---->"1) Most politicians are lawyers, philosphers, judges, etc. Thus they will see these sorts of things from their perspective."
They are clueless.. The awe awesome on making laws that either cannot be enforced or make things worse.. Sorry but I fail at not having a clue about technology.. as far as laws.. I think of them as a solution that meets requirements.. They seem to not know what the requirements are to address the problem.
-----> "2) Techies have a serious communication problem. They believe in free without copyright, right to pirate, etc, etc. Take that attitude to lawyers and guess what answer you are going to get."
Your painting everyone with a pretty broad brush.. There are many types of people that do things for different reasons. There are people that "pirate" content for many reasons.
A) The content is not made available in their area.. So Piracy is the only way to obtain it.
B) Convenience VS Price.. By forcing people to Brick and Mortar stores.. Tying content to something that people Refuse to deal with (IE only available on the Apple store or similar service.. AT&T and the I-Phone would be a good example here).. alot of companies are short sighted and do not understand the consumers they are dealing with and demand customers meet their needs.. when its the consumer has the dollars and if a company does not meet their expectations the sale is lost.
C) Price VS the useability for a customer. There are alot of products out there that are not priced and marketed to all group of people.. I am not going to pay 800$ for an application that I will use once or twice a year.. and be required to pay that ammount ever 2-3 years..
----> 3) Techies don't get the business world. They don't think in terms of ROI, etc. And last I looked that is how the world turns, ROI, etc.
Business not get their consumers.. you have it backwards
---> Techies need to start policing themselves. Yes BitTorrent has a real need, but until these protocols are managed to stop piracy nothing will change.
There is a number of people that are cheap and just simply will not pay for anything.. if it comes down to paying for something or not have it.. The will do without.. but since they do have a avenue available to get the content without paying for it they go that route. but does this group of people need to be policed.. if these were the only people left pirating content because business finally gets the consumers and can meet their needs and content is priced appropriately there are no lost sales as this group of people will do without rather than pay.. so resources that could be used on something productive will be wasted on not something that will not show any return(Thats just bad business)
There are studies that show that downloaded "pirated" movies/mp3's can bolster sales.. as people that would not normally buy them.. see them for no cost and then make the purchase.. Its kinda like test driving a car before you buy it.. Should dealerships stop letting customers see anything but marketing literature on the car they want to buy a new car.. no they let them sit in the car and drive it before they buy it.
Well with the way MS is Forcing Vista down everyones throats that buy a new PC (Downgrade rights.. Are a joke.. we all know when the average person buys a PC the way its installed is the way it stays.. Case and Point.. is Why Firefox isn't more widely used.. very few Average users will download a new web browser case the one they have seem to meet their browsing needs.)
I am sure that MS is behind the OEM's pulling strings to make it difficult for OEMs to offer XP instead of Vista..(Dell having a extra charge or OEMS just not having an option available to Home users).
If OEM's offered XP and Vista for the same price and but no road blocks up on buying a new PC with XP.. MS would have to put more effort into "Innovation" and stability for OS releases..
Right now the number MS is pushing out to everyone is the number of Vista licenes sold.. it does not show how many people have downgraded or opted for the XP downgrade (when they fgoind a way to do it).. and any home user getting a new PC without any type of Vista licence.. I think its a Urban Legend.
Their sales model should reflect what they are supporting.. and they should not force licensing on anyone of something they will not use.
Or how about Library's.. Use of a Library's resources are pretty much free (Other than the tax dollars that you don't think about going to pay for those resources)..
FOSS is similar.. The Software is Free as in no cost to you the end user unless you chose to pay (Via Donations or Support contracts or sponsorship ect).. "Revenue" can be collected in many many ways for FOSS.. Be it satisfaction of developing software that is of high quality and becomes mainstream or just highly useful to a small niche of people using it.. Money isn't everything to everyone.. Payment enough could be making a group of people happy with something you have done.
Obviously some of these people have stopped enducating themselves and have closed the door on new thought which is counter productive for a learning institution.
You just made my point.. He says that the end points are the highly insecure.. which in your chain.. They would be Links made of tissue and while the rest of of the encrypted chain would be wood as you suggest.. That still leaves the the endpoints being weak making encryption moot..
Unbreakable crypto on the other hand would remove the doubt of where Interception could take place and the only place to look would be the endpoint for intrusion.
The best and only answer is to buy a drive/usb stick (Depending how much stuff you wanna take photo's of) while your in the US if its a drive buy a IDE/SATA to USB setup and store all of your stuff on that and send it via mail to yourself..
But as far as ripping anything onto your drive.. Good luck with that.. Thats what they will be looking for and as far as RIAA and the MPAA are concerned there is no legal way/reason for you to do this.. Its wrong it goes against fair use.. but what are you going to do.. Argue with the border guard that you have exercised your fair use rights and spend the night in jail and goto court over it? Its just not worth it. Buy a paperback book to read or sleep on the plane.
I would even go as far as to buy a new drive format it and install your OS so that you have a perfectly clean drive for them to inspect if it goes to that point and there is 0 chance of them finding anything that could be mistaken as copy written material.
Well if that is really True then the town should revoke The Telecoms Business License to help the town rid itself of Monopolistic thugs.
In todays age.. Where Fiber is going to be the dilevery method that everything comes over.. The Towns/CIties should own that Infrastructure so that we don't see the Telco's/Cable companies maintain monopolies and open the doors to competitive services.
If you are going to make a big order I am sure dell will waive the "Downgrade" Fee.. A Sale is a Sale is a Sale.. and if you tell them that you will goto HP on a 50K sale because of the 50$ fee that HP doesn't charge.. Dell will promo the fee.
But this doesn't help home users unless enough people bawk at the fee and tell them they lost business due to the fee.
Read your Windows Licence.. Its not transferable or reusable on any PC other than the one it was originally installed on. (Unless you have some Volume License that states otherwise)
He probably would be better off with Packet over Avian Carrier or Packet over Caribou..
Northern Canada is covered in forest and Just taking a guess.. depending on how far north he is.. he could be 6+ hours drive to the nearest point of civilization and what type of access it would have who knows.. maybe 56K dial-up could be considered high-speed new fangled technology there:)
I am shocked I haven't seen any comments about Igloo's yet.
He is in Northern Canada... its highly likely He has no other choice.. Its likely he is using VoIP because there are no copper lines for 100's of miles. Its likely he is even running of a generator for power..
Being in northern Canada.. its much like being in the middle of the ocean.. Good luck on getting a landline:)
If you have any Router or other electronic gadget that uses AC power and freezes or malfunctions.. Toss it on a Power conditioning UPS.. Get it off AC.. Brownouts are what causes Electronics to go haywire.. if that doesn't fix the issue then I would look at the hardware itself..
If you paid 11.95 for a Gigabit Wifi Router that was being sold off the back of a truck just off the interstate with a name that you can't pronouce... I might skip the UPS if you have stable power and go buy a new one that has a name that you recognize.
Why not look at data from most any other country on dialup usage when broadband is available? This would give you some real data..
But instead there is a study which the results could be tainted/tuned to make people feel good about current broadband deployment.
Most areas in Canada have dial up alternatives(You need to not live in the boondocks where there is no broadband because your the only person living for 5 square miles or your hours away from a urban centere) for 12-15$ a month (Its usually about 128K service which ends up being 3-4 times faster (who actually ever gets a 56K connection dial up.. Its pretty rare if ever)
Not to mention they never asked these people why they would never change no matter what.. They could have atleast asked them if they would agree to the statement.. "Change is the Devil and I wont have any part of it".. or "I am too caught up forgetting about Evolution and Spreading the word about Intelligent Design to figure out broadband"
Its likely this study was done so that the Big Broadband players have something to tout about showing people "Facts" about how good they are doing so they arn't mandated to roll out more broadband.
I hate going down this road.. But Java Is a crippled language these days... Its is Very very rare to find a java app that is not tied to a platform in some way... (Be it a Java app that is tied to a specific browser or OS or Version of Java).. That its simply easier and faster to find a App that was natively complied for the platform you are using.
If Java wasn't being taught in pretty much every Teaching institution I think we would not see any Java apps out there...
Vista is new.. It has Eye Candy.. There for it must be better.
Hmm.. where is the logic in that..
Vista has a foundation build in DRM... DRM that will lock you out of your own files.. Content you created will have restrictions set by the RIAA and the MPAA.. How does this make sense? But it has Eye candy and was just released.. So It better
Hmm... Are you sure its better?
Why did my router just stop working.. It still works with all my other PC's that don't have vista.. Damn its not vista compatible.. I will have to go out and buy a new router that is Certified Vista Compatible.(Ignoring those poor people that Bought Intel PC's that were tagged compatible but barely run Vista)Because Vista is newer and has eye candy so it must be better.
Ok wait one second.. a Router that worked last week.. and still works just not after you upgraded or installed Vista... Now don't you think Vista is not compatible with Industry standard equipment? Who is to say MS wont make yet another change next week and that new router you bought will stop working again because teh company doesn't want to release a firmware update instead they wont you to go buy another new router.
Come on.. Vista is garbage.. Its a Bad idea... and most people wont realize it until its the Defacto standard OS being sold and shipped..
Notice MS is not giving out any other numbers than Vista units sold..
No numbers about how many have downgraded to the free XP license that comes with Vista... No numbers on people that Initally registered with Vista and are once again using XP machines..
Nintendo marketing: Its uncrackable.. No-one will ever be able to bypass this new update.
Teh Community: Depends how much Free time I have... If I didn't have to goto work or socialize.. Probably about week.. but its summer.. so it could take a month.
Honestly how the hell is a Border guard going to figure out what I have purchased and what I haven't on my 160 Gig Ipod when I cross the border,.
Worse yet.. How are they going to distinguish what content I have exercised my Fair use rights VS Downloaded material that does not fall under Fair use.
This should be labeled something like the Pipedream Trade Agreement.
Then there are people that buy Copy Protection... "Ok.. if it Truly can't be copied.. Then how am I going to mass produce it." never seems to enter their minds.
There really needs to be some studies done on people that make these types of Claims.. Exactly how delusional are these people.. or is it a simple case of diminished mental capacity.. Or is it not the people that make the claims but the people that buy into the marketing Hype that have the issues that should be studied.
These types of Schemes should be rated in the number of Weeks from launch it will take for the technology to be Hacked/Cracked/Made Irrelevant by the "Internet People"..
But alot of the issue is Patents are not being used as they were intended.. They were initially to protect Research and Development work so that companies and recoup and profit from R&D work..
Now Patents are used to Gouge the market place by stifling/eliminating competition or just plain flat out extort companies.
I am sorry but anything that took less than 1000 man hours to Develop Does not need a patent.. with that little amount of work.. It should be about Quality of the product and beating competition to the marketplace that will give you return on your R&D investment.. (Hell it could even be 100 man hours.. as long as you don't count how long it took a lawyer to come up with wording that is generalized and wide sweeping)
When asked at gunpoint if they agree that Internet Censorship is a good thing for China 85% of people agreed.
In other news.. During a Internet related survey 15% of the people surveyed were terrorists involved in a plot to undermine the governments authority and its ability to protect its citizens from disinformation.
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---->"1) Most politicians are lawyers, philosphers, judges, etc. Thus they will see these sorts of things from their perspective."
They are clueless.. The awe awesome on making laws that either cannot be enforced or make things worse.. Sorry but I fail at not having a clue about technology.. as far as laws.. I think of them as a solution that meets requirements.. They seem to not know what the requirements are to address the problem.
-----> "2) Techies have a serious communication problem. They believe in free without copyright, right to pirate, etc, etc. Take that attitude to lawyers and guess what answer you are going to get."
Your painting everyone with a pretty broad brush.. There are many types of people that do things for different reasons. There are people that "pirate" content for many reasons.
A) The content is not made available in their area.. So Piracy is the only way to obtain it.
B) Convenience VS Price.. By forcing people to Brick and Mortar stores.. Tying content to something that people Refuse to deal with (IE only available on the Apple store or similar service.. AT&T and the I-Phone would be a good example here).. alot of companies are short sighted and do not understand the consumers they are dealing with and demand customers meet their needs.. when its the consumer has the dollars and if a company does not meet their expectations the sale is lost.
C) Price VS the useability for a customer. There are alot of products out there that are not priced and marketed to all group of people.. I am not going to pay 800$ for an application that I will use once or twice a year.. and be required to pay that ammount ever 2-3 years..
----> 3) Techies don't get the business world. They don't think in terms of ROI, etc. And last I looked that is how the world turns, ROI, etc.
Business not get their consumers.. you have it backwards
---> Techies need to start policing themselves. Yes BitTorrent has a real need, but until these protocols are managed to stop piracy nothing will change.
There is a number of people that are cheap and just simply will not pay for anything.. if it comes down to paying for something or not have it.. The will do without.. but since they do have a avenue available to get the content without paying for it they go that route. but does this group of people need to be policed.. if these were the only people left pirating content because business finally gets the consumers and can meet their needs and content is priced appropriately there are no lost sales as this group of people will do without rather than pay.. so resources that could be used on something productive will be wasted on not something that will not show any return(Thats just bad business)
There are studies that show that downloaded "pirated" movies/mp3's can bolster sales.. as people that would not normally buy them.. see them for no cost and then make the purchase.. Its kinda like test driving a car before you buy it.. Should dealerships stop letting customers see anything but marketing literature on the car they want to buy a new car.. no they let them sit in the car and drive it before they buy it.
Well with the way MS is Forcing Vista down everyones throats that buy a new PC (Downgrade rights.. Are a joke.. we all know when the average person buys a PC the way its installed is the way it stays.. Case and Point.. is Why Firefox isn't more widely used.. very few Average users will download a new web browser case the one they have seem to meet their browsing needs.)
I am sure that MS is behind the OEM's pulling strings to make it difficult for OEMs to offer XP instead of Vista..(Dell having a extra charge or OEMS just not having an option available to Home users).
If OEM's offered XP and Vista for the same price and but no road blocks up on buying a new PC with XP.. MS would have to put more effort into "Innovation" and stability for OS releases..
Right now the number MS is pushing out to everyone is the number of Vista licenes sold.. it does not show how many people have downgraded or opted for the XP downgrade (when they fgoind a way to do it).. and any home user getting a new PC without any type of Vista licence.. I think its a Urban Legend.
Their sales model should reflect what they are supporting.. and they should not force licensing on anyone of something they will not use.
And they wonder why TV shows are so popular on Torrent sites..
You put people in the backseat not give them what they want and then wonder why they circumvent your revenue stream..
Or how about Library's.. Use of a Library's resources are pretty much free (Other than the tax dollars that you don't think about going to pay for those resources)..
FOSS is similar.. The Software is Free as in no cost to you the end user unless you chose to pay (Via Donations or Support contracts or sponsorship ect).. "Revenue" can be collected in many many ways for FOSS.. Be it satisfaction of developing software that is of high quality and becomes mainstream or just highly useful to a small niche of people using it.. Money isn't everything to everyone.. Payment enough could be making a group of people happy with something you have done.
Obviously some of these people have stopped enducating themselves and have closed the door on new thought which is counter productive for a learning institution.
You just made my point.. He says that the end points are the highly insecure.. which in your chain.. They would be Links made of tissue and while the rest of of the encrypted chain would be wood as you suggest.. That still leaves the the endpoints being weak making encryption moot..
Unbreakable crypto on the other hand would remove the doubt of where Interception could take place and the only place to look would be the endpoint for intrusion.
So why Bother encrypting at all.. If endpoints are so insecure...
But you atleast know Big brother didn't snoop in on your network in the middle with a warrentless search.
Its all about raising the barrier of entry..
The best and only answer is to buy a drive/usb stick (Depending how much stuff you wanna take photo's of) while your in the US if its a drive buy a IDE/SATA to USB setup and store all of your stuff on that and send it via mail to yourself..
But as far as ripping anything onto your drive.. Good luck with that.. Thats what they will be looking for and as far as RIAA and the MPAA are concerned there is no legal way/reason for you to do this.. Its wrong it goes against fair use.. but what are you going to do.. Argue with the border guard that you have exercised your fair use rights and spend the night in jail and goto court over it? Its just not worth it. Buy a paperback book to read or sleep on the plane.
I would even go as far as to buy a new drive format it and install your OS so that you have a perfectly clean drive for them to inspect if it goes to that point and there is 0 chance of them finding anything that could be mistaken as copy written material.
"they only sued to save Monticello from itself"
Well if that is really True then the town should revoke The Telecoms Business License to help the town rid itself of Monopolistic thugs.
In todays age.. Where Fiber is going to be the dilevery method that everything comes over.. The Towns/CIties should own that Infrastructure so that we don't see the Telco's/Cable companies maintain monopolies and open the doors to competitive services.
If you are going to make a big order I am sure dell will waive the "Downgrade" Fee.. A Sale is a Sale is a Sale.. and if you tell them that you will goto HP on a 50K sale because of the 50$ fee that HP doesn't charge.. Dell will promo the fee.
But this doesn't help home users unless enough people bawk at the fee and tell them they lost business due to the fee.
Read your Windows Licence.. Its not transferable or reusable on any PC other than the one it was originally installed on. (Unless you have some Volume License that states otherwise)
He probably would be better off with Packet over Avian Carrier or Packet over Caribou..
Northern Canada is covered in forest and Just taking a guess.. depending on how far north he is.. he could be 6+ hours drive to the nearest point of civilization and what type of access it would have who knows.. maybe 56K dial-up could be considered high-speed new fangled technology there :)
I am shocked I haven't seen any comments about Igloo's yet.
He is in Northern Canada... its highly likely He has no other choice.. Its likely he is using VoIP because there are no copper lines for 100's of miles. Its likely he is even running of a generator for power..
Being in northern Canada.. its much like being in the middle of the ocean.. Good luck on getting a landline :)
I think the above comment about Google searching the logs for Viacom employees is waaay more valid :)
If you have any Router or other electronic gadget that uses AC power and freezes or malfunctions.. Toss it on a Power conditioning UPS.. Get it off AC.. Brownouts are what causes Electronics to go haywire.. if that doesn't fix the issue then I would look at the hardware itself..
If you paid 11.95 for a Gigabit Wifi Router that was being sold off the back of a truck just off the interstate with a name that you can't pronouce... I might skip the UPS if you have stable power and go buy a new one that has a name that you recognize.
Write on the back of your next payment to AOL
By cashing this Cheque AOL agrees it is their fault I am downloading Music/Video's and accepts full responsibility of my actions on the internet.
It would be quite humorous to see what they would do. or if they caught it at all.
Why not look at data from most any other country on dialup usage when broadband is available? This would give you some real data..
But instead there is a study which the results could be tainted/tuned to make people feel good about current broadband deployment.
Most areas in Canada have dial up alternatives(You need to not live in the boondocks where there is no broadband because your the only person living for 5 square miles or your hours away from a urban centere) for 12-15$ a month (Its usually about 128K service which ends up being 3-4 times faster (who actually ever gets a 56K connection dial up.. Its pretty rare if ever)
Not to mention they never asked these people why they would never change no matter what.. They could have atleast asked them if they would agree to the statement.. "Change is the Devil and I wont have any part of it".. or "I am too caught up forgetting about Evolution and Spreading the word about Intelligent Design to figure out broadband"
Its likely this study was done so that the Big Broadband players have something to tout about showing people "Facts" about how good they are doing so they arn't mandated to roll out more broadband.
I hate going down this road.. But Java Is a crippled language these days... Its is Very very rare to find a java app that is not tied to a platform in some way... (Be it a Java app that is tied to a specific browser or OS or Version of Java).. That its simply easier and faster to find a App that was natively complied for the platform you are using.
If Java wasn't being taught in pretty much every Teaching institution I think we would not see any Java apps out there...
But the Real question everyone needs to know..
Does it blend?
Vista is new.. It has Eye Candy.. There for it must be better.
Hmm.. where is the logic in that..
Vista has a foundation build in DRM... DRM that will lock you out of your own files.. Content you created will have restrictions set by the RIAA and the MPAA.. How does this make sense? But it has Eye candy and was just released.. So It better
Hmm... Are you sure its better?
Why did my router just stop working.. It still works with all my other PC's that don't have vista.. Damn its not vista compatible.. I will have to go out and buy a new router that is Certified Vista Compatible.(Ignoring those poor people that Bought Intel PC's that were tagged compatible but barely run Vista)Because Vista is newer and has eye candy so it must be better.
Ok wait one second.. a Router that worked last week.. and still works just not after you upgraded or installed Vista... Now don't you think Vista is not compatible with Industry standard equipment? Who is to say MS wont make yet another change next week and that new router you bought will stop working again because teh company doesn't want to release a firmware update instead they wont you to go buy another new router.
Come on.. Vista is garbage.. Its a Bad idea... and most people wont realize it until its the Defacto standard OS being sold and shipped..
Notice MS is not giving out any other numbers than Vista units sold..
No numbers about how many have downgraded to the free XP license that comes with Vista... No numbers on people that Initally registered with Vista and are once again using XP machines..
Well that all depends who you talk to.
Nintendo marketing:
Its uncrackable.. No-one will ever be able to bypass this new update.
Teh Community:
Depends how much Free time I have... If I didn't have to goto work or socialize.. Probably about week.. but its summer.. so it could take a month.
They just need to Push the envelope and get the owner of the Printer Served trial documents :)
Honestly how the hell is a Border guard going to figure out what I have purchased and what I haven't on my 160 Gig Ipod when I cross the border,.
Worse yet.. How are they going to distinguish what content I have exercised my Fair use rights VS Downloaded material that does not fall under Fair use.
This should be labeled something like the Pipedream Trade Agreement.
If it can be Encrypted it can be decrypted..
Then there are people that buy Copy Protection... "Ok.. if it Truly can't be copied.. Then how am I going to mass produce it." never seems to enter their minds.
There really needs to be some studies done on people that make these types of Claims.. Exactly how delusional are these people.. or is it a simple case of diminished mental capacity.. Or is it not the people that make the claims but the people that buy into the marketing Hype that have the issues that should be studied.
These types of Schemes should be rated in the number of Weeks from launch it will take for the technology to be Hacked/Cracked/Made Irrelevant by the "Internet People"..
an IP tax may help some..
But alot of the issue is Patents are not being used as they were intended.. They were initially to protect Research and Development work so that companies and recoup and profit from R&D work..
Now Patents are used to Gouge the market place by stifling/eliminating competition or just plain flat out extort companies.
I am sorry but anything that took less than 1000 man hours to Develop Does not need a patent.. with that little amount of work.. It should be about Quality of the product and beating competition to the marketplace that will give you return on your R&D investment.. (Hell it could even be 100 man hours.. as long as you don't count how long it took a lawyer to come up with wording that is generalized and wide sweeping)
85% of Chinese Citizens Like Internet Censorship
When asked at gunpoint if they agree that Internet Censorship is a good thing for China 85% of people agreed.
In other news.. During a Internet related survey 15% of the people surveyed were terrorists involved in a plot to undermine the governments authority and its ability to protect its citizens from disinformation.