I couldn't be arsed to explain, but I'll rise to your challenge.
My cousins, all under the age of 12 use the web-browser for everything. They play games through it, they chat through it, they meet people through it. If they could do word-processing online, and thus not have to transport files all the time etc. they would.
20-30 year olds are pretty much the same in the non-geek crowd. But I know less of the non-geek ones and only get the impression through reading studies.
Nobody needs feature-richness, they just don't want to piss about with files or installers. And the web-browsing UI metaphor seems more comfortable to people than general software metaphors. Although I don't personally find this, a lot of people obviously do when you watch them clicking away fully at ease with new webpages.
So yeah I fully expect the web to be the place to get apps in the future. Sorry for my derision, but you were pretty fucking rude to the grand parent so I felt you deserved it.
Yes I have to agree, nix security is just waiting for attention. I imagine bash or just plain sh could produce a fair amount of malware. Bash is powerful and is basically installed on all *nix which removes the "heterogenous environment" argument.
You could always use wget to grab a platform specific version of yourself if you were spyware/malware anyway.
And anyway, it's mostly social techniques that get most malware on boxes nowadays. All those activex controls tend to require dialog confirmation, but they target kids sites and the kids just ok everything.
I don't think Vista plans to address that, but of course, Macs don't either.
Google can be the default in other browsers by paying for it, which they do. They can't be default in IE, MS will never allow it. This wouldn't be an issue, like you say, MS make the browser themselves, it's up to them what to do about search-defaults. But the fact that MS have a browser monopoly makes the situation different. They can make money from MSN-search without having to actually offer a competitive advantage, this is anti-capitalism and should be prevented by law.
Luckily it is prevented by law. I'm just amazed so many slashbots fail to see the distinction.
They should because until MS stop using their monopoly to monopolise other markets everyone who uses computers gets a worse deal.
Why do people not realise that the computer industry would be a better and more interesting place if MS didn't have such a whopping share still.
Don't give me "interopability" issues, I guanrentee you'd be able to write software that would work on any OS if Windows had say 20% share, Linux 20%, Mac 20%, misc 40%. For instance Java would have caught on a lot more so, and would prolly be very fast and great by now considering the competition there would be for Java-style apps too.
MS did the industry a favor, but nowadays they are just stagnating it. The rules are different for mega-corps like MS, we have to restrict what they can do, yes even in ways that are "unfair" like this one (no MSN should not be the default!). If we let them carry on, we will all just suffer a little more each day.
For the record, MS make some nice stuff, I just am aware of the fact that we'd all be better off if they didn't have laurels to rest on. Isn't this obvious?
In your world, monopoly situations that stagnate industries, raise prices and lower value to the consumer are good things that should be encouraged and silly companies like Google should just try to behave in the same way. After all the whole point in capatalism is to crush the competition so you can then use your monopoly to create new monopolies in other industries!
Yeah Google, you're just moaning about nothing. Sure.
WTF? Of course they want to pay for it. Being set as default in IE7 would increase the amount of searches they'd get by absolutely tonnes. The cost of paying MS would easily be absorbed by the new ad revenue.
The point is there is no way in hell MS would ever let Google be the default. They have a monopoly on the browser that is not being eroded very fast. They are using this monopoly to promote their own search engine.
Why do you people not see the immorality/illegality here? I'm just plain confused as to how anyone could consider Google to be making an unjust complaint. Corps with monopolies need restritction. I'd feel the same if Google had a search engine monopoly and tried to branch out into, let's say, advertising.
What's life like when you make conclusions on topics without doing any research first? Is it a happy life? As I'm miserable. My life consists of 24 hour sex because I have figured out women completely as consider all available facts before I make up my opinions. But my penis fell off due to overuse and now I am sad:( I should have done what you did and talk crap the whole time, and maybe I'd still have my nob.
Disregarding the consequences of monopoly and where the money is, makes your opinion worthless mate. You have to assess all factors to get the truth, FFS.
Sure it smacks of hypocrisy on Google's part, but when you examine the facts, it is plain to most people that the two situations are not the same. The fact of the matter is most people have other things to worry about than who provides their search and their browser. If they are not asked up front for a choice, they'll stick with whatever the box uses by default. MS will gain market share in a distinctly non democratic fashion, which is an abuse of their browser monopoly, gained through their OS monopoly.
No offence, but you sound like a user, not someone who actually knows much about operating systems. As someone who knows a fair amount about operating systems, I conclude Windows is very useful, but it is poorly designed with a good deal of rushed implementations. It doesn't compare favorably to Unix in terms of design.
I'd like an OS expert to comment, but I've yet to meet one who isn't zealoted in proposition of Unix, or something really obscure (Plan9 anyone?), so it's hard to get a decent comment out of them. In my experience.
Honestly if I have knowledge on a given subject, i either want to share it or I dont. If I do share my knowledge, I have to accept that Im going to get deluged with stupid questions. If doing so pisses me off to the point of being an ass, then maybe I should go do something else in my spare time.
You can choose to share something but still be human enough to be unable to be a nice person all the time, every day.
And again, getting angry at one in 50 people doesn't make anyone a hypocrite for wanting Linux to be more successful.
But you are right if that person is always arrogant etc. and there are plenty of Linux users and developers like that, and yeah they suck. But Windows has it's fair share too, prolly less of a percentage as the real technical geeky types prefer Linux for obvious reasons, and they often like to get a buzz out of feeling superior. I'm ashamed to admit. And also Linux software generally requires more reading of documentation, and frustration to get working (not all, but enough of it), so there's more opportunity for them to snub the n00bs.
I develop a few projects, most notably amaroK. And can attest to the truth in the f***ing summary.
The thing is, popular projects get a lot of questions thrown at them, we have 200 people in our irc channel at any time. We're usually very good at handling questions and being nice, but the constant barrage can get you down, especially when you've had the same question asked 50 times that day, and perhaps you had a bad day at work too.
You know how it can get.
I understand a user's frustration. They want to like your product, and your documentation is sub-standard, and your program buggy (it's open source after all), so you decide to ask a developer.
But this is the error! Try not to ask the developer. Every OSS project has a number of lurkers who know the devels and project well, but tend to not develop just hang around and help with misc. tasks, one of which is user-support.
Ask those guys, you'll generally get a much nicer response.
I know this is a probably obvious and cliched comment, but OSS is not commercial software, you can't exactly expect the same kind of responses to things like requests for support.
You can believe that if you want, but statistically the women get the house and earn less so the man gets fleeced.
It's not deniable.
However I'm fine with that because the woman usually gets the kids too, she needs the house. But you shouldn't try to pretend like everything is equal.
The scientists at RealClimate are biased and their conclusions should be taken with a grain of salt. Yes I'm a scientist. You don't have to respect my opinion but I'd ask people don't automatically assume they are telling truths just because they are scientists.
Most scientists have some agenda they are trying to push, just like everyone else.
I am a proper scientist, and studied atmospheric chemistry at university. My opinion of Real Climate is they are heavily biased and ignore a lot of good science that suggests either global warming isn't happening or that it isn't man-made.
I read Crichton's book, I agree it wasn't well written, I also read the debunk at Real Climate. They ignored all his good points, namely that nobody knows why global warming is happening or if it is happening (truth, even if you seem to disbelieve this).
The facts are that we don't know what is going on, nor what we should do, all the good evidence is not easily conclusive. However most scientists in the field and outside it agree that global-warming probably is happening and that we should stop filling the atmosphere with crap to try and stop it.
In my experience, very few scientists can discuss their field in a scientific, non-biased fashion. Take Real-Climate with a pinch of salt dude.
Yep it is a great controller. Also I like the way you instinctively know what button, punch, attack, use, etc. is. Ie the must important button. It's the fricking huge red one that rests right under your thumb.
Nintendo took the controller that had become a monster of buttons all seemingly the same (ie xbox/ps2) and made them all different in such a way that even game designers could tell which functions to assign to which buttons, and thus games are very easy to just pick up and play on the gamecube.
I confess I am a bit of a Nintendo fanboy, but I have all the consoles and Nintendo always impress me the most.
XP on my machine is quite a bit slower than my Linux install. But this is because:
I run an nvidia accelerated x-server
I recompiled my kernel many times using the ck patches until it is really nice and fast for windowing-applications
I use a light distro (Arch)
I used SuSE before that, and I freely admit that Windows was noticeably faster then.
So I conclude, Linux can be a lot faster, but you have to know what you're doing, and of course, want to spend the time. I couldn't be happier now. I have a mac-mini, a XP widescreen laptop and a super-speedy linux box which uses pretty old hardware (1800Athlon-XP, NVIDIA Geforce 300 or something).
Yes but nobody would invest billions unless there was high probability of making it back. That's why the chemical and engineering industries are the only two industries that should be allowed patents. Everyone else is perfectly capable of making money without securing unecessary monopolies.
Personally I think everyone else can have a different kind of patent where you are forced to allow others to use your idea, but with royalties paid to you. But patents like "Buy now" can fuck off and screw themselves or inventions will dry up even if you can use all the ideas at cost.
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It's hardly a final design, he wasn't expecting a /. testing. But it would be too much to expect you moronic slashbots to be considerate or fair. Dick.
Yeah it's true, I'm used to the name, but I still can't bring myself to discuss it with my brother, who usually I'd chat games with all the time.
I tend to refer to it at work as the new Nintendo console.
I think you summed it up succinctly when you said "some of you".
I couldn't be arsed to explain, but I'll rise to your challenge.
My cousins, all under the age of 12 use the web-browser for everything. They play games through it, they chat through it, they meet people through it. If they could do word-processing online, and thus not have to transport files all the time etc. they would.
20-30 year olds are pretty much the same in the non-geek crowd. But I know less of the non-geek ones and only get the impression through reading studies.
Nobody needs feature-richness, they just don't want to piss about with files or installers. And the web-browsing UI metaphor seems more comfortable to people than general software metaphors. Although I don't personally find this, a lot of people obviously do when you watch them clicking away fully at ease with new webpages.
So yeah I fully expect the web to be the place to get apps in the future. Sorry for my derision, but you were pretty fucking rude to the grand parent so I felt you deserved it.
Yes I have to agree, nix security is just waiting for attention. I imagine bash or just plain sh could produce a fair amount of malware. Bash is powerful and is basically installed on all *nix which removes the "heterogenous environment" argument.
You could always use wget to grab a platform specific version of yourself if you were spyware/malware anyway.
And anyway, it's mostly social techniques that get most malware on boxes nowadays. All those activex controls tend to require dialog confirmation, but they target kids sites and the kids just ok everything.
I don't think Vista plans to address that, but of course, Macs don't either.
Google can be the default in other browsers by paying for it, which they do. They can't be default in IE, MS will never allow it. This wouldn't be an issue, like you say, MS make the browser themselves, it's up to them what to do about search-defaults. But the fact that MS have a browser monopoly makes the situation different. They can make money from MSN-search without having to actually offer a competitive advantage, this is anti-capitalism and should be prevented by law.
Luckily it is prevented by law. I'm just amazed so many slashbots fail to see the distinction.
They should because until MS stop using their monopoly to monopolise other markets everyone who uses computers gets a worse deal.
Why do people not realise that the computer industry would be a better and more interesting place if MS didn't have such a whopping share still.
Don't give me "interopability" issues, I guanrentee you'd be able to write software that would work on any OS if Windows had say 20% share, Linux 20%, Mac 20%, misc 40%. For instance Java would have caught on a lot more so, and would prolly be very fast and great by now considering the competition there would be for Java-style apps too.
MS did the industry a favor, but nowadays they are just stagnating it. The rules are different for mega-corps like MS, we have to restrict what they can do, yes even in ways that are "unfair" like this one (no MSN should not be the default!). If we let them carry on, we will all just suffer a little more each day.
For the record, MS make some nice stuff, I just am aware of the fact that we'd all be better off if they didn't have laurels to rest on. Isn't this obvious?
In your world, monopoly situations that stagnate industries, raise prices and lower value to the consumer are good things that should be encouraged and silly companies like Google should just try to behave in the same way. After all the whole point in capatalism is to crush the competition so you can then use your monopoly to create new monopolies in other industries!
Yeah Google, you're just moaning about nothing. Sure.
FFS.
WTF? Of course they want to pay for it. Being set as default in IE7 would increase the amount of searches they'd get by absolutely tonnes. The cost of paying MS would easily be absorbed by the new ad revenue.
The point is there is no way in hell MS would ever let Google be the default. They have a monopoly on the browser that is not being eroded very fast. They are using this monopoly to promote their own search engine.
Why do you people not see the immorality/illegality here? I'm just plain confused as to how anyone could consider Google to be making an unjust complaint. Corps with monopolies need restritction. I'd feel the same if Google had a search engine monopoly and tried to branch out into, let's say, advertising.
lol. I look forward to looking back to this post with much amusement when you are proved wrong.
What's life like when you make conclusions on topics without doing any research first? Is it a happy life? As I'm miserable. My life consists of 24 hour sex because I have figured out women completely as consider all available facts before I make up my opinions. But my penis fell off due to overuse and now I am sad :( I should have done what you did and talk crap the whole time, and maybe I'd still have my nob.
Disregarding the consequences of monopoly and where the money is, makes your opinion worthless mate. You have to assess all factors to get the truth, FFS.
Sure it smacks of hypocrisy on Google's part, but when you examine the facts, it is plain to most people that the two situations are not the same. The fact of the matter is most people have other things to worry about than who provides their search and their browser. If they are not asked up front for a choice, they'll stick with whatever the box uses by default. MS will gain market share in a distinctly non democratic fashion, which is an abuse of their browser monopoly, gained through their OS monopoly.
Google are justifiably nervous about this.
No offence, but you sound like a user, not someone who actually knows much about operating systems. As someone who knows a fair amount about operating systems, I conclude Windows is very useful, but it is poorly designed with a good deal of rushed implementations. It doesn't compare favorably to Unix in terms of design.
I'd like an OS expert to comment, but I've yet to meet one who isn't zealoted in proposition of Unix, or something really obscure (Plan9 anyone?), so it's hard to get a decent comment out of them. In my experience.
Where in the world is wee = penis?
You can choose to share something but still be human enough to be unable to be a nice person all the time, every day.
And again, getting angry at one in 50 people doesn't make anyone a hypocrite for wanting Linux to be more successful.
But you are right if that person is always arrogant etc. and there are plenty of Linux users and developers like that, and yeah they suck. But Windows has it's fair share too, prolly less of a percentage as the real technical geeky types prefer Linux for obvious reasons, and they often like to get a buzz out of feeling superior. I'm ashamed to admit. And also Linux software generally requires more reading of documentation, and frustration to get working (not all, but enough of it), so there's more opportunity for them to snub the n00bs.
I develop a few projects, most notably amaroK. And can attest to the truth in the f***ing summary.
The thing is, popular projects get a lot of questions thrown at them, we have 200 people in our irc channel at any time. We're usually very good at handling questions and being nice, but the constant barrage can get you down, especially when you've had the same question asked 50 times that day, and perhaps you had a bad day at work too.
You know how it can get.
I understand a user's frustration. They want to like your product, and your documentation is sub-standard, and your program buggy (it's open source after all), so you decide to ask a developer.
But this is the error! Try not to ask the developer. Every OSS project has a number of lurkers who know the devels and project well, but tend to not develop just hang around and help with misc. tasks, one of which is user-support.
Ask those guys, you'll generally get a much nicer response.
I know this is a probably obvious and cliched comment, but OSS is not commercial software, you can't exactly expect the same kind of responses to things like requests for support.
You can believe that if you want, but statistically the women get the house and earn less so the man gets fleeced.
It's not deniable.
However I'm fine with that because the woman usually gets the kids too, she needs the house. But you shouldn't try to pretend like everything is equal.
The scientists at RealClimate are biased and their conclusions should be taken with a grain of salt. Yes I'm a scientist. You don't have to respect my opinion but I'd ask people don't automatically assume they are telling truths just because they are scientists.
Most scientists have some agenda they are trying to push, just like everyone else.
I am a proper scientist, and studied atmospheric chemistry at university. My opinion of Real Climate is they are heavily biased and ignore a lot of good science that suggests either global warming isn't happening or that it isn't man-made.
I read Crichton's book, I agree it wasn't well written, I also read the debunk at Real Climate. They ignored all his good points, namely that nobody knows why global warming is happening or if it is happening (truth, even if you seem to disbelieve this).
The facts are that we don't know what is going on, nor what we should do, all the good evidence is not easily conclusive. However most scientists in the field and outside it agree that global-warming probably is happening and that we should stop filling the atmosphere with crap to try and stop it.
In my experience, very few scientists can discuss their field in a scientific, non-biased fashion. Take Real-Climate with a pinch of salt dude.
Yep it is a great controller. Also I like the way you instinctively know what button, punch, attack, use, etc. is. Ie the must important button. It's the fricking huge red one that rests right under your thumb.
Nintendo took the controller that had become a monster of buttons all seemingly the same (ie xbox/ps2) and made them all different in such a way that even game designers could tell which functions to assign to which buttons, and thus games are very easy to just pick up and play on the gamecube.
I confess I am a bit of a Nintendo fanboy, but I have all the consoles and Nintendo always impress me the most.
I admire the fact you didn't post ac, but I have to say, you suck!
It's a shame you posted ac as I wanted to ask for you to recommend some tracks for d/l. Now I expect to think rap and hip-hop are shit forever more.
I used SuSE before that, and I freely admit that Windows was noticeably faster then.
So I conclude, Linux can be a lot faster, but you have to know what you're doing, and of course, want to spend the time. I couldn't be happier now. I have a mac-mini, a XP widescreen laptop and a super-speedy linux box which uses pretty old hardware (1800Athlon-XP, NVIDIA Geforce 300 or something).
Yes but nobody would invest billions unless there was high probability of making it back. That's why the chemical and engineering industries are the only two industries that should be allowed patents. Everyone else is perfectly capable of making money without securing unecessary monopolies.
Personally I think everyone else can have a different kind of patent where you are forced to allow others to use your idea, but with royalties paid to you. But patents like "Buy now" can fuck off and screw themselves or inventions will dry up even if you can use all the ideas at cost.
Hopefully you'll lose your karma in meta-moderation.