenbooks, but those were tiny compared to the huge, sprawling stores the other two have... the closest Barnes and Nobles is a two-floor building in the middle of East Lansing, across from the Michigan State University campus.
Apps developed for the platform are not meant to be ported to any other Java runtime environments.
And apps written for MS's J++ weren't meant to be ported to any other Java runtime environment either. That was rather the point. And so, Sun sued them for it.
Seriously, did you even read what you were writing before posting it?
The only thing Google is doing differently is not calling it Java.
Windows still has the global volume setting as well. If you don't need the per-app volume settings, that's fine.
Having said that, there is one *other* thing this fixes:
An app can no longer directly change the system's audio volume. Instead, it changes its own volume slider. This is a nice change for those of us who don't keep the Windows and app volumes cranked to 100%, but the app insists on cranking its up to 100%.