So, you quit the game right before they released new high end content because you were tired of doing the same high end content;) I quit the game cold turkey as well, just because it was taking up too much time. Your gripes are a little bit out of date as the end game content became a bit more flexible. There are always going to be people who race to the top. If you actually take the time and enjoy the content rather than trying to get there as fast as you can, it is actually quite enjoyable and they tend to release content faster than most people can handle. Sure, there are some people who play the game non-stop and get there fast. That isn't the majority of the users though.
Yes, you are sooo right. I mean, look at all the people still playing Ultima Online since it is so superior. I don't understand people like you. You obviously enjoyed the game to begin with...but as time goes on, it is NORMAL for people to want to try a different game and get tired or bored with the one they are playing. There is no game that exists or that will ever be made that will ever keep you content forever. They have done things that you disagree with...but you can't come up with anything better. You are just another nobody that likes to complain about something popular. If they did what you said, fixed anything that got complained about, then they would fix what you are whining about, right? See, you don't even make sense. Blizzard is by far the best company in the world at doing class balancing. The only way to perfectly balance arena PvP is have only one class. It makes sense that some classes are more optimal than others. It makes sense that gear should make a difference otherwise what would be the freaking point in collecting it?
The stuff you suggest appeals to a small subset of people...mainly jerks and exploiters. I think you might enjoy Eve Online.
That doesn't explain how WoW got to that point though. And compared to the other MMORPGs at the time, it certainly was the most fun. I haven't played the newer ones, so I am not sure if they are better...but pretty much everyone is chasing after WoW now so I figure they will be similar.
On the other hand, it brings people like me back to the game. I will get the expansion, subscribe again, get to the max level, and then probably quit when end game gets too demanding.
You are a moron and I don't like you. The video game industry has every right to lobby just as any other group. Video games are no different than movies, television, or any other type of entertainment. Some games are meant for kids, some games are meant for adults. If you or the people you represent are incapable of parenting, please refrain from having children. I am sick and tired of people like you telling me that there is something wrong with my hobby. The real problem is you forcing your morales on other people. It isn't ok when religious extremists do it in the Middle East, it isn't ok when you do it in our country. This is a nation formed of many different races and religions. It is also formed of adults and children. Children, that I don't have, should not prevent me from enjoying a game intended for my age group. I'm only 30, but keep your kids off my lawn too.
I disagree. In an MMORPG if you were to start over again and play, wouldn't you be better? You are gaining skills on how to play the game as you are leveling. When you participate in PvP, you would play better than someone just starting. And part of the game itself is leveling...so if you figure out how to get experience faster, you are improving at playing the game. As long as you are enjoying the game mechanic, it doesn't matter if you are playing the same guitar hero song over and over again until you beat it or going out doing PvP over and over again until you get the gear you wanted. They are both grinds, but as long as you are enjoying it, I don't see the problem. If you don't enjoy it, then why the heck are you playing the game?
I was wondering why Spore was so delayed. I can now blame it on Mac porting. Now all they need is a smug commercial with the Mac guy showing off his abilities to delay games on Windows! (I am just joking, don't hurt me)
Sometimes the quotes at the bottom of the page are so amazingly appropriate: "If only one could get that wonderful feeling of accomplishment without having to accomplish anything."
I totally agree with this. So many games passed me by when I played WoW because I felt like I had to make it worth the time I was spending on it. When I quit WoW, it was a lot of fun to play all the games I had missed out on. Heck, I am still trying to catch up. Of course, now I am addicted to Disgaea so I am doomed.
Eh, this is the same tired point that is pulled out every time there is an article about MMORPGs. "Oh, it's the grind that drives people to cheat...if their were only good designers in the world that could make MMORPGs without grinds." The thing is, the best designers in the world are working on these games. People, in fact, play these games because of the grind. They put effort in to something and then they get a reward. This is the same in real life, except the results take much longer before they occur (or may not occur at all). Take any other game and you see it follows the same model in a different form. Geometry Wars you grind until you beat your next high score. Guitar Hero you grind on a song until you can get 5 stars. Etc. etc.
If you play any game long enough, you are going to get tired of it and want to play another game. That is just being normal.
As far as cheating goes, some will do it for the challenge. Most of the others will just do it because they want to be better than their friends. It is a competition. It's a dumb place to want to be recognized...but people do it. If people hated the game, they just wouldn't play it anymore. They love the game, they just want an edge over others and will do whatever they can to get there faster. The grind is in everything...just it is just popular to bash it in here since people on here like to bash what other people enjoy instead of actually coming up with anything better.
The great games that existed for you still exist for everyone else. I feel sorry for people who can't take off their rose colored glasses and see that gaming is better now than it ever was in history. Why? Because every game made in the past is still available now plus there are more great games coming out every year. Besides, sometimes it is nice to have an actual ending to a game rather than only trying to beat a high score.
I think it just goes to show how way too far right the country has swung right now. They said in any other Western style democracy, Clinton would be seen as a moderate conservative. Scary. My dot was about where Ghandi's was.
So, we know, or at least should, that to decrease our weight and increase our fitness we need to change the way we eat and exercise more. The more calories we burn in exercise, the more high calorie foods we can eat. But, if we didn't want to work out, we could very easily (if you have will power when it comes to food) maintain our weight by just eating the proper amount and avoiding fast food like McDonalds. So what I am saying is, I can play video games all I want and not become obese as long as I alter what I eat. I won't win any body building contests, but I can stay thin. On the other hand, if I eat only McDonalds food, I will become obese. You don't need large quantities of that stuff to get fat.
The problem is fast food is quick to get and very cheap. It is interesting how in the past, a more plump person was viewed as wealthy since they could afford lots of food with little physical effort. Now we are attracted to people who are thin and our poor population continues to get fatter and fatter.
Can video games be blamed for some people being fat? Possibly, but they could replace that activity with television, the Internet, knitting, playing cards, etc etc with the same result.
Ultimately, there is only really one person to blame in this: the individual. There is no mystery on how people are getting fat. Get out and exercise and stop eating crap. It angers me to see this guy point the finger at gaming though. It is just the popular punching bag of our time. The guy serves some of the least healthy food on the planet and he thinks that if there just wasn't gaming, we'd all be perfect.
I don't know...I think Americans have mastered "absurd but serious"...just it is seen more in the political realm. I mean, how else do you explain who we stuck in office for the past 2 terms?
So Starcraft is dead since you can't grief people with your hacks anymore? Plenty of people are still playing it. It boasts more players than a lot of games that came out a few years ago. How is that dead?
Oblivion, and I am speaking as a PC gamer here, was far superior to Morrowind. Yeah, things were less customizable in the sense that you couldn't do little tricks to make yourself completely invincible by using alchemy and spell casting. I think it was less about being dumbed down and more about having more control on what a player was able to do so that they couldn't get stupidly powerful. But Oblivion was just much more fun to play and much more engrossing in its quests. I couldn't play through all of Morrowind because it just got boring after awhile...while Oblivion I played all the way through and had over 100 hours of game play. I didn't have a problem with the interface...but that's a good thing about being a PC gamer. There are plenty of people out there who were like you and made mods to make oblivion more morrowindy.
And that proves anything? I wouldn't pay $5 to see Titanic. It's way too short to be a $50 game. Thankfully it is a deal when bundled with ep2 and tf2.
Guess what...we already have socialized police, fire departments, and education. How about we get rid of free, universal education? We are falling in to evil socialism! If you really want our health care dicated by insurance companies that are traded on the stock market based on how much money they make off of denying claims, then you are either ignorant, dumb, or on the payroll of one of these companies.
Eh. Not really. Smoking is just viewed negatively by the general public...since it is popular to dislike smokers, it is ok to tax it. Video games are the evil that my generation grew up with and those in power don't understand. As some counter examples to what you are stating, we all use gas and there are gas taxes. There are taxes on alcohol and the majority of Americans drink. People are still getting elected. This elected official sees a problem and tries to think of a way to pay for it and came up with this dumb thing because he buys in to the Jack Thompson mentality; games are played by kids and cause kids to go bad.
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So, you quit the game right before they released new high end content because you were tired of doing the same high end content ;) I quit the game cold turkey as well, just because it was taking up too much time. Your gripes are a little bit out of date as the end game content became a bit more flexible. There are always going to be people who race to the top. If you actually take the time and enjoy the content rather than trying to get there as fast as you can, it is actually quite enjoyable and they tend to release content faster than most people can handle. Sure, there are some people who play the game non-stop and get there fast. That isn't the majority of the users though.
Yes, you are sooo right. I mean, look at all the people still playing Ultima Online since it is so superior. I don't understand people like you. You obviously enjoyed the game to begin with...but as time goes on, it is NORMAL for people to want to try a different game and get tired or bored with the one they are playing. There is no game that exists or that will ever be made that will ever keep you content forever. They have done things that you disagree with...but you can't come up with anything better. You are just another nobody that likes to complain about something popular. If they did what you said, fixed anything that got complained about, then they would fix what you are whining about, right? See, you don't even make sense. Blizzard is by far the best company in the world at doing class balancing. The only way to perfectly balance arena PvP is have only one class. It makes sense that some classes are more optimal than others. It makes sense that gear should make a difference otherwise what would be the freaking point in collecting it?
The stuff you suggest appeals to a small subset of people...mainly jerks and exploiters. I think you might enjoy Eve Online.
Wow. Reading comprehension and you haven't met yet.
That doesn't explain how WoW got to that point though. And compared to the other MMORPGs at the time, it certainly was the most fun. I haven't played the newer ones, so I am not sure if they are better...but pretty much everyone is chasing after WoW now so I figure they will be similar.
On the other hand, it brings people like me back to the game. I will get the expansion, subscribe again, get to the max level, and then probably quit when end game gets too demanding.
You are a moron and I don't like you. The video game industry has every right to lobby just as any other group. Video games are no different than movies, television, or any other type of entertainment. Some games are meant for kids, some games are meant for adults. If you or the people you represent are incapable of parenting, please refrain from having children. I am sick and tired of people like you telling me that there is something wrong with my hobby. The real problem is you forcing your morales on other people. It isn't ok when religious extremists do it in the Middle East, it isn't ok when you do it in our country. This is a nation formed of many different races and religions. It is also formed of adults and children. Children, that I don't have, should not prevent me from enjoying a game intended for my age group. I'm only 30, but keep your kids off my lawn too.
If I were a business person, this would say to me that it is best to hold back content and sell it for more later. I wish this wasn't so successful.
Unfortunately, I hear the WIFE blows away all your real life currency as well.
Umm, you get over it like everyone else does when they have to wear contacts?
I disagree. In an MMORPG if you were to start over again and play, wouldn't you be better? You are gaining skills on how to play the game as you are leveling. When you participate in PvP, you would play better than someone just starting. And part of the game itself is leveling...so if you figure out how to get experience faster, you are improving at playing the game. As long as you are enjoying the game mechanic, it doesn't matter if you are playing the same guitar hero song over and over again until you beat it or going out doing PvP over and over again until you get the gear you wanted. They are both grinds, but as long as you are enjoying it, I don't see the problem. If you don't enjoy it, then why the heck are you playing the game?
I was wondering why Spore was so delayed. I can now blame it on Mac porting. Now all they need is a smug commercial with the Mac guy showing off his abilities to delay games on Windows! (I am just joking, don't hurt me)
Sometimes the quotes at the bottom of the page are so amazingly appropriate: "If only one could get that wonderful feeling of accomplishment without having to accomplish anything."
I totally agree with this. So many games passed me by when I played WoW because I felt like I had to make it worth the time I was spending on it. When I quit WoW, it was a lot of fun to play all the games I had missed out on. Heck, I am still trying to catch up. Of course, now I am addicted to Disgaea so I am doomed.
Eh, this is the same tired point that is pulled out every time there is an article about MMORPGs. "Oh, it's the grind that drives people to cheat...if their were only good designers in the world that could make MMORPGs without grinds." The thing is, the best designers in the world are working on these games. People, in fact, play these games because of the grind. They put effort in to something and then they get a reward. This is the same in real life, except the results take much longer before they occur (or may not occur at all). Take any other game and you see it follows the same model in a different form. Geometry Wars you grind until you beat your next high score. Guitar Hero you grind on a song until you can get 5 stars. Etc. etc.
If you play any game long enough, you are going to get tired of it and want to play another game. That is just being normal.
As far as cheating goes, some will do it for the challenge. Most of the others will just do it because they want to be better than their friends. It is a competition. It's a dumb place to want to be recognized...but people do it. If people hated the game, they just wouldn't play it anymore. They love the game, they just want an edge over others and will do whatever they can to get there faster. The grind is in everything...just it is just popular to bash it in here since people on here like to bash what other people enjoy instead of actually coming up with anything better.
The great games that existed for you still exist for everyone else. I feel sorry for people who can't take off their rose colored glasses and see that gaming is better now than it ever was in history. Why? Because every game made in the past is still available now plus there are more great games coming out every year. Besides, sometimes it is nice to have an actual ending to a game rather than only trying to beat a high score.
I think it just goes to show how way too far right the country has swung right now. They said in any other Western style democracy, Clinton would be seen as a moderate conservative. Scary. My dot was about where Ghandi's was.
So, we know, or at least should, that to decrease our weight and increase our fitness we need to change the way we eat and exercise more. The more calories we burn in exercise, the more high calorie foods we can eat. But, if we didn't want to work out, we could very easily (if you have will power when it comes to food) maintain our weight by just eating the proper amount and avoiding fast food like McDonalds. So what I am saying is, I can play video games all I want and not become obese as long as I alter what I eat. I won't win any body building contests, but I can stay thin. On the other hand, if I eat only McDonalds food, I will become obese. You don't need large quantities of that stuff to get fat.
The problem is fast food is quick to get and very cheap. It is interesting how in the past, a more plump person was viewed as wealthy since they could afford lots of food with little physical effort. Now we are attracted to people who are thin and our poor population continues to get fatter and fatter.
Can video games be blamed for some people being fat? Possibly, but they could replace that activity with television, the Internet, knitting, playing cards, etc etc with the same result.
Ultimately, there is only really one person to blame in this: the individual. There is no mystery on how people are getting fat. Get out and exercise and stop eating crap. It angers me to see this guy point the finger at gaming though. It is just the popular punching bag of our time. The guy serves some of the least healthy food on the planet and he thinks that if there just wasn't gaming, we'd all be perfect.
I don't know...I think Americans have mastered "absurd but serious"...just it is seen more in the political realm. I mean, how else do you explain who we stuck in office for the past 2 terms?
So Starcraft is dead since you can't grief people with your hacks anymore? Plenty of people are still playing it. It boasts more players than a lot of games that came out a few years ago. How is that dead?
Those aren't rumors...those are trolls.
Oblivion, and I am speaking as a PC gamer here, was far superior to Morrowind. Yeah, things were less customizable in the sense that you couldn't do little tricks to make yourself completely invincible by using alchemy and spell casting. I think it was less about being dumbed down and more about having more control on what a player was able to do so that they couldn't get stupidly powerful. But Oblivion was just much more fun to play and much more engrossing in its quests. I couldn't play through all of Morrowind because it just got boring after awhile...while Oblivion I played all the way through and had over 100 hours of game play. I didn't have a problem with the interface...but that's a good thing about being a PC gamer. There are plenty of people out there who were like you and made mods to make oblivion more morrowindy.
And that proves anything? I wouldn't pay $5 to see Titanic. It's way too short to be a $50 game. Thankfully it is a deal when bundled with ep2 and tf2.
...as this problem disappears right after Christmas is over.
Guess what...we already have socialized police, fire departments, and education. How about we get rid of free, universal education? We are falling in to evil socialism! If you really want our health care dicated by insurance companies that are traded on the stock market based on how much money they make off of denying claims, then you are either ignorant, dumb, or on the payroll of one of these companies.
Eh. Not really. Smoking is just viewed negatively by the general public...since it is popular to dislike smokers, it is ok to tax it. Video games are the evil that my generation grew up with and those in power don't understand. As some counter examples to what you are stating, we all use gas and there are gas taxes. There are taxes on alcohol and the majority of Americans drink. People are still getting elected. This elected official sees a problem and tries to think of a way to pay for it and came up with this dumb thing because he buys in to the Jack Thompson mentality; games are played by kids and cause kids to go bad.