Since no one else did, I sent this when the first slashdot article appeared. I got a reply recently.
To sum up the email, they will use LGPL, and release a demo code around May when the website will be re-opened.
The program is based on some already existing open source software. So yes, it probably uses wine.
So will it turn up?
This was the response:
The availability of the commercial version of Project David is before the end of this year. We do encourage the open source movement and we will comply with the GNU LESSER GENERAL PUBLIC LICENSE. We will be posting developments and availability of our demo code through our Website http://www.specopslabs.com which will be reopened before the end of May. Through our website, we will be announcing how you can secure a licensed copy of Project David when it becomes commercially available before the end of this year. For existing MS Windows users, it will be available via download. For users buying a new PC, we are working with PC manufacturers, System Whitebox Builders and OEM's on having this pre-loaded when the PC is ordered as a Linux desktop/server
As the final pricing of the commercial version of DAVID is still being finalized, the combined pricing of David with the Linux distribution of your choice will be significantly lower than securing a license for the desktop proprietary Operating Systems in the market today. We are a firm believer in having Linux on the desktop and will price the product accordingly to make the commercial issues more compelling.
Below are some additional information on Project David. [SNIP!]
The only things I didn't already know from the articles that have appeared are that:
"Our Linux/Win Bridge software is one of multiple components [Including LGPL stuff like wine?], which comprise our OS platform. In the future we will release another component, which is a set of tools that will encourage developers to write native Linux applications."
"The David software is a joint development effort between De La Salle University and SpecOpS Labs. Our Chief Technical Officer is Mr. Peter Valdez. As you may know Mr. Valdez is the founder of Tivoli Systems, which is now a multi billion-dollar flagship product of IBM."
"The code for our Windows/Linux Bridge is a hybrid of code, including our own proprietary code, and code from several open source projects."
Hey, I'm JFM, the news editor at peerguardian.net
you can check that up if you want;)
yes i wrote the original article, and i did do it myself. i managed to get a contact with klite as soon as they removed the content.
this article has been mirrored all over the net, and i would like please that everyone who has mentioned it, please CREDIT me as the author.
I am a student in English, and I wish to use the articles I write as a step-up into professional journalism.
so slashdot and other admins, please credit me as the author of these works, even the post at the top of the page uses my text.
I want no money, just recognition for the hard work I do in finding all this stuff out:p
Thanks for everyones help:)
Can someone please create an online computer common sense test, so that I don't have to go through all the obvious procedures that I've already gone through while I'm talking to tech support. Apparantly they don't understand that if some people phone tech support THEY REALLY NEED IT:(!
you're getting, in my view, a crappy quality song -- not what the artist did in the studio
ok so by making an EXACT frame by frame copy of the song from the cd which is exactly alike in every way, how exactly is it crappy quality.
I agree that mp3s have some frequencies removed from them as a matter of course, but this is because most people CAN'T HEAR THEM, so this means that CDs are actually inferior technology, since they are a highly overpriced form of bloatware.
The best example I can give for people who don't know as much is to use the example of ZIP files, or Compressed Archives in windows. These files have repeated or useless data removed so that they are smaller. Otherwise, the text you put in is the same as you get out. This is true of Mp3s. Also with a PC you get far better playlist management.
You need to read the facts and THINK BEFORE YOU TYPE.
Here is a challenge for you. Download Cdex (http://cdexos.sourceforge.net/) - its free and legal.
Put in one of your cds and choose the CDDB button. Now all your tracks are named. Now rip to mp3.
Can you tell the difference? If you are then you are a bat!
To be perfectly blunt, the majority of 16-18 year olds dont buy the manufactured "digitally enhanced" bands that are releaced anyway?
Just because a band has baught publicity with every daytime tv show doesn't mean its famous or popular.
With TV contracts etc, the industry is trying to make as much out of non-album profits as possible, but in doing this is simply turning music into yet another publicity drive, destroying the freedom that was meant to be the entire point to music.
What happened to freedom?
If I buy a CD, I'd much rather rip it and build up my winamp/xmms playlist than keep changing discs.
Just because my entire Music folder happens to be shared does that mean I am commiting some terrible crime?
Is the creation of worms and "tracking systems" ie viruses to log the IP addresses of suspected Kazaa users a crime? If the law was applied to an IP logger that sent ip addesses to anyone else then it would be considered illegal. So why not here?
By the way, I'm 16, I listen to music. And I DONT buy manufactured rubbish just because its on 60 different tv shows in one day. (Including interviews with one band on two "live" tv shows at once.) Whats more, I don't know anyone else who does buy this "genre" of music. Generally, people buy what they like, and what they like isn't the cheap, manufactured crap that the industry would like us to buy.
I ask the RIAA to tell me again why the customers are the ones who are wrong?
It used to be true that music was freedom, a way to rebel against society for the younger generation. Now the industry is sueing that generation simply because they are not complying with focus group studies that say what music they should listen to.
Sorry for the rant, but the point i'm trying to make is that the teen market cares just as much as any other group about music quality. The real problem is the sale of music to impressionable pre-teens who are more likely to be fooled by marketing.
If port scanning et al is illegal, then why isn't what the RIAA is doing?
It makes no logical sense, and I agree completely with your point.
In the UK and EU there is the Data Protection Act, so why isn't this understood anywhere else?
Should a company be able to break a physical law just because it is being carried out digitally. They can't trace packages you send, so why can they trace the files you send?
....except for in any numbering system other than the US one. Such as the European one.
EU:
1,000,000 = Million
1,000,000,000,000 = Billion
US:
1,000,000 = Million
1,000,000,000 = Billion
Thats another protocall that has to be worked out.
but now the RIAA has started to completely reject the ideas of freedom of speech. Why should we be sued for the use of their own promotional tools. Isn't it clear that this is simply a case of the industries fear to lose what they have created?
Beyond this I would say that some fault lies in the system of law that governs where the limit is on what information on the internet is private, and what is free for organisations to view.
The UK can not be affected by organisations like the RIAA since the Data Protection Act prevents the aquisition of data without the permission of the end user. This means that the worms and other devices the RIAA are using world wide to gain IP addresses is infact illegal in this country, as illegal in fact as the viruses that we care so much about stopping.
But they carry on. Just because what they are doing is legal in America doesn't mean that they should do it world wide.
hear hear
I actually have an unused, legal Windows XP cd. Also if you use Mandrake Linux it has a really nice custom theme, Galaxy, that is far nicer to look at.
Also I could easily complain about all the programs called Win something in Windows. Wincustomize, WinZip, WinWord, need i go on?
Just the next step along an inevitable chain.
on
Twist on DNA Privacy
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Since the UK poineered the idea of a DNA manhunt, this is simply another extention of the UK laws which invented Speed Cameras and Congestion charges. The idea that technology is infalible and will not affect you if you are innocent is something thats been used for a long time in the UK. I agree with the privacy ideas, but the fact is that this method catches murderers and has allowed several wrongly convicted killers to go free, having previously being forced to serve extended life sentances.
As far as i'm concerned thats a good thing.
Having seen the current quality of UK Government computer systems: a poor mish-mash of different systems, some of them decades old, and some of them windows.
I got an experience placement at a low level Govt. org recently, at the IT dept, and most of the systems were absolutely terrible.
The systems are all different, and the file types that are used to communicate between the different systems have to be continuously converted. Maybe a free system such as linux would be a good way to escape this problem and bring a uniform standard that would be affordable for the UK.
-has managed to corrupt all my partitions after thinking linux was a bug in scandisk -crashes if you try to run the wrong two types of program at once -is incapable of understanding perfectly good c++ unless it has a load of weird microsoft stuff added too it, or unless you download some really huge updates -crashes anyway
etc etc
compared to my linux install which has crashed once in the past year
Slashdot Mirror
Since no one else did, I sent this when the first slashdot article appeared. I got a reply recently.
To sum up the email, they will use LGPL, and release a demo code around May when the website will be re-opened.
The program is based on some already existing open source software. So yes, it probably uses wine.
So will it turn up?
This was the response:
The availability of the commercial version of Project David is before the
end of this year. We do encourage the open source movement and we will
comply with the GNU LESSER GENERAL PUBLIC LICENSE. We will be posting
developments and availability of our demo code through our Website
http://www.specopslabs.com which will be reopened before the end of May.
Through our website, we will be announcing how you can secure a licensed
copy of Project David when it becomes commercially available before the end
of this year. For existing MS Windows users, it will be available via
download. For users buying a new PC, we are working with PC manufacturers,
System Whitebox Builders and OEM's on having this pre-loaded when the PC is
ordered as a Linux desktop/server
As the final pricing of the commercial version of DAVID is still being
finalized, the combined pricing of David with the Linux distribution of your
choice will be significantly lower than securing a license for the desktop
proprietary Operating Systems in the market today. We are a firm believer in
having Linux on the desktop and will price the product accordingly to make
the commercial issues more compelling.
Below are some additional information on Project David. [SNIP!]
The only things I didn't already know from the articles that have appeared are that:
"Our Linux/Win Bridge software is one of multiple
components [Including LGPL stuff like wine?], which comprise our OS platform. In the future we will release
another component, which is a set of tools that will encourage developers to
write native Linux applications."
"The David software is a joint development effort between De La Salle
University and SpecOpS Labs. Our Chief Technical Officer is Mr. Peter
Valdez. As you may know Mr. Valdez is the founder of Tivoli Systems, which
is now a multi billion-dollar flagship product of IBM."
"The code for our Windows/Linux Bridge is a hybrid of code, including our own
proprietary code, and code from several open source projects."
Hey, I'm JFM, the news editor at peerguardian.net you can check that up if you want ;)
yes i wrote the original article, and i did do it myself. i managed to get a contact with klite as soon as they removed the content.
this article has been mirrored all over the net, and i would like please that everyone who has mentioned it, please CREDIT me as the author.
I am a student in English, and I wish to use the articles I write as a step-up into professional journalism.
so slashdot and other admins, please credit me as the author of these works, even the post at the top of the page uses my text.
I want no money, just recognition for the hard work I do in finding all this stuff out :p
Thanks for everyones help :)
Can someone please create an online computer common sense test, so that I don't have to go through all the obvious procedures that I've already gone through while I'm talking to tech support.
Apparantly they don't understand that if some people phone tech support THEY REALLY NEED IT:(!
In europe they are struggling??? They are only the fastest selling consoles in Europe!
you're getting, in my view, a crappy quality song -- not what the artist did in the studio ok so by making an EXACT frame by frame copy of the song from the cd which is exactly alike in every way, how exactly is it crappy quality. I agree that mp3s have some frequencies removed from them as a matter of course, but this is because most people CAN'T HEAR THEM, so this means that CDs are actually inferior technology, since they are a highly overpriced form of bloatware. The best example I can give for people who don't know as much is to use the example of ZIP files, or Compressed Archives in windows. These files have repeated or useless data removed so that they are smaller. Otherwise, the text you put in is the same as you get out. This is true of Mp3s. Also with a PC you get far better playlist management. You need to read the facts and THINK BEFORE YOU TYPE. Here is a challenge for you. Download Cdex (http://cdexos.sourceforge.net/) - its free and legal. Put in one of your cds and choose the CDDB button. Now all your tracks are named. Now rip to mp3. Can you tell the difference? If you are then you are a bat!
To be perfectly blunt, the majority of 16-18 year olds dont buy the manufactured "digitally enhanced" bands that are releaced anyway?
Just because a band has baught publicity with every daytime tv show doesn't mean its famous or popular.
With TV contracts etc, the industry is trying to make as much out of non-album profits as possible, but in doing this is simply turning music into yet another publicity drive, destroying the freedom that was meant to be the entire point to music.
What happened to freedom?
If I buy a CD, I'd much rather rip it and build up my winamp/xmms playlist than keep changing discs.
Just because my entire Music folder happens to be shared does that mean I am commiting some terrible crime?
Is the creation of worms and "tracking systems" ie viruses to log the IP addresses of suspected Kazaa users a crime? If the law was applied to an IP logger that sent ip addesses to anyone else then it would be considered illegal. So why not here?
By the way, I'm 16, I listen to music. And I DONT buy manufactured rubbish just because its on 60 different tv shows in one day. (Including interviews with one band on two "live" tv shows at once.)
Whats more, I don't know anyone else who does buy this "genre" of music.
Generally, people buy what they like, and what they like isn't the cheap, manufactured crap that the industry would like us to buy.
I ask the RIAA to tell me again why the customers are the ones who are wrong?
It used to be true that music was freedom, a way to rebel against society for the younger generation. Now the industry is sueing that generation simply because they are not complying with focus group studies that say what music they should listen to.
Sorry for the rant, but the point i'm trying to make is that the teen market cares just as much as any other group about music quality. The real problem is the sale of music to impressionable pre-teens who are more likely to be fooled by marketing.
In the UK and EU there is the Data Protection Act, so why isn't this understood anywhere else?
Should a company be able to break a physical law just because it is being carried out digitally. They can't trace packages you send, so why can they trace the files you send?
Look at this site and you might see what I mean.
Surely that makes more sense?
I live in the UK, and the old on is the one i've seen used in school, universitiy etc....
....except for in any numbering system other than the US one. Such as the European one. EU: 1,000,000 = Million 1,000,000,000,000 = Billion US: 1,000,000 = Million 1,000,000,000 = Billion Thats another protocall that has to be worked out.
but now the RIAA has started to completely reject the ideas of freedom of speech. Why should we be sued for the use of their own promotional tools. Isn't it clear that this is simply a case of the industries fear to lose what they have created?
Beyond this I would say that some fault lies in the system of law that governs where the limit is on what information on the internet is private, and what is free for organisations to view.
The UK can not be affected by organisations like the RIAA since the Data Protection Act prevents the aquisition of data without the permission of the end user. This means that the worms and other devices the RIAA are using world wide to gain IP addresses is infact illegal in this country, as illegal in fact as the viruses that we care so much about stopping.
But they carry on. Just because what they are doing is legal in America doesn't mean that they should do it world wide.
Am I wrong?
Could an AI be invented to use post comic replies on Slashdot?
Being named Joe, i take great offence at that.
hear hear I actually have an unused, legal Windows XP cd. Also if you use Mandrake Linux it has a really nice custom theme, Galaxy, that is far nicer to look at. Also I could easily complain about all the programs called Win something in Windows. Wincustomize, WinZip, WinWord, need i go on?
Since the UK poineered the idea of a DNA manhunt, this is simply another extention of the UK laws which invented Speed Cameras and Congestion charges. The idea that technology is infalible and will not affect you if you are innocent is something thats been used for a long time in the UK. I agree with the privacy ideas, but the fact is that this method catches murderers and has allowed several wrongly convicted killers to go free, having previously being forced to serve extended life sentances. As far as i'm concerned thats a good thing.
Having seen the current quality of UK Government computer systems: a poor mish-mash of different systems, some of them decades old, and some of them windows. I got an experience placement at a low level Govt. org recently, at the IT dept, and most of the systems were absolutely terrible. The systems are all different, and the file types that are used to communicate between the different systems have to be continuously converted. Maybe a free system such as linux would be a good way to escape this problem and bring a uniform standard that would be affordable for the UK.
Some of us live in the uk you know:(.
thats the spirit!
Speaking from a Windows Me pc that:
-has managed to corrupt all my partitions after thinking linux was a bug in scandisk
-crashes if you try to run the wrong two types of program at once
-is incapable of understanding perfectly good c++ unless it has a load of weird microsoft stuff added too it, or unless you download some really huge updates
-crashes anyway
etc
etc
compared to my linux install which has crashed once in the past year