I agree that devs should do what they want, and i think its nice that the pub was willing to risk it, but my point was, no one should be surprised that this one isn't moving units.
hell it was banned in nz, so it'll be moving exactly 0 units there, retail.
instead of insulting me, why dont you google for the stats? Hmmmm? Too constructive huh? Wanted to have your opinion huh? Well, thats *your* opinion, and "good for you".
the hardcore are the ppl with time to play games. Ie: the ppl who aren't out earning lots of excess income to spend on games.
And in fact its not early 20s anymore its mid to late 20s. and these ppl have kids. they also have money and they dont have time. put 1 and 1 and 1 together.
exactly. how about not releasing games that will automatically turn off the mum and dad shoppers?
hardcore gamers surprisingly count for a reltively small market share (some/. article linked somewhere). the joe averge buying for his kid are the real money earners.
In a culture that produces people who creat works of art, culture and entertainment that push the boundaries on what is the accepted norm one must pay the price by producing people who disagree with the former and act to stem this flow of new information.
And then theres the money grubbing leeches. I'd put the Haitians and lawyers in the last basket.
I absolutely did not suggest that there be one PC configuration with one OS! And plenty of PC titles work for me out of the box as well. 2 dozen? Since you include FF7 I can only assume this is a dozen since the start of time. I have installed hundreds, and dozens HAVEN'T worked.
Its just that on occasion a game won't work out of the box and the developer has been tardy to patch it if at all and has in some cases has just told the community to figuratively screw themselves. This is contrasted with Nintendo who are going to a silly amount of effort to patch a minor bug.
And Halo works, but it is BADLY in need of patching for reasons including hardware issues and multiplayer functionality.
I also run AMD. I also have two comps, one with winxp annd another with redhat9. I am not a novice . I am suggesting that life should be easy for them though. If they pay US$50 for a game, it should damn well work!
Dear god my typos in the parent are bad! Anyhoo...
Exactly. One would think that PC developers could afford to be a lot more gracious about patching games than Nintendo can afford to be because we are forgiving upfront since we know we mighht have some bizarre collection of outdated hardware and because it's 'relatively' cheap and fast to hand out fixes.
But for some reason PC teams really don't seem very interested in this "patching till it's fixed" idea and a lot appear to basically have the attitude "We already have your money, and you'll buy next time because our marketing machine is good at lying and you will be desperate by then, so too bad for you".
This clearly isn't representative of ALL dev teams, but enough this year have had this attitude to make a mockery of QA in general.
Once again, Kudos to Nintendo for anteing up with the goods even on such a trivial issue and shame on those PC companies who don't give a crap about paying customers who have large and valid concerns.
This sounds like a fairly minor problem, one in which a small parrt of the game ceases to function coorrectly after the player has played the game for a *year!*. And Nintendo are going to absorb a massive cost to fix this!
There are many PC titles released this year which did not function correctly out of the box (including ETM, Halo, DE2, etc etc etc...). They have had varying levels of support which range from "deplorable" to "barely scraping through". Maybe some of these titles will be fixed over the next six months, maybe not. But one might argue that the cost of diistrivutting upadtes to PC consumers is far less than that to GBA players, so one might aargue patches to fix major, much less minor issues would be far more readily available.
If only the PC developers would a take a leaf out of Nintendos book.
so they removed the frustration for run em gun em players, while allowing the hardcore fanatics who loved hitman1 to do their SA thing....this is a bad thing?!
hell, now that i think about it, leave lots of.ini files open and let ppl tweakk to their hearts content. then blatently steal their ideas for the next game (this i guess constitutes as "listening" to the fans)
to make a coherent game you need a coherent plan of action. asking the forums whhat to do is a good way to get the pulse of what ppl want, but the details should be left to ppl who understand the technical issues.
you should be hiring talented individuals who can make a market niche, or at least predict what we want to see in a game in 3 years.
you should make the game and then patch as necessary.
you should amke a game and then instead of figuring out whhat went wrong all by your lonesome and making changes as need be for the sequel (if you get this far), you should ask the fans what they want to see and WHY in the sequel. then take this data and make a game.
deus ex2 may flop on pc, and i think youll find after the dust has cleared that it may be becuase the devs figured they were more clever than the ~100,000 (total guess) people who played DE1. not smart.
you can use the mouse in the UI...i know i do! but they do need a better UI. i like drag and drop, not swap by clicking. this was obviously how theyve done it on xbox and have been to lazy to make it good for PC.
I really liked the way they handled thhe bad press the demo gave them, and Im totally looking forward to DE2.
I like the one ammo for all idea, it simplifies the gameplay allowing me to get onto thinking about how to play the game as opposed to manage my ammo consumption.
the damage does suck, but i figure theyll fix this by the time DE2 ships in a patch.
if only they get rid of those damned "helpful/tutorial/frustrating" screens, this game will be awesome.
I am a "retro gamer" who fondly remembers the acorn and sega master system. I currently play way too many games these days in addition to reviewing them
http://www.videogames.co.nz/
and one thing that has struck me thru the ages is that the same mistakes get made time and time again. That is the frustrating thing. Retro gamers have seen it all before and are stunned the new games have the same flaws as old ones. It's almost as if the industry is going out of its way to not learn.
I don't want the old days back though since we have only gained. While we carry the flaws from the past we are getting new graphics, excellent soundtracks and increasingly realistic physics. This in my opinion means that the avergae game is getting better, and I believ the top games of today whallop yesteryears in terms of gameplay.
Think about it. If someone released pong/mario 64 today and tried to sell it for full price (or anything at all) it'd be the laughing stock. We have come a long way, just not in all areas, and unsurprisingly its gameplay, the hardest one to pin down that is lagging the most.
Have the ECTS people actually played the XIII demo? I did and while I liked the in game storyboards, and the general feel of the game, it didn't come anywhere near to the 'coolness' that I've seen in gameplay movies of Halo2, Half Life 2 and Far Cry.
It just felt like I was playing NOLF2 again, and frankly I want something new. If they managed to make the level geometry look more cartoony then maybe this would be something to get excited about, but at the moment it has this juxtaposition between nicely rendered cartoon enemies and pretty standard 3d levels. =(
Who knows maybe they've had a major build channge between the demo I played and the ECTS demo.
U7p1, U7p2, U8, U9...analysing at this trend, Origin will have to pay ME monthly to get me to play this.
On a side note, I cranked up U9 last month on my AMD2400, 512DDR, GF4Ti etc and it ran WORSE than on my celery1000 (or else I was more forgiving back then)
I'm sure they'd love to have stealth, but I think they've come to the realisation that the stealth in NOLF2 is broken in some important and frequents scenarios. (maybe they patched this but 3 months after release they still hadnt). So they've just given up.
I still prefer Nolf sue to its flawless (IMO) stealth ai.
C'mon though, 21 games is good, except when you consider that they are likely to be about 1Mb each, and a DVD can typically hold 5Gb. I'm being quite serious here, I want the compilation to have 5000 games on it (essentially every game for the old old school platforms). I'd pay, I dunno, US$250? for a compilation like this. Think about it. 1DVD with ALL of your old favourites on it.
These 21 game are old and cool, but not really worth getting when you consider that there are other means of acquiring them (I bet I could get them all within an hour if so inclined). The reason to buy a compilation like this is so you dont have to go to "effort" to get them, and to get a nice GUI that allows you to easily sort and use your favourite games. They'd better have a realy nice gui, and a price of US$10 IMO.
for poor sales.
I bought Starlancer, and found I couldnt play it since the only control device for it was a M$ sidewinder joystick. I borrowed one from a friend (who NEVER used it) only to find the joystick was crap. I havent played Starlancer for more than 15min consequently.
I bought a M$ sidewinder joypad so I could play old school platformers etc on my PC. This one is EVEN WORSE than the joystick. It has littel ridges designed to give your thumb blisters and the buttons are placed so that you can't do combos easily.
I am GLAD that M$ has stopped hawking their effluent.
On a side note, I own a M$ office keyboard and optical mouse and both are pretty damn good, so not all M$ products are crap.
Maybe the reason Ati might be providing the graphics chip is because Nvidia has been burnt once, and doesnt want anything to do with M$. Or rather, Nvidias prices for M$ have gone up for a prospective XBOX2;)
After Republic, ppl will look back with warm feelings on the days of counter strike causing young impressionable males to become crazed gun-maniacs. Why? Beacuse after this they'll become... POLITICIANS!!!
WOW! I can't believe the XBOX is #16. But then again, I guess they've got to make room for the rest of M$s blunders. =)
You asked for predictions: Enter the matrix has to be in the top ten due to the popularity of the film and that fact its recent.
Nintendo wont be the last one out the gate to their next console and M$ have already stated that they will beat Sony to the next gen... I guess Sony has drawn the short straw this time. Bad luck Sony, maybe next time you'll "bags" not being last sooner!
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I agree that devs should do what they want, and i think its nice that the pub was willing to risk it, but my point was, no one should be surprised that this one isn't moving units. hell it was banned in nz, so it'll be moving exactly 0 units there, retail.
instead of insulting me, why dont you google for the stats? Hmmmm? Too constructive huh? Wanted to have your opinion huh? Well, thats *your* opinion, and "good for you".
the hardcore are the ppl with time to play games. Ie: the ppl who aren't out earning lots of excess income to spend on games.
And in fact its not early 20s anymore its mid to late 20s. and these ppl have kids. they also have money and they dont have time. put 1 and 1 and 1 together.
exactly. how about not releasing games that will automatically turn off the mum and dad shoppers?
/. article linked somewhere). the joe averge buying for his kid are the real money earners.
hardcore gamers surprisingly count for a reltively small market share (some
In a culture that produces people who creat works of art, culture and entertainment that push the boundaries on what is the accepted norm one must pay the price by producing people who disagree with the former and act to stem this flow of new information.
And then theres the money grubbing leeches. I'd put the Haitians and lawyers in the last basket.
I absolutely did not suggest that there be one PC configuration with one OS! And plenty of PC titles work for me out of the box as well. 2 dozen? Since you include FF7 I can only assume this is a dozen since the start of time. I have installed hundreds, and dozens HAVEN'T worked. Its just that on occasion a game won't work out of the box and the developer has been tardy to patch it if at all and has in some cases has just told the community to figuratively screw themselves. This is contrasted with Nintendo who are going to a silly amount of effort to patch a minor bug. And Halo works, but it is BADLY in need of patching for reasons including hardware issues and multiplayer functionality. I also run AMD. I also have two comps, one with winxp annd another with redhat9. I am not a novice . I am suggesting that life should be easy for them though. If they pay US$50 for a game, it should damn well work!
Dear god my typos in the parent are bad! Anyhoo...
Exactly. One would think that PC developers could afford to be a lot more gracious about patching games than Nintendo can afford to be because we are forgiving upfront since we know we mighht have some bizarre collection of outdated hardware and because it's 'relatively' cheap and fast to hand out fixes.
But for some reason PC teams really don't seem very interested in this "patching till it's fixed" idea and a lot appear to basically have the attitude "We already have your money, and you'll buy next time because our marketing machine is good at lying and you will be desperate by then, so too bad for you".
This clearly isn't representative of ALL dev teams, but enough this year have had this attitude to make a mockery of QA in general.
Once again, Kudos to Nintendo for anteing up with the goods even on such a trivial issue and shame on those PC companies who don't give a crap about paying customers who have large and valid concerns.
This sounds like a fairly minor problem, one in which a small parrt of the game ceases to function coorrectly after the player has played the game for a *year!*. And Nintendo are going to absorb a massive cost to fix this!
There are many PC titles released this year which did not function correctly out of the box (including ETM, Halo, DE2, etc etc etc...). They have had varying levels of support which range from "deplorable" to "barely scraping through". Maybe some of these titles will be fixed over the next six months, maybe not. But one might argue that the cost of diistrivutting upadtes to PC consumers is far less than that to GBA players, so one might aargue patches to fix major, much less minor issues would be far more readily available.
If only the PC developers would a take a leaf out of Nintendos book.
so they removed the frustration for run em gun em players, while allowing the hardcore fanatics who loved hitman1 to do their SA thing....this is a bad thing?!
hell, now that i think about it, leave lots of .ini files open and let ppl tweakk to their hearts content. then blatently steal their ideas for the next game (this i guess constitutes as "listening" to the fans)
to make a coherent game you need a coherent plan of action. asking the forums whhat to do is a good way to get the pulse of what ppl want, but the details should be left to ppl who understand the technical issues.
you should be hiring talented individuals who can make a market niche, or at least predict what we want to see in a game in 3 years.
you should make the game and then patch as necessary.
you should amke a game and then instead of figuring out whhat went wrong all by your lonesome and making changes as need be for the sequel (if you get this far), you should ask the fans what they want to see and WHY in the sequel. then take this data and make a game.
deus ex2 may flop on pc, and i think youll find after the dust has cleared that it may be becuase the devs figured they were more clever than the ~100,000 (total guess) people who played DE1. not smart.
you got different ratings dependant on HOW you completed the level with wicked unlockables being the reward. play before posting
you can use the mouse in the UI...i know i do! but they do need a better UI. i like drag and drop, not swap by clicking. this was obviously how theyve done it on xbox and have been to lazy to make it good for PC. I really liked the way they handled thhe bad press the demo gave them, and Im totally looking forward to DE2. I like the one ammo for all idea, it simplifies the gameplay allowing me to get onto thinking about how to play the game as opposed to manage my ammo consumption. the damage does suck, but i figure theyll fix this by the time DE2 ships in a patch. if only they get rid of those damned "helpful/tutorial/frustrating" screens, this game will be awesome.
I am a "retro gamer" who fondly remembers the acorn and sega master system. I currently play way too many games these days in addition to reviewing them
http://www.videogames.co.nz/
and one thing that has struck me thru the ages is that the same mistakes get made time and time again. That is the frustrating thing. Retro gamers have seen it all before and are stunned the new games have the same flaws as old ones. It's almost as if the industry is going out of its way to not learn.
I don't want the old days back though since we have only gained. While we carry the flaws from the past we are getting new graphics, excellent soundtracks and increasingly realistic physics. This in my opinion means that the avergae game is getting better, and I believ the top games of today whallop yesteryears in terms of gameplay.
Think about it. If someone released pong/mario 64 today and tried to sell it for full price (or anything at all) it'd be the laughing stock. We have come a long way, just not in all areas, and unsurprisingly its gameplay, the hardest one to pin down that is lagging the most.
Have the ECTS people actually played the XIII demo? I did and while I liked the in game storyboards, and the general feel of the game, it didn't come anywhere near to the 'coolness' that I've seen in gameplay movies of Halo2, Half Life 2 and Far Cry. It just felt like I was playing NOLF2 again, and frankly I want something new. If they managed to make the level geometry look more cartoony then maybe this would be something to get excited about, but at the moment it has this juxtaposition between nicely rendered cartoon enemies and pretty standard 3d levels. =( Who knows maybe they've had a major build channge between the demo I played and the ECTS demo.
U7p1, U7p2, U8, U9...analysing at this trend, Origin will have to pay ME monthly to get me to play this.
On a side note, I cranked up U9 last month on my AMD2400, 512DDR, GF4Ti etc and it ran WORSE than on my celery1000 (or else I was more forgiving back then)
I'm sure they'd love to have stealth, but I think they've come to the realisation that the stealth in NOLF2 is broken in some important and frequents scenarios. (maybe they patched this but 3 months after release they still hadnt). So they've just given up. I still prefer Nolf sue to its flawless (IMO) stealth ai.
C'mon though, 21 games is good, except when you consider that they are likely to be about 1Mb each, and a DVD can typically hold 5Gb. I'm being quite serious here, I want the compilation to have 5000 games on it (essentially every game for the old old school platforms). I'd pay, I dunno, US$250? for a compilation like this. Think about it. 1DVD with ALL of your old favourites on it. These 21 game are old and cool, but not really worth getting when you consider that there are other means of acquiring them (I bet I could get them all within an hour if so inclined). The reason to buy a compilation like this is so you dont have to go to "effort" to get them, and to get a nice GUI that allows you to easily sort and use your favourite games. They'd better have a realy nice gui, and a price of US$10 IMO.
for poor sales. I bought Starlancer, and found I couldnt play it since the only control device for it was a M$ sidewinder joystick. I borrowed one from a friend (who NEVER used it) only to find the joystick was crap. I havent played Starlancer for more than 15min consequently. I bought a M$ sidewinder joypad so I could play old school platformers etc on my PC. This one is EVEN WORSE than the joystick. It has littel ridges designed to give your thumb blisters and the buttons are placed so that you can't do combos easily. I am GLAD that M$ has stopped hawking their effluent. On a side note, I own a M$ office keyboard and optical mouse and both are pretty damn good, so not all M$ products are crap.
Maybe the reason Ati might be providing the graphics chip is because Nvidia has been burnt once, and doesnt want anything to do with M$. Or rather, Nvidias prices for M$ have gone up for a prospective XBOX2 ;)
After Republic, ppl will look back with warm feelings on the days of counter strike causing young impressionable males to become crazed gun-maniacs. Why? Beacuse after this they'll become... POLITICIANS!!!
WOW! I can't believe the XBOX is #16. But then again, I guess they've got to make room for the rest of M$s blunders. =) You asked for predictions: Enter the matrix has to be in the top ten due to the popularity of the film and that fact its recent.
a ROBOT with SUPERHUMAN destructive powers... get outta here! =)
I might actually buy this one, as I like the idea of space vehicles etc... I hope they've cleaned up the physics first though.
we will have to find something new to shotput... maybe if I duct-tape 4 PS2's together
Nintendo wont be the last one out the gate to their next console and M$ have already stated that they will beat Sony to the next gen... I guess Sony has drawn the short straw this time. Bad luck Sony, maybe next time you'll "bags" not being last sooner!