Well, back in my day, the parents of the child would sacrifice and save to BUY the kid things like bicycles and clothes, etc....
There was also probably more job security back in your day. Thus smartphones for children might be in part a workaround for the decline in labor union power.
Err...and how many bicycles could you buy for the price of a single smart phone?!?!?!?
I just looked at Academy Sports, decent bicycles, multi-speed ones even, are between $50-$100.
Hell, can you get a modern smart phone for that money??? Not to mention the monthly payments you have to spend for service??
Ditch the phone and get the kid a bike. They'll get more exercise, and be less depressed, and *gasp* actually have to learn interpersonal skills in real meatspace with other kids!!!
Back when I was in school, you could bring your rifle during hunting season as long as you left it in your car. And there was a smoking area for students.
Oh so much THIS!!
Yep, most every pickup in the student (HS) parking lot had gun racks in them with loaded rifles, especially during deer season.
No problems, no one got shot. Hell, not to get into it, you had MUCH more easy access to firearms, yet, no one was mass shooting anyone, it seems to be more of a people problem than gun access problem these days.
But that's a different argment.
And yes, smoking was just outside the doors of the school....and it was an open campus, you could come and go as you wished. I think we actually did have student IDs, but they were only checked if you had a free meal at lunch or something, never for entrance or exit.
Hell, in the parking lot in the mornings...it was always a permanent haze, from various types of smoke, as you played frisbee before class. IN those days, you learned to throw the frisbee good enough NOT to hit cars as that that might get you into an ass whooping situation.
:)
In general when I was in High School, you were treated more like a college student than a school child.
But then who pays for a bike before the student is old enough to be employed, particularly if another child in the same neighborhood already snapped up all the lawns to mow and sidewalks to shovel?
Well, back in my day, the parents of the child would sacrifice and save to BUY the kid things like bicycles and clothes, etc....
They don't do that these days?
Last time I looked, a basic bicycle didn't cost an arm and a leg. Hell, don't go to McDonalds for a month or so, and you could get close to money for a basic bicycle.
Each student then needs a way to contact someone in case of a bicycle accident or some other way to get a ride in case of a thunderstorm or other weather not conducive to cycling
My God...how did we EVER make alive to adulthood in the (not so long ago) days before cell phones of any type????
I dunno, back in the day before cell phones, we were playing paper football with each other or something distracting like that.
Hell, I remember back in the day, when the first LED Mattel Football handheld game came out.
Our schools finally put bans on us bringing them into school.
Kids will be kids, but I do feel that those distractions weren't quite so engrossing and distracting for as long a period of time. You could do a little paper football, then back to class attention and then come back and finish paper football game.
With cell phones...I see them with heads stooped over the phones with a constant stare and no break in attention to the outside world at all for long periods of time.
I am SOOOOooooo glad I grew up in the days before cell phones, cameras everywhere and social media.
We got to actually grow up and enjoy things as a kid, and to learn more quickly (I think) about independence and self sufficiency.
And at the very least....we weren't tracked everywhere, and could get into a bit more mischief and the world didn't end for any of us.
I've recently visiting with friends I've known since I was about 11yrs old, and we were talking old times, our exploits (we still remember some), and decided that some of the shit we pulled back in the day, would have put us on a terrorist watch list today?!?!
Hell, the way our parents let us alone in the neighborhood to run around "unsupervised" would today likely have had us taken by social services and put into freakin' foster care.
I don't get it, but man, I'm sure glad I grew up when I did. I was nice to NOT be in touch, to have an excuse to NOT be reachable by parents, etc.
And most of all....no one generally had a damned camera around to get pictures of you, and publish them where you might not only get into trouble right then....but also to maybe haunt you later in life.
I'm glad I've grown up to see the rise of the internet and lots of tech, but man...I feel for the kids today as that they have lost something....
The classical music was just meant to be 'placeholder' music, for use in the 'silent' scenes while Alex North worked on the score he had been commissioned to write. In the end, Kubrick decided he liked the classical pieces more, and that's what he went with.
That's interesting!!
Was any of the original score recorded?
Was it all written?
I'd really be interested in hearing what the score for the movie would have been!!!
I've read that the people working on 2001 denied that the fact that HAL was one letter off each from IBM was not a purposeful intention.....what do you think?
I find it hard to believe, as much as the Beatles denying that Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds had no reference at all to LSD....?
In the movie the actions didn't make sense. After deactivating HAL, I got no motivation to want to fly the Pod into the monolith. Was it a sense of duty to complete the mission? Was he just trying to kill himself from a mission with no way back? Being that the actors were directed to act near emotionless, there is little understanding on the action, just from the movie alone.
I saw the movie as a very young boy, my Dad took us to see it when Mom needed us out of the house for a bit.
I followed it mostly I remember in the theater then, until the very end.
For years after, whenever it was shown on TV...I'd watch it and I got most of it, except the end.
I finally bought the book, read it, and was a bit disappointed at again at the end....didn't really explain the star child thing from what I remember.
Now....over the years, I take it to be the next step in the evolution of Man as aided by some alien form.
I dabble in video, and work in After Effects, etc. To this day, so many of the effect of this 60's movie still stand today as pretty darned good!! We didn't really see another leap in special effects till we got Star Wars in what...'76?
Over the past years, I've gotten a bit of an interest in Kubrick. I've been reading and watching those that analyze him and his films.
I'd not say I"m a HUGE fan, but more and more as I watch and re-watch his films, I must admit I watch looking for things in them.
Full Metal Jacket....wow, some parts just inspired, especially the first part.
The Shining - whatever you think of how Kubrick messed with King's story, if nothing else, the analyzation and supposed "hidden' messages in the movie by some border on the level of conspiracy theory (is it really tied to Kubrick faking the moon landings??). I don't buy into most of it, but when you know what to look for, there is some really WEIRD stuff in the movie. The layout of the Overlook hotel for instance, that quick scene with the guy in a bear costume that's been going down on another man in a room with the door open, etc.
On that one, with Kubrick usually being such a stickler for details...the things that are in the Shining, well, so different of him to let those go that many think they are there for a reason.
If nothing else, makes for fun reading and watching of analysis.
Dr. Strangelove - Im' still trying to figure that one out.
Barry Lyndon - Whew..that is LONG and hard to watch, BUT...I'm still fascinated that Kubrick basically got ahold of a customized NASA lens with a max aperture of f/0.7 , so that the scenes lit only by candle light...were lit ONLY by candle light on the set.
Pretty amazing stuff there for that alone.
Clockwork Orange - Well, I need to watch that a few more times.
I'll be honest, I'm just a novice when it comes to films, I watch all these...and of late, now I"m reading about them, and looking at them with different eyes so to speak, and well....its interesting and in some way fascinating if, for nothing else, the technical aspects of his lighting, framing and VFX of the day that were often groundbreaking.
I now like to look for all the leading lines (One Point Perspective?) in the framing of scenes.
A lot of interesting stuff, in a lot of movies that on first glance, look kinda plain.....and simple.
Wow..really? Do that many people really use Chrome as their browser of choice?
I know my experience is purely anecdotal, but I don't know any of my peers that use it and I work in IT.
I've pretty much stuck with FireFox since it came out, and use IE when I absolutely have to, and safari when I'm on a mac (or firefox).
I've tried chrome a time or two way back, but at that time it seemed so different than FF (almost no buttons)...so, I never really went back to it...I just mostly use FF and update it as needed.
Maybe it's an old person thing?
Heck, in some jobs I've worked (government) you have to get special dispensation to install chrome ON your furnished computer....
Or maybe its a specialized version of the MacBook Air without support for Windows? The MacBook (non-Pro) and MacBook Air are getting a bit too similar. Perhaps the Air will be dropped or morph into a specialized high endurance machine (long battery life) for people who only want macOS?
Do chromebooks run Windows?
I just did a quick glance and on the chromebook page it didn't appear to run windows...so, if google can do it without win support, why not Apple?
Hell, looks more and more like MS is trying to get out of the windows game these days, so maybe by the time this thing might come about, losing win support might not be a big deal?
When you calculate your rate, I hope you incorporate all hours doing paperwork, promoting yourself. When you're a corporation you basically have three jobs on top of your one job so the wage had better be enough for four jobs. Plus health coverage.
Actually, yes I do....indeed one has to put on their "big boy pants", and take responsibility for the planning, paperwork, promotion....paying monthly and quarterly taxes (payroll, etc)...and insurance, AND invest your retirement money.
It isn't for everyone, but it isn't rocket surgery either.
That's why your society is on its way down the toilet.
I'm a bit more optimistic, I don't necessarily think it is on its way down the toilet, but I do see decline.
I think the decline IS due to the more "progressive" teachings that have now taken ahold of the last couple generations.
Kids are no longer being raised to respect elders or each other, they don't value education. We've systematically been deterring boys from becoming men, and feminizing them. We've been more and more, pushing people into the government hand out lines and mentality. People don't value life as much anymore...etc.
The US isn't nearly as homogeneous in its general thinking as it once was.....diversity has divided in many ways, but that comes with the territory somewhat I guess. But whereas it largely was a united country along basic, basic lines....we have been fractionalized (is that a word?), and with 24/7 news and social medial, each small fraction just listens and feeds to itself, and if you say something different, you get shouted down rather than allowing conversations to find happy mediums between views.
It doesn't have to be that way -- we can decide as a society that everyone's basic rights do include affordable access to healthcare, for instance. Yes, that means people will have to pay taxes and such. But that doesn't make it impossible to accomplish.
Sorry, I don't buy into it.
I really am not my brothers keeper, and the US was not set up to, by force of law, redistribute wealth in order to make me be my brothers keeper.
It was set up to let the individualist succeed.
I"m not completely cold hearted, I don't have a problem with a basic social safety net for the elderly or truly infirmed....those that cannot take care of themselves and work, but for everyone else that is able bodied? You're responsible for yourself....live with your life decisions, and don't bother me.
I love to give and help out my family and friends, but there's no compelling reason for me to be forced to support others who can take care of themselves or should depend on their families/friends for help.
The US was built on the individual....and the more we keep forgetting that, the faster we are going downhill.
Are you willing to say that it's OK that some people, no matter how hard they work, have to live on the margins?
Well, "that's life"....and it always has been.
Not everyone is born equal, not with equal physical or mental faculties, and yes, some are luckier than others.
But that is nature and that is human life and has been since the dawn of time.
Nothing is going to change that...the best you can do is offer conditions so that people can use their gifts they do have, and figure out and struggle to better themselves.
But life is tough....and life doesn't owe you a damned thing.
National insurance works pretty well. Just ask those damn socialist countries like the UK, Germany, Sweden, Netherlands, etc.
Well, if the US were to stop using OUR military funded from OUR taxes here to run protection for Europe and many other places around the world...and those countries then had to spend their own tax dollars for their own defense, I think we'd see them having to maybe pull back on all the "free" socialist health offerings.
Frankly, I'm all for it.....let them see how it does without this "hidden" subsidy they have to their economy from the US.
I always thought that freelancing should pay better than a salaried job,
It can and often does....you just need to have skills valuable enough to commend the bill rate that can sustain you as a full time "gig".
If you aren't making that kind of $$ doing 1099, then you face facts that this is either just extra income to embellish the regular W2 job you really need, or you just find it isn't worth your time.
We should all be adults here, and these are very simple and plain choices to make here.
For many workers this is exactly what it means. They do not make enough money to buy health insurance or save for retirement. Individual choice is limited by how much money you have.
Err...because in the real ADULT world of work, especially if you incorporate and do 1099 contract work, you'd better put on your big boy pants, and realize to do it full time, you need to learn to find jobs that have a high enough bill rate that you can negotiate for your needs.
This isn't rocket surgery, you need to figure what you need for expenses, (your salary you pay to yourself), and also out of that bill rate you figure in enough for you to take off maybe 3 weeks a year for vacation/sick leave...you set up a HSA (Health Savings Account) and fully fund it pre-tax with money you put into your bill rate to pay routine medical expenses, and finally..yes, you calculate enough into your bill rate to pay for medical insurance.
If you are not working in an area that you can bill that much, then you have a couple of choices...work multiple gigs at once that can pay this amount totaled together, or realize this is just side money, and you need a W2 regular job until you are valuable enough with your skills to negotiate jobs that pay enough to do 1099 full time.
This isn't for everyone.
But if you are an adult, can act like an adult....and take care of yourself, your work, paperwork, taxes, etc....it can be a fulfilling work lifestyle, it can be lucrative and there is a good amount of freedom to enjoy from it.
I personally like the S-corp filing for my business....extra paperwork etc....BUT, it allows me to save substantially on how much of my bill rate I have to pay in employment taxes (SS/medicare)....
But again, this isn't for everyone....you have to know what you cost to live, and bill accordingly and hunt only jobs that pay that much...otherwise, this is not a full time "gig" for you.
MS Azure is an immature environment, especially on the government side.
If you are a pure MS shop, then it may work better for you, BUT, if you have RHEL or other linux servers, get ready for a bit of hell trying to get things to work.
If you must go to the cloud, and use anything besides MS windows, you should probably consider AWS if that is a choice you can take.
The "whining" is comments like "We shouldn't be saddling kids with mountains of student loan debt in order for them to pass the basic entry requirements to a better life".
Nope....the whining I was referring to were things like an earlier post I replied to was that "Ugh...9am is too early in the morning for me to try to make it in to work".
That kinda crap....whining that they actually have to show up regular hours and actually put in work and potentially have to do things that they don't like or doesn't interest them, in order to make a living.
Whining basically that the world doesn't cater to them.
You know, the monumentally stupid thing about this particular insult is it was not the kids deciding to hand out participation trophies. After all, they were kids and weren't handing out anything.
While I agree fully is was the latest generation of parents that did this....I'm arguing that the kids raised that way, need to learn REALLY quick that that shit isn't going to cut it in the real world, and the faster they learn and accept that, the faster they will be able to get out there, work and earn a good living.
Regardless of who caused them to think that, the point is, to learn quickly to quit whining about it, quit using excuses, and learn to deal with it and succeed.
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I wonder who pissed her off?
Err...and how many bicycles could you buy for the price of a single smart phone?!?!?!?
I just looked at Academy Sports, decent bicycles, multi-speed ones even, are between $50-$100.
Hell, can you get a modern smart phone for that money??? Not to mention the monthly payments you have to spend for service??
Ditch the phone and get the kid a bike. They'll get more exercise, and be less depressed, and *gasp* actually have to learn interpersonal skills in real meatspace with other kids!!!
Oh so much THIS!!
Yep, most every pickup in the student (HS) parking lot had gun racks in them with loaded rifles, especially during deer season.
No problems, no one got shot. Hell, not to get into it, you had MUCH more easy access to firearms, yet, no one was mass shooting anyone, it seems to be more of a people problem than gun access problem these days.
But that's a different argment.
And yes, smoking was just outside the doors of the school....and it was an open campus, you could come and go as you wished. I think we actually did have student IDs, but they were only checked if you had a free meal at lunch or something, never for entrance or exit.
Hell, in the parking lot in the mornings...it was always a permanent haze, from various types of smoke, as you played frisbee before class. IN those days, you learned to throw the frisbee good enough NOT to hit cars as that that might get you into an ass whooping situation.
In general when I was in High School, you were treated more like a college student than a school child.
Get someone to tag these items, if on pole, and allow the populace to use them for target practice!!
Two birds, One stone...
Well, back in my day, the parents of the child would sacrifice and save to BUY the kid things like bicycles and clothes, etc....
They don't do that these days?
Last time I looked, a basic bicycle didn't cost an arm and a leg. Hell, don't go to McDonalds for a month or so, and you could get close to money for a basic bicycle.
My God...how did we EVER make alive to adulthood in the (not so long ago) days before cell phones of any type????
Hell, I remember back in the day, when the first LED Mattel Football handheld game came out.
Our schools finally put bans on us bringing them into school.
Kids will be kids, but I do feel that those distractions weren't quite so engrossing and distracting for as long a period of time. You could do a little paper football, then back to class attention and then come back and finish paper football game.
With cell phones...I see them with heads stooped over the phones with a constant stare and no break in attention to the outside world at all for long periods of time.
We got to actually grow up and enjoy things as a kid, and to learn more quickly (I think) about independence and self sufficiency.
And at the very least....we weren't tracked everywhere, and could get into a bit more mischief and the world didn't end for any of us.
I've recently visiting with friends I've known since I was about 11yrs old, and we were talking old times, our exploits (we still remember some), and decided that some of the shit we pulled back in the day, would have put us on a terrorist watch list today?!?!
Hell, the way our parents let us alone in the neighborhood to run around "unsupervised" would today likely have had us taken by social services and put into freakin' foster care.
I don't get it, but man, I'm sure glad I grew up when I did. I was nice to NOT be in touch, to have an excuse to NOT be reachable by parents, etc.
And most of all....no one generally had a damned camera around to get pictures of you, and publish them where you might not only get into trouble right then....but also to maybe haunt you later in life.
I'm glad I've grown up to see the rise of the internet and lots of tech, but man...I feel for the kids today as that they have lost something....
That's interesting!!
Was any of the original score recorded?
Was it all written?
I'd really be interested in hearing what the score for the movie would have been!!!
I find it hard to believe, as much as the Beatles denying that Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds had no reference at all to LSD....?
I saw the movie as a very young boy, my Dad took us to see it when Mom needed us out of the house for a bit.
I followed it mostly I remember in the theater then, until the very end.
For years after, whenever it was shown on TV...I'd watch it and I got most of it, except the end.
I finally bought the book, read it, and was a bit disappointed at again at the end....didn't really explain the star child thing from what I remember.
Now....over the years, I take it to be the next step in the evolution of Man as aided by some alien form.
I dabble in video, and work in After Effects, etc. To this day, so many of the effect of this 60's movie still stand today as pretty darned good!! We didn't really see another leap in special effects till we got Star Wars in what...'76?
Over the past years, I've gotten a bit of an interest in Kubrick. I've been reading and watching those that analyze him and his films.
I'd not say I"m a HUGE fan, but more and more as I watch and re-watch his films, I must admit I watch looking for things in them.
Full Metal Jacket....wow, some parts just inspired, especially the first part.
The Shining - whatever you think of how Kubrick messed with King's story, if nothing else, the analyzation and supposed "hidden' messages in the movie by some border on the level of conspiracy theory (is it really tied to Kubrick faking the moon landings??). I don't buy into most of it, but when you know what to look for, there is some really WEIRD stuff in the movie. The layout of the Overlook hotel for instance, that quick scene with the guy in a bear costume that's been going down on another man in a room with the door open, etc.
On that one, with Kubrick usually being such a stickler for details...the things that are in the Shining, well, so different of him to let those go that many think they are there for a reason.
If nothing else, makes for fun reading and watching of analysis.
Dr. Strangelove - Im' still trying to figure that one out.
Barry Lyndon - Whew..that is LONG and hard to watch, BUT...I'm still fascinated that Kubrick basically got ahold of a customized NASA lens with a max aperture of f/0.7 , so that the scenes lit only by candle light...were lit ONLY by candle light on the set.
Pretty amazing stuff there for that alone.
Clockwork Orange - Well, I need to watch that a few more times.
I'll be honest, I'm just a novice when it comes to films, I watch all these...and of late, now I"m reading about them, and looking at them with different eyes so to speak, and well....its interesting and in some way fascinating if, for nothing else, the technical aspects of his lighting, framing and VFX of the day that were often groundbreaking.
I now like to look for all the leading lines (One Point Perspective?) in the framing of scenes.
A lot of interesting stuff, in a lot of movies that on first glance, look kinda plain.....and simple.
Wow..really? Do that many people really use Chrome as their browser of choice?
I know my experience is purely anecdotal, but I don't know any of my peers that use it and I work in IT.
I've pretty much stuck with FireFox since it came out, and use IE when I absolutely have to, and safari when I'm on a mac (or firefox).
I've tried chrome a time or two way back, but at that time it seemed so different than FF (almost no buttons)...so, I never really went back to it...I just mostly use FF and update it as needed.
Maybe it's an old person thing?
Heck, in some jobs I've worked (government) you have to get special dispensation to install chrome ON your furnished computer....
Do chromebooks run Windows?
I just did a quick glance and on the chromebook page it didn't appear to run windows...so, if google can do it without win support, why not Apple?
Hell, looks more and more like MS is trying to get out of the windows game these days, so maybe by the time this thing might come about, losing win support might not be a big deal?
Perhaps we could consider that everyone being "overly connected" is one of the problems we have today in the first place....?
Actually, yes I do....indeed one has to put on their "big boy pants", and take responsibility for the planning, paperwork, promotion....paying monthly and quarterly taxes (payroll, etc)...and insurance, AND invest your retirement money.
It isn't for everyone, but it isn't rocket surgery either.
Almost nothing nice comes without some effort.
I'm a bit more optimistic, I don't necessarily think it is on its way down the toilet, but I do see decline.
I think the decline IS due to the more "progressive" teachings that have now taken ahold of the last couple generations.
Kids are no longer being raised to respect elders or each other, they don't value education. We've systematically been deterring boys from becoming men, and feminizing them. We've been more and more, pushing people into the government hand out lines and mentality. People don't value life as much anymore...etc.
The US isn't nearly as homogeneous in its general thinking as it once was.....diversity has divided in many ways, but that comes with the territory somewhat I guess. But whereas it largely was a united country along basic, basic lines....we have been fractionalized (is that a word?), and with 24/7 news and social medial, each small fraction just listens and feeds to itself, and if you say something different, you get shouted down rather than allowing conversations to find happy mediums between views.
Sorry, I don't buy into it.
I really am not my brothers keeper, and the US was not set up to, by force of law, redistribute wealth in order to make me be my brothers keeper.
It was set up to let the individualist succeed.
I"m not completely cold hearted, I don't have a problem with a basic social safety net for the elderly or truly infirmed....those that cannot take care of themselves and work, but for everyone else that is able bodied? You're responsible for yourself....live with your life decisions, and don't bother me.
I love to give and help out my family and friends, but there's no compelling reason for me to be forced to support others who can take care of themselves or should depend on their families/friends for help.
The US was built on the individual....and the more we keep forgetting that, the faster we are going downhill.
Well, "that's life"....and it always has been.
Not everyone is born equal, not with equal physical or mental faculties, and yes, some are luckier than others.
But that is nature and that is human life and has been since the dawn of time.
Nothing is going to change that...the best you can do is offer conditions so that people can use their gifts they do have, and figure out and struggle to better themselves.
But life is tough....and life doesn't owe you a damned thing.
Well, if the US were to stop using OUR military funded from OUR taxes here to run protection for Europe and many other places around the world...and those countries then had to spend their own tax dollars for their own defense, I think we'd see them having to maybe pull back on all the "free" socialist health offerings.
Frankly, I'm all for it.....let them see how it does without this "hidden" subsidy they have to their economy from the US.
It can and often does....you just need to have skills valuable enough to commend the bill rate that can sustain you as a full time "gig".
If you aren't making that kind of $$ doing 1099, then you face facts that this is either just extra income to embellish the regular W2 job you really need, or you just find it isn't worth your time.
We should all be adults here, and these are very simple and plain choices to make here.
No one is holding a gun to your head to do this.
Err...because in the real ADULT world of work, especially if you incorporate and do 1099 contract work, you'd better put on your big boy pants, and realize to do it full time, you need to learn to find jobs that have a high enough bill rate that you can negotiate for your needs.
This isn't rocket surgery, you need to figure what you need for expenses, (your salary you pay to yourself), and also out of that bill rate you figure in enough for you to take off maybe 3 weeks a year for vacation/sick leave...you set up a HSA (Health Savings Account) and fully fund it pre-tax with money you put into your bill rate to pay routine medical expenses, and finally..yes, you calculate enough into your bill rate to pay for medical insurance.
If you are not working in an area that you can bill that much, then you have a couple of choices...work multiple gigs at once that can pay this amount totaled together, or realize this is just side money, and you need a W2 regular job until you are valuable enough with your skills to negotiate jobs that pay enough to do 1099 full time.
This isn't for everyone.
But if you are an adult, can act like an adult....and take care of yourself, your work, paperwork, taxes, etc....it can be a fulfilling work lifestyle, it can be lucrative and there is a good amount of freedom to enjoy from it.
I personally like the S-corp filing for my business....extra paperwork etc....BUT, it allows me to save substantially on how much of my bill rate I have to pay in employment taxes (SS/medicare)....
But again, this isn't for everyone....you have to know what you cost to live, and bill accordingly and hunt only jobs that pay that much...otherwise, this is not a full time "gig" for you.
Even though you can do more with a mac (or even an iPad, especially the iPad pro)....chromebook is still better?
If you are a pure MS shop, then it may work better for you, BUT, if you have RHEL or other linux servers, get ready for a bit of hell trying to get things to work.
If you must go to the cloud, and use anything besides MS windows, you should probably consider AWS if that is a choice you can take.
Nope....the whining I was referring to were things like an earlier post I replied to was that "Ugh...9am is too early in the morning for me to try to make it in to work".
That kinda crap....whining that they actually have to show up regular hours and actually put in work and potentially have to do things that they don't like or doesn't interest them, in order to make a living.
Whining basically that the world doesn't cater to them.
While I agree fully is was the latest generation of parents that did this....I'm arguing that the kids raised that way, need to learn REALLY quick that that shit isn't going to cut it in the real world, and the faster they learn and accept that, the faster they will be able to get out there, work and earn a good living.
Regardless of who caused them to think that, the point is, to learn quickly to quit whining about it, quit using excuses, and learn to deal with it and succeed.