Really spain should not be capitalized anymore either.
Their last successful military operation was in the 15th century in the Americas.
france at least stood up, declared war and then gave up with out a fight (which is odd since after their defeat 6000 of them changed uniforms and became some of the best SS officers in the war).
spain stood up, declared neutrality and still managed to get 22,000 of their own killed.
Parallel that to today:
france talked alot, didn't do anything. Nobody died.
spain was going to support the effort to free Iraq. Terrorists blew up their trains, a few hundred casualties, spain responds by surrendering.
No, spain and france, the french and the spanish...They are cut from the same white flag^Wcloth.
After Hollywood did Failsafe (the original) and other stories about accidental launches it was a very appropriate response. Citizens should be able to view defense facilities in controlled manners.
The apparent issue is the false assertion that the people on the tour are in a live lcc/lcf. In a tour scenario you either did your tour of a facility that was down for periodic maintenance, toured the training lcc/lcf or you simply switched it off the network and if a launch needed to happen it could/would be done by the other lcc/lcf's.
Even today you can tour many secure government facilities, although less then pre 9-11, and with a bit more security required up front.
Having worked in this field I'll tell you: 1. A civilian is never allowed in a live LCC. 2. The crew is sealed in the live LCC's. 3. To get access to a live LCC is much more then cutting the chain link. 4. Even if you got into one, you need to get into two to do anything. 5. Nevermind the hoards of SP's and armed Helicopters descending around you. 6. While crew members can send messages between LCCs (and I believe between bases, I can't recall) these messages are not and can not be EAM's which are only sendable from the NCA via special terminals. 7. Even if you could send the EAM, who would believe an order coming from the wrong originator. 8. The comm systems in question are not as stupid as e-mail, they are part of a dedicated MLS (b3) system. 9. Nuclear command and control has always relied on personal responsibility, do you think nuclear submarine commanders or the alert bomber force can/could not just decide to launch, or are you deluded enough to think they have some crm114 gizmo that overrides them?
In my place of business I'd have no problem with a null password if all access to the server required two trusted administrators with keys that are kept stored in seperate combination locked safes. In fact, a password beyond the assertion of two trusted people would be stupid, and if you don't trust the people allowing them access to the keys would also be stupid.
Your scenario would be something like this: 1. Something needs done to the server, so you call the CIO 2. He gives you and your other Sys Admin a one-time password for the server. 3. You two go open your safes with your combos (each of you only know one of these combos) 4. You remove your keys and open the server locks. 5. You enter the password you got from the CIO 6. You do your business, and relock the server 7. You put your keys away
Damn, I'd hate to work in your shop. Most of us only have trusted sys admins and single passwords.
Here's an experiment for you: 1. Get a Bic lighter 2. Set it on it's lowest setting and light it 3. Hold your hand flat 3 inches over the lighter
Over time your hand will become hot, note this feeling.
4. Set your lighter to it's highest setting and light it 5. Hold your hand cupped 2 inches over the lighter.
Again your hand should become hot, note this feeling.
Now, since I assume you hand got hotter in the second test what should we determine made your hand hotter?
1. CO2 captured in your cupped hand? 2. Your hand being closer to the actual fire? 3. The fire being hotter in the first place?
Unfortunately in the current "scientific" climate the debate has stalled with the politically correct position being #1 even though we know that #2 and #3 are occuring.
If science were allowed to continue and sensationalism were stopped we'd all be better off.
RE: Yellowstone,
Yellowstone is a National Park, not a wilderness area. Most "smog" around Yellowstone is due to naturally occuring forest fires (which lodgepole pine forests pretty much need to stay healthy). These same fires also clear land for wildlife to graze.
RE: Rising water levels,
Ok, they're going up, frankly, so what? Except for you and King Canute everyone knows that sea levels will rise and fall, and have been since the first seas appeared. Remember in school when you learned about the land bridge between Asia and the Americas? Did you think the Earth sank or the water rose to eliminate this bridge?
RE: CO2,
Where do you think this CO2 came from? Did we make it? No, we freed it, this CO2 has been sequestered underground for millions of years, in all likelyhood freeing it will be a good thing for nature, farming, forests, etc since all plants need CO2 to grow. Moreover, CO2 is not a really great greenhouse gas. Maybe we should ban something potent like water vapor?
RE: Technology,
Sure, we can kill faster then anyone before...So what? If we had less chicken littles we'd have less polution anyway. If you cared about CO2 you'd be a advocate of nuclear power. (Hmm. maybe that is why Europe has so much nuclear power?)
RE: Extinction,
Species go extinct, that is what they do when they become unnecessary in their ecological niche, they do this with or without our help, and have been doing so happily since the beginning of time.
RE: Warmer
That is not the only difference. Why is it getting warmer? How warm will it get? How warm should it be? Is it natural, cyclical, or caused by man? Can/Should we try to interfere with global climate change? Should we destroy our economy to stop the warming, or should we use our economic power to mitigate our losses?
AS I understand unless you are 1) Un-Skilled, 2) Semi-Skilled, 3) Live in CA, 4) Make horrible wages or 5) Had it specified in your contract IT was already exempt from overtime.
True, but back in the mid 80's I ran some "hot shot" transport out to the oil fields.
Nothing like seeing a bunch of 40 year olds that look like 60 year olds sitting around the table in the crew house talking about how they lost their "first" finger.
Just like we don't want our national energy policy based on conservation (everyone gets 1 lightbulb, 1 fridge, and 1 motorscooter), we similarly don't want our national Dept of Energy wasting it's longterm research resources on making your laptop and flashlight last longer. Lets look at your list:
1. Batteries - Just the other day I was saying how California should not build any more power plants, they should just buy more batteries... 2. Portable Fuel Cells - Just what I want, a bunch of morons with hydrogen tanks plugged into their laptops dripping water all over the place. What insurmountable obstacle do you think there is left here? Any basic research still need done? Not really. 3. Microturbines. Basically commercially available now, about as long term as planning to take the trash out. Thankfully the DOE has their sights set higher. 4. Biodiesel. What do you want them to research? How to stop that damn french fry smell? 5. Wave Power. Yea. We want to cover our coastlines with big floaty things that bob up and down in the waves, or basically build dams across inlets to capture the tidal energy? You'd be out there with your tree-hugging ilk the second we started building one, protesting the damage it was doing to the star bellied salmon. Good idea!
Like you said, maybe you should move somewhere...and the sooner the better.
The problem with nuclear reactors is the idiots that protest them on the grounds that they are "still dangerous" are the same idiots who have blocked all attempts to replace them with newer safer technology.
1960's reactors are a bit dangerous, so are 1960's cars.
Fortunately, now over 60% of Americans feel we should be building new Nuclear power plants. New plans are about to be approved which will significantly reduce the cost and danger factor of nuclear power generation.
FYI 20% of American power is nuclear.
Dan
"The author of this page has apparently worked to photograph and categorize the use of the term UNIX in other, non software products"
I never thought I'd see it. Dennis Ritchie referred to as "this guy" on slashdot. That's like calling Torvalds "some guy from Finland" and Stallman "that hippie that writes software."
We'll probably get over it after we take over 3 more countries.;-)
Ok, That's not really fair...it is because, unlike much of the world we did not really have this sort of thing happen here before. Sure, we had kooks that blew up the occasional mail box or federal building, or shot people in McDonalds, or stock piled guns and wrote a slew of bad checks, but organized terrorists? No way, not here.
As a nation we tend to get polarized by "defining" events. 9/11 was the defining event for many young people here. Just the same as when Kennedy was shot. We're probably going to be weird for a generation or so.
That said, give us a break. I don't know where you are from, but the chances are we've probably either helped, liberated, protected, or forgave your country at least once in the last 100 years.
Trying to understand the American psyche is difficult when you are outside it.
Amen...The wife and I were driving the other day and heard a single from their new album...We were fans in the 80's and early 90's...
No shit, when the announcer said the crappy song we were listening to was Metallica my wife said, "Well, I guess they won't have to worry about people copying their music anymore."
Disclaimers: 1. I am a ham 2. I have no particular love for morse code
That said: 1. Try building your own radio capable of transmitting clover or gtor. 2. Try sending either manually with a flashlight
While the cold war has ended, and we probably are not faced with a nuclear apocolypse, I still think there is a valid reason for knowing morse code or something similer (pow tap code).
This value decreases in relation to the decreasing number of people who also know it.
I understand not reading the stories on Slashdot, but you should AT LEAST read the content of the websites that you reference. http://www.dhmo.org/facts.html h202 is Hydric acid.
I guess your point would be that it is ok to breathe/drink "a little bit" or rocket fuel?
Mexican company puts up a web site. You go there and buy a harddrive. Mexican company has Seagate USA send you a harddisk. Mexican company collects the money from you and pays Seagate.
Canada would work the same way, except that the website would be bilingual.:-)
NASA is not the future. NASA has trivialized themselves for 20+ years. They have degraded into typical bureaucrats. It sickens me every time they come up with some new stunt. "Hey, let's send a teacher into space!", "Hey, let's send a senator into space!", "Hey, let's send a really old astronaut into space!", "Hey, let's send a bunch of ants into space!", "It's for "Research".", etc.
Then when some guy comes up with $20M and wants a ride they accuse him of being "Un-American". Again, when Radio Shack wants to pay to have a commercial shot in space they again balk. They don't want success, they want their cut of the tax dollars for being a perk for military pilots. Why again is it that you damn near HAVE to be a military pilot or ex-military pilot to be an astronaut? It's not like they have to do barrel rolls in the thing, you RIDE in the shuttle, you don't DRIVE the shuttle.
Commercialization IS the future of space. Hell, if the CocaCola company wanted to carve an ad into the side of the moon it's fine with me as long as it gets us a permanent base there. There is a doctored picture of the shuttle that shows it covered with ads like a race car. It is generally titled with some cutsey title that implies that would be how it would be if NASA was commercial. You know what? Fine, put the ads on the shuttle, I'd be happy for that $15B to be coming from corporate sponsorship and not taxation. Someone always points out tech spinoffs or potential medicines being created in space. Let me answer that. Throw $15B at a bunch of universities and see what kind of spin offs you get, I'd bet that it would be a damn site better then a pen that writes upside down and a bed that contours to your back. Second, I don't care if they come up with a cure for idiocy, if you have to create it in space, then no one could afford it anyway (well maybe in Canada they could.;-)
As for military spending, that is the job of our government, one of the few assigned to it by our constitution. With the kind of taxes I am paying I certainly expect that they will do it well and ~~$400B doesn't seem excessive if they do.
As for AIDS aid in Africa, that is just a waste. Now I suppose I am a bit sorry that they are suffering (mostly for the women and kids), but first, I am not responsible for their affliction, second, it is largely a problem that stems from their own actions and attitudes. Believe me, since the 80's we have had to change the way we did alot of things to get it kinda under control here (the 70's were ALOT more fun then the 80's and 90's). The time has come for them to step up and fix their own cultures, $15B isn't the answer, responsible governments in Africa are.
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Really spain should not be capitalized anymore either.
Their last successful military operation was in the 15th century in the Americas.
france at least stood up, declared war and then gave up with out a fight (which is odd since after their defeat 6000 of them changed uniforms and became some of the best SS officers in the war).
spain stood up, declared neutrality and still managed to get 22,000 of their own killed.
Parallel that to today:
france talked alot, didn't do anything. Nobody died.
spain was going to support the effort to free Iraq. Terrorists blew up their trains, a few hundred casualties, spain responds by surrendering.
No, spain and france, the french and the spanish...They are cut from the same white flag^Wcloth.
X
In case you didn't read all of this crap he said, "I'm gay, I read too many self-help books, and I wish I worked in HR."
Dan
The tours were not "dumb".
After Hollywood did Failsafe (the original) and other stories about accidental launches it was a very appropriate response. Citizens should be able to view defense facilities in controlled manners.
The apparent issue is the false assertion that the people on the tour are in a live lcc/lcf. In a tour scenario you either did your tour of a facility that was down for periodic maintenance, toured the training lcc/lcf or you simply switched it off the network and if a launch needed to happen it could/would be done by the other lcc/lcf's.
Even today you can tour many secure government facilities, although less then pre 9-11, and with a bit more security required up front.
Dan
Gee, you KNOW alot.
Having worked in this field I'll tell you:
1. A civilian is never allowed in a live LCC.
2. The crew is sealed in the live LCC's.
3. To get access to a live LCC is much more then cutting the chain link.
4. Even if you got into one, you need to get into two to do anything.
5. Nevermind the hoards of SP's and armed Helicopters descending around you.
6. While crew members can send messages between LCCs (and I believe between bases, I can't recall) these messages are not and can not be EAM's which are only sendable from the NCA via special terminals.
7. Even if you could send the EAM, who would believe an order coming from the wrong originator.
8. The comm systems in question are not as stupid as e-mail, they are part of a dedicated MLS (b3) system.
9. Nuclear command and control has always relied on personal responsibility, do you think nuclear submarine commanders or the alert bomber force can/could not just decide to launch, or are you deluded enough to think they have some crm114 gizmo that overrides them?
In my place of business I'd have no problem with a null password if all access to the server required two trusted administrators with keys that are kept stored in seperate combination locked safes. In fact, a password beyond the assertion of two trusted people would be stupid, and if you don't trust the people allowing them access to the keys would also be stupid.
Your scenario would be something like this:
1. Something needs done to the server, so you call the CIO
2. He gives you and your other Sys Admin a one-time password for the server.
3. You two go open your safes with your combos (each of you only know one of these combos)
4. You remove your keys and open the server locks.
5. You enter the password you got from the CIO
6. You do your business, and relock the server
7. You put your keys away
Damn, I'd hate to work in your shop. Most of us only have trusted sys admins and single passwords.
Dan
Thanks Chicken little.
Here's an experiment for you:
1. Get a Bic lighter
2. Set it on it's lowest setting and light it
3. Hold your hand flat 3 inches over the lighter
Over time your hand will become hot, note this feeling.
4. Set your lighter to it's highest setting and light it
5. Hold your hand cupped 2 inches over the lighter.
Again your hand should become hot, note this feeling.
Now, since I assume you hand got hotter in the second test what should we determine made your hand hotter?
1. CO2 captured in your cupped hand?
2. Your hand being closer to the actual fire?
3. The fire being hotter in the first place?
Unfortunately in the current "scientific" climate the debate has stalled with the politically correct position being #1 even though we know that #2 and #3 are occuring.
If science were allowed to continue and sensationalism were stopped we'd all be better off.
RE: Yellowstone,
Yellowstone is a National Park, not a wilderness area. Most "smog" around Yellowstone is due to naturally occuring forest fires (which lodgepole pine forests pretty much need to stay healthy). These same fires also clear land for wildlife to graze.
RE: Rising water levels,
Ok, they're going up, frankly, so what? Except for you and King Canute everyone knows that sea levels will rise and fall, and have been since the first seas appeared. Remember in school when you learned about the land bridge between Asia and the Americas? Did you think the Earth sank or the water rose to eliminate this bridge?
RE: CO2,
Where do you think this CO2 came from? Did we make it? No, we freed it, this CO2 has been sequestered underground for millions of years, in all likelyhood freeing it will be a good thing for nature, farming, forests, etc since all plants need CO2 to grow. Moreover, CO2 is not a really great greenhouse gas. Maybe we should ban something potent like water vapor?
RE: Technology,
Sure, we can kill faster then anyone before...So what? If we had less chicken littles we'd have less polution anyway. If you cared about CO2 you'd be a advocate of nuclear power. (Hmm. maybe that is why Europe has so much nuclear power?)
RE: Extinction,
Species go extinct, that is what they do when they become unnecessary in their ecological niche, they do this with or without our help, and have been doing so happily since the beginning of time.
RE: Warmer
That is not the only difference. Why is it getting warmer? How warm will it get? How warm should it be? Is it natural, cyclical, or caused by man? Can/Should we try to interfere with global climate change? Should we destroy our economy to stop the warming, or should we use our economic power to mitigate our losses?
Dan
AS I understand unless you are 1) Un-Skilled, 2) Semi-Skilled, 3) Live in CA, 4) Make horrible wages or 5) Had it specified in your contract IT was already exempt from overtime.
Dan
True, but back in the mid 80's I ran some "hot shot" transport out to the oil fields.
Nothing like seeing a bunch of 40 year olds that look like 60 year olds sitting around the table in the crew house talking about how they lost their "first" finger.
Then again, maybe it is a sign that American's have jobs?
Dan
Moron,
Just like we don't want our national energy policy based on conservation (everyone gets 1 lightbulb, 1 fridge, and 1 motorscooter), we similarly don't want our national Dept of Energy wasting it's longterm research resources on making your laptop and flashlight last longer. Lets look at your list:
1. Batteries - Just the other day I was saying how California should not build any more power plants, they should just buy more batteries...
2. Portable Fuel Cells - Just what I want, a bunch of morons with hydrogen tanks plugged into their laptops dripping water all over the place. What insurmountable obstacle do you think there is left here? Any basic research still need done? Not really.
3. Microturbines. Basically commercially available now, about as long term as planning to take the trash out. Thankfully the DOE has their sights set higher.
4. Biodiesel. What do you want them to research? How to stop that damn french fry smell?
5. Wave Power. Yea. We want to cover our coastlines with big floaty things that bob up and down in the waves, or basically build dams across inlets to capture the tidal energy? You'd be out there with your tree-hugging ilk the second we started building one, protesting the damage it was doing to the star bellied salmon. Good idea!
Like you said, maybe you should move somewhere...and the sooner the better.
Dan
ThinkGeek would run out of stock?
932 parents would get the smelly twenty-something out of their basement finally?
932 smelly twenty-somethings would finally be able to get a date?
Larry Wall would be elected president?
Ouch, I can't think of it anymore...
Dan
I am 'dinform'ed. I also got my "free electron laser" for free!
Dan
The problem with nuclear reactors is the idiots that protest them on the grounds that they are "still dangerous" are the same idiots who have blocked all attempts to replace them with newer safer technology. 1960's reactors are a bit dangerous, so are 1960's cars. Fortunately, now over 60% of Americans feel we should be building new Nuclear power plants. New plans are about to be approved which will significantly reduce the cost and danger factor of nuclear power generation. FYI 20% of American power is nuclear. Dan
"The author of this page has apparently worked to photograph and categorize the use of the term UNIX in other, non software products"
I never thought I'd see it. Dennis Ritchie referred to as "this guy" on slashdot. That's like calling Torvalds "some guy from Finland" and Stallman "that hippie that writes software."
Dan
Um, didn't the EU just get software patents?
We're exporting bad policies just as fast as you can import them.
Don't think anyone is immune.
Dan
It's because we're pathetic.
;-)
We'll probably get over it after we take over 3 more countries.
Ok, That's not really fair...it is because, unlike much of the world we did not really have this sort of thing happen here before. Sure, we had kooks that blew up the occasional mail box or federal building, or shot people in McDonalds, or stock piled guns and wrote a slew of bad checks, but organized terrorists? No way, not here.
As a nation we tend to get polarized by "defining" events. 9/11 was the defining event for many young people here. Just the same as when Kennedy was shot. We're probably going to be weird for a generation or so.
That said, give us a break. I don't know where you are from, but the chances are we've probably either helped, liberated, protected, or forgave your country at least once in the last 100 years.
Trying to understand the American psyche is difficult when you are outside it.
Dan
>Though I have yet to find a 'Linux Nazi',
Try reading SlashDot sometime, Try going to a LUG, etc
You gotta get out of the house more man, if you aren't seeing it, it is because you aren't looking.
The whole "World Domination" and "WinBlow$" crap does alienate people.
Kinda reminds me of the late 80's with Amiga people ant their holier then thou attitudes.
Dan
Personally, I am deeply offended that any left-wing loudmouth is making bombs.
Bombs are clearly something us right-wing loudmouths are supposed to be making.
Left-wing loudmouths are supposed to tie themselves to trees, and go to Isreal to be "human shields."
Dan
Set up google to only search your favorite vendor's web site.
Then search for "proprietary" and then "confidential".
I always get a few hits, mostly market research reports, and new product plans.
Dan
Amen...The wife and I were driving the other day and heard a single from their new album...We were fans in the 80's and early 90's...
No shit, when the announcer said the crappy song we were listening to was Metallica my wife said, "Well, I guess they won't have to worry about people copying their music anymore."
I about ran off the road laughing.
Dan
Disclaimers:
1. I am a ham
2. I have no particular love for morse code
That said:
1. Try building your own radio capable of transmitting clover or gtor.
2. Try sending either manually with a flashlight
While the cold war has ended, and we probably are not faced with a nuclear apocolypse, I still think there is a valid reason for knowing morse code or something similer (pow tap code).
This value decreases in relation to the decreasing number of people who also know it.
Dan
Ok, you got me, let's try this one, The fuel is h2o2 which is different then h2o.
I know you put the stuff on your little cuts and scrapes but that is
But, you DID get me, and that is a cute website.
Dan
I understand not reading the stories on Slashdot, but you should AT LEAST read the content of the websites that you reference. http://www.dhmo.org/facts.html h202 is Hydric acid.
I guess your point would be that it is ok to breathe/drink "a little bit" or rocket fuel?
Dan
The cave fish would like to inform you that they are not webmasters and have not been deprived of their site.
They are little blind fish who have lst their sight
Thank You.
Dan
Mexican company puts up a web site. You go there and buy a harddrive. Mexican company has Seagate USA send you a harddisk. Mexican company collects the money from you and pays Seagate.
:-)
Canada would work the same way, except that the website would be bilingual.
Dan
NASA is not the future. NASA has trivialized themselves for 20+ years. They have degraded into typical bureaucrats. It sickens me every time they come up with some new stunt. "Hey, let's send a teacher into space!", "Hey, let's send a senator into space!", "Hey, let's send a really old astronaut into space!", "Hey, let's send a bunch of ants into space!", "It's for "Research".", etc.
;-)
Then when some guy comes up with $20M and wants a ride they accuse him of being "Un-American". Again, when Radio Shack wants to pay to have a commercial shot in space they again balk. They don't want success, they want their cut of the tax dollars for being a perk for military pilots. Why again is it that you damn near HAVE to be a military pilot or ex-military pilot to be an astronaut? It's not like they have to do barrel rolls in the thing, you RIDE in the shuttle, you don't DRIVE the shuttle.
Commercialization IS the future of space. Hell, if the CocaCola company wanted to carve an ad into the side of the moon it's fine with me as long as it gets us a permanent base there. There is a doctored picture of the shuttle that shows it covered with ads like a race car. It is generally titled with some cutsey title that implies that would be how it would be if NASA was commercial. You know what? Fine, put the ads on the shuttle, I'd be happy for that $15B to be coming from corporate sponsorship and not taxation. Someone always points out tech spinoffs or potential medicines being created in space. Let me answer that. Throw $15B at a bunch of universities and see what kind of spin offs you get, I'd bet that it would be a damn site better then a pen that writes upside down and a bed that contours to your back. Second, I don't care if they come up with a cure for idiocy, if you have to create it in space, then no one could afford it anyway (well maybe in Canada they could.
As for military spending, that is the job of our government, one of the few assigned to it by our constitution. With the kind of taxes I am paying I certainly expect that they will do it well and ~~$400B doesn't seem excessive if they do.
As for AIDS aid in Africa, that is just a waste. Now I suppose I am a bit sorry that they are suffering (mostly for the women and kids), but first, I am not responsible for their affliction, second, it is largely a problem that stems from their own actions and attitudes. Believe me, since the 80's we have had to change the way we did alot of things to get it kinda under control here (the 70's were ALOT more fun then the 80's and 90's). The time has come for them to step up and fix their own cultures, $15B isn't the answer, responsible governments in Africa are.
Dan