That is why we should have been putting effort into something 100% backwards compatible with X11... X12. All kinds of things COULD have been rolled in- compression, local cursor, broadcast, etc.
We run over 150 [Linux based] thin clients using X11R7, and before than, on X11R6. And being thin, that means remoting the ENTIRE DESKTOP SESSION- window manager, clients, everything. And those client apps come from various places on various servers, sometimes even the local machine.
Now, this is a *BUSINESS* environment.... we are not trying to push video games, music, or movies through X11. That won't work well. But Firefox, LibreOffice, Clawsmail, GIMP, Pluma, Inkscape, Pidgin, PDF viewers/writers, etc, and all our AP/GL/AR/Payroll/etc work just dandy.
Exactly. I have been saying this from the start. It isn't just that Wayland can't replace what X11 does, it also will *DESTROY* our choice to use X11 just as soon as some of the major apps are ported to it and X11 becomes an afterthought.
I don't care how fancy or modern Wayland is- to me it is a mistake. That effort should have gone into making X12 instead.
Not on any map I have ever seen in my life. Combining the two continents of North America and South America would be just about as ridiculous and illogical as combining Africa and Eurasia.
The concept of a continent is slightly arbitrary, but they are just large, mostly separate land masses.... so there are 6 of them (or 7 if you consider Greenland to be big enough, which few people do). I have never seen ANY reference to Central America being a continent... it is not large and certainly not separate, disconnected, or a distinct physical area. North and South America are, independently, very large, and highly disconnected.
Europe is not a continent, neither is Asia. It is one land mass with no disconnect or border at all, and trying to pretend they are separate continents is purely a political/fantasy. The name for it is Eurasia. India is not a continent- but you could consider it a sub-continent because it is on a different techtonic plate. North America and South America are on different plates. Interestingly, although Central America is NOT a continent, it *is* on a separate plate (just like the Arabian area of the Eurasian Continent is on a separate plate).
Yes, it is creepy, and nerdy/dorky, and stupid. It is called "free advertising" for Google and I don't like it either. It is especially annoying on my Android Wear watch, because it is cumbersome to activate a voice prompt without saying it.
>"The app, [...] Hands Free works by tracking your location using Wi-Fi and other sensors in your smartphone to detect whether you're near a participating store. After you say "I'll pay with Google," the cashier confirms your identity by using your initials and the photo you've loaded onto the Hands Free app. "
No thanks. Have a wallet since I have to carry certain ID's, and will carry cash. My wallet contains at least one credit card. One swipe (or insert) and done. No batteries. No unlocking. No codes. No apps. No need for signal. No extra layers of tracking. No free vocal Google advertising. No compatibility issues.
I am all for choices- and if people want phone-pay, great... just don't try to take away my simple card or cash!!
Quite the rant. A little bit of it is actually accurate. But doesn't change the fact that the continent is not called "America" and that citizens of the USA are called "Americans".
And also from the Wikipedia intro: "A continent is one of several very large landmasses on Earth. [...]These are (from largest in size to smallest): Asia, Africa, North America, South America, Antarctica, Europe, and Australia"
>"This is what AdBlock is for, to get rid of these crappy fear-ware ads. I honestly don't mind seeing ads that don't get in my face."
And that is fine for you, but for me, "in my face" means something very different. I actually agree 100% with Adblock's definition of acceptable ads... and the ones Slashdot run don't adhere to it. The biggest for me are:
No animation or motion, ever No mouse-overs No video or audio unless specifically clicked on No pop-ups/unders,or timebombs
And I would guess that about 98% of the ads on the web fail with just those three. Unfortunately,it seems like 33% or more of websites' CONTENT now fails too.:( I went on CNN the other day and couldn't believe the horrible experience I had- what an incredibly crappy site now.
>"RACIST bullshit nomination. Of course Obama picks a person of African American descent. He sees ONLY race. Scum."
Of course your post is a troll (and already modded down), but I find it amusing that you would post such a thing. So if Bush appointed a European American, would that be seeing only race?
Hopefully he picked the best candidate for the job... someone who has the best experience and fit. If that happens to be someone black or a woman or both, that is perfectly fine. If she was picked BECAUSE she was black or a woman (or both), then that would be bad.
I wouldn't want to jump to any conclusions without having done a lot of research... something I am sure most people commenting on Slashdot have not done.
Are you kidding me??? $100... a "big bill". What planet are they living on? You can't even buy a decent amount of groceries for $100. The $100 bill is probably worth HALF of what it was when they discontinued the $500 bill in 1969.
Please keep your hands off my cash. It is one of the last remaining ways to keep corporations and government from totally controlling us.
>"found that drinking two additional cups of coffee a day was linked to a 44% lower risk of developing liver cirrhosis."
Correlation is not causality. And yet people fall for this type of stuff all the time. Wake me up when they produce an actual, double-blind and verified study.
>"You don't need to actively monitor. Just the knowledge that the monitoring exists will (hopefully) affect the risk/reward calculations just enough to keep the stupidity to a dull roar."
And what you end up with are people growing up with no real morals. They do the "right" thing only BECAUSE they think they are being watched. So what do they do when they think they are not being watched (and really not being watched)? It also brings up another generation believing that this new, even more invasive level of monitoring of their lives is "normal" and "acceptable." And the later backlash and revolt might be even stronger than ever seen.
Plus, if you watch someone all the time, you will ALWAYS find something they did "wrong". It is an extremely slippery slope and dangerous path our so-called "free" society is taking with all this never-ending monitoring, spying, and recording of people and what they do.
Hate to admit it but, yep... I carry an alpha pager with me as well as a phone. Why? Because pagers have a much better coverage area, and are generally more reliable. It is used not only for emergency alerts (system down, etc) but also inside the huge building by people to alert to call them (they don't supply cell phones, nor do I want a "work" cell phone, nor do I want my users having MY phone number).
I hope to rid myself of it one day... cell coverage has improved so much over the years. If I could find a way to SIMULATE a pager with a separate phone number, I might could try right now....
>Doesn't matter. That's still denialism. It still does not work. The end user will throw the software in trash. There must be compatibility even for badly-designed documents, because in real life we have those as well.
Yes it does matter, because the point is that a very badly formatted document or one that uses non-standard fonts is just as likely to not look the same from various people USING MS-OFFICE as is does when viewed by various people using LibreOffice.
>"It depends on the document. I still regularly encounter Word docs and Powerpoint presentations that don't render properly in LibreOffice; it'll be interesting to see how 5.1 improves that though."
Most of the time, although not all of the time, it is due to either a very poorly formatted document, or using non-standard fonts, or both. At this point, it seems almost as likely that different versions of MS-Office with different OS's and different font sets have about the same success/failure rate as sharing those proprietary formats with LibreOffice (of course, your results may vary).
It is rare I have any cross-software issues with typical documents, although it does happen sometimes, and I use nothing but LibreOffice and get all kinds of proprietary MS-Office documents every day.
What is interesting is that I sometimes will send ODF files back at them now, and rarely get complaints anymore. Not sure if this means MS-Office can generally/finally read ODF files. (I used to send only PDF or if I knew they had to edit it, I would send an MS-Office format back to them, exported from LibreOffice, IN ADDITION to the ODF file).
Wake me up in several or more years when something is actually available, works, and is really backwards compatible. Meanwhile, those of us who depend on thin clients really do have a problem with throwing away X11.
I am a bit passionate about these issues, because they greatly negatively affect our platform/infrastructure in ways that are extremely difficult to address.
>" We don't have the ability to block HTM5 animation."
Exactly. And I have been warning about this for years, since the concept came up. I knew EXACTLY how it would be used- Ads, banners, stupid crap all over sites. Besides being extremely annoying, it destroys thin clients. It makes slower machines CRAWL. It sucks the battery out of mobile devices.
We used to be able to have relief by just blocking Flash and using adblock. Those days are over. It has spread beyond just ads and now client-side animations are everywhere. Browsers like Firefox need to somehow have some type of way to block (or SLOW) ALL types of animations. It won't be easy to do this without breaking sites. Could possibly be done with something that loads such objects on demand (hiding them/overlaying them) or by detecting tight loops to trigger blocks or slowdowns.
If you don't might blocking just all video/audio/media, that can be done in Firefox with about:config, stuff. But that is an all-or-nothing affair. Here are some examples for those desperate enough (pulled from my thin client configs):
>"Today we're announcing that during that same time period, the degrees of separation between a typical pair of Facebook users has continued to decrease to 3.57 degrees, down from 3.74 degrees in 2011"
What is scary is how they are able to determine that and with such precision. There are many reasons I have never used Facebook.... this just continues to reinforce that.
>"Are Facebook friends anything like real friends?"
>"Porsche Builds Photovoltaic Pylon, Offsetting Luddite Position On Self-Drive "
Luddite Position? Whose stupid-ass opinion is THAT and why it is in the title? Quite a few people have *NO* interest in self-driving cars, and that is especially true in the higher-end sports-cars markets. It wouldn't make any economic sense for Porsche to pursue a path that doesn't intersect with their goals and customer wishes.
What next? A comment about how Kawasaki has a Luddite Position on not pursing research on self-driving motorcycles??
How about Titleist having a Luddite Position on not pursing research on a self-playing robotic golf club? Or maybe Samsung not wanting to pursue a self-watching TV?
>" Would you rather Twitter shut down no account ever, apply a sort of white-listing policy, or something in the middle?"
Have never used Twitter, and probably never will, so I don't really care. But, free speech and all- nobody is forcing you to listen to anyone you don't want to.
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That is why we should have been putting effort into something 100% backwards compatible with X11... X12. All kinds of things COULD have been rolled in- compression, local cursor, broadcast, etc.
+1
We run over 150 [Linux based] thin clients using X11R7, and before than, on X11R6. And being thin, that means remoting the ENTIRE DESKTOP SESSION- window manager, clients, everything. And those client apps come from various places on various servers, sometimes even the local machine.
Now, this is a *BUSINESS* environment.... we are not trying to push video games, music, or movies through X11. That won't work well. But Firefox, LibreOffice, Clawsmail, GIMP, Pluma, Inkscape, Pidgin, PDF viewers/writers, etc, and all our AP/GL/AR/Payroll/etc work just dandy.
Exactly. I have been saying this from the start. It isn't just that Wayland can't replace what X11 does, it also will *DESTROY* our choice to use X11 just as soon as some of the major apps are ported to it and X11 becomes an afterthought.
I don't care how fancy or modern Wayland is- to me it is a mistake. That effort should have gone into making X12 instead.
en.wikipedia is not usa.wikipedia, it is just English- the main language of many countries.
You are waaaaay over the top.
Not on any map I have ever seen in my life. Combining the two continents of North America and South America would be just about as ridiculous and illogical as combining Africa and Eurasia.
The concept of a continent is slightly arbitrary, but they are just large, mostly separate land masses.... so there are 6 of them (or 7 if you consider Greenland to be big enough, which few people do). I have never seen ANY reference to Central America being a continent... it is not large and certainly not separate, disconnected, or a distinct physical area. North and South America are, independently, very large, and highly disconnected.
Europe is not a continent, neither is Asia. It is one land mass with no disconnect or border at all, and trying to pretend they are separate continents is purely a political/fantasy. The name for it is Eurasia. India is not a continent- but you could consider it a sub-continent because it is on a different techtonic plate. North America and South America are on different plates. Interestingly, although Central America is NOT a continent, it *is* on a separate plate (just like the Arabian area of the Eurasian Continent is on a separate plate).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
Yes, it is creepy, and nerdy/dorky, and stupid. It is called "free advertising" for Google and I don't like it either. It is especially annoying on my Android Wear watch, because it is cumbersome to activate a voice prompt without saying it.
>"The app, [...] Hands Free works by tracking your location using Wi-Fi and other sensors in your smartphone to detect whether you're near a participating store. After you say "I'll pay with Google," the cashier confirms your identity by using your initials and the photo you've loaded onto the Hands Free app. "
No thanks. Have a wallet since I have to carry certain ID's, and will carry cash. My wallet contains at least one credit card. One swipe (or insert) and done. No batteries. No unlocking. No codes. No apps. No need for signal. No extra layers of tracking. No free vocal Google advertising. No compatibility issues.
I am all for choices- and if people want phone-pay, great... just don't try to take away my simple card or cash!!
Quite the rant. A little bit of it is actually accurate. But doesn't change the fact that the continent is not called "America" and that citizens of the USA are called "Americans".
America redirects to "United States". Feel free to read the article, too, if you like: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
Here is "North America": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... And as a bonus, "South America": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
And also from the Wikipedia intro: "A continent is one of several very large landmasses on Earth. [...]These are (from largest in size to smallest): Asia, Africa, North America, South America, Antarctica, Europe, and Australia"
No, there is no continent named "America." Perhaps you are thinking of one of the TWO continents that happen to contain the WORD "America", they are:
North America
South America
"America", alone, is the standard and accepted common name of the USA.... which is why its citizens are called "Americans".
>"This is what AdBlock is for, to get rid of these crappy fear-ware ads. I honestly don't mind seeing ads that don't get in my face."
And that is fine for you, but for me, "in my face" means something very different. I actually agree 100% with Adblock's definition of acceptable ads... and the ones Slashdot run don't adhere to it. The biggest for me are:
No animation or motion, ever
No mouse-overs
No video or audio unless specifically clicked on
No pop-ups/unders,or timebombs
And I would guess that about 98% of the ads on the web fail with just those three. Unfortunately,it seems like 33% or more of websites' CONTENT now fails too. :( I went on CNN the other day and couldn't believe the horrible experience I had- what an incredibly crappy site now.
>"RACIST bullshit nomination. Of course Obama picks a person of African American descent. He sees ONLY race. Scum."
Of course your post is a troll (and already modded down), but I find it amusing that you would post such a thing. So if Bush appointed a European American, would that be seeing only race?
Hopefully he picked the best candidate for the job... someone who has the best experience and fit. If that happens to be someone black or a woman or both, that is perfectly fine. If she was picked BECAUSE she was black or a woman (or both), then that would be bad.
I wouldn't want to jump to any conclusions without having done a lot of research... something I am sure most people commenting on Slashdot have not done.
Are you kidding me??? $100... a "big bill". What planet are they living on? You can't even buy a decent amount of groceries for $100. The $100 bill is probably worth HALF of what it was when they discontinued the $500 bill in 1969.
Please keep your hands off my cash. It is one of the last remaining ways to keep corporations and government from totally controlling us.
>"found that drinking two additional cups of coffee a day was linked to a 44% lower risk of developing liver cirrhosis."
Correlation is not causality. And yet people fall for this type of stuff all the time. Wake me up when they produce an actual, double-blind and verified study.
There was no virus, it was a security flaw in Wordpress.
>"You don't need to actively monitor. Just the knowledge that the monitoring exists will (hopefully) affect the risk/reward calculations just enough to keep the stupidity to a dull roar."
And what you end up with are people growing up with no real morals. They do the "right" thing only BECAUSE they think they are being watched. So what do they do when they think they are not being watched (and really not being watched)? It also brings up another generation believing that this new, even more invasive level of monitoring of their lives is "normal" and "acceptable." And the later backlash and revolt might be even stronger than ever seen.
Plus, if you watch someone all the time, you will ALWAYS find something they did "wrong". It is an extremely slippery slope and dangerous path our so-called "free" society is taking with all this never-ending monitoring, spying, and recording of people and what they do.
Hate to admit it but, yep... I carry an alpha pager with me as well as a phone. Why? Because pagers have a much better coverage area, and are generally more reliable. It is used not only for emergency alerts (system down, etc) but also inside the huge building by people to alert to call them (they don't supply cell phones, nor do I want a "work" cell phone, nor do I want my users having MY phone number).
I hope to rid myself of it one day... cell coverage has improved so much over the years. If I could find a way to SIMULATE a pager with a separate phone number, I might could try right now....
>Doesn't matter. That's still denialism. It still does not work. The end user will throw the software in trash. There must be compatibility even for badly-designed documents, because in real life we have those as well.
Yes it does matter, because the point is that a very badly formatted document or one that uses non-standard fonts is just as likely to not look the same from various people USING MS-OFFICE as is does when viewed by various people using LibreOffice.
>"It depends on the document. I still regularly encounter Word docs and Powerpoint presentations that don't render properly in LibreOffice; it'll be interesting to see how 5.1 improves that though."
Most of the time, although not all of the time, it is due to either a very poorly formatted document, or using non-standard fonts, or both. At this point, it seems almost as likely that different versions of MS-Office with different OS's and different font sets have about the same success/failure rate as sharing those proprietary formats with LibreOffice (of course, your results may vary).
It is rare I have any cross-software issues with typical documents, although it does happen sometimes, and I use nothing but LibreOffice and get all kinds of proprietary MS-Office documents every day.
What is interesting is that I sometimes will send ODF files back at them now, and rarely get complaints anymore. Not sure if this means MS-Office can generally/finally read ODF files. (I used to send only PDF or if I knew they had to edit it, I would send an MS-Office format back to them, exported from LibreOffice, IN ADDITION to the ODF file).
Wake me up in several or more years when something is actually available, works, and is really backwards compatible. Meanwhile, those of us who depend on thin clients really do have a problem with throwing away X11.
>easy man, easy! did you take your meds?
I am a bit passionate about these issues, because they greatly negatively affect our platform/infrastructure in ways that are extremely difficult to address.
>" We don't have the ability to block HTM5 animation."
Exactly. And I have been warning about this for years, since the concept came up. I knew EXACTLY how it would be used- Ads, banners, stupid crap all over sites. Besides being extremely annoying, it destroys thin clients. It makes slower machines CRAWL. It sucks the battery out of mobile devices.
We used to be able to have relief by just blocking Flash and using adblock. Those days are over. It has spread beyond just ads and now client-side animations are everywhere. Browsers like Firefox need to somehow have some type of way to block (or SLOW) ALL types of animations. It won't be easy to do this without breaking sites. Could possibly be done with something that loads such objects on demand (hiding them/overlaying them) or by detecting tight loops to trigger blocks or slowdowns.
If you don't might blocking just all video/audio/media, that can be done in Firefox with about:config, stuff. But that is an all-or-nothing affair. Here are some examples for those desperate enough (pulled from my thin client configs):
user_pref("webgl.disabled", true);
user_pref("webgl.disable-extensions", true);
user_pref("image.animation_mode", "once");
user_pref("browser.blink_allowed", false);
user_pref("browser.preferences.animateFadeIn", false);
user_pref("browser.tabs.animate", false);
user_pref("toolkit.scrollbox.smoothScroll", false);
user_pref("browser.panorama.animate_zoom", false);
user_pref("browser.fullscreen.animateUp", 0);
user_pref("browser.tabs.maxOpenBeforeWarn", 8);
user_pref("dom.max_script_run_time", 10);
user_pref("layout.css.prefixes.animations", false);
user_pref("browser.download.animateNotifications", true);
user_pref("media.navigator.enabled", false);
user_pref("media.webm.enabled", false);
user_pref("media.encoder.webm.enabled", false);
user_pref("media.autoplay.enabled", false);
user_pref("media.ogg.enabled", false);
user_pref("media.wav.enabled", false);
user_pref("media.wave.enabled", false);
user_pref("media.opus.enabled", false);
user_pref("media.audio_data.enabled", false);
user_pref("media.raw.enabled", false);
user_pref("media.webaudio.enabled", false);
user_pref("media.webspeech.recognition.enable", false);
user_pref("media.webvtt.enable", false);
user_pref("media.peerconnection.enabled", false);
user_pref("media.fragmented-mp4.ffmpeg.enabled", false);
user_pref("media.getusermedia.aec_enabled", false);
user_pref("media.getusermedia.noise_enabled", false);
user_pref("media.gstreamer.enabled", false);
user_pref("media.mediasource.enabled", false);
user_pref("media.video_stats.enabled", false);
user_pref("media.navigator.video.enabled", false);
user_pref("media.fragmented-mp4.enabled", false);
user_pref("media.gmp-gmpopenh264.autoupdate", false);
user_pref("media.gmp-gmpopenh264.enabled", false);
user_pref("media.webvtt.enabled", false);
>"Today we're announcing that during that same time period, the degrees of separation between a typical pair of Facebook users has continued to decrease to 3.57 degrees, down from 3.74 degrees in 2011"
What is scary is how they are able to determine that and with such precision. There are many reasons I have never used Facebook.... this just continues to reinforce that.
>"Are Facebook friends anything like real friends?"
Um, no.
>"Porsche Builds Photovoltaic Pylon, Offsetting Luddite Position On Self-Drive "
Luddite Position? Whose stupid-ass opinion is THAT and why it is in the title? Quite a few people have *NO* interest in self-driving cars, and that is especially true in the higher-end sports-cars markets. It wouldn't make any economic sense for Porsche to pursue a path that doesn't intersect with their goals and customer wishes.
What next? A comment about how Kawasaki has a Luddite Position on not pursing research on self-driving motorcycles??
How about Titleist having a Luddite Position on not pursing research on a self-playing robotic golf club? Or maybe Samsung not wanting to pursue a self-watching TV?
>" Would you rather Twitter shut down no account ever, apply a sort of white-listing policy, or something in the middle?"
Have never used Twitter, and probably never will, so I don't really care. But, free speech and all- nobody is forcing you to listen to anyone you don't want to.