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Update: Possible Active Shooter Reported at YouTube HQ (theverge.com)
Police have responded to multiple 911 calls at YouTube headquarters in San Bruno, California. From a report: Vadim Lavrusik, a product manager at the company, tweeted that there is an active shooter on campus. The San Bruno Police Department instructed people to stay away from 901 Cherry Avenue, where the company is located. Multiple 911 calls have been received from inside the building, according to a report from local news station KRON. In a Twitter thread, YouTube product manager Todd Sherman said that employees first thought there had been an earthquake. People began running out of their meetings, he said, but before reaching the exit, they got word that someone had a gun. Sherman said he saw blood on the floor and the stairs. He also said the shooter may have committed suicide. Vadim Lavrusik, who works at YouTube's products team, tweeted, "Active shooter at YouTube HQ. Heard shots and saw people running while at my desk. Now barricaded inside a room with coworkers."
Update 20:30 GMT: Google has issued the following statement, "we are coordinating with authorities and will provide official information here from Google and YouTube as it becomes available." San Bruno Police said it was "responding to an active shooter. Please stay away from Cherry Ave & Bay Hill Drive."
Update 20:40 GMT: CBS San Francisco reports: KPIX 5 reporter Andria Borba said at least two Homeland Security units were responding. Police radio transmissions describe casualties being taken to local hospitals. San Francisco General Hospital spokesman Brent Andrew said the hospital received patients from the incident but could not confirm a number. Update 21:20 GMT: ABC News is reporting that the suspected shooter is a white adult female, and that this is "leaning towards a workplace violence situation."
Update 21:30 GMT: Law enforcement has confirmed that the shooter was a white female dressed in a headscarf. The woman reportedly shot her boyfriend then herself. It's unclear exactly how many people have been injured, but early reports estimate at least 9-10 victims. There is no word on their conditions.
Update 03:10 GMT: ABC7 News is reporting that the shooter has been identified as Nasim Aghdam. She reportedly had a website with an alleged manifesto that targeted YouTube for censorship and demonetization of her video content. Contrary to previous reports, she is said to have no relationship with anyone in the YouTube facility.
UPDATE 03:40 GMT: Aghdam's website can be found here.
Update 04:15 GMT: The shooter is believed to have known at least one of the victims, two law enforcement officials told CNN. Other sources suggest the shooter drove up from San Diego. YouTube says her YouTube channel "has been terminated due to multiple or severe violations of YouTube's policy against spam, deceptive practices, and misleading content or other Terms of Service violations."
Update 20:30 GMT: Google has issued the following statement, "we are coordinating with authorities and will provide official information here from Google and YouTube as it becomes available." San Bruno Police said it was "responding to an active shooter. Please stay away from Cherry Ave & Bay Hill Drive."
Update 20:40 GMT: CBS San Francisco reports: KPIX 5 reporter Andria Borba said at least two Homeland Security units were responding. Police radio transmissions describe casualties being taken to local hospitals. San Francisco General Hospital spokesman Brent Andrew said the hospital received patients from the incident but could not confirm a number. Update 21:20 GMT: ABC News is reporting that the suspected shooter is a white adult female, and that this is "leaning towards a workplace violence situation."
Update 21:30 GMT: Law enforcement has confirmed that the shooter was a white female dressed in a headscarf. The woman reportedly shot her boyfriend then herself. It's unclear exactly how many people have been injured, but early reports estimate at least 9-10 victims. There is no word on their conditions.
Update 03:10 GMT: ABC7 News is reporting that the shooter has been identified as Nasim Aghdam. She reportedly had a website with an alleged manifesto that targeted YouTube for censorship and demonetization of her video content. Contrary to previous reports, she is said to have no relationship with anyone in the YouTube facility.
UPDATE 03:40 GMT: Aghdam's website can be found here.
Update 04:15 GMT: The shooter is believed to have known at least one of the victims, two law enforcement officials told CNN. Other sources suggest the shooter drove up from San Diego. YouTube says her YouTube channel "has been terminated due to multiple or severe violations of YouTube's policy against spam, deceptive practices, and misleading content or other Terms of Service violations."
'Tubes or it didn't happen.
DisGUNtled coworker??
Maybe someone finally really showed looking up for their "Internet money". (South Park reference that I'm too lazy to attach.)
Seems like a job likely to cause a person to snap:
https://www.buzzfeed.com/reyha...
https://tech.slashdot.org/stor...
"When information is power, privacy is freedom" - Jah-Wren Ryel
I'm very interested in the motive of the shooter. Employee going postal? Relationship revenge?
Or someone "fighting back" because YouTube took down/put out new rules about firearm videos? (And, in usual YouTube scorched-earth fashion, they completely overreacted.)
I suppose that makes me callous, but mass shootings are so common in the US that I don't feel anything for the actual loss of life.
Didn't California ban active shooters in the state?
If it did then the police would have a high suicide rate.
Channel pages were down yesterday.
Can anyone else not see any replies to that tweet? I can see the count, but none of the actual replies. Is there some kind of filter/censor being applied?
California has pretty strict gun laws. How could anyone get a gun to YouTube HQ?
Yeah, that's literally the only possible explanation here. Fuck you.
Gotta link?
Isn't going into YouTube HQ with a loaded gun and shooting people a violation of the terms of service?
Does this gunman not understand that this will almost certainly result in a strike against his account?
Talk about reckless!
More likely:
(1) YouTube bans (most) gun videos.
(2) Gun nuts get mad.
(3) One of them decides to shoot up the place.
...but is it being live streamed?
America really needs to address its guns issue.
America does not have a gun issue. 299,999,950 of the 300,000,000 guns won't kill anyone today. America has a people issue.
No, only single use straws.
I'm sure he'll stand down just as soon as the police let him know he's breaking the law.
There's literally more guns than population in the USA.
Wake the fuck up, PLEASE.
Apparently a woman in some sort of black head covering... but who knows the media always get this stuff wrong as they leap to be the first to provide info.
Didn't California ban active shooters in the state?
Nope.
According to Diane Feinstein:
We have federal regulations and state laws that prohibit hunting ducks with more than three rounds. And yet it's legal to hunt humans with 15-round, 30-round, even 150-round magazines.
...to a nicer company, yeah?
In the US, people can freely cross borders between states. That's why Chicago has such terrible gun violence despite having strict(er) gun laws than neighboring states/cities.
I don't respond to AC's.
No problem, I've got two hands.
Common sense would say that regular employees (not members of the security staff) carrying guns inside of companies is useless, absurd and insane.
Link above was mangled, here's the real link:
Feinstein quotes
Sounds like a false flag to drum up support for their plan.
You are a garbage human.
I don't respond to AC's.
In the US, people can freely cross borders between states. That's why Chicago has such terrible gun violence despite having strict(er) gun laws than neighboring states/cities.
Then why does Texas have so much less? Or New Hampshire?
Imagine your job is to review cat videos.
All day, every day.
Cats sleeping, cats jumping, cats getting scared, cats attacking, cats fighting, cats hunting birds, etc.
Now, wouldn't that make you crazy and want to shoot the place up?
When Fascism comes to America, it will call itself Anti-Fascism, and tell you to give up your guns.
You're a retard.
Well that, or some random just went crazy. Possibly among the companies own personal.
One thing for certain though: this will go political in about 5 fucking minutes.
False flag nonsense is exactly that. Nonsense. How you were modded up is beyond me.
I'll buy the possibility of someone angry at YouTube over recent policy who decided to go shoot up the place, but they'd have to get past security to even get at people. It's far more likely that it's a disgruntled employee.
Was she selling snacks by any chance?
When Fascism comes to America, it will call itself Anti-Fascism, and tell you to give up your guns.
No, but they do need to have a label indicating that they've been found to cause cancer in the state of California.
(1) Slashdot post about a tweet
(2) Your post follows
(3) Then some troll post garbage
Sounds like a false flag to drum up support for your plan. I am just not sure when you got PROFIT!
Because their hoodlums go out of state to but weapons?
Sounds like they have a problem with Hoodlums.
When Fascism comes to America, it will call itself Anti-Fascism, and tell you to give up your guns.
corporations should refrain from antagonizing people.
Fuck you. That's never a justification for violence. Ever.
Asshole.
I don't respond to AC's.
There's literally more guns than population in the USA.
Exactly why is that a problem?
California also has some of the strictest gun control laws in the country. Yeah, more laws should do the trick.
Send a note to Antifa, BLM, BAMN, various Democrat Activists. ...never a justification for violence.
Nonsense. If that were true the level of gun violence in those neighboring areas would be much higher.
Right -- You can't trust a fellow employee to remember their own user name, or small basics like not stuffing paper towels down a toilet, so it totally makes sense that you see no problem with having every untrained, undocumented idiot brandish a firearm in the cubicle next to you.
You say that as if it were a problem....
Its this line of thinking that leads to shootings and murder. When you see fellow humans as garbage.
Did I say it was? Or did I in fact imply it was not?
None -- A random Islamist visiting Syria
Police were seen laying down evidence markers near the seating area of the cafe.
I've seen epic McDonald's fights over the lack of bacon on an Egg McMuffin. No telling what can happen if they put mustard on a burger when you said, "No Mustard"
When Fascism comes to America, it will call itself Anti-Fascism, and tell you to give up your guns.
And what did Slashdot do that was wrong here?
Ninjas?
Yes, you directly compared murdering people with guns to antagonizing people with terms of service.
It's just stupidity all around. People shouldn't shoot up offices and schools, and corporations should refrain from antagonizing people.
I don't respond to AC's.
In the US, people can freely cross borders between states. That's why Chicago has such terrible gun violence despite having strict(er) gun laws than neighboring states/cities.
So, the criminals get their guns from the surrounding places where the gun laws are lax and everybody has and sells guns. They take these guns into Chicago and commit violent offenses with them, and Chicago's crime rate soars, even though Chicago has the tough gun laws. QUESTION: Why is the crime rate LOW in those adjacent territories where the gun laws are lax and all the guns are in the first place?
Sadly, they wouldn't be completely wrong. Google does censor, and Youtube content policies have become more restrictive over time.
While there will much talk about this being another reason to "ban" guns, that opens the door to explosives. The worst school killing in U.S. history back in 1927 (yes, 1927) was done with explosives: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bath_School_disaster
The, still unsolved, Wall Street bombing in 1920 is another example of explosives to kill many: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wall_Street_bombing
Point is that banning guns won't solve the problem, and could actually make it worse. Firearms are already well regulated (20,000+ laws on the books) at federal, state, and local level. In addition, often when one goes on a shooting rampage, the death toll is often in the single digits to teens verses multiple dozens or more that's common with explosives.
Likely the shooter(s) is a disgruntled employee, or a partner of an employee seeking revenge, or a crazed shooter already well known to authorities. My guess is the latter as if so often the case.
Captcha: retrain (how does Slashdot come up with these lol!)
Guess not. They should get on that. Right after they put Prop 65 warnings on coffee cups.
Vadim Lavrusik, who works at YouTube's products team, tweeted, "Active shooter at YouTube HQ. Heard shots and saw people running while at my desk. Now barricaded inside a room with coworkers."
Do you all realize one of the downsides of Apple's all-glass walls HQ?
His statement does seem to be an indictment of the citizens of Chicago.
When Fascism comes to America, it will call itself Anti-Fascism, and tell you to give up your guns.
Don't worry. YouTube is a gun-free campus. The shooter is completely safe from his victims. Funny how it works out that way.
"-1 Troll" is the apparently the same as "-1 I disagree with you."
Some are.
I don't respond to AC's.
You're not thinking clearly or reading properly. I made no such comparison and I condemned both, while explaining (but not excusing) how the first can cause the second. I stand by my statement as written.
Wrong. Gun violence in Chicago is primarily caused by organized crime and the opioid epidemic. Its people from Chicago shooting other people from Chicago over drugs and money. But if you actually have been to Chicago you would know that despite the numbers its still a pretty safe city as long as you don't go to the wrong areas.
None whatsoever.
Almost all gun (and sexual) violence is democrat demographics on democrat demographics.
California is full of democrats. Their legal persecution of law abiding residents doesn't even come close to addressing gun violence...
Yawn ... Americans are shooting one another again, and they refuse to make meaningful changes.
I'm sorry, but at this point, I can no longer muster any sympathy for shootings in the US. This is a problem of your own creation, and if you won't do something about it, that's kind of your problem.
Though, I'm sure Trump the Idiot will send his thoughts and prayers, which haven't helped in any of the previous examples of this either.
There's simply no point in trying to muster up the effort to give a damn if Americans can only collectively decry what a tragedy it is while insisting that no changes are possible.
It's like one very loud and influential segment of society are defending your right to be shot to death, even if you have no desire for such a right.
Fuck it, I simply don't care if you idiots shoot one another. Maybe eventually you'll figure out you need to actually do something.
Sadly, they wouldn't be completely wrong.
You need to reevaluate your life.
I didn't want to say anything until we were sure but yes it seems likely.
sbpd: we came as quick as we got the call. So you guys are saying your abundant coverage of Videogames has caused a violent shooting?
Youtube: what? no thats not whats happening at --
sbpd: So video games themselves have started shooting people? or the people inside are playing some kind of video game that makes you shoot people?
Youtube: we never mentioned video games at all guys, this is a real --
sbpd: I get it. some kind of twitch stream where the pokemans are in augmented reality...it was only a matter of time.
Youtube: thats nonsense...none of that makes any sense...
Homeland Security: so due to legislative prioritization we dont really have any ability to stop whats going on except with thoughts and prayers. Also we're technically not allowed to be here unless its some kind of copyright infringement.
Good people go to bed earlier.
Oh, so it is 1,000,000,000 guns in america and 999,999,950 didn't kill anyone. thats even better.
Why is the crime rate LOW in those adjacent territories where the gun laws are lax and all the guns are in the first place?
Typically, isolated cities like this start out as places where the crime rate (and violent crime rate) soars, and they try to curb it by enacting gun laws. In other words: everyone has the same gun laws; then the city has high crime; then the city enacts gun laws; the crime doesn't go away.
People come along and say, "Hey, look! The places without gun laws have low crime, and the strong gun law places have high crime!" Sometimes they leave it dangling; frequently they try to assert something about disarmament only disarming the citizenry so the criminals know they're easy--essentially narrating that the gun laws came first and brought crime.
Nobody seems to ask why the crime increased in the first place.
Nobody seems to ask why the approach of locking people up for long sentences (that's what these tough gun laws do) doesn't suppress the crime.
Then: Republicans start using words like "Truth in Sentencing", which follow the same reasoning as these gun laws whereby maybe if we lock people up more and longer people will stop doing bad things and the crime will go away.
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Didn't California ban active shooters in the state?
Nope, too bad one of those "good guys with a gun" wasn't nearby and able to save the day...
The 23rd infantry of the U.S. Marines, which is about a block away, has been put on lockdown.
I stole this Sig
As one of the most snarky people on Slashdot, and having even first-posted a Youtube joke here, I would like to in all seriousness express my sadness that people were attacked, injured, and I hope they all survive and recover. This is a tragedy, both for the individuals involved and their families, and for our society. I am sure that I can speak for many people, with many opinions about the societal implications and wildly differing views on the etiology of these kinds of attacks, when I say here that we give our condolences to the victims and their loved ones.
I wanted there to be at least one non-political non-asshole comment to this effect on Slashdot.
.. indeed, mostly worthless.
The level of snark and folly is too great. Try to treat things a bit more seriously, like you do code design.
America really needs to address its guns issue.
America does not have a gun issue. 299,999,950 of the 300,000,000 guns won't kill anyone today. America has a people issue.
Yes, and that problem is that it is too easy for people to get their hands on insanely powerful killing tools.
please don't be an AR
please don't be an AR....
OH wait, I don't think they allow regular ARs in CA anymore, right?
Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.........
(1) YouTube says they will ban (most) gun videos.
(2) snowflake w/gun channel is pissed that revenue stream has gone bye bye and snaps.
There's literally more guns than population in the USA.
Wake the fuck up, PLEASE.
Naw I sleep just fine at night knowing I have a loaded 45 by my bedside. I hope you on the other hand wake up at least 5 minutes before your home invasion so the police have enough time to save you. Also if you try and say PLEASE to the home invaders you probably will just be shot or stabbed.
You could see the same thing with marijuana. When medicinal pot was made legal in California(not recreational), people would rent houses and mass grow, before exporting it to non-legal states.
Liberty is more important than safety.
They're known to cause cancer to the state of California.
Then: Republicans start using words like "Truth in Sentencing", which follow the same reasoning as these gun laws whereby maybe if we lock people up more and longer people will stop doing bad things and the crime will go away.
The 3 strikes laws were due to Bill Clinton. You know what the Clintons arent? Republicans.
"His name was James Damore."
By the way, it is ALREADY ILLEGAL to hunt humans. That is called "murder" and can result in the 2nd most severe punishment of any crime (only copyright violation gets harsher punishments).
But of course making it MORE illegal will surely work.
"-1 Troll" is the apparently the same as "-1 I disagree with you."
I suspect it's someone fed up with the strangling of the independent media channels & simultaneous with the promotion of useless traditional media YT channels (which are done now for any thinking individual) what got someone that upset.
If that's the case I only hope they got the person/s responsible for it and failed to hit those who work there & have to suffer in silence.
Err...well, if you want to get a CC (Carry Concealed) license in most states, you have to first take training classes, learn the laws, and show a proficiency with you firearm before you can get said carry license.
Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.........
False, yes you can its just heavily regulated, and i think most of the time long guns are easier to own.
thers no sense in sivilians having machine guns
Don't worry, Trump will die in prison either way.
Why do you wish him well ? The orangutan deserves to have his brains shot out by a Republitard carrying an AR-15.
Now that would be divine justice.
Reports are that it started in the kitchen over a disagreement about cookies.
Don't have links or citations, I'm watching local TV and radio news here in California. As with early reports of a breaking story, many or all of these details could be wrong. Take with a grain of salt.
- Shooter is described as a white female, wearing a dark headscarf.
- One witness says she shot her boyfriend, 10 times.
- Coroner has been called, so at least one person is dead
- Suspect also reported dead possibly from a self-inflicted wound
- At least 4 bystanders were hit by gunfire
Don't get me wrong, I love me some .45....
But I hope that's not the ONLY gun you have in the house loaded and ready...?
I have multiple guns in pretty much every room of my house, I'm never more than a few steps away from one.
And with each room, I'm only feet away from a handgun that will help me get to a shotgun....or in one room, the AR pistol with a can on it.
Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.........
Possibly the best way to prevent unwanted homicides is executions.. Most of the crimes in cities like that are by what Hillary got in so much trouble for labeling super predators. This is a very small percentage of the population. It isn't like any significant percentage of black Americans in Chicago are going around killing people. What a significant percentage of black Americans in Chicago are doing though is dying from violence by the same people over and over again. Those same people also tend to have many children which is problematic given the established genetic link to violent criminality. Why not simply execute them on their first offense?
That does not seem to be true. The specifics depend on your definition of "gun", but if assuming you mean handgun, then google suggests you can definitely own that in Australia. Not in the US "I need this... because.. I just do, ok, gief all the guns!" fashion, but as an active member of a club you can apply for a permit. If "gun" includes rifles and shotguns, then you can own those in England too, as far as I can tell.
From where I sit, regulation seems to be the crucial factor, with bans applying only to categories of firearms. Along with regulation you seem to get a culture where guns are treated with proper respect as opposed to as throwaway items anyone can possess without question or training and toss loaded into their nightstand drawers.
I don't believe there's a single solution that will work for every nation, there are so many factors at play, but it seems fairly self-evident that a good start is to do something different from what the US has been doing.
Being members of the same species does not entitle you to any special privileges. Some people need killin', especially the psychopath. They are incurable and must be eradicated.
Arm yourself — police have no obligation to defend you and even if they choose to do it, you may not be their top priority.
Self-defense is an inalienable human right — which also happens to be recorded in America's 2nd Constitutional Amendment.
In Soviet Washington the swamp drains you.
What do you guys think? Should we give the Youtube victims some privacy? ;)
Easy answer: It requires a Constitutional Amendment.
Simply get Congress to sign off on it ( which will get them all voted out of office ) then get 75% of all States to do the same ( which will also get them voted out ) and you can make it happen.
Have fun.
Err...well, if you want to get a CC (Carry Concealed) license in most states, you have to first take training classes, learn the laws, and show a proficiency with you firearm before you can get said carry license.
Haha... pull the other one.
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Err...well, if you want to get a CC (Carry Concealed) license in most states, you have to first take training classes, learn the laws, and show a proficiency with you firearm before you can get said carry license.
I'm pretty sure members of the "herp-a-derp untrained idiots" thoughtcamp are just projecting their own self-loathing on the rest of the world.
That, or they're too stupid to see the forest for the trees, but I prefer to give folks a little more credit than that.
An enigma, wrapped in a riddle, shrouded in bacon and cheese
Substitute "don't ban" with the essentially synonymous "allow": "As long as companies allow guns on their property, this will continue to happen."
...and the responses are arguing against firearms in the workplace, which is pretty much what was said in the first place.
Momentarily, the need for the construction of new light will no longer exist.
By making yourself arbiter, you automatically gain admittance into your garbage class. If you canâ(TM)t see that, well then, that is further proof.
I hope you're seeing a medical professional about your issues.
I don't respond to AC's.
Lol.
It's Leftist culture that creates those citizens.
Disgusting.
Cheap storage VM.
Except for the employees who were reading Slashdot at their desks.
#DeleteChrome
California also has some of the strictest gun control laws in the country. Yeah, more laws should do the trick.
It did the trick in Australia, where gun violence has plummeted after the restrictions.
And it even does the trick in California. Despite episodes like this, the amount of gun crimes per capita is lower than many other places in the US with more liberal laws.
Crime skyrocketed in Australia after they confiscated guns. No thanks.
America has an anger issue, or maybe a psycho issue.
Guns are the tool used, because they're effective and yes, they facilitate a murderer's agenda, but they're not the actual source of the problem. Removing or "controlling" guns (whatever that means exactly) isn't like having your cat declawed, because whack people are whack but often smart, and they will find other ways to commit mass murder because they want to kill, be it via improvised explosives, vehicular assault, mass poison or gas, firebombs/arson (I think I'd rather get shot than burn to death, personally), or just going stab and slash happy with a bladed weapon, which can be frighteningly effective against unarmed people in an enclosed area if the perp has skills.
Human bodies are fragile organisms, we're not that terribly hard to kill.
Look back up at my post, now look back down, you're on the Internet. Now look back up. I'm a signature.
Poverty isnâ(TM)t an excuse for violence either but that never stopped anyone from using it to apologize for ghetto behaviour.
I'm sorry, but what you describe is a clinical level of paranoia and fear that you don't sound mentally fucking stable enough to have that many goddamned guns.
Do you hear voices? Or are you just thinking it's rational to have to prepare for this? Do you have RAHOWA tattooed anywhere on your body? How the fuck do you not outwardly manifest signs of being batshit fucking crazy?
Sane well adjusted people don't feel they need to prep for a running gun battle through their own home.
Jesus fucking Christ, it's not fucking well Doom.
If you think you legitimately need to prep for that level of stuff, then you are fucking crazy. That's beyond irrational, it's a sign of what most people would consider some serious fucking mental illness.
No one at Google is ever going to see these comments, so calm down already. And humor is needed even in the darkest of situations.
Because their hoodlums go out of state to but weapons?
People who whine about "guns from out of state" obviously don't understand the concept of scale.
Say all guns get banned in every state; criminals will still get guns, because Mexico exists.
Then the whiners will piss and moan about "guns from out of country," but our government has no jurisdiction there. Q.E.D.
An enigma, wrapped in a riddle, shrouded in bacon and cheese
Hardly, 2 dead in London by random driveby's today.. only the law abiding can't return fire.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-e...
IMO The problem is diversity and the resentment in society and at individual level. Dumbing down schools to make all equal, modifying history, etc..
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
Yeah man. And why haven't we banned war yet? Or print million dollar bills and give them to everybody so nobody would be poor?
The answer to all of these questions is: because there are still far more adults than naive children in this world, and naive children, thankfully, don't get to make those decisions.
The amount of gun violence per gun owner is the same. "Tough" gun laws do not do a better job at sorting out people who shouldn't have guns. Liberal Massachusetts also has a low per-capita gun crime rate, but the per-gunowner gun crime rate is actually higher than the national average.
... pet rocks.
A Pennsylvania school district has a different solution for tackling intruders: rocks.
Buckets full of river stones have been placed in all classrooms at the Blue Mountain School District in Schuylkill County, Superintendent David Helsel said.
It little behooves the best of us to comment on the rest of us.
Because the only solution to guns is more guns of course. It's not like that could ever go wrong.
One of the things that seems to be missed is that a lot of people seem to think there's a correlation between mass killings and criminality. Well sorry there isn't before the event (the shooter obviously being judged a criminal AFTER they've shot N people). In most of these cases the person is 'normal' more or less given how much fucked up there is in the world anyway before they go on a killing spree.
The correlation is between guns and mass killings - you lose it and have only your bare hands, you MIGHT kill one or two people but that's it, a knife a few more. Easy access to guns though and it's instant mass murderer.
I'll also concede the US has a big problem even if they did implement gun controls, so many guns in circulation. However I do wish you'd stop trying to export your fucking problem to the rest of the world. We have gun controls and we like them because they work - so please keep your cultural psychosis at home.
the AR pistol with a can on it
.300BLK?
The amount of gun violence per gun owner is the same.
Which is another way of saying that if you reduce gun ownership, you also reduce gun violence. *Nod*
Spot on. America is full of nutjobs with guns so the only rational response is to either carry one yourself or work/live/play at places that have trained, armed marshals/police on hand 24/7.
America isn't Europe so not having a gun in America is just asking to be a victim. Sad but true.
Her Victims.
The shooter was apparently a woman.
Agent K: A *person* is smart. People are dumb, stupid, panicky animals, and you know it.
The military is expressly forbidden by Congress from operating on US soil, smartass.
Probably trolling. Then again, Cayenne8 may actually be Lance Thomas, the L.A. watch maker that learned to be a gun slinger in order to defend his store.
Don't get me wrong, I love me some .45....
But I hope that's not the ONLY gun you have in the house loaded and ready...?
I have multiple guns in pretty much every room of my house, I'm never more than a few steps away from one.
And with each room, I'm only feet away from a handgun that will help me get to a shotgun....or in one room, the AR pistol with a can on it.
I live in a state with a gun culture; roughly half of households have at least one firearm at home. I promote gun education and gun safety. As I have 2 young children, I can't safely have loaded guns outside safes. Based on the instructions I received from my dad, I also treat all firearms as if they are loaded, so no guns of any kind are stored outside a safe. I realize it takes a couple minutes to open a safe, but that's my reality until I'm satisfied that my boys understand gun safety. Besides, my neighborhood is quiet.
But they heard it on Fox & Friends - so it has to be true!
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If guns are such an awesome deterrent/defence, why does America:
a) have about 40 times the per-capita homicide rate of other developed nations;
b) the same or higher robbery rate of other equivalent nations;
c) fuck-all reported cases of bystanders/victims putting up a fight during a robbery / mass shooting event?
There hardly ever any defenders in bank robberies, home invasions, mass shooting, etc. Even the paid security guards / cops don't go in.
I'll stick with my low crime, low/no gun possession country thanks. I sleep very well.
HAVE A NICE DAY, Y'ALL.
Stop the violence against men!
We are failing at teaching our girls. Speak out if you have been abused by a woman!
You are why Trump won.
Don't worry, Trump will die in prison either way.
Why do you wish him well ? The orangutan deserves to have his brains shot out by a Republitard carrying an AR-15.
Now that would be divine justice.
Look kids, it's the Spring thaw! See all the little snowflakes melting?
No, it's another way of saying that if you want to reduce gun ownership, you're sweeping your own incompetence at background checks and law enforcement under the rug and scapegoating the 99.99% of people who own guns without causing trouble to anyone.
Know how I know your not a criminal?
"I hope that's not the ONLY gun you have in the house loaded and ready...?"
See others having guns in their house is of little concern to law abiding citizens because we have no intention of violently attacking others in their homes. And yes I do have other guns in different rooms. I am thankful for people like you who like the overwhelming majority of gun owners in America act as a deterrent to violent crime taking place in innocent people's houses.
corporations should refrain from antagonizing people.
Fuck you. That's never a justification for violence. Ever.
Asshole.
Who said it was a justification for anything?
Corporations should indeed refrain from antagonizing people.
Right -- You can't trust a fellow employee to remember their own user name, or small basics like not stuffing paper towels down a toilet, so it totally makes sense that you see no problem with having every untrained, undocumented idiot brandish a firearm in the cubicle next to you.
Maybe if you stopped hiring retards and instead hire people who have a brain because they're the best choice for the job you wouldn't have that issue.
I don't have any issues, I just have a lot of guns.
They are are mostly of various calibers and types. I like to collect and shoot them, mostly as a hobby.
But as long as I have them, why not spread them around the house?
I live in a safe neighborhood, but, not long back and not far away enough for me....there were a couple of home invasions.
Well, I don't guess any set of invaders, (and you do see home invasions with groups of 2 or more) are going to be polite enough to kick the door in when you are near your gun safe and give you time to open it, and load a weapon.
But again, that's not the primary reasons I have them around, but I figure since I have a lot, why not?
It doesn't hurt anything, and God forbid something did happen, well, at least I have options.
Now...what of the denotes need of a medical professional?
Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.........
There's a two-fold problem that makes the Australia comparison inapt. First of all, Australia didn't just make a law, they actually asked people to give up their guns. And being an island, illicit guns are hard to get into the country.
The second problem problem is one of culture. The culture in Australia is apparently not one where suicide attacks are thinkable. Compare that to America, where suicidal attacks are not unthinkable.
While guns are certainly an issue in America the way that they aren't elsewhere, the reall issue isn't that somebody in America can get ahold of guns -- it's that somebody in America thinks it's a good idea to mass murder people and possibly kill themselves while doing so. If you take away a mass murderer's guns, they'll simply resort to other weapons like knifes, bombs, stolen trucks, or whatever.
dom
Apparently a woman in some sort of black head covering
We should not jump to conclusions here, but given that description it is likely that she was a Catholic Nun.
Ceci n'est pas une signature.
Less guns, less death by guns - amazingly simple.
What part? Executing murderers? You would think that.
OH wait, I don't think they allow regular ARs in CA anymore, right?
California romanticizes smuggling of ARs. See "The Sons of Anarchy" for details.
If you make something illegal in the US . . . you can be sure that it will be available through . . . "informal channels".
Anyway, a pro wouldn't use an AR in a YouTube office attack. A Heckler & Koch MP7 would have been much more effective.
When I saw a German soldier demonstrate the weapon, he stated:
"This weapon should never be in civilian hands!"
Well, weapons have improved, but I don't think that is the problem. Back in the 70's, when I attended High School in scenic New Jersey, bat-shit crazy folks like myself smoked weed and listened to "Yes" and "Pink Floyd" albums. We never considered shooting up the school.
The folks in America have changed. The Founding Fathers were a bunch of very intelligent optimistic folks. They saw the "Right to Bear Arms" as a necessity to defend the good people against tyranny.
Ask any American today what the "Boston Tea Party" was about . . . they probably won't know.
Guns are not the problem, but compared to back then . . . too many folks cannot be trusted with weapons.
. . . or maybe force them to smoke weed and listen to "Yes" and "Pink Floyd" albums.
Schroedinger's Brexit: The UK is both in and out of the EU at the same time!
Wrong. Gun violence in Chicago is primarily caused by organized crime and the opioid epidemic. Its people from Chicago shooting other people from Chicago over drugs and money. But if you actually have been to Chicago you would know that despite the numbers its still a pretty safe city as long as you don't go to the wrong areas.
If a city has "wrong areas" you need to avoid, your city isn't safe.
Crime skyrocketed in Australia after they confiscated guns. No thanks.
But less people got shot...
Breitbart would know since this is across the street from where a friend of mine is forced to work for Walmart eCommerce. Their kind is so violent and stupid that they probably wanted to do their thing at Walmart since that is the way of their kind.
Sadly, you're probably right. Odds are that some wacko who read one too many Breitbart/Infowars/etc articles slamming Google and their political leanings decided to make themselves infamous by shooting up YouTube's HQ.
I really wish that people would find productive ways of showing their outrage instead of resorting to violence. Instead of killing innocent people over something as lame as Google's content rules, why not start a conservative alternative?
He's trolling you, dumbass.
I agree, I know that era...and no, no shoot-em-up problems then.
Hell, most of the trucks in the HS parking lot had gun racks in them WITH loaded rifles, especially during gun season, and again....while Floyd, Zeppelin and the Stones blared out, no one got shot, no one worried about it.
It is definitely a people problem, thing is..do we take away the rights of the vast majority in order to cater to the lowest common denominator which are a minority few nut jobs?
Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.........
That's why CNN switch to Trump swill. This story just didn't fit their narrative.
They sell guns without background checks so hopefully this is a protest against that.
There are no federal 3 strikes laws so Bill Clinton could not have imposed these.
"Liberty" doesn't mean shit if you're dead.
What happens if you need to rebel?
You're such a bad troll.
So, it would seem that, you have a line of which not to cross.
What in your opinion, if any, is justification for violence, then?
Don't you have a KKK rally to attend?
That's exactly what the OP did when he dismissed the reality of this tragic event. In a way it's worse - in the case of calling someone human garbage, he at least acknowledged the OP as a human being. Calling this a false flag is literal dehumanized someone who lost his life, and just to score some political points. Spare me the sanctimony, Anonymous Coward.
It is amazing they've survived this long. Their meltdown started a year and a half ago.
If you think I voted for Trump because of this post, you're wrong. I voted for Dr. Jill Stein of the Green Party. Again.
Yes, but not on Utube. They banned Gun videos remember?
"File to fit, pound to insert, paint to match" - Aircraft Maintenance 101
Lul. In 2020 we will be saying
"You are why Operah won"
Hahahaha triggered
No, it's people on the right who cut all funding to social programs, poverty reduction, education, and healthcare who create a whole bunch of people who have nothing else to lose.
Tax cuts for the rich? Charter schools so idiots can defund public education? Gerrymandering to ensure only rich white folks matter? All of these things leave you with a populace who is going to say "fuck it, if the only way to get something is to take it, I'll do that".
Conservative douchebags who basically say "fuck everyone else, I've got mine" are who create people who have nothing to resort to but crime.
You know, the same fucking retards who try to tell us abstinence-only sex-education will magically reduce pregnancies.
I wish we could pass a law that said real, scientific evidence was needed to pass a law. Because the lying sack of shit Conservatives who blame everything on the 'leftists' are the drooling morons who make policy not on evidence and facts, but their idiotic beliefs.
I don't give a fuck what your god says, he doesn't get a fucking vote.
Your mum!
You really need to get your facts from places other than "Pass it on" emails.
Il n'y a pas de Planet B.
Maybe. It worked for Australia ya dumbfuck. Or are you admitting a cuntry made up of the descendants of people so shitty England sent them halfway round the world is better than you inbred USAmericans??
Too bad the leftist economy props up your shitty backwards red states.
Funny how that works isn't it.
Look who clearly has sock puppet accounts so they can mod themselves up. DogDude clearly does.
"His name was James Damore."
Some are.
Let me guess: "the Jews"? Or did you mean some other group of people who you have a final solution in mind for?
Socialism: a lie told by totalitarians and believed by fools.
Ah, slashdot, where the truth is flamebait, and lies get defended by ammosexual micro dicks.
He said first offense.
First offense means any arrest. Not just murders. He wants to execute anyone in an urban area who has been arrested.
Learn to convey your meanings if you want to discuss.
Also, in a lot of places they do, in fact, execute Murderers. So you are proposing nothing new.
No but with the melt now we can see all the dogshit like you on the lawn for the stale, used up waste it is. Bazinga.
I see you stopped reading before "Massachusetts also has a low per-capita gun crime rate, but the per-gunowner gun crime rate is actually higher than the national average."
APK quotes people (including myself) without context and should not be trusted. Just thought you should know.
Has there ever been a mass shooting that wasn't in a gun free zone? I can think of only one, that assassination attempt against a senator with a lot of collateral damage.
Socialism: a lie told by totalitarians and believed by fools.
Illegal gun traffic goes the other way - from the US to Mexico. Which makes sense - the guns are made in the US, not Mexico.
Name one city that doesn't have bad areas. I'll wait.
That's just, like, your opinion man.
You are welcome on my lawn.
According to this expert on /. laws are just a waste of time. Wew! Thank God we can stop wasting our time with this thousands of years of civilization based on laws now we've been shown the error of our ways!
You're a moron.
As long as companies don't ban guns on their property, this will continue to happen.
APK quotes people (including myself) without context and should not be trusted. Just thought you should know.
I'm pretty sure members of the "herp-a-derp untrained idiots" thoughtcamp are just projecting their own self-loathing on the rest of the world.
Someone that doesnt take the time to be good at anything other than vomiting logical fallacies cant imagine that its actually common for other people to be good at everything they put their mind to.
I regularly play poker with a raging gun control nazi. Their poker game hasnt gotten better over time. Its gotten worse. But their skill at rationalizing bad ideas with logical fallacies had reached master level.
"His name was James Damore."
Stephan Paddock was a law-abiding citizen who had guns in his home.
Then the whiners will piss and moan about "guns from out of country," but our government has no jurisdiction there. Q.E.D.
Uhhh... we have jurisdiction over our border. Mexican guns aren't much cause for concern as long as they stay in Mexico.
Breakfast served all day!
Hahahaha disregard that, I suck cocks!!
California has pretty strict gun laws. How could anyone get a gun to YouTube HQ?
Shouldn't you be wondering how many more workplace murders would happen if it were an option in every petty squabble because there were no gun laws?
"it seems fairly self-evident that a good start is to do something different from what the US has been doing"
That's self evident to you, a foreigner. I'd expect a foreigner to be wrong about how my country should be run, and it is thrilling that you have no say in this matter. Also note that it doesn't affect you.
"Not in the US "I need this... because.."
No, WRONG. You don't need to justify, and then fail to provide a reason. I have a RIGHT to own firearms. That right, which exists, shall not be infringed by the government. Your entire understanding of rights is fucking backwards to ours. Americans don't have to state a need, or justify a want, or come mewling to some king or magistrate or who fucking cares. They have a RIGHT, and the government can't TAKE the right away. The second amendment doesn't establish a right to own firearms, it prevents the government from infringing on an already existing right.
don't ban guns on their property, this will continue to happen.
Cute... Make it illegal and nobody will dare do it. Right...
I would imagine that it's illegal to carry your firearm into a post office and shoot up the place... But that didn't stop people from going postal.
Where I work, firearms are defiantly not allowed and we get trained on this regularly just to make sure everybody knows and remembers the rules. That's great, but there is literally nothing to keep a disgruntled employee from breaking the rules. Therefore we do annual "active shooter" training as part of the site safety training.
Why do I bring all this up? Because, you cannot stop weapons from showing up in places you don't want them by just passing laws or making rules. You have to take positive measures to keep them out of places (metal detectors, pat downs and such) and even then it's not 100% effective (we still have weapons in prisons, though we strip search inmates and go though their stuff regularly).
No law or rule fixes this.... Then there is the 2nd amendment to deal with, which pretty much guarantees you cannot keep firearms out of public hands, which limits the laws you can even have.... No, other solutions are going to be required..
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Most of the people willing to do such a thing were already voted out. The Democrats have gotten both federally and locally slaughtered since Obama. Not that the media reports it....
State Houses by party control:
Republicans: 32
Democrats: 14
Split: 4
Governorships by party:
Republicans: 33
Democrats: 16
Other: 1
As you see at the State level the Republican advantage has grown to over 2:1 thanks to Obama and the Clintons. The Democrats used to own the States but in the past decade their bullshit has cost them everything (and thats in spite of constant never ending media help to beat Republicans)
"His name was James Damore."
Men are frequently sodomized by women. Stop the sodomy! Speak out if you have been the victim of female on male sodomy, especially 'blowjobs'.
Has there ever been a mass shooting that wasn't in a gun free zone?
Then you conveniently forgot about the UCC campus shooting.
Common sense would say that regular employees (not members of the security staff) carrying guns inside of companies is useless, absurd and insane.
Maybe, maybe not...
Common sense tells me that in the situation where you don't know for sure who may be armed and intending a crime, having law abiding citizens who are armed and can confront the criminally minded is a good idea.
Armed security is great, but most mass shootings are over in about 3 min. Dealing with mass shooters involves two goals. First, limiting the number of targets they see by training people how to evade, hide and locking doors. Second, is to confront the shooter somehow sooner rather than later, because most shooters will stop and flee or commit suicide when confronted. In this case, having law abiding citizens with arms spread about seems to be a good idea to me.
Of course, if you want to provide armed guards who can respond in mere seconds, that's helpful too, but I doubt you can afford enough of them in any reasonable sized facility to have response times that will be all that helpful given the relatively short lengths of mass shootings.
"File to fit, pound to insert, paint to match" - Aircraft Maintenance 101
And "life" doesn't mean shit if you have to rely on a government boot on your throat to keep you safe.
Yes, and that problem is that it is too easy for people to get their hands on insanely powerful killing tools.
Like an HIV-positive penis?
Because the only solution to guns is more guns of course. It's not like that could ever go wrong.
It's not perfect, but yes. Guns in the hands of the law abiding often DO help in the case of a mass shooting incident or during violent crimes.
Let's not toss out workable solutions because there are risks or it's not perfect. "Perfect is the enemy of good" in this case.
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Women shooters are so very rare that I wonder if this was a transgender woman.
Bring back menstruation huts! It is impossible to bleed and think at the same time.
Hunting humans is not illegal. *KILLING* them is! We teach kids to hunt humans with a game called hide-and-seek.
In the US, people can freely cross borders between states. That's why Chicago has such terrible gun violence despite having strict(er) gun laws than neighboring states/cities.
Chicago's problem is social and economic. The rampant proliferation of ILLEGAL weapons is but a symptom. I contend that allowing LEGAL firearms into the place would help the innocent survive as would prosecuting firearm violations (such as position by felons, or use in a crime) which isn't really done by Chicago could help.... But Again, the real issue in Chicago is not illegal weapons, it's just a symptom of the social and economic crisis of the people who live in parts of it.
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The prohibition of armed forces acting on domestic soil applies only to the US Army and US Air Force. This prohibition does not apply to the Coast Guard, National Guard, or the US Marine Corps. Also, this prohibition does not apply to the enforcement of federal law. I'm pretty sure attempted murder is prohibited under federal law, perhaps I'm mistaken.
I remember talking to a guy that lived out by DC. He talked of a military base that had a major highway going through it and USMC military police enforced traffic law there. They will stop people that speed and issue tickets, anyone in uniform had their commanders notified of the ticket as well. Speeding on a military base is a violation of federal law, and members of the military will enforce that law.
The use of Marines to enforce federal law is relatively routine. Did you ever notice that the security detail around the President of the United States is full of Marines? That's because using members of either the Army and Air Force could be considered a violation of the prohibitions laid out in the Constitution of having a standing Army. Perhaps a minor point if the guy is in a Marine uniform instead of an Army one but this is what the law says.
I am armed because I am free. I am free because I am armed.
The boy says to lead asshole: 'I'll give you my gun when you pry it from my cold, dead hands.' Proudly holding his AIR-15.
Here is the thing you don't get, despite your vitriolic towards anti-gun activists, I honestly and sincerely hope that nobody EVER takes a gun from your nephew 's cold dead hands. I hope that you and your nephew never becomes on of the thousands of Americans killed or injured in firearms accidents that occur each year. Hell, I hope the two of you celebrate your 100th birthday together.
I get that you enjoy owning and firing guns and the feeling of control it gives you, but you or he only need to make one mistake. Is it really worth it?
HA! I just wasted some of your bandwidth with a frivolous sig!
I find it macabre that these shootings are so common that we feel immediately comfortable joking about tragedies involving human suffering and death.
In the good old days, we at least pretended to care and waited a suitable length of time before making jokes of questionable empathy, initially whispered only in private company.
Happiness in intelligent people is the rarest thing I know.
Ernest Hemingway
He's not a member of AntiFA - so, no.
UCC required written permission to bring a firearm onto campus. That's basically a gun-free zone...
Never question, just accept the narrative exactly as it is laid out for you, else you are human garbage. I see you've been taught well.
Fuck you? That is violence. Keyboard warrior smugly sits in her basement judgymcjudgefacing others. What is a justification for violence? How many times do people have to be poked before they snap? Guess what? Most people are average. That means average IQ and all the rest that goes with it. Some people are rich some poor. Some are below average. What a melting pot we live in! Add in pharma co's and neurotic internet co's and sprinkle in sociopathic corporations and nations and guess what you get? People shooting up YOUTUBE.
To be fair, murder is no less egregious to God than stealing, or say, bearing false witness. So I say murder away! We do all the others all the time!
Maybe Reykjavik? just guessing...
Ezekiel 23:20
Uhhh... we have jurisdiction over our border. Mexican guns aren't much cause for concern as long as they stay in Mexico.
So illegal immigrants do not exist? Cocaine does not exist? Both of these things are "made" outside of our borders, yet seem to have no problem making their way inside.
So over the past few years we've seen article upon article about "white toxic masculinity" causing people to go postal with guns.
While I feel like a ghastly person for doing it, fuck those people who've done this over the years, shaming people for who they are.
Is it time for a 'toxic femininity' article? I doubt it.
The second problem problem is one of culture. The culture in Australia is apparently not one where suicide attacks are thinkable.
I'm not so sure it's about the suicide pact. I certainly think that culture played a big part and I don't think that it would be possible to do in the US what was done in Australia.
Culturally, Australia doesn't (and didn't, before the ban) have the same reverence, fascination and obsession with guns that the US does (painting with a _very_ broad brush). People from the country tend to view them as a tool, same for hunters. People living in the suburbs or cities who owned guns were uncommon and seen as more than a little odd and 'American'.
Lower overall gun ownership means and meant that only the most violent of criminals used them, and then usually only among themselves (still true, today, just to a smaller extent). There were fewer people affected by the ban, less attachment in general and banning and/or restricting guns was framed in much the same way that banning or restricting any tool is/was. There just wasn't the legal or historic context for it to be anything else.
While being an island sounds good on paper, if there was a market we'd see imports the same way we see drugs enter the country and the same way the small number of guns still arrive. There's just too much coastline to really keep anything out. Distance is a bigger factor. We've a fraction of the population in an area about the same as the US (albeit not evenly distributed) which, again, if there was a will would make it impossible for the police to locate caches of guns in out-of-the-way locations.
Indeed. Diversity sucks.
He put shooting people and antagonizing people on the list of "things you shouldn't do." That doesn't mean they're as bad as each other, that one is a reason to do the other, or any other such thing. You used your ridiculous misunderstanding of how he thinks to create a strawman argument to argue against so you could be self-righteous.
I hope you seriously reconsider a lot of your views and biases in light of new information.
There are plenty of humans to hunt but some ducks are on endangered list, therefore restriction on hunting ducks with 3 rounds should stand.
UCC required written permission to bring a firearm onto campus. That's basically a gun-free zone...
Yeah, and the good guy with the gun who was there and did nothing except hide during the active shooter situation.
The rocks are for stonings!
Good solid biblical education!
Also useful if they find a woman who has laid with a man who is not her husband..
Or eaten shellfish..
Or using the name of Jeho.... oh dear..
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corporations should refrain from antagonizing people.
Fuck you. That's never a justification for violence. Ever.
Asshole.
No but it is an explanation for violence. A lion is never justified for using violence but if you go prodding it I'm not gonna feel sorry for you when he bites your head off. But looks like this wasn't a case of YouTube antagonizing anyone.
From this article on fire safety:
What is the proper way to use a Class ABC, multi-purpose, dry chemical fire extinguisher? ... ...
The horizontal range of the dry chemical stream will reach a distance from 5 to 20 feet.
The approximate discharge time for 10 to 20 pounds of dry chemical ranges from 10 to 25 seconds.
I wish the chemical stream reached farther than 5 to 20 feet. If it did, then an ABC dry chemical fire extinguisher might be used against a shooter.
And someone like me, who can't stand the idea of shooting someone, would be more willing to use the fire extinguisher, rather than shooting a gun at the attacker. (Although if I were trying to protect school children, I'd certainly be willing to shoot the attacker.)
Justification has nothing to do with it.
Make people mad and they might do bad things to you, law and morality be damned.
Be aware of possible consequences and act accordingly, asshole.
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There are no federal 3 strikes laws
From H.R.3355 Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994:
(8 U.S.C. 1326(b)) is amended--
(1) in paragraph (1)--
(A) by inserting after ``commission of'' the following:
``three or more misdemeanors involving drugs, crimes against the person, or both, or''; and...
Federal law. Stop being lying fucks. Just stop. Stop fucking lying. Seriously. Just fucking stop lying. The liberals are going to lose everything if you extremists in the camp dont fucking stop. Just fucking stop.
"His name was James Damore."
Actually.... I've never got a CC licence because I feel it is too much of a hassle for the low probability of me actually using it. That being said multiple fellow employees cary concealed and I absolutely trust them and feel much safer when they are in the office. If a mass shooter shows up to my workplace I will be around my coworkers who I know have guns and you can stick with your coworkers without guns that you don't trust.
that's sorta the problem with having a patch work approach. Oh, and the gun show loop hole. So much for your strict laws.
I hate to make this a car analogy, but we should be regulating guns like cars.
BTW, any one care to hazard a guys why the constitution doesn't just say "The right of the people to bear arms shall not be infringed"? Why the part about the well regulated militia. IIRC anything after the preamble is meant to be legal text, e.g. not just for show. All I ever find googling it is vague arguments on both sides.
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when it's not a 90 minute drive to somebody to murder. Population density is a factor.
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The gun is nothing more than an inanimate tool. I have never once had a problem with any of them spontaneously coming to life and shooting someone or something by themselves.
Bullshit! Yea, well nukes are nothing more than an inanimate tools as well. I have never once had a problem with any of them spontaneously coming to life and nuking someone or something by themselves. Yet I don't see anyone arguing that it should be okay for anyone to walk around with one.
since there's been a nation wide moratorium on researching gun violence since the early 2000s. If I had to make a guess I'd say economy. Chicago's economic base when kaput when manufacturing moved to Mexico. Texas still has oil jobs.
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off the road. And the reason you don't need to register if you're not driving on public roads is that it's assumed you're not really using it.
I suppose we could do the same thing. You can have your guns without regulation, but as soon as you take it in public it gets confiscated (carrying a gun is equivalent to using it, since as folks like to point out it's a deterrent). This would also mean you can't shoot unregistered guns at a range.
We don't register knives because they're not as dangerous. Same reason we don't register bikes. I crash into you on my road bike you've got a broken leg worst case (barring the occasional freak mishap). I'm alive today because a woman who ran a light while I was in a cross walk clipped the tire of the bike I was carrying instead of hitting me. That's the kind of difference we're talking about here.
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CA wants those immigrants for the cheap labor. And the immigrants want to stay because the higher wages mean more money to send back home. Plus as soon as they leave the sanctuary cities they're at a greater risk of deportation.
Not saying what CA is doing is right. But your points aren't accurate.
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is objectively small. You're not going to fight a revolution with them. Those days are over. Our standing military is too powerful now After all, the point of the Second Amendment was a check on the standing army. But a modern and well provisioned military is beyond the ability of any citizenry to fight. Forget drones, you won't be able to keep up with their supply lines.
As for protection, you're much more likely to shoot yourself. A far better means of protection would be proper drug treatment, mental health care services and free housing to end homelessness. Make a world where you don't live in constant fear of some nut job breaking into your home.
All that said the "If it saves one life" argument is too extreme. I don't begrudge you your hobby (I do begrudge you thinking you can fight the US Military, since that line of thought leads to political laziness when you think you can fix politics with a gun). But guns are dangerous. Regulate them like cars.
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now are you willing to raise your taxes to solve that people problem? Or barring that are you willing to round up folks who are potentially unbalanced and dispose of them cheaply?
I keep hearing the argument that the problem is mental health but nobody seems willing to either pony up the cash or do the really nasty and oppressive stuff needed if you're not gonna pony up the cash. What I'm saying is, put up or shut up. Lets see single payer health care (including mental health), free housing for the homeless (nothing fancy, but a room to sleep in, a land line with answering machine and a communal place to cook/wash) and legalize drugs with proper treatment for addicts. Do those 3 things and we'll stop banging on about your assault rifles.
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I can't believe you got modded down for suggesting modest, common sense measures.
ABC is reporting that the shooter was one Nasim Aghdam and the hospital lists three people as being in the hospital with the shooter dead, due to a self-inflicted gunshot.
Possibly the best way to prevent unwanted homicides is executions.. Most of the crimes in cities like that are by what Hillary got in so much trouble for labeling super predators. This is a very small percentage of the population. It isn't like any significant percentage of black Americans in Chicago are going around killing people. What a significant percentage of black Americans in Chicago are doing though is dying from violence by the same people over and over again.
That's what turned out to be the case in Aurora, most of the crimes were being perpetrated by a handful of repeat criminals and once they were caught the crime rate plummeted to the point that we're now in the Top 10 Safest Midsized Cities list just a little below Naperville and catching up.
Government authority can't be trusted to protect us? Wait, which side was it again that wanted us to wholly put trust in government authority?
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Maybe someone finally really showed looking up for their "Internet money". (South Park reference that I'm too lazy to attach.)
It's super spooky that the Frist Prost on Slashdot got the motive correct...
Nobody accuse gun of the violence. The people are always the source of the violence. BUT the point is that you can take steps to lower the access of guns to some people, and lower the amount of accidents done with it. Heck if the law only allow in the end to reduce the amount of fatal gun violence among 12 year d kids (yes there are kids as low as 4 year old which die every year - not many but enough to be incredibly sad) that would be progress. But NAAAAAAN guns must be freeeeee man. Second amendment babbbby. Nothing should stop anybody to have a gun and store it in any condition. Evaaaar. No you will excuse my sarcasm but your strawman earned it.
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Irrational phobia would be to run screaming when one see the PICTURE of a gun. To view gun as a dangerous instrument which should not be owned by the general public (general public which I remind everybody obey a gaussian law when it comes to pretty much everything related to intelligence , safety) is actually not a phobia, it is pretty much the rule in most of the western world. The US is an aberration when it comes to that. Albeit I will admit that the lack of rules (even California is weak compared to the standard in western Europe) is not the only factor. I have suspected for a long time that societal factor like the lack of care for mental illness, and the lack of societal net to avoid you falling down the crack in debt and despair, are also 2 gigantic factors.
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Same as skimpy clothes are not justification for rape.
Which still doesn't mean taking a stroll through the slums in a miniskirt at night is a laudable idea.
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In UK it was totally successful. Almost all murderers have switched to knives. The number of murders and other violent crimes is about the same, or higher than before, but hey guns are no longer involved! Goal achieved, gun violence down!
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You illustrate the very point I was making, that in the US you don't need any reason to own a gun, and you don't need to show that you are responsible enough to do so. If you don't think that's a problem, that's fine. You can't vote in my country, so it has no effect on me. For the sake of the people of the US, I just hope that you one day will be in the minority. There seems to finally be some movement in that direction, so there's hope.
Iranian Azeri Vegan Activist Nasim Aghdam....
Of course it's not true.
Don't believe what the US gun nut liars tell you.
" Along with regulation you seem to get a culture where guns are treated with proper respect as opposed to as throwaway items anyone can possess without question or training and toss loaded into their nightstand drawers"...... this is spot on.
The real difference is that it seems a significant percentage of Americans are emotionally and intellectually retarded children that lack the mental capacity to understand why they can't have any weapon they want, when they want, to do with what they want.
Much like a toddler, they are at a low stage of development.
Truth hurts huh ?
Well, I have no problem with a death penalty. I do have problems with our justice system. I find his pandering to bigots disgusting.
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Oh, sure. There's similar going on with gun control laws in Maryland, which was why there's a lead from one to the other ("following the same reasoning as these gun laws").
"Truth in Sentencing" is a common Conservative thread about how sentences should be harsh and permanent--you need to actually serve the long sentence, not get out on parole. It works about as well as 5-year mandatory minimum sentencing for having an illegal firearm--that is: not at all.
I like to point out where both sides are rebranding the same ideals as different and both attempts are failing. I'm trying to twist the Democratic party's arm into straightening out; the Republicans have unsalvageable ideals.
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I used to argue that executions work as a deterrent in low-crime, low-poverty areas where people are immediately fearful of execution, and not at all in high-crime areas where part of your day-to-day criminal life is the threat of death from everyone but the state (i.e. a state execution is the least-likely way you're going to die, so why would you care?).
The second argument there is probably correct. The first one has a flaw: most people are decent people anyway, and are hesitant to commit capital offense for their own internal reasons.
It turns out we can readily reduce crime with strong behavioral health programs and more attempts to stop the cycle of institutionalization--that committing a crime destroys your life such that you are unable to thrive and so are actively pressured to commit more crimes thanks to our criminal justice system's own actions against you--which takes things in the opposite direction. I've started collecting those things we need for the purpose.
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She looks like a cross between Scott Baio or Joan Jett.
One benefit - possibly the principal benefit - of gun ownership is as a safeguard against tyranny. For that purpose, registered gun ownership is hardly better than no gun ownership at all: the first move of any tyrannical government will be to confiscate all the registered firearms.
Note also that the *non-gun* homicide rate in the US exceeds the *total* homicide rate in the UK or Australia. There's definitely something going on here apart from gun ownership.
The number of murders and other violent crimes is about the same, or higher than before
No, it isn't.
The murder rate was at its highest around 2002-2004, with around 15 murders per million population (excluding the 172 victim count of Dr. Shipman in 2003 which skews figures). The last 3-4 years, it has been under 10 murders per million population. That's down, not up.
Gun murders have gone down, while knife murders have not gone up. The ratio of knife murders to other murders in the UK has been pretty much the same since the 60s.
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplep...
And what exactly is a passive shooter?
you want a violent uprising with great chances of overthrowing the State? because this is how you get one.
Youtube employees deserved this. Not that anyone should have shot them up, but they deserved it. Youtube is full of tyrants and it was a matter of time before someone started shooting them up. Now these liberal cucks got a taste of why we have the first amendment in the first place: The consequences of surpressing speech are always worse.
The fatal flaw in that logic is the fact that overall gun violence is still way down despite ownership being way up. The only increase is in these televised mass shootings, where gun laws likely don't do jack.
On the other side of the spectrum: IT'S JUST PART AND PARCEL LIVING IN A BIG CITY
As for this site's free speech control: I'll yell when I want to, thank you very much.
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My point was that the US government does not have authority to ban guns in Mexico.
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Illegal gun traffic goes the other way - from the US to Mexico. Which makes sense - the guns are made in the US, not Mexico.
Do any of the guns make their way back?
The answer, BTW, is "yes, yes they do, and sometimes those 'walked back' guns are used to kill American citizens."
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a gun range isn't private property if it's a business. As soon as you open it to the public it is no longer private. That's what it means to open it to the public. That's why you can't put up a 'No Coloreds' sign at your gun range.
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that these aren't 'arms' covered by the right to bare arms.
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> For the sake of the people of the US, I just hope that you one day will be in the minority
You can't change the constitution, even with 50% of people deluded by your false song. You'd need overwhelming support to remove the second amendment and allow the government to crush individual liberty. And I'm pretty sure you wouldn't like the results. I know I wouldn't, but the second order effects from that would make things worse around the world.
Also here's five easy steps to a gun free America:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnoFKskvSq4
You should really hope this never happens, unless you value your prison-state ideology above the welfare and lives of millions.
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And Republicans are pressing their advantages everywhere they can to create a one-party state using voter suppression and flagrant gerrymandering, not to mention refusing to hold legally mandated special elections.
"When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
Keeping many weapons in perfect working order requires a lot of time and skills, so I am surprised to learn that this hard work could be taken as a hobby. Most of the people that collect weapons are just looking for "their chosen one". They are looking for a single weapon that they could handle and use correctly if the situation arises. That is the reason why many gun owners are constantly looking for new guns.
Never say never. Imagine that your career / public life / whatever centres about posting videos on a video platform. Suppose this video platform has a near monopoly and bans you for no good reason and without giving you any recourse. Sure, you could repost your videos somewhere else -- and nobody will see them because everyone is on the site where you were banned from. Most people won't take action because they've got too much to lose, but it isn't actually immoral to pick up your gun, go to the video site's headquarters and shoot up the place. Illegal, yes. Immoral, no.
You know, deciding that victims of tragedies are just lying for political ends without any evidence seems to be choosing to be that arbitrator as well. And we know that people who choose who the "false flag victims" are have brought the law into their own hands and hurt people.
So your move, I guess.
Fuck you. That's never a justification for violence. Ever.
Asshole.
It might be. Corporations act against individuals with a reckless disregard for the law and common sense.
A lawyer, small claims court, complete disassociation from the corporation (if possible - Google's patents - not just their tentacles - are extensive enough to be nearly everywhere), public repudiation, et cetera, are all typically better options.
That said, having see the way the shady motherfuckers work at Google, I don't give too much regard to them. I complained years ago about hundreds of dollars of adsense money going to shady link farms. You can stop it going forward, but unless you're big enough or somehow sufficiently persistent (likely I should have done credit card disputes), the money is gone.
It doesn't care. The feeling is mutual.
If the employees want the benefit of being regarded as humans, they need to change the corporation at which they work/own.
i wonder if Facebook might be next. Suckerberg could lose what little mind he has at any moment and just start shooting :-)