Um???? both a Mac and a PC cost thousands and thousands if you trip them out to like everthing you can ever put in the system, yet both are cheap when you just get a basic model, its the same philosophy as cars you know...
Anyway, it is a battle cause everyone wants a winner even if there is no point.
Nintendo will alway have the youth market cause it makes great games for children, none of the other systems comes close.
Sony will always have a huge following cause they have a good system thats backwards compatable with a lot of decent games on both platforms, heck my girlfriend just bought a PS1 so many years AFTER it came out cause she loved the RPG's they had and is waiting for the PSX so didnt want to spend the money on a PS2. And yes I know people are like it sucks, but you know what, I LOVED the DVD feature, cause I didnt have a dvd player when I bought it, nor do I really have the space to have BOTH a dvd player and a game system in my appartment.
The xbox might win out in the future, but they have to buy there way there, which I feel is cheating but whatever. Some third parties are finally signing on (as opposed to advoiding it like it was a black hole when it first came out to the point that Microsoft bought game companies to write for it cough Bungie cough) The thing that will kill the xbox is that the Japanese HATE it. Microsoft could put a 50 inch plasma screen into the system and they will never like it cause they have a deep seated hatred for Microsoft and Bill Gates. The american market is big, but it seems to be the norm of if you cant get it big in Japan (where a lot of the system games are naufactured and developed, if you look a lot of the xBOx's games have been former PC games that where reworked for the system instead, Halo and such) then your going to be small here.
Of course the defining thing will be, who could get their system out first.
Yes I know this is TWO replies, but the kids saying they only wanted to use windows spurred me to write a second response.
Back when I started college (im going onto my 5th year thanks to NJ's education schooling laws, I can have a 2.0 in general education to be a doctor but have to have almost a 3.0 in general ed to be a teacher, despite having a 4.0 in your respective field AS a teacher. btw I actually have a 3.4 in gen ed, but it was more cause I had to take my classes spread out among the 132 credits NJ requires)
anyway, when we started out, my school had 5 OS's!!! Windows was number 1 ovbiously, with Mac OS 8/9 (they really didnt keep up admin on them) with Solaris, Red Hat, and one other *nix I cant remeber (think it might have been IBM's)
Well to use your email, which you really had to do, you NEEDED to learn unix, cause guess what everything was done in telnet/terminal on PINE!!!! Wanted to use a graphic freindly program??? FUCK YOU IT said we aint helping you you need to lear PINE.
Well things have changed and I think for the worse, we have a webmail server now, and a lot of our nix's have well been nixed, and you know how the student population is now? DUMB SHITS!!!! they have trouble logging into a computer when before they were forced to learn they dont even care.
Trust me your going to be a goddsend when you come to college (if you do) if you learn Mac, Win, and at least two good *nix's, you will never want for a job cause your friends and teachers will PAY YOU to help them (I make 200 a week easy thanks to friends refuring me to help them cause IT is so swamped)
So dont buy into the one platform phil, get good at a few, trust me you will be happy you did!!!
Apple is staying put here, but not because of my boss!!
See I as have my other techs, have always felt Apple was the absolute BEST platform for elementary school students. The abuse those machines get (three CD's in one drive, Juice box gunk in the keyboard) and yet on adverage we lose maybe 2 or 3 iMacs a year (all bondi blues surprisingly, I have only lost one slot load to an actual motherboard getting fried, although I have had to replace 5 or 10 cd-rom drives, my favorite, no you cant put your ham in the CD-Rom, no I do not kid!!!)
For a long time we we where a tri-platform school, Windows in the high school and with the secretaries, macs in the middle school and elemetary school (with a few in the highschool for video and graphics courses.) and two machines running linux for a management software called SAMS.
In comes our new tech adviser to help us expand everything, what does he do, tries to get rid of all 2500 iMacs we have and buy computers from Dell, to supliment our 250 PC's. Yes thats right trash BRAND NEW computers in some cases just to make everything two platform (he tried to trash the linux boxes but was hit with a block when we showed him SAMS only works good on linux)
Its not IT people who make these desicions, its administators, some of whom have never taught in a classroom (this guy doesnt even have a degree in education) who make stupid decision without asking "why are you running things like that?"
After seeing that we only had one part time IT member for the Mac's though and 3 full time and 3 part time staff members for the PC's( in all fareness we all do all three platforms but we have specializations I the mac guy, and everyone else specialized in some perticular way with a part of the OS or network admin), the board of education made him back down or risk getting his contracts ripped up, and as it is after its up he is probably not comming back, but still this is the situation you run into, and IT staff sometimes gets little more say than yes sir no sir.
Heck even when I suggested getting eMacs cause they where cheaper (we could buy more software or equipment for the teachers, or dare I say TRAINNING since they where using OS X instead of 9) I was turned down cause they wanted the fancy iMacs that my assistant super. had. Forget I ever try to save them money again!!!
Itrs annoying, but you just have to play the system.
actually we saw TWO hit the surface, the one luke was investigating when he got his ass kicked by the ice moster (remeber he thought it was a meteorite hit we never saw that it was a droid per say, but the opening we see that something falls to the planet from a star destroyer so it's likely it was) and then again with han and chewie this strike happening much later (therfore not from the same group that came at the begining of the movie)
Yes the B&W works great, my old 300mhz one is actually a little faster than the first gen icebook I own, thanks to the 100mhz bus. My girlfriend uses my (now modded cause she wanted pretty blue lights lol) g3 and shes gone from a mac hater, to a mac worshiper even more so than I am thanks to OS X.
One rule of advice though, GET MEMORY!!!! I ended up putting the full gig of dimms in and it runs almost as fast as our sawtooth at work. Memory helps big time!!!!
When during a power outage, you use your last bit of power left in your iBook to dial up and post on slashdot????
Cause thats what Im doing RIGHT NOW:-D
btw I thought they where supposed to fix this bullshit when the power went out in the 70's??? if the same thing happened AGAIN who dropped the ball on retrofitting the power supply to let it grow with the rest of the usage
It so nice to just flip a switch to decided on what system I want (PS2,Gamecube, SNES, NES, and a modded 2600 with RCA outs instead of a RF switch)
Now the question remains, will Nvidea now talk to Sony/Nintendo about making cards for either systems? I know it wont be for the PSX since thats pretty much a PS 2 with a DVD burner and hard drive installed, but what about a PS3? That could be an interesting turn of events
Im surprise this got modded insightful, I should have though it would get redundant since we have all known for YEARS, he was a fucking moron....;-).
Why anyone still pays attention to that man, I dont know, he just seems to jump bandwagon to bandwagon with no really good technical insight anymore. Sad really cause he used to be slightly interesting.
I had the dos one which wasnt too bad It was kinda slow on my tandy 1000 but still playable.
In Seaside NJ there is a retro arcade that has it and I play it all the time. (and if you wondering, some games like asteroids have a WAIT!!!, and the arcade has plenty of new games, the older stuff is THAT popular.)
Its my second favoirite vector game, Tempest is my all time favorite with asteroids being a third.
Yeah even at 6 I realized this game really wasnt explained very well in the instructions (and if you didnt know you had to use both controlers, not one, yeah WAY too complicated to run on the atari 2600) At least Space Shuttle for the 2600 TOLD you it was going to be complicated as hell.
Great, I just bought it two weeks ago and havent played it yet really (Still working on.hack infection cause I only play it with my girlfriend around, and xenosaga when Im alone) but if thats all the game is, fucking forget it, Extream RPG playing my ass (That was the advertising slogan on playonline.com)
I thought something was strange when I saw it was already marked down to 40 bucks, but now Im just pissed as hell.
Hopefully I can get some money back from EB!!!!!!!
I have to be honest, I actually LIKED ET, course I was like 5 or 6 at the time but I didnt find any problems with it, it was hard to get around, and easy to finish, but I liked it cause I got to help ET!!!!
Ataris problem was it wasn't the blockbuster they thought it would be, it did nothing new for the system, it was just a game.
Now what I recently played thats horrable compaired to the arcade version was Ataris version of Star Wars, The Arcade Game for the 2600 (big hint, DONT DO VECTOR GRAPHIC GAMES IF THE SYSTEM CANT REALLY PRODUCE VECTOR GRAPHICS!!!!)
Just like Microsofts xBox model has pretty much killed any idea RPG's will be as big as they are on the Playstation, this will fianlly seal the deal, with only Microsoft bought companies like Bungie being the only thing xBox has going to keep it alive.
People are going to go with Sony simply cause EA is the better brand, even if Microsofts lineup is superior. Everyone has grown up with EA games, and knows what to expect.
Squaresoft works with Sony and the PS development team because of Nintendo forcing their views on them. It created a huge rift that is only now starting to clear up with Final Fantasy: CC. While the Japan versions of the game where unedited, NOA ripped apart or compleatly blocked (FF 2,3, and 5 which where blocked cause they where too hard for American audiences) so many games Square had just had it and the CEO ripped Nintendo apart when they declared their move to Sony final. Even as recent as 3 years ago there was still fighting between them which is why this new FF game for nintendo is such a surprise
As for the ganon blood issue, what I find funny is the re-released gamecube version of OOT actually keeps the green blood vs. the red blood in the original print (which my girlfriend has) Its kinda funny given Eternal Darkness and other games of that regard out ther for the Gamecube
well the proccessing center in trenton, but yes it was in NJ, but even before then they had a policy of holding mail for checks if it had no return address, those infamous letters actually had return addresses on some of them, they where false ones though
Back when I was working for the post office, it was policy where we where to not allow messages without return addresses, we handed them off to our postmaster and they checked them with the postal police (yes there really are post office police, you should have seen the videos they showed on stealing mail lol. ) to make sure they where ok to be sent. especially packages, course it might be just the general area (I worked in NJ)
No none do, its only stamped when the centeral prossessing plant gets it, which could be a few miles, or hundreds of miles away depending on where you live.
Today, all letters have to have return addresses, a few slip through that dont, but any letter that either
a) has a return address that is far from where the letter is mailed
b) has no return address, or an invalid one
is inspected and either sent to dead letters, or just takes longer to mail if its found to be ok.
Now letters could always be traced, when I worked at a post office over the summer the year before 9/11 we could trace letters back to the sending department perfectly fine. The barcode on the letter gives both the sending/receving/and transfer stations so the sorter can sort to the right trucks or route when it gets to your home post office.
I could honestly go on and on about the amount of technology that goes into your mail, but Im sure it will bore a lot of people, we had to watch 4 videos on how all the machines work and stuff, and all I did was deliver mail for a summer and never once had to touch any of the sorting equipment which was off limits to all but a few trained people (those are the guys who sit in the orange rooms if you ever look in the back of your bigger post offices, and those are also the ones you usually hear about going crazy cause they spend HOURS there from like 12:00 am to 7-8am) They go through a lot of training trust me.
Actually windows media is a peice of crap bloatware on the same level as quicktime player, and I actually run OS X which has a decoder but honestly everything I have seen even encoded in DivX has been shitty quality at best
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BLECH, I have yet to see a decent DivX player that doenst crash half the time MPG4 thankyou.
Yeah I have lost WAY too many hours of my life playing that game, and havent gotten any of the golden trophies yet (do have the biggerst house though)
You know, I play my PS2 for adventure, you know FF, Xenosaga, my Roll Playing games.
I play my girlfriends gamecube for fun, I lost at least 24 hours last week after we picked up Super Smash Brothers for the cube, and we had her whole family (including 50 year old parents) playing Mario Party.
Sure the gamecube games are slightly geared to younger players, but you know what, they are always fun.
Given a choice between the PS2 or the xBox, I would chose the PS2, even if the xBox is more powerful, most of the games either suck, are eye candy, or on pricipal I wont buy (Like Halo, which no mater how inovative it was, I will never forgive bungie for selling out to Microsoft so that Microsoft could turn around and stop production on the Mac and PC versions untill the xBox one was produced and out first)
But no mater what, their will always be a nintendo product sitting next to it.
NOOOOT entirely true, while yes Nuclear subs are not AS quiet as a diesel holding station (notice I said holding station, they where kinda loud at even 5 knots with batteries running) modern nuclear subs are just a little bit louder going 25-35 knots and then get louder as you head up to its top speed (estimated around 45-65 depending on the model and whos navy, the russians built some unbeleivable fast boats at the expense of sheilding for the crew)
Nuclear reactors on subs are actually pretty quiet, with a lot of special set-up to dampen the sound. You wouldnt even know it was running unless you where in the chamber
While holding you breath is kinda out, they still have a rig for extreme quiet command and yes banging something can be heard still (there are plenty of tales in relesed cold war history that talk about subs being tracked from crewmemebers humming or banging pots, the most famous being on of our subs tracking a delta 4 out of mermansk (sp?)
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I love my refurb edge, fits right in my pocket and its metal so I know it wont get trashed like my old plastic palm did.
Anyway, it is a battle cause everyone wants a winner even if there is no point.
Nintendo will alway have the youth market cause it makes great games for children, none of the other systems comes close.
Sony will always have a huge following cause they have a good system thats backwards compatable with a lot of decent games on both platforms, heck my girlfriend just bought a PS1 so many years AFTER it came out cause she loved the RPG's they had and is waiting for the PSX so didnt want to spend the money on a PS2. And yes I know people are like it sucks, but you know what, I LOVED the DVD feature, cause I didnt have a dvd player when I bought it, nor do I really have the space to have BOTH a dvd player and a game system in my appartment.
The xbox might win out in the future, but they have to buy there way there, which I feel is cheating but whatever. Some third parties are finally signing on (as opposed to advoiding it like it was a black hole when it first came out to the point that Microsoft bought game companies to write for it cough Bungie cough) The thing that will kill the xbox is that the Japanese HATE it. Microsoft could put a 50 inch plasma screen into the system and they will never like it cause they have a deep seated hatred for Microsoft and Bill Gates. The american market is big, but it seems to be the norm of if you cant get it big in Japan (where a lot of the system games are naufactured and developed, if you look a lot of the xBOx's games have been former PC games that where reworked for the system instead, Halo and such) then your going to be small here.
Of course the defining thing will be, who could get their system out first.
Back when I started college (im going onto my 5th year thanks to NJ's education schooling laws, I can have a 2.0 in general education to be a doctor but have to have almost a 3.0 in general ed to be a teacher, despite having a 4.0 in your respective field AS a teacher. btw I actually have a 3.4 in gen ed, but it was more cause I had to take my classes spread out among the 132 credits NJ requires)
anyway, when we started out, my school had 5 OS's!!! Windows was number 1 ovbiously, with Mac OS 8/9 (they really didnt keep up admin on them) with Solaris, Red Hat, and one other *nix I cant remeber (think it might have been IBM's)
Well to use your email, which you really had to do, you NEEDED to learn unix, cause guess what everything was done in telnet/terminal on PINE!!!! Wanted to use a graphic freindly program??? FUCK YOU IT said we aint helping you you need to lear PINE.
Well things have changed and I think for the worse, we have a webmail server now, and a lot of our nix's have well been nixed, and you know how the student population is now? DUMB SHITS!!!! they have trouble logging into a computer when before they were forced to learn they dont even care.
Trust me your going to be a goddsend when you come to college (if you do) if you learn Mac, Win, and at least two good *nix's, you will never want for a job cause your friends and teachers will PAY YOU to help them (I make 200 a week easy thanks to friends refuring me to help them cause IT is so swamped)
So dont buy into the one platform phil, get good at a few, trust me you will be happy you did!!!
See I as have my other techs, have always felt Apple was the absolute BEST platform for elementary school students. The abuse those machines get (three CD's in one drive, Juice box gunk in the keyboard) and yet on adverage we lose maybe 2 or 3 iMacs a year (all bondi blues surprisingly, I have only lost one slot load to an actual motherboard getting fried, although I have had to replace 5 or 10 cd-rom drives, my favorite, no you cant put your ham in the CD-Rom, no I do not kid!!!)
For a long time we we where a tri-platform school, Windows in the high school and with the secretaries, macs in the middle school and elemetary school (with a few in the highschool for video and graphics courses.) and two machines running linux for a management software called SAMS.
In comes our new tech adviser to help us expand everything, what does he do, tries to get rid of all 2500 iMacs we have and buy computers from Dell, to supliment our 250 PC's. Yes thats right trash BRAND NEW computers in some cases just to make everything two platform (he tried to trash the linux boxes but was hit with a block when we showed him SAMS only works good on linux)
Its not IT people who make these desicions, its administators, some of whom have never taught in a classroom (this guy doesnt even have a degree in education) who make stupid decision without asking "why are you running things like that?"
After seeing that we only had one part time IT member for the Mac's though and 3 full time and 3 part time staff members for the PC's( in all fareness we all do all three platforms but we have specializations I the mac guy, and everyone else specialized in some perticular way with a part of the OS or network admin), the board of education made him back down or risk getting his contracts ripped up, and as it is after its up he is probably not comming back, but still this is the situation you run into, and IT staff sometimes gets little more say than yes sir no sir.
Heck even when I suggested getting eMacs cause they where cheaper (we could buy more software or equipment for the teachers, or dare I say TRAINNING since they where using OS X instead of 9) I was turned down cause they wanted the fancy iMacs that my assistant super. had. Forget I ever try to save them money again!!!
Itrs annoying, but you just have to play the system.
GOD im a geek
One rule of advice though, GET MEMORY!!!! I ended up putting the full gig of dimms in and it runs almost as fast as our sawtooth at work. Memory helps big time!!!!
Cause thats what Im doing RIGHT NOW :-D
btw I thought they where supposed to fix this bullshit when the power went out in the 70's??? if the same thing happened AGAIN who dropped the ball on retrofitting the power supply to let it grow with the rest of the usage
It so nice to just flip a switch to decided on what system I want (PS2,Gamecube, SNES, NES, and a modded 2600 with RCA outs instead of a RF switch)
Now the question remains, will Nvidea now talk to Sony/Nintendo about making cards for either systems? I know it wont be for the PSX since thats pretty much a PS 2 with a DVD burner and hard drive installed, but what about a PS3? That could be an interesting turn of events
Which is kinda sad really since his former self was something most IT people loathed as well.
Why anyone still pays attention to that man, I dont know, he just seems to jump bandwagon to bandwagon with no really good technical insight anymore. Sad really cause he used to be slightly interesting.
In Seaside NJ there is a retro arcade that has it and I play it all the time. (and if you wondering, some games like asteroids have a WAIT!!!, and the arcade has plenty of new games, the older stuff is THAT popular.)
Its my second favoirite vector game, Tempest is my all time favorite with asteroids being a third.
Yeah even at 6 I realized this game really wasnt explained very well in the instructions (and if you didnt know you had to use both controlers, not one, yeah WAY too complicated to run on the atari 2600) At least Space Shuttle for the 2600 TOLD you it was going to be complicated as hell.
Great, I just bought it two weeks ago and havent played it yet really (Still working on .hack infection cause I only play it with my girlfriend around, and xenosaga when Im alone) but if thats all the game is, fucking forget it, Extream RPG playing my ass (That was the advertising slogan on playonline.com)
I thought something was strange when I saw it was already marked down to 40 bucks, but now Im just pissed as hell.
Hopefully I can get some money back from EB!!!!!!!
Ataris problem was it wasn't the blockbuster they thought it would be, it did nothing new for the system, it was just a game.
Now what I recently played thats horrable compaired to the arcade version was Ataris version of Star Wars, The Arcade Game for the 2600 (big hint, DONT DO VECTOR GRAPHIC GAMES IF THE SYSTEM CANT REALLY PRODUCE VECTOR GRAPHICS!!!!)
People are going to go with Sony simply cause EA is the better brand, even if Microsofts lineup is superior. Everyone has grown up with EA games, and knows what to expect.
Squaresoft works with Sony and the PS development team because of Nintendo forcing their views on them. It created a huge rift that is only now starting to clear up with Final Fantasy: CC. While the Japan versions of the game where unedited, NOA ripped apart or compleatly blocked (FF 2,3, and 5 which where blocked cause they where too hard for American audiences) so many games Square had just had it and the CEO ripped Nintendo apart when they declared their move to Sony final. Even as recent as 3 years ago there was still fighting between them which is why this new FF game for nintendo is such a surprise As for the ganon blood issue, what I find funny is the re-released gamecube version of OOT actually keeps the green blood vs. the red blood in the original print (which my girlfriend has) Its kinda funny given Eternal Darkness and other games of that regard out ther for the Gamecube
The other one, Blanca is annoying but the other one WOW is he a pain
well the proccessing center in trenton, but yes it was in NJ, but even before then they had a policy of holding mail for checks if it had no return address, those infamous letters actually had return addresses on some of them, they where false ones though
Back when I was working for the post office, it was policy where we where to not allow messages without return addresses, we handed them off to our postmaster and they checked them with the postal police (yes there really are post office police, you should have seen the videos they showed on stealing mail lol. ) to make sure they where ok to be sent. especially packages, course it might be just the general area (I worked in NJ)
Today, all letters have to have return addresses, a few slip through that dont, but any letter that either
a) has a return address that is far from where the letter is mailed
b) has no return address, or an invalid one
is inspected and either sent to dead letters, or just takes longer to mail if its found to be ok.
Now letters could always be traced, when I worked at a post office over the summer the year before 9/11 we could trace letters back to the sending department perfectly fine. The barcode on the letter gives both the sending/receving/and transfer stations so the sorter can sort to the right trucks or route when it gets to your home post office.
I could honestly go on and on about the amount of technology that goes into your mail, but Im sure it will bore a lot of people, we had to watch 4 videos on how all the machines work and stuff, and all I did was deliver mail for a summer and never once had to touch any of the sorting equipment which was off limits to all but a few trained people (those are the guys who sit in the orange rooms if you ever look in the back of your bigger post offices, and those are also the ones you usually hear about going crazy cause they spend HOURS there from like 12:00 am to 7-8am) They go through a lot of training trust me.
sept when you on that train, GOD I want to shoot that stupid cat
Actually windows media is a peice of crap bloatware on the same level as quicktime player, and I actually run OS X which has a decoder but honestly everything I have seen even encoded in DivX has been shitty quality at best
BLECH, I have yet to see a decent DivX player that doenst crash half the time MPG4 thankyou.
Yeah I have lost WAY too many hours of my life playing that game, and havent gotten any of the golden trophies yet (do have the biggerst house though)
You know, I play my PS2 for adventure, you know FF, Xenosaga, my Roll Playing games.
I play my girlfriends gamecube for fun, I lost at least 24 hours last week after we picked up Super Smash Brothers for the cube, and we had her whole family (including 50 year old parents) playing Mario Party.
Sure the gamecube games are slightly geared to younger players, but you know what, they are always fun.
Given a choice between the PS2 or the xBox, I would chose the PS2, even if the xBox is more powerful, most of the games either suck, are eye candy, or on pricipal I wont buy (Like Halo, which no mater how inovative it was, I will never forgive bungie for selling out to Microsoft so that Microsoft could turn around and stop production on the Mac and PC versions untill the xBox one was produced and out first)
But no mater what, their will always be a nintendo product sitting next to it.
Nuclear reactors on subs are actually pretty quiet, with a lot of special set-up to dampen the sound. You wouldnt even know it was running unless you where in the chamber
While holding you breath is kinda out, they still have a rig for extreme quiet command and yes banging something can be heard still (there are plenty of tales in relesed cold war history that talk about subs being tracked from crewmemebers humming or banging pots, the most famous being on of our subs tracking a delta 4 out of mermansk (sp?)
and btw the xserve is actually reallly quiet