> but for the most part it comes down to one thing: Unix culture values code which is useful to > other programmers, while Windows culture values code which is useful to non-programmers.
no, the REAL difference between these cultures is that Windows programmers feel that Notepad (even with syntax highlighting) is a perfectly good text editor for source code.
> is it just me, or do i recently see heaps of > old stuff appearing on the front page?
well, read it on groklaw last week also, but it wasn't reported here, so I guess it's new to slashdot if not completely new.
anyway, it's interesting, pertinent and hasn't been mentioned in this forum. I think that it says more about you and me being slow to submit the article rather than cybermancer dredging up redundant material. (chalk up an easy one for cybermancer....)
> IBM needs to send a donation with lots of zeros on it.
pfff. don't forget this is IBM you're talking about. dang, if they did that, I might go out and buy a ThinkPad. (unless those are leading zeroes, of course....)
anyway, Pamela & Co. are doing legal work for LINUX (not IBM) just like so many coders have done code work for linux (not IBM). GROKLAW is contributing to linux, not IBM, and that isn't lost on IBM: they aren't gonna pay for stuff given freely.
at least, that's how I see it. anyway, if we, as an open source community, value coders' work for linux, then we should also value the work done in other areas that supports linux.
I've sent money to a couple of.orgs for the binaries and source of stuff I use on linux, so I only think it proper to send Pamela some money for her help here.
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I'd like to point out that the work that Pamela Jones & Co. at GROKLAW is clearly of some real use to IBM in this case. another poster has already mentioned that IBM has specifically cited a transcription GROKLAW produced in their recent filing.
I would also like to remind others that there's a little paypal donation button on the front page of GROKLAW, as mauryisland pointed out elsewhere.
click that button. give her a holiday bonus, just enough to make it hurt you a tiny little bit. and let's see just how robust PayPal's servers are.
> Wtf is happening to the community when people with talent are attacking > a distro that yet again imhop doesnt suck. These guys need to be found and > buried. Not by the police but by the commmunity.
hear, hear.
it's not a sad day for Debian so much as it is for the community. if Debian can find this supposed new exploit, fix it and publish details, then Debian will rise a little higher in people's esteem.
but why crack Debian in the first place? here I am stumped, but then I've never fully understood the cracker mentality.
> Yeah but ya gotta at least appreciate the > anger. I was laughing my ass off reading it.
I suppose. maybe I've lost my sense of humor around bikes. am I jaded?
and how the heck did this Simonetta end up with +5 Insightful?? hopefully, some MODERATOR will read that and creatively tweak their preferences to allow a rare +5 Troll to emerge. (is that possible???) I think this case warrants it.
the part about helmets really galled me, as it seems to be galling others. I have been racing for over 20 years now and have seen way too many (4 off the top of my head) good riders and ordinary citizens crash their bikes, and now are either dead or living with some level of brain damage. (one guy has no sense of smell. he and I were mechanics in the same shop, and my bench was sadly near the bathroom. he was oblivious. a hell of a mechanic, though.)
(but, leggy, that ain't insulation (or, at least, that's not its purpose). why would you want that on a hot day? that styrofoam^W space-age energy absorbtion material is there to lessen the effect of impact. I'm sure you know this, but I'm just needling you for your terminology. http://www.bhsi.org/foam.htm)
sorry if I sound like a troll, but I've been a serious cyclist for over 20 years now, done competition at the USA national level (okay, I got waxed, but I was there!), worked in the industry (local shop, major retailer, manufacturer), and have read way too much hype about new stuff. reading the comments here reminds me of a bunch of bike guys sitting around talking about how cool Windows ME was when it came out.
okay, okay, we're just off our usual topic set here. but someone tell me why this story is on/. anyway. there are several posters here that seem to be actual riders, but the great majority don't seem to be very discerning cyclists.
first, this supposedly new and supposedly cool design is, as others have already pointed out, just recycled concepts, the main function of which is to separate the consumer from his/her cash.
these concepts have all been relatively stillborn over the years mainly because they are more expensive, less reliable and heavier than existing designs. plus, internally geared hubs are fine for the grandpa and grandma riding around the retirement community, but they are notoriously inefficient for someone trying to actually go fast.
reasonable cost is important because stuff breaks. always. even the unbreakable stuff.
reliability is important because we'd all like to ride home, not walk. plus it keeps us from having to pay for more stuff. this looks like stuff designed for freestyle use, and that stuff gets thrashed.
light weight is important if you ever have to (a) accelerate the bike (including changing its direction, or (b) go uphill. maybe also (c) put the damn thing on top of your car.
anyway, these bikes look like expensive pigs using minimally tested technology. we should all be sneering at this.
I mean, shit, if you don't want your shoelaces to get caught in the chainrings, double tie them. put a fucking rubber band around your pants cuff.
entries 2b and 3 would seem to be the only ones that should be cause for offense. however entry 1a works just fine in the curent context, unless you want to object to "ostensibly".
as every teacher will tell you, the best way to learn about something is to teach it to someone else. so TLDP has promoted the ascension of a large community of users who know their shit, in addition to helping people like me who don't, necessarily.
therein lies a significant value of the project, I think.
> One way of looking at this is that AOL is simply taking Microsoft's quality issues into their own hands.
That may very well be the scariest thing I've read in years
that is scary, sure. but I think even scarier was this quote from the bottom of the article on exicte:
Russ Cooper, a security expert with TruSecure Corp., said anyone who needs the Windows messaging function that AOL disabled ought to be smart enough to know how to reactivate it.
"I hope more and more providers do this type of proactive security," he said, "and that we don't condemn them for things we wish everybody would do for themselves."
now, how many things do we all wish that everybody should do for themselves?
by the way, does anyone know if you can use aluminum foil instead of tin foil to make hats with? I'm running low and tin's hard to find.
> You have to trust the 3rd party > and be aware of what they are doing.
bingo.
and this points out the inherent security risks of all forms of outsourcing. if you entrust companies in other countries to do work that you depend on, you may find yourself at their mercy.
suppose that country A has a significant amount of their eWidgets being manufactured in sweatshops in country X. A uses many of these eWidgets in their economy, and so desires to get them more cheaply.
X becomes unstable, or the relationship between A and X sours. X decides that trade with A needs to be suspended or slowed. so shipments of eWidgets from X to A are choked off and A's economy suffers, perhaps significantly.
it'll take only a couple of instances of the above scenario or scenarios like the transcriber and the medical records to cause a panic in the governing bodies of countries that do a significant amount of outsourcing.
well, now, I've been reading the first few posts here and everyone seems to be assuming that this thing'd get used in ocean waves. I doubt it for a couple of reasons.
first, it's way too heavy. sure, it'd help ya get past the waves, but there'd be no way to control it adequately riding back in. you'd need biggish surf to be able to be propelled beachward.
second, if you did take it somewhere where the surf was big enough to ride on this pig, the locals would skeg your puffy ass just to see you bleed.
this thing is for use at the reservoir, right next to those appalling jetskis.
funny, I think google is getting/.'d after all: they've started using alternative servers. note that 216.239.41.104 kinda looks like google.com, but not exactly. (is there a google.com in, say, Farsi?)
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> but for the most part it comes down to one thing: Unix culture values code which is useful to
> other programmers, while Windows culture values code which is useful to non-programmers.
no, the REAL difference between these cultures is that Windows programmers feel that Notepad (even with syntax highlighting) is a perfectly good text editor for source code.
> Are "commentaries" like his the sad, pathetic result of not working on an OS that "just works"?
so, in short, The lady doth protest too much.
> This is a direct copy (plagerism) from an osnews article.
well, not exactly plagerism. the same guy posted in both forums.
plus jschauma added a typo for the slashdot crowd in the form of an extra 'w'. tailored it, you might say.
... that's a good 'un
> is it just me, or do i recently see heaps of
> old stuff appearing on the front page?
well, read it on groklaw last week also, but it wasn't reported here, so I guess it's new to slashdot if not completely new.
anyway, it's interesting, pertinent and hasn't been mentioned in this forum. I think that it says more about you and me being slow to submit the article rather than cybermancer dredging up redundant material. (chalk up an easy one for cybermancer....)
robots running linux are nothing new.
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http://folk.uio.no/hpv/linuxtoons/robotman.1999
hey is anyone helping our major source of reasonable information????
> IBM needs to send a donation with lots of zeros on it.
.orgs for the binaries and source of stuff I use on linux, so I only think it proper to send Pamela some money for her help here.
pfff. don't forget this is IBM you're talking about. dang, if they did that, I might go out and buy a ThinkPad. (unless those are leading zeroes, of course....)
anyway, Pamela & Co. are doing legal work for LINUX (not IBM) just like so many coders have done code work for linux (not IBM). GROKLAW is contributing to linux, not IBM, and that isn't lost on IBM: they aren't gonna pay for stuff given freely.
at least, that's how I see it. anyway, if we, as an open source community, value coders' work for linux, then we should also value the work done in other areas that supports linux.
I've sent money to a couple of
I'd like to point out that the work that Pamela Jones & Co. at GROKLAW is clearly of some real use to IBM in this case. another poster has already mentioned that IBM has specifically cited a transcription GROKLAW produced in their recent filing.
I would also like to remind others that there's a little paypal donation button on the front page of GROKLAW, as mauryisland pointed out elsewhere.
click that button. give her a holiday bonus, just enough to make it hurt you a tiny little bit. and let's see just how robust PayPal's servers are.
> She has an innocuous little "Donate here" PayPal link on the left side of the page.
I did it and am feeling quite virtuous. made the amount hurt just a tiny bit.
from the groklaw page:
2 003/sco_os_update.ppt
> http://uk.sco.com/events/Partner_Briefings/March_
isn't this a proprietary M$ format?? dang.
> Wtf is happening to the community when people with talent are attacking
> a distro that yet again imhop doesnt suck. These guys need to be found and
> buried. Not by the police but by the commmunity.
hear, hear.
it's not a sad day for Debian so much as it is for the community. if Debian can find this supposed new exploit, fix it and publish details, then Debian will rise a little higher in people's esteem.
but why crack Debian in the first place? here I am stumped, but then I've never fully understood the cracker mentality.
> Open source isn't bug-free, but we thank the guy who
> finds the problem, take responsibility, and fix it.
we also thank the system that makes the code available to this guy so that he can submit a suggestion for a fix.
> Yeah but ya gotta at least appreciate the
> anger. I was laughing my ass off reading it.
I suppose. maybe I've lost my sense of humor around bikes. am I jaded?
and how the heck did this Simonetta end up with +5 Insightful?? hopefully, some MODERATOR will read that and creatively tweak their preferences to allow a rare +5 Troll to emerge. (is that possible???) I think this case warrants it.
the part about helmets really galled me, as it seems to be galling others. I have been racing for over 20 years now and have seen way too many (4 off the top of my head) good riders and ordinary citizens crash their bikes, and now are either dead or living with some level of brain damage. (one guy has no sense of smell. he and I were mechanics in the same shop, and my bench was sadly near the bathroom. he was oblivious. a hell of a mechanic, though.)
hear, hear! who's got a mod point for legLess?
(but, leggy, that ain't insulation (or, at least, that's not its purpose). why would you want that on a hot day? that styrofoam^W space-age energy absorbtion material is there to lessen the effect of impact. I'm sure you know this, but I'm just needling you for your terminology. http://www.bhsi.org/foam.htm)
sorry if I sound like a troll, but I've been a serious cyclist for over 20 years now, done competition at the USA national level (okay, I got waxed, but I was there!), worked in the industry (local shop, major retailer, manufacturer), and have read way too much hype about new stuff. reading the comments here reminds me of a bunch of bike guys sitting around talking about how cool Windows ME was when it came out.
/. anyway. there are several posters here that seem to be actual riders, but the great majority don't seem to be very discerning cyclists.
okay, okay, we're just off our usual topic set here. but someone tell me why this story is on
first, this supposedly new and supposedly cool design is, as others have already pointed out, just recycled concepts, the main function of which is to separate the consumer from his/her cash.
these concepts have all been relatively stillborn over the years mainly because they are more expensive, less reliable and heavier than existing designs. plus, internally geared hubs are fine for the grandpa and grandma riding around the retirement community, but they are notoriously inefficient for someone trying to actually go fast.
reasonable cost is important because stuff breaks. always. even the unbreakable stuff.
reliability is important because we'd all like to ride home, not walk. plus it keeps us from having to pay for more stuff. this looks like stuff designed for freestyle use, and that stuff gets thrashed.
light weight is important if you ever have to (a) accelerate the bike (including changing its direction, or (b) go uphill. maybe also (c) put the damn thing on top of your car.
anyway, these bikes look like expensive pigs using minimally tested technology. we should all be sneering at this.
I mean, shit, if you don't want your shoelaces to get caught in the chainrings, double tie them. put a fucking rubber band around your pants cuff.
please note that there is no mention of truth or falsity in Merriam-Webster's entry for "myth", except in a secondary denotation.
entries 2b and 3 would seem to be the only ones that should be cause for offense. however entry 1a works just fine in the curent context, unless you want to object to "ostensibly".
> > This isn't much different from Mozilla's "Master Password".
> Or from Apple's "Keychain." Or even from Gator, for that matter...
or Opera's Wand.
as every teacher will tell you, the best way to learn about something is to teach it to someone else. so TLDP has promoted the ascension of a large community of users who know their shit, in addition to helping people like me who don't, necessarily.
therein lies a significant value of the project, I think.
and I, for another, welcome our new all-seeing European overlords.
> One way of looking at this is that AOL is simply taking Microsoft's quality issues into their own hands.
That may very well be the scariest thing I've read in years
that is scary, sure. but I think even scarier was this quote from the bottom of the article on exicte:
now, how many things do we all wish that everybody should do for themselves?
by the way, does anyone know if you can use aluminum foil instead of tin foil to make hats with? I'm running low and tin's hard to find.
> You have to trust the 3rd party
> and be aware of what they are doing.
bingo.
and this points out the inherent security risks of all forms of outsourcing. if you entrust companies in other countries to do work that you depend on, you may find yourself at their mercy.
suppose that country A has a significant amount of their eWidgets being manufactured in sweatshops in country X. A uses many of these eWidgets in their economy, and so desires to get them more cheaply.
X becomes unstable, or the relationship between A and X sours. X decides that trade with A needs to be suspended or slowed. so shipments of eWidgets from X to A are choked off and A's economy suffers, perhaps significantly.
it'll take only a couple of instances of the above scenario or scenarios like the transcriber and the medical records to cause a panic in the governing bodies of countries that do a significant amount of outsourcing.
and I haven't even mentioned malware, until now.
> Instead she had her mother pop in at regular
> intervals to remind her to save manually.
I guess mom was driven by a daemon?
anyway, that's a great cron task to have set up. this opens up nearly limitless vistas. you could have mom also bring a nice drink also, for instance.
dang, and people get all excited when they get some tape drive to do backups. sheesh.
well, now, I've been reading the first few posts here and everyone seems to be assuming that this thing'd get used in ocean waves. I doubt it for a couple of reasons.
first, it's way too heavy. sure, it'd help ya get past the waves, but there'd be no way to control it adequately riding back in. you'd need biggish surf to be able to be propelled beachward.
second, if you did take it somewhere where the surf was big enough to ride on this pig, the locals would skeg your puffy ass just to see you bleed.
this thing is for use at the reservoir, right next to those appalling jetskis.
or here
funny, I think google is getting /.'d after all: they've started using alternative servers. note that 216.239.41.104 kinda looks like google.com, but not exactly. (is there a google.com in, say, Farsi?)