Yes, please stop innovating and coming up with new ideas. We hate new technology and exploring new ways to be entertained. Seriously, how is this being modded up on Slashdot? You are not forced to buy anything new. Unless you have some sort of technology pissing contest with your neighbor, isn't it a good thing to try and create new technologies. You have some sort of weird idea that working on 3dtv is going to prevent them from improving HDTV. Well, it won't, so quit complaining. This is turning in to "New for Ner...hey, get off my lawn!"
You have a pretty loose definition of what a genocide is. In any case, the only reason Hamas isn't driving Israel off of its land is that it is too weak. They talk big...always that they are going to kill every Jew and be victorious, "God willing". But they are too weak. They yearn for power but are far too immature to weld it. What power they do have they shoot off randomly in to Israel. How does this help the situation at all. I'm sorry, Israel has done many wrong and awful things, but you can't ignore the fact that Hamas is specifically targeting civilians. They don't even care about their own civilians and use them as tools to hide behind. And if the hiding fails and they get hit and their are civilian casualties, they cry to the world the injustice. Well, put on a uniform and fight then. Don't try to kill any Jew you can and then complain that your civilians got hurt. The whole thing just disgusts me. Both sides are committing wrongs and the sad thing is I don't see any sort of peace in that region in my lifetime.
You guys give yourselves way too much credit. Basic mechanics after 2 years? Give me a break. The game isn't all that deep. You read the forums to learn how to fit your ship, you run boring PvE mission to get more ISK to get bigger ships and run higher level boring PvE missions. PvP is mostly shooting up people who make a wrong turn or running around in vastly superior numbers. Expansions offer very very little new content. They might change that people can't abuse nano's anymore, but that is hardly what I would call interesting. You just go back to the forums and find out what the next over-powered fitting for your ship is.
Then maybe you should get Eve players to not put down people who don't like their game. If someone doesn't like it, they are too dumb or have ADD. There are plenty of reason to bad mouth the game. One part of it is the Eve community. If someone doesn't like something, they are encouraged to quit on the forums and people ask for their stuff.
I may find the game boring (it really is has nothing to offer to people who PvE), the user-interface to be poorly designed, the combat to be simplistic and a snore fest...but that's fine. It isn't a personal attack, I just don't like your game. But because I don't like it...I must lack the intelligence to play it? That's why people hate Eve. You come off as a reasonable person, but most Eve players just emit way too much smug.
I really don't get this. Eve isn't any more complex than WoW. It just has an extremely poor user interface that takes a long tutorial to explain. Yeah, there is more potential loss. But when it comes down to it, you hit F1, F2, F3, F4, F5, F6. Combat is extremely simplistic. PvE barely exists.
People like to think Eve takes a degree to understand and they pat themselves on the back for being able to play it. It just takes a little more reading and is a lot less fun than other MMOs. I have gone back to it many times over the years and always come up with the same conclusion: it is a game I want to like, it is a game of extreme potential, but it always falls way short of the mark because it fails to deliver something that is enjoyable. I mean, you are in a space ship with all kinds of advanced weaponry...shouldn't that be fun? That and the game is forever tainted by CCP devs cheating. Single shard means that it will always be tainted by that and certain players/corps will always have the advantage over others.
Eve servers can barely handle the amount of players it has right now. I didn't find the average Eve player to be any more mature or intelligent. They tend to be the jerks and griefer types...and the less there are of those in other games...the better off we all are. So maybe Eve is doing all of us a favor by keeping people like you busy.
Uh no...you don't get it at all. The issue is that something bad has happened and you want to get out of the function, but need to do some cleanup first. You know things are fubar, so you don't want to do any more operations so you don't screw things up worse. You could check if needs_cleanup is true in all your conditional statements after where needs_cleanup could first be set. But that is less clear and more prone to bugs than using goto appropriately.
It is nice to try to simplify everything like that, but that isn't realistic. The Wii has the new dynamic of a totally different control scheme than consoles of the past. People don't know how to use it well so there are more crap games. Plus, the controller lends itself to smaller, mini-game type games. A lot of these are just horribly done on every level. The PS2 has a lot of bad games. But the proportion of good to awful isn't as bad as the Wii's.
Your 4 year old doesn't buy games. I don't really see anything where you actually counter the guy. You are just a Nintendo fanboy that can't hear that everyone doesn't love your console. People with a 360 buy more games. Also, the Wii comes with a game which is generally counted in these surveys which artificially inflate the Wii's numbers. Fact is, everyone I know who has a Wii (with the exception one who has small children) don't touch their Wii anymore. I don't know everyone, but I think it is fairly telling about the games that are on the Wii. Everyone got one for the novelty of it and it being a sort of a status symbol. "Oh, you have a Wii? Cool, can I try?" But once the party is over, it doesn't really offer games that appeal to people to play them on their own. So they boot up their 360 and PS3. The funny thing is the guy is arguing for deeper games...which would help Nintendo do better. You are saying that Nintendo is fine and should do nothing. Why are you arguing against better games for the Wii? How is that helping?
Umm. So everyone commits crimes. Just because it is illegal, doesn't mean that it really deserves to be. The problem is that law fails to take in context. No one is going to have a problem if I go 2 miles over the speed limit. I am breaking the law, though. There is really no problem with a 21 year old having consensual sex with a 17 year old, either. That age limit is arbitrary and set up by the state. The real problem is that the law was used as a tool to ruin this guys life (or at least in that community). No one has a problem until the relationship ended poorly. I feel bad for the guy if this is how it went down. If he waited a few days until she was 18, he is a good, moral citizen. But 17?? Oh no! Criminal rapist. Give me a break.
I've gone back and tried Eve a few times and always come away feeling like it was a waste. The core mechanics of the game is not fun. It is basically excel in space. I find the people to be jerks...they think because their game has a crappy UI that makes the game more difficult to play that they are somehow superior. Just a little note for you, the people who call each other carebears are probably teenage morons...so I don't know how that improves anything. Eve has the most boring PvE. PvP is basically who has superior numbers and camping for hours at gates to blow up some poor guy trying to fly somewhere. The community consists of people who ask for your stuff if you say anything is wrong with the game. So yeah, it is fun for a minority of people. Not saying anyone shouldn't give it a shot...just that it always seemed to be to have so much potential but always under-delivered. And the community tend to be full of griefers and people with superiority complexes.
You obviously have no idea what you are talking about. It is infinitely easier to program and test on one platform (i.e. a console) than it is to test for every possible PC configuration out there. It doesn't matter how good you are or how hard you try, there are always going to be combinations out there that you wouldn't even think of testing on that cause these issues. The only way to deal with this is with patching after the fact. So you have to give PC games a bit of slack.
You have to be realistic in this. It has nothing to do with a "culture of quality". It has to do with completely different problem spaces. Console games should be near flawless since you have the hardware. Unfortunately, a lot of people are like you and don't understand the problem. That hurts PC games image and there isn't much they can do about it. But it really is a much harder problem and someone posting to Slashdot should know better.
The issue with Eve is that it wouldn't surprise anyone that devs knew about this exploit and used it themselves. That's the problem when you have a history of dev cheating and not firing the people responsible. This is also the problem with having a single shard. The whole game is effected by this. And the people who don't use exploits suffer from not being able to compete on a level playing field. Hopefully CCP does the right thing this time and bans people who used this exploit.
I grouped up for that quests. We were yelling about how Mr. Floppy must survive, etc. It was pretty amusing...in a dorky sort of way. My girl friend didn't find it quite as amusing as I did.
I don't know anyone who plays these type of games who live in their mom's basement. All are professionals working for a company and doing quite well for themselves. Everyone escapes reality through reading books, watching tv, watching movies, etc. This is no different. Doing drugs is different since it can alter your actions to make you do stupid things and is illegal.
Your biases are kind of sad. They remind me of older people and their racism towards voting for someone who is black. The future of entertainment is gaming. And we all know the difference between gaming and reality. If you can't see it, that's your issue.
Uhh, what games are you playing? I get tons of hours from any PC game I buy. Civ IV, Oblivion, TF2, Fallout, Bioshock. Maybe read a review before you buy the game.
If num_games_sold * 50 = X and num_games_sold * 60 = Y and if num_games_sold does not drop so that X > Y, then they make more profit. If they drop their price 10 bucks, and about the same people buy new and buy used, then they lose more. What they are saying is about the same number of people are going to buy new at any (reasonable) price point. Even at a lower price people can still buy cheaper at a used store.
Honestly, the only way for them to win is for the game companies to come together and create their own used game store to compete with other used game stores. So you would sell FFX back to SquareEnix and they would re-sell it online or at the SquareEnix store.
Um, GameStop and other used stores are not competitors to the gaming companies. GameStop doesn't make games. What they are saying is that since people buy games used, they are not seeing any of that money. If everyone bought games new, then the prices for games would be lower since they would be able to make up their investment cost + profit. You might not agree that the used game market is an issue, but it is obvious that would drive prices up, not down.
I don't know if money is tight for you, but WoW to me is easily worth it for the entertainment I get from it. And I don't know if you are the same AC from before...but I play in two soccer leagues and get to the gym as well. You can still balance your life and play the game. Most people just sit around and watch TV after work. But for some reason, people sitting around and playing a game with friends is judged as wasting time. Even though they are more engaged and being more social than their TV watching counterparts. But if you say "I watched college football all weekend" no one really cares. If you say "I played WoW all weekend", that means something different. It is a double standard that I think will eventually go away as the older population dies off and the younger population takes over. Gaming is the entertainment venue of the future.
You just are arguing for the sake of arguing. You never really experienced it, so you are just continuing to talk out your ass. You also appear to have never read anything on leadership or project management. You aren't paying these people. If you are just a dick, they leave and find somewhere that has a competent guild leader that can get people to work together. You are just so dead set on saying these people have no skills. You are wrong. Go find a game that you actually like and try organizing large groups of people. Hell, I have organized soccer leagues and that has taken less skill than it does to run a WoW raid. You just aren't going to listen...and I am not really communicating this in a way that would make you listen. But I really don't feel like pretending to be nice to someone who is being an ass.
Actually, I have never ever talked about that in game or on Slashdot. For a brief period of time, I co-led a raiding guild. I don't put it my resume. I just respect the people who can run those guilds because it really does take a lot of the skills you mention. You seem more defensive than me about it. I am not posting in articles about a game I don't like. It seems like you have the problem.
So the only reason this game is popular because the entry point is low...right. Blizzard has never really innovated. They took popular game genres and made them better and more fun. What's the crime in that? Does every game have to innovate to be good? You people who cry about innovation are just trying to find something complain about. A lot of people find it fun. You don't. Great, don't read the articles and just shut up. You should be surprised that people who like the game don't care that you don't.
Good, you played the game (obviously not very far, but oh well). You are just a judgmental prick who stereotypes people who play it. WoW is played by all sorts of people. It is 100% fine that you tried it and don't like it. But telling other people how they are because they enjoy the game? Like other people have said, just "STFU". Why aren't you socializing with your awesome social skills instead of posting comments about a game you hate? On the other hand, I think you are the perfect personality type to play Eve.
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Isn't "no parenting" a form of bad parenting?
But if everyone had guns, and shot them every day...then guns would probably be more dangerous than cars. Your logic is pretty stupid.
Yes, please stop innovating and coming up with new ideas. We hate new technology and exploring new ways to be entertained. Seriously, how is this being modded up on Slashdot? You are not forced to buy anything new. Unless you have some sort of technology pissing contest with your neighbor, isn't it a good thing to try and create new technologies. You have some sort of weird idea that working on 3dtv is going to prevent them from improving HDTV. Well, it won't, so quit complaining. This is turning in to "New for Ner...hey, get off my lawn!"
You have a pretty loose definition of what a genocide is. In any case, the only reason Hamas isn't driving Israel off of its land is that it is too weak. They talk big...always that they are going to kill every Jew and be victorious, "God willing". But they are too weak. They yearn for power but are far too immature to weld it. What power they do have they shoot off randomly in to Israel. How does this help the situation at all. I'm sorry, Israel has done many wrong and awful things, but you can't ignore the fact that Hamas is specifically targeting civilians. They don't even care about their own civilians and use them as tools to hide behind. And if the hiding fails and they get hit and their are civilian casualties, they cry to the world the injustice. Well, put on a uniform and fight then. Don't try to kill any Jew you can and then complain that your civilians got hurt. The whole thing just disgusts me. Both sides are committing wrongs and the sad thing is I don't see any sort of peace in that region in my lifetime.
You guys give yourselves way too much credit. Basic mechanics after 2 years? Give me a break. The game isn't all that deep. You read the forums to learn how to fit your ship, you run boring PvE mission to get more ISK to get bigger ships and run higher level boring PvE missions. PvP is mostly shooting up people who make a wrong turn or running around in vastly superior numbers. Expansions offer very very little new content. They might change that people can't abuse nano's anymore, but that is hardly what I would call interesting. You just go back to the forums and find out what the next over-powered fitting for your ship is.
Then maybe you should get Eve players to not put down people who don't like their game. If someone doesn't like it, they are too dumb or have ADD. There are plenty of reason to bad mouth the game. One part of it is the Eve community. If someone doesn't like something, they are encouraged to quit on the forums and people ask for their stuff.
I may find the game boring (it really is has nothing to offer to people who PvE), the user-interface to be poorly designed, the combat to be simplistic and a snore fest...but that's fine. It isn't a personal attack, I just don't like your game. But because I don't like it...I must lack the intelligence to play it? That's why people hate Eve. You come off as a reasonable person, but most Eve players just emit way too much smug.
I really don't get this. Eve isn't any more complex than WoW. It just has an extremely poor user interface that takes a long tutorial to explain. Yeah, there is more potential loss. But when it comes down to it, you hit F1, F2, F3, F4, F5, F6. Combat is extremely simplistic. PvE barely exists.
People like to think Eve takes a degree to understand and they pat themselves on the back for being able to play it. It just takes a little more reading and is a lot less fun than other MMOs. I have gone back to it many times over the years and always come up with the same conclusion: it is a game I want to like, it is a game of extreme potential, but it always falls way short of the mark because it fails to deliver something that is enjoyable. I mean, you are in a space ship with all kinds of advanced weaponry...shouldn't that be fun? That and the game is forever tainted by CCP devs cheating. Single shard means that it will always be tainted by that and certain players/corps will always have the advantage over others.
Eve servers can barely handle the amount of players it has right now. I didn't find the average Eve player to be any more mature or intelligent. They tend to be the jerks and griefer types...and the less there are of those in other games...the better off we all are. So maybe Eve is doing all of us a favor by keeping people like you busy.
Uh no...you don't get it at all. The issue is that something bad has happened and you want to get out of the function, but need to do some cleanup first. You know things are fubar, so you don't want to do any more operations so you don't screw things up worse. You could check if needs_cleanup is true in all your conditional statements after where needs_cleanup could first be set. But that is less clear and more prone to bugs than using goto appropriately.
It is nice to try to simplify everything like that, but that isn't realistic. The Wii has the new dynamic of a totally different control scheme than consoles of the past. People don't know how to use it well so there are more crap games. Plus, the controller lends itself to smaller, mini-game type games. A lot of these are just horribly done on every level. The PS2 has a lot of bad games. But the proportion of good to awful isn't as bad as the Wii's.
Your 4 year old doesn't buy games. I don't really see anything where you actually counter the guy. You are just a Nintendo fanboy that can't hear that everyone doesn't love your console. People with a 360 buy more games. Also, the Wii comes with a game which is generally counted in these surveys which artificially inflate the Wii's numbers. Fact is, everyone I know who has a Wii (with the exception one who has small children) don't touch their Wii anymore. I don't know everyone, but I think it is fairly telling about the games that are on the Wii. Everyone got one for the novelty of it and it being a sort of a status symbol. "Oh, you have a Wii? Cool, can I try?" But once the party is over, it doesn't really offer games that appeal to people to play them on their own. So they boot up their 360 and PS3. The funny thing is the guy is arguing for deeper games...which would help Nintendo do better. You are saying that Nintendo is fine and should do nothing. Why are you arguing against better games for the Wii? How is that helping?
I don't think that the 21 year old guy did anything wrong but the law is used as a tool of revenge.
Umm. So everyone commits crimes. Just because it is illegal, doesn't mean that it really deserves to be. The problem is that law fails to take in context. No one is going to have a problem if I go 2 miles over the speed limit. I am breaking the law, though. There is really no problem with a 21 year old having consensual sex with a 17 year old, either. That age limit is arbitrary and set up by the state. The real problem is that the law was used as a tool to ruin this guys life (or at least in that community). No one has a problem until the relationship ended poorly. I feel bad for the guy if this is how it went down. If he waited a few days until she was 18, he is a good, moral citizen. But 17?? Oh no! Criminal rapist. Give me a break.
I suggest the mods on this site watch Fight Club. +1 Funny.
I've gone back and tried Eve a few times and always come away feeling like it was a waste. The core mechanics of the game is not fun. It is basically excel in space. I find the people to be jerks...they think because their game has a crappy UI that makes the game more difficult to play that they are somehow superior. Just a little note for you, the people who call each other carebears are probably teenage morons...so I don't know how that improves anything. Eve has the most boring PvE. PvP is basically who has superior numbers and camping for hours at gates to blow up some poor guy trying to fly somewhere. The community consists of people who ask for your stuff if you say anything is wrong with the game. So yeah, it is fun for a minority of people. Not saying anyone shouldn't give it a shot...just that it always seemed to be to have so much potential but always under-delivered. And the community tend to be full of griefers and people with superiority complexes.
You obviously have no idea what you are talking about. It is infinitely easier to program and test on one platform (i.e. a console) than it is to test for every possible PC configuration out there. It doesn't matter how good you are or how hard you try, there are always going to be combinations out there that you wouldn't even think of testing on that cause these issues. The only way to deal with this is with patching after the fact. So you have to give PC games a bit of slack.
You have to be realistic in this. It has nothing to do with a "culture of quality". It has to do with completely different problem spaces. Console games should be near flawless since you have the hardware. Unfortunately, a lot of people are like you and don't understand the problem. That hurts PC games image and there isn't much they can do about it. But it really is a much harder problem and someone posting to Slashdot should know better.
The issue with Eve is that it wouldn't surprise anyone that devs knew about this exploit and used it themselves. That's the problem when you have a history of dev cheating and not firing the people responsible. This is also the problem with having a single shard. The whole game is effected by this. And the people who don't use exploits suffer from not being able to compete on a level playing field. Hopefully CCP does the right thing this time and bans people who used this exploit.
I grouped up for that quests. We were yelling about how Mr. Floppy must survive, etc. It was pretty amusing...in a dorky sort of way. My girl friend didn't find it quite as amusing as I did.
I don't know anyone who plays these type of games who live in their mom's basement. All are professionals working for a company and doing quite well for themselves. Everyone escapes reality through reading books, watching tv, watching movies, etc. This is no different. Doing drugs is different since it can alter your actions to make you do stupid things and is illegal.
Your biases are kind of sad. They remind me of older people and their racism towards voting for someone who is black. The future of entertainment is gaming. And we all know the difference between gaming and reality. If you can't see it, that's your issue.
Uhh, what games are you playing? I get tons of hours from any PC game I buy. Civ IV, Oblivion, TF2, Fallout, Bioshock. Maybe read a review before you buy the game.
If num_games_sold * 50 = X and num_games_sold * 60 = Y and if num_games_sold does not drop so that X > Y, then they make more profit. If they drop their price 10 bucks, and about the same people buy new and buy used, then they lose more. What they are saying is about the same number of people are going to buy new at any (reasonable) price point. Even at a lower price people can still buy cheaper at a used store.
Honestly, the only way for them to win is for the game companies to come together and create their own used game store to compete with other used game stores. So you would sell FFX back to SquareEnix and they would re-sell it online or at the SquareEnix store.
Um, GameStop and other used stores are not competitors to the gaming companies. GameStop doesn't make games. What they are saying is that since people buy games used, they are not seeing any of that money. If everyone bought games new, then the prices for games would be lower since they would be able to make up their investment cost + profit. You might not agree that the used game market is an issue, but it is obvious that would drive prices up, not down.
I don't know if money is tight for you, but WoW to me is easily worth it for the entertainment I get from it. And I don't know if you are the same AC from before...but I play in two soccer leagues and get to the gym as well. You can still balance your life and play the game. Most people just sit around and watch TV after work. But for some reason, people sitting around and playing a game with friends is judged as wasting time. Even though they are more engaged and being more social than their TV watching counterparts. But if you say "I watched college football all weekend" no one really cares. If you say "I played WoW all weekend", that means something different. It is a double standard that I think will eventually go away as the older population dies off and the younger population takes over. Gaming is the entertainment venue of the future.
You just are arguing for the sake of arguing. You never really experienced it, so you are just continuing to talk out your ass. You also appear to have never read anything on leadership or project management. You aren't paying these people. If you are just a dick, they leave and find somewhere that has a competent guild leader that can get people to work together. You are just so dead set on saying these people have no skills. You are wrong. Go find a game that you actually like and try organizing large groups of people. Hell, I have organized soccer leagues and that has taken less skill than it does to run a WoW raid. You just aren't going to listen...and I am not really communicating this in a way that would make you listen. But I really don't feel like pretending to be nice to someone who is being an ass.
Actually, I have never ever talked about that in game or on Slashdot. For a brief period of time, I co-led a raiding guild. I don't put it my resume. I just respect the people who can run those guilds because it really does take a lot of the skills you mention. You seem more defensive than me about it. I am not posting in articles about a game I don't like. It seems like you have the problem.
So the only reason this game is popular because the entry point is low...right. Blizzard has never really innovated. They took popular game genres and made them better and more fun. What's the crime in that? Does every game have to innovate to be good? You people who cry about innovation are just trying to find something complain about. A lot of people find it fun. You don't. Great, don't read the articles and just shut up. You should be surprised that people who like the game don't care that you don't.
Good, you played the game (obviously not very far, but oh well). You are just a judgmental prick who stereotypes people who play it. WoW is played by all sorts of people. It is 100% fine that you tried it and don't like it. But telling other people how they are because they enjoy the game? Like other people have said, just "STFU". Why aren't you socializing with your awesome social skills instead of posting comments about a game you hate? On the other hand, I think you are the perfect personality type to play Eve.