In court filings the company argued that the Web sites were not protected by free speech because they are not legitimate members of the press.
Funny when I went to school the right to free speech was a right of all Citizens not just the press. Has the US changed to the point that the average Joe or Jane can't express something they know or feel? Has things changed to the point that in order to speak in public you must be approved as in "Certified Member of the Press"?
Personally I think this is a great idea. A very long time ago this is how the Internet kept itself clean. You did bad things the word got out on you and every sysadmin in the world came along and beat the crap out of your servers. This worked really well too.
Yes I too think this is the best term for their so called "products". Wonder if they will send me a letter if I post a page calling their so called "products" Shitware??
You are right BoA IS a faceless entity that cares nothing about their customers and only their profits. I live in Atlanta (their corp offices are here) I have been screwed out of my own money my them, and have heard 1,000s of stories that are the same. This has been happening with this bank for over 20 years that I know of. Still people continue to use them.
I will not use them in any form. I will drive 10 miles out of the way to NOT use even their ATM machines. (No they ain't even getting my $1.50 for a transaction.
You've got a good point. If Windows "Add and Remove Programs" won't remove it. Then it must be Windows fault? AHH Windows is spyware!
You know I have NEVER trusted a third party uninstaller you get from the spyware company. Whos to say there not slipping something else back in.
Actually by default an installed Windows program will show up under "Add and Remove Programs". You have to write code to get around it not showing up under it. This to me says shitware
Ok the sharks want to quibble about words then a NEW buzzword. "Shitware" Def: Any program or application that does not allow itself to be uninstalled by the default means of the OS, bypasses the systems security settings, uses a known exploit to install itself, or writes back any data to an outside source regardsing the "use" of the computer. (Feel free to add to this!)
The sad truth is that in a legal battle like this it is not who is right or wrong, but you has the deepest pockets to buy the biggest sharks.
I'd even venture to say that if Free OS's had the same installed base, the same virus-target-area, as MS today, a new WinXP (SP2) system would be more secure than a new RedHat system. Why? Because if Linux had the same base as MS, it would have the same number of viruses, and RH doesn't come with virus software, and Windows (when you buy from most OEM's) does.
Where did you get that FUD! The one big thing and the simplest security feature that keeps RedHat more secure over Windows is it is built and configured for users NOT to run as Administrator. This is the biggest screw up of MS. 80% of the spyware anf virus out there will not load unless you are running under and Admin or Root account. Try to install something on a RH box. See if you don't get a window asking for the root password. The default set up of Windows makes the default user an Administrator. Hell some MS programs won't even run unless you are an Administrator. You call that secure????
If Microsoft's products where the best I would buy them. Why do I use RedHat? It isn't the cost it is the built in security and realibity.
Did you ever wonder why the NSA used RedHat as its base for SELinux? If Windows is so superior why didn't they use Windows as the base of their in-house secure operation system?
Thank you! Thank you! Best help I've got on this! It would seem that for the price of support you pay for with QuickBooks (one of my clients pays for it for their company) They would know this and happily give you this information. But wouldn't life be simplier if everyone followed the basic security rule of "Do nothing under root or Administrator except setup".
So Microsoft "rasied" my income by 3.7%. Funny my income went DOWN and all I can see when looking at the numbers is that MS cost me money on computer repairs, down time for patches, and normal MS BS.
Bill did not stick $3.00 in my pocket. Maybe they made that for their stock holders, but like myself not every average person doesn't own M$ stock. So how can you or the article that you got your information from say that any company that I do not have a profitable business dealing with put money in my pocket?? Spare me the math of national averages and gross national products. These number in the real world mean nothing to the "average" person and have no direct effect on the "average" person nor their income. Talk like this is very much like Bush's tax cuts. Sounds relly good in the media but when it gets to dollars in an average person's pocket it is just so much bull shit.
You missed something. Yes something can be set to auto download, unzip, and compile automatically BUT when it gets to the su command someone MUST enter a pasword to install. It cannot install without it. Windows isn't built to do this so things can be installed without your knowledge. (Windows calls this ease of use. It isn't a bug but a feature.) When the password box pops up on Linux this tells you "Something is trying to install." Now if you are so stupid to enter the root password then well you need your system screwed up.
This is a good idea but it doesn't work with programs such as QuickBooks. Restricting the used of the system files to read and excute of users kill QuickBooks. When you call them thet instruct you to use an Admin account. And they call this secure????
You are right God did put the environment here and soon he will wash your polluting ass from this Earth and then the pollution problem will be gone. Maybe it has already started. Heard of any big waves washing any coast lines lately?
The article also said save jobs besides saying save money. Isn't a person a more valuable resource than a dollar? How are you saving jobs by outsourcing?????
You got a very good point, Especially if you own the LAN that your two friends are on. You gave them to permission to be on your network. It being your network it would seem you could do whatever you want with captured packets. You have a legal right to sniff your own network. When it is on the wire it is TCP IP packets these are built using open standards and you own the hardware and the wire it is traveling on. There is no M$ on the wire. Bill and Steve's lawyers will figure something out.
Microsoft is committed to MTOM as the definitive solution for including opaque data in XML and SOAP messages, and we plan to implement support for MTOM across our XML-aware product line.
-- Don Box, Architect, Microsoft Corporation
Yea right.... It will be MSMTOM and won't work with anything BUT IE and M$ products. Look at what they did with their version of XML.
Still on occasions it froze and hung. Couldn't connect to anything on a network, and you had to know to type "PR#6" to get it to boot of it just sat there. You missed the guys point there just isn't that much differance from to days of 86 and today execpt people get away with infecting machines with their crap so they can spread more marketing BS. Lets face it the driving force in all this is marketing.
Why is it that everytime a new piece of land is found either on this planet or even explored on the Moon or Mars some white guy has to stick a flag on it and call it theirs?
If it is so strong then why is it in 1972 I could take you $500.00 and but a really nice used car. Now I can't but a worn out piece of shit for that. Example. in 1974 I bought a brand new Toyota Land Crusier for $5,200.00 that same car now cost over $30,000.00. In 1974 I was working and could afford the new car. Now I do good to keep my poor old (used) pony on the road.
NOW! tell me where the fucking strenght is in that!
The truth is maybe we make a whole lot more now but the buying power of that is not what it used to be.
Also I wasn't talking about visiting a country with the money I was talking about trying to make a living and the level of that living.
I don't know where you got the 1/4 from. Things were WAY cheaper then. You could live a lot better on a lot less. The roll of film is a good example that you left out of you math. A friend was over seas not long ago. A roll of film costs him $0.35 that costs him $3.50 here. Now that is 10 times as much. Now if you look at the 1/7 amount in the earnings and things cost only 1/10th the amount that it does now you have a gain in your earnings.
All I know is that I ate a lot more steak then and eat a lot more dried beans now!
You are right it is all relative. Say what you will but I would rather pay $0.35 for a roll of film instead of $3.50. When the something cost 10 times as much in one place as another I would say that is REAL weak!
Guess you weren't having to make a living in 1972. Really it was a lot easier!
(read strong US dollar), and how much the fact that Indian programmers are just cheaper.
Where do you get the idea that the US dollar is strong gout of this??? Lets say that a roll of Kodak film cost $3.50US in the USA that same roll of film in India cost $0.35US in India. The roll of film hasn't changed it is still the same roll of film. The only thing is that it cost you MORE in the US because the US dollar is WEAK!!!! it ain't worth as much as other people's money. The roll of film hasn't changed has it??? No the only diffenance is what you pay for it. Your buying power is not as great which means you money is no good!
In 1972 I made 3.10 and hour here in the US. I had a nice house a car took trips and could afford to go our on the town every now and then. Now I make $20.00 per hour and I can't hardly afford to live. My life style hasn't changed except for the fact that a dollar will not buy what it would in 1972. Personally I would rather work for the $3.10 and be able to buy a loaf of bread for $0.35 and a gallon of gas for $0.50
You have been buying into the media crap too much an not doing your own math. The reason labor is cheap there is not that their money is no good but that ours is no good. Labor is labor and has its own worth. What regulates worth is the value of the money. Not the value of the work.
Buying Power = Money Value
Yes I will work for $5000.00 a year if I can have a nice apartment, eat go out, go on a vacation, and be able to enjoy life. I'm sure not doing those things with the powerful US Dollar we have now!!!!!!!
You are right. Not on any networks we maintain. all workstations are locked from loading unapproved software, and AOL is NEVER approved! So if AOL wants to wast their money go ahead, but not on my network. One big problem with downloading the browser on our networks is AOL is completely blocked at the firewall. You can't get there from here.
You do have a point this isn't certifying this for Linux but for their software and hardware. I do see where this could lead to the more widely practical, for example a certification authority that certifies distributions and applications as being compliant with the LSB. RedHat and IBM both are good about developing standards and there opening them up to the world. Unlike M$ that develope standards and then put the big patent lock on them. This is the one and only thing that Linux is lacking. A common standard to where applications are "load and go" on a box. That and the end of dependices hell. Maybe we are watching a birth of a good thing. I hope so.
Well this won't work in the business world. If I shut this mail server down even to reboot during the day the phone and pagers go crazy. Other problem with your idea is a lot of these spammers just will not go away. yourbigvote.com is still trying to send mail to accounts that have been dead for over 4 years!!! Still they send them and yes still the server just bounces them back. Blacklisting IPs and filters are the only thing that really works. Personally I like to reject thier mail and make it bounce back this does send some traffic back to them they have to deal with.
Slashdot Mirror
Seems they are there!
Funny when I went to school the right to free speech was a right of all Citizens not just the press. Has the US changed to the point that the average Joe or Jane can't express something they know or feel? Has things changed to the point that in order to speak in public you must be approved as in "Certified Member of the Press"?
Freedom is only an illusion in this country.
Personally I think this is a great idea. A very long time ago this is how the Internet kept itself clean. You did bad things the word got out on you and every sysadmin in the world came along and beat the crap out of your servers. This worked really well too.
Yes I too think this is the best term for their so called "products". Wonder if they will send me a letter if I post a page calling their so called "products" Shitware??
I will not use them in any form. I will drive 10 miles out of the way to NOT use even their ATM machines. (No they ain't even getting my $1.50 for a transaction.
You know I have NEVER trusted a third party uninstaller you get from the spyware company. Whos to say there not slipping something else back in.
Actually by default an installed Windows program will show up under "Add and Remove Programs". You have to write code to get around it not showing up under it. This to me says shitware
Ok the sharks want to quibble about words then a NEW buzzword. "Shitware" Def: Any program or application that does not allow itself to be uninstalled by the default means of the OS, bypasses the systems security settings, uses a known exploit to install itself, or writes back any data to an outside source regardsing the "use" of the computer. (Feel free to add to this!)
The sad truth is that in a legal battle like this it is not who is right or wrong, but you has the deepest pockets to buy the biggest sharks.
Where did you get that FUD! The one big thing and the simplest security feature that keeps RedHat more secure over Windows is it is built and configured for users NOT to run as Administrator. This is the biggest screw up of MS. 80% of the spyware anf virus out there will not load unless you are running under and Admin or Root account. Try to install something on a RH box. See if you don't get a window asking for the root password. The default set up of Windows makes the default user an Administrator. Hell some MS programs won't even run unless you are an Administrator. You call that secure????
If Microsoft's products where the best I would buy them. Why do I use RedHat? It isn't the cost it is the built in security and realibity.
Did you ever wonder why the NSA used RedHat as its base for SELinux? If Windows is so superior why didn't they use Windows as the base of their in-house secure operation system?
Thank you! Thank you! Best help I've got on this! It would seem that for the price of support you pay for with QuickBooks (one of my clients pays for it for their company) They would know this and happily give you this information. But wouldn't life be simplier if everyone followed the basic security rule of "Do nothing under root or Administrator except setup".
Bill did not stick $3.00 in my pocket. Maybe they made that for their stock holders, but like myself not every average person doesn't own M$ stock. So how can you or the article that you got your information from say that any company that I do not have a profitable business dealing with put money in my pocket?? Spare me the math of national averages and gross national products. These number in the real world mean nothing to the "average" person and have no direct effect on the "average" person nor their income. Talk like this is very much like Bush's tax cuts. Sounds relly good in the media but when it gets to dollars in an average person's pocket it is just so much bull shit.
You missed something. Yes something can be set to auto download, unzip, and compile automatically BUT when it gets to the su command someone MUST enter a pasword to install. It cannot install without it. Windows isn't built to do this so things can be installed without your knowledge. (Windows calls this ease of use. It isn't a bug but a feature.) When the password box pops up on Linux this tells you "Something is trying to install." Now if you are so stupid to enter the root password then well you need your system screwed up.
This is a good idea but it doesn't work with programs such as QuickBooks. Restricting the used of the system files to read and excute of users kill QuickBooks. When you call them thet instruct you to use an Admin account. And they call this secure????
You are right God did put the environment here and soon he will wash your polluting ass from this Earth and then the pollution problem will be gone. Maybe it has already started. Heard of any big waves washing any coast lines lately?
The article also said save jobs besides saying save money. Isn't a person a more valuable resource than a dollar? How are you saving jobs by outsourcing?????
You got a very good point, Especially if you own the LAN that your two friends are on. You gave them to permission to be on your network. It being your network it would seem you could do whatever you want with captured packets. You have a legal right to sniff your own network. When it is on the wire it is TCP IP packets these are built using open standards and you own the hardware and the wire it is traveling on. There is no M$ on the wire. Bill and Steve's lawyers will figure something out.
Yea right.... It will be MSMTOM and won't work with anything BUT IE and M$ products. Look at what they did with their version of XML.
Still on occasions it froze and hung. Couldn't connect to anything on a network, and you had to know to type "PR#6" to get it to boot of it just sat there. You missed the guys point there just isn't that much differance from to days of 86 and today execpt people get away with infecting machines with their crap so they can spread more marketing BS. Lets face it the driving force in all this is marketing.
Why is it that everytime a new piece of land is found either on this planet or even explored on the Moon or Mars some white guy has to stick a flag on it and call it theirs?
NOW! tell me where the fucking strenght is in that!
The truth is maybe we make a whole lot more now but the buying power of that is not what it used to be.
Also I wasn't talking about visiting a country with the money I was talking about trying to make a living and the level of that living.
All I know is that I ate a lot more steak then and eat a lot more dried beans now!
Guess you weren't having to make a living in 1972. Really it was a lot easier!
Where do you get the idea that the US dollar is strong gout of this??? Lets say that a roll of Kodak film cost $3.50US in the USA that same roll of film in India cost $0.35US in India. The roll of film hasn't changed it is still the same roll of film. The only thing is that it cost you MORE in the US because the US dollar is WEAK!!!! it ain't worth as much as other people's money. The roll of film hasn't changed has it??? No the only diffenance is what you pay for it. Your buying power is not as great which means you money is no good!
In 1972 I made 3.10 and hour here in the US. I had a nice house a car took trips and could afford to go our on the town every now and then. Now I make $20.00 per hour and I can't hardly afford to live. My life style hasn't changed except for the fact that a dollar will not buy what it would in 1972. Personally I would rather work for the $3.10 and be able to buy a loaf of bread for $0.35 and a gallon of gas for $0.50
You have been buying into the media crap too much an not doing your own math. The reason labor is cheap there is not that their money is no good but that ours is no good. Labor is labor and has its own worth. What regulates worth is the value of the money. Not the value of the work.
Buying Power = Money Value
Yes I will work for $5000.00 a year if I can have a nice apartment, eat go out, go on a vacation, and be able to enjoy life. I'm sure not doing those things with the powerful US Dollar we have now!!!!!!!
You are right. Not on any networks we maintain. all workstations are locked from loading unapproved software, and AOL is NEVER approved! So if AOL wants to wast their money go ahead, but not on my network. One big problem with downloading the browser on our networks is AOL is completely blocked at the firewall. You can't get there from here.
You do have a point this isn't certifying this for Linux but for their software and hardware. I do see where this could lead to the more widely practical, for example a certification authority that certifies distributions and applications as being compliant with the LSB. RedHat and IBM both are good about developing standards and there opening them up to the world. Unlike M$ that develope standards and then put the big patent lock on them. This is the one and only thing that Linux is lacking. A common standard to where applications are "load and go" on a box. That and the end of dependices hell. Maybe we are watching a birth of a good thing. I hope so.
Well this won't work in the business world. If I shut this mail server down even to reboot during the day the phone and pagers go crazy. Other problem with your idea is a lot of these spammers just will not go away. yourbigvote.com is still trying to send mail to accounts that have been dead for over 4 years!!! Still they send them and yes still the server just bounces them back. Blacklisting IPs and filters are the only thing that really works. Personally I like to reject thier mail and make it bounce back this does send some traffic back to them they have to deal with.