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Kazaa CEO vs. Hilary Rosen
Carpoolio writes "TechTV is continuing its good coverage of the RIAA attack on file swappers, and now they've gone to Australia to interview Nikki Hemming, CEO of Sharman Networks (Kazaa). It's supposedly one of the only TV interviews she's ever done, and Hemming has some interesting things to say about Hilary Rosen and the RIAA, and the future of Kazaa, but without revealing too much. In TechTV's story (part of a three-part series), they've pitted the two against each other, using a recent interview they did with Rosen. Streaming video of the Rosen interview is included on the site."
which one is Gozilla and which one is Mothra?
MMORPG fan-boy? Prove your worth
Sounds like an, uhm, interesting mud wrestling match. I would seriously pay for front row seats to that.
In the, erm, brown corner we have Hilary Rosen; devourer of civil liberties, champion of everyone's IP rights (for varying values of 'everyone',) and destroyer of the fell beast Napster.
In the, uhm, OTHER brown corner, we have Nikki Hemming; fearless leader of Sharman Networks, profiteers behind such wonderful, life enhancing software as 'KaZaA Media Desktop;' single-handedly responsible for installing the Brilliant Digital plugin onto millions of desktops.
Like I said. Front row seats. Winner gets a latex fist, ten pounds of diff grease and a brass replica of the Scales of Justice.
You're doing it wrong.
Once again, the RIAA is going to make life hard for theirselves down the line as they continue to sue their own customer base. Not a good business pratice, never will be.
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Yeah, but that's what you get when you buy a CD too, a much too loud abomination of what the artist recorded.
http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/words-to-avoid.html
I thought one had to be and 800lbs. gorilla... ?
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"Once again, the RIAA is going to make life hard for theirselves down the line as they continue to sue their own customer base"
This is just like Gray Davis's strategery in the recall election.
Do we support Hilary 'CD Crippler' Rosen or Nikki 'Spyware Installer' Hemming?
Slashdotter are stupid and biased.
A more important piece of information (which you'd know if you read the article) is that Nikki is a man..
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Whatever you prefer
I was hoping they would mention if pirated versions of NHL 2004 were going to be available soon. I bet Nikki gets all the stuff first. -- I guess i'll give up file-sharing and go back to stabbing hookers.
But then I realize that part of the 15 bucks I would have given to best buy or whatever is going to fund a lawsuit against the parents of some 13 year old girl who downloaded the latest n*stink song, listened to it twice, and forgot about it (nevermind the fact that the song COULD have been copied from the GOD DAMN RADIO)...
So I am left with hunting on KaZaA for a song that may or may not be the real (or whole) song, and might very well crap out halfway through the download...
RIAA, sod off... some of us want your music, and WOULD pay 13-15 bucks for a CD, but not if you're going to rape us...
This is my sig. Its pathetic.
It's too bad Kazaa's CFO, Miffy, and CTO, Taylor, couldn't make the interview. I understand that TechTV had their Chief Marketing Officer, Debi, on stand by.
Why is it you think this should be illegal to distribute? It would probably be safest to keep this material out of the hands of minors, but what gives you the right to tell someone else what they can and cannot see? In my opinion the government should spend less time monitoring and governing lifestyle issues (drugs, alcohol, porn, hookers, gambleing, etc.) and spend more time on issues like health care, education, and campaign finance reform.
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Sorry, but where I come from, that's mere hypothesis... Rosen probably would agree, but she actually hasn't...
Also, KaZaA (or whatever silliness they do with their capital letters) is known to be one of the most prolific distributors of spyware on the internet, so do we support them, or the technophobic legalistic RIAA?
Oh well, each to their own. Use freenet! (They kennae catch you that way
Wow, and yet (quoth the article):
"SYDNEY, Australia -- Her company's technology may be dragging the entertainment industry, kicking and screaming, into a future of file swapping, but the entertainment industry would rather drag Nikki Hemming and her company into court. "
emphasis mine.
Yep. 'Her' equates to being a man.
You don't speak/read English as a native language, do you?
It has kazaaliteuser@Kazaa as one of the users but I thought that was the default user name of all the Kazaa Lite installations......meaning that more than 1 person is using that user name....
Rosen claims KaZaA is ruining, not expanding, the recording industry by allowing inferior copies of music to be downloaded with its software. "If you're using KaAaA today, you're getting, in my view, a crappy quality song -- not what the artist did in the studio, not what they wanted you to hear, not their finest work," she said.
I thought the problem the RIAA had with digital copying was that copies were near-perfect and did not degrade over generations? There Hilary is telling us that digital copies are not good copies.
The RIAA, two faced? Never! If digital copies suck so much, I want my LP's back, too!
Dude, please don't feed the Trolls.
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Am I the only one that thinks the camera man should be fired? Sortof like revisiting the Blair Witch Project.
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'host of questions about the challenges she faces running such a controversial company'.
Or did they change personal pronouns again while I was away?
I agree with you 100%. If anything, the government needs to step in and police people who think that its someone else's job to raise their kids, teach their kids values, teach their kids manners, and keep their kids from growing up to be thugs.
Personally, I think people with the mentality that we need more government to 'protect' us need to be sterilized - to ensure that they can't pollute the genepool with their complacant beliefs and attitudes.
Cruising the internet on my TI-99/4A @ a whopping 300 baud!
Yes, that was sarcasm!
Slashdotter are stupid and biased.
Well, comparing this to this, I would have to say Nikki wins hands down.
Whatever you prefer ;)
If I were you, I'd focus a little less on my mid-90's era emoticons and a little more on my 3rd grade English reading comprehension.
What the fuck does one of the only mean? It makes it sound like there were multiple interviews, but at the same time only one. Which one is it?
I love how TechTV is portraying Kazaa as the noble progressive, leading us all into the GLORIOUS FUTURE OF FILE-SHARING, while Rosen and Co. are stodgy, grumpy old dinosaurs seeking to deprive humanity of life-saving technology.
I know all of the "blah blah outdated business model blah blah" arguments, and even agree with some of them, but TechTV didn't lend itself much credibility (IMHO) with their one-sided opening remarks.
I am now grabbing my ankles, waiting for moderators to get ahold of this.
"Ask not what your country can do for you." --John F. Kennedy
I didn't say I wanted them to destroy health care or education, I said they should spend MORE on it. And campaign finance reform is a very broad term, if we the US could make it to the moon they should be able to figure out a way to keep politicians from recieving what are essentially bribes while still allowing for a fair election.
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Government should certainly stay out of health care.
Yeah, don't want a healthy, productive citizenship. That surely can't be productive towards a large, healthy base of workers to draw on in order to increae production and therefore GDP. Crazyness!
Second, Kazaa is a distribution network, not the material itself. It's not Kazaa's fault that certain people share files like that. Shutting down Kazaa won't fix that problem, just as removing roads isn't the fix for getting rid of smugglers.
Is it me, or was that one of the worst cameramen you have ever seen on the Nikki Hemming interview?
Zoom in, zoom out, quick pan left, quick pan right
I have a headache now from watching it.
How is the RIAA finding out who's sharing what on Kazaa? Are they using Kazaa to do it? And if they are, by simply using the Kazaa software are they killing their own case?
The thing that we all need to realize, like Napster and Morpheus, Kazaa is essentially dead now. Let it go. Nobody wants to share on it now for fear of being caught. So the real question is where's the next filesharing service? The one that we can all use for another year or two until legal action is taken against it and we move on to the next one?
Note that Hilary spells her name with one "l". This is the case with the vast majority of Hil(l)arys, at least in the United States. But the former first lady, a notable exception, has caused all these poor Hilarys (Hilaries?) to spend the rest of their lives having their names misspelled. Hilary Rosen deserves such an awful fate, but for the sake of the others, I ask you to mind your "l"s.
Won't somebody please think of the Hilarys?
The preceding was paid for by the Coalition for Hilary Awareness.
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Please tell me this - do you want YOUR children see a video where someone gets shot in the head?
I definitely do not. Kazaa has loads of videos where people get hurt in real life and descriptions such as 'Pizza guy gets hit by a car! FUNNY! FUNNY!'. Sick! So sick!
I had forgotten to fire up my copy of Kazaa this morning!
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Kazaa shut be shut down. There is some really nasty videos there that affect the mental health of young people.
Use search keywords 'faces of death' and you see what I mean. There are some videos where someone shoots a woman in head and that kind of shit that should be banned and illegal to distribute.
I suspect you are trolling, but I will bite...
The presence of those videos, like the copyrighted material, is the responsibility of the users of Kazaa not the makers of Kazaa. Also, if you are worried about the mental health of young people, maybe you should not let young people you care about use Kazaa, if you are conserned about other peoples children, tell them not to let their children use Kazaa. The fact is that the internet (and TV if you ask the right people) are full of material that someone will find objectionable, If you don't like the material, don't seek it out, nobody is forcing you to. Perhaps we should ban angry music and the movie Bambi because they can be damaging to the mental health of young people as well...ell...
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"Who is Gray Davis sueing other than the state of California in order to try to get on the ballot as a candidate?"
Davis is already on the ballot in the recall vote. He does not need to be on a second time in the new governor vote.
As a father of two I want to know exactly what's going on on Internet. I _want_ to have the knowledge. With disgust I watched these sick videos and although I'm an old man even I had troubles dealing with what I saw. That is why.
What is the point of these sick videos? Does someone get sexual pleasure of watching them or what is the point? I won't accept sick behavior like that.
Most of it is the governor's fault. Instead of doing things to make the situations in California better, he has only tried outright to make it worse.
Greatly increasing the amount of taxpayer money wasted on rich non-working government employees (the pension boost) is just one example of it.
Both Bush and Gore got more votes in 2000 than Bill Clinton ever did.
Mandate, shmandate. To paraphrase JFK: the winner got one more vote than the guy who came in second and that's all the mandate he needs.
To further chomp down...I recently visited my favorite used CD/DVD store and what did I find on the rack? "Faces of Death 4" in all its DVD splendor. I've seen this series in video rental stores for at least ten years. While it's a vile concept, IMHO (and something I've never wanted to see), it's not a new, Internet-only attack on America's youth. While such material perhaps should be banned, the fact is that, today, it is available via brick and mortar. Don't attack the medium for the message.
"If you're using KaAaA today, you're getting, in my view, a crappy quality song -- not what the artist did in the studio, not what they wanted you to hear, not their finest work," ---Hilary Rosen
Seen in the light of this Ms Rosen is trying to tell us that what I get from a CD is what the "artist" did in the studio? Faced with a choice between 15 for a crap cd or a few pence of download for a crap MP3, I know which i'll take...
And now they've guaranteed that they never will.
"I don't think you do stop technology," Rosen said. "I don't think we'd want to stop technology."
Indeed, the RIAA would rather load up CDs with copy-protection technologies instead. I've had to turn down three recent CDs that I was interested in, since I know they won't play on most of my computers or linux-based portables. A shame, since I would have shelled out the $18CAN for them too.
I didn't know you could videotape the devil. I thought it would be like with vampires and mirrors, not being able to see themselves, or something. :\
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He still has a problem with spasms, it seems.
What about the banner ads on various webpages that I have no choice about? What about the text-ads and links to pornographic websites that can't be blocked by software that helps to remove/clean up the above? What about the offensive results on some search engines that are returned for sometimes unrelated searches?
How is this not being forced?
I'm not trolling, I'm dead serious. I can assure you that when you have some kids of your own you'll understand me.
See...I take my gun and I put it -- point blank -- to the forehead of my latest musician victim. Then I say, "write me a song, now!" with a menacing little "...or else..." sometimes thrown in for good measure.
I gotta say, I love stealing music. But Ms. Rosen is right, the quality is dubious...you'd be surprised how bad a lot of musicians are at freestyle and adlib.
Maybe I need to stick with Jazz musicians.
you are choosing to use the internet, aren't you?
I think these ads are in bad form, but you are still opening yourself to them by choice
Cool videos, thanks for the tip! If you like those, check out www.ogrish.com
Is how record production costs diminished. The quality of cheap, home made records is on the rise. Yet CD prices are also on the rise, and why? Who has an answer for that?
And as for P2P, the question is whether the monopoly in the music business makes it legit. Don't think that nobody is getting seriously hurt.
If only we could have someone who could *really kick ass* and get him out. Someone who could use a shotgun whilst riding a motorbike. Hang on, he's running, isn't he...
Try to do some parenting with your kids first before you complain that hollywood / music industry / internet isn't doing a good job of it. Guess what...it's NOT their job, it's yours
Hillary Rosen File Sharing Information wants to be free
What is the point of these sick videos? Does someone get sexual pleasure of watching them or what is the point? I won't accept sick behavior like that.
And as such, you have the choice of unplugging from the internet or taking responsibility yourself to ensure that your children don't see something you don't want them to see. You don't have to accept it, but nothing gives you the right to censor others who want to see it.
Not you nor anyone else has the right to police everyone else's belifs or desires. Faces of Death (which, BTW I found awefully laughable when I saw it as a teen) has a market, just like pr0n, stock market news, etc. If you object to something thats out there, avert your eyes or bury your head in the sand.
If you don't want your children being exposed to stuff like this, then get an ISP that blocks sites or use SurfPatrol or some other cyber-nanny. Rest assured, not everyone's going to use such technology and eventually your children will be exposed (like when they go visit Johnny's house).
Cruising the internet on my TI-99/4A @ a whopping 300 baud!
Why do they constantly tout the number of times kazaa has been downloaded (as they do in this article) when the number of connected users is what matters?
If it's been downloaded 240 million times, why the hell aren't there 240 million users on when I connect? Now, granted, due to times zones, jobs, and what-not everyone would not be on at once, but still, shouldn't there be more than ~3 million people connected at once?
Either one of these figures is wrong, or I'm missing something. Or perhaps this is a sign that a lot of people that download kazaa have trouble getting it to work...
"To confine our attention to terrestrial matters would be to limit the human spirit." -Stephen Hawking
I'm not trolling, I'm dead serious. I can assure you that when you have some kids of your own you'll understand me.
Your options are
1) don't have children
2) don't let your kids use the computer
3) don't let them use kazaa
4) use kazaa's filter option
5) educate your kids about approriate and inappropriate material (e.g. faces of death in the videostore, jack ass on mtv, top-shelf magazines, and on the internet) and behavior (e.g. copyright infringement). Foster an open atmosphere so your kids tell you when they run across anything that bothers them, rather than sneak around behind your back, or lie awake at night worrying about what they saw and what your reaction to hearing about it might be.
Summary of your options;
1) don't parent
2) don't parent
3) don't parent
4) don't parent
5) parent like a responsible adult.
Would you suggest banning the catholic faith because some of their clergy abused children? Or is it perhaps better to make sure that if your child is uncomfortable with any interaction with the world out there which it can't deal with, they will ask your guidance and help?
No shit, parenting is hard. Practice on pets. They don't use kazaa. If you're not ready for the fact that kids grow up and get to see the world, whether you like it or not, then wear a rubber.
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If my Kazaa Lite software is to be believed, there are of this posting 3,397,980 users online sharing 679,092,156 files totalling 5,338,368GB. I wouldn't exactly call that dead...
I can see your position on it. No, I don't have kids (dunno about other posters), but I still think it should be a matter of end users. Should we ban DVD players because they can play porn? Ban books because they can carry messages of hate and prejudice? Ban the internet because it can be used to traffic child porn and snuff films? I don't think so. Saying that Kazaa should be shut down because of a file you can find is no different than crying for the end of the ftp protocol or IRC.
Exact Audio Copy. How rude is it to put out music on something that cannot be copied for personal use? Personal copies eg cassette tape, minidisk, MP3, for car CD player, are legal in Australia. As for the spyware. I've yet to install Kazaa. My favourite version of the file sharing networks is sneakernet. Slow but effective.
-- it must be true, it's on the internet.
Well, I for one think organized religion is sick. Should it be illegal?
I mean, using your logic it should be - because I think its sick and all.
Cruising the internet on my TI-99/4A @ a whopping 300 baud!
I can assure you that when you have some kids of your own you'll understand me.
I can assure you that when I have kids, I will introduce them to the world and do my best to explain it to them, not try to hide it from them, so they discover it on their own when I am not around to help them understand.
How old are your kids? Are they old enough to use Kazaa? If not, don't let them, if so, you better start teaching them about the world around them, because it is an ugly place in many ways, and it is better for them to find out from you, than to live in ignorance of that fact, or find out on their own.
I really do understand wanting to keep you young ones protected, but you have to ween them from this protection. They will leave your protection some time, I had too many friends back in my teen years who were allowed no responsibility for themselves, and did not know how to handle it when they went to college, some of them could , but most of them had major adjustment difficulty. I, like my parents did for me, want to ensure that my kids are mature enough to be on their own, by the time they are on their own, and maturity is not learned under your constant protection, it is learned through experience (hopefully gradually).
If you still want you kids on the net (minus the stuff you don't like), and are really committed, why don't you and some like minded people (there certainly are enough of you), get together and make a white list internet, you can trade files with others on the white list, you can only go to approved, kid friendly websites... But please, don't force me and my future children to use your list.
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I still believe that file sharing is a scapegoat for the real reason in dropping cd sales. Baby boomers have finished replacing their vinyl. Nuff said.
Sure I believe file swapping is stealing. But if it never existed sales figures would be the same as they are now. Basically the internet has created a victimless crime. In my model of the world anyway.
I ask the question. How many people anywhere can afford to buy 500 cd's in a couple of months. The RIAA acctually thinks that people have made the disicion to not spend 10 000 dollars on them every three months? And to get it for free/steal it instead?
Pass interferance is waved off if the ball is ruled uncatchable.
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In case the site gets slashdotted, I put a copy of the video up on Kazaa.
Being a windows user, I reintstall evey 35 days. And I don't save the kazaa installer due to the updates. so i've downloaded kazaa like 20 times by now.
Oh, and don't forget about Kazaa lite
"Very shortly there will be a paid-for version of KaZaA that will be ad-free and enhanced and, I think, that will be a very exciting proposition to the users,"
so..umm...kinda like Kazaa Lite?
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that is a good post!
Faces of Death, not for me. I'm a wee bit too lilly livered. But I don't know if I'd go so far as to call it vile. That woman walking into the train probably goes a long way in teaching people to be aware of their enviroments, for one. But even more generally, death is a part of life, and I suppose it's only natural that some people would want to explore aspects of it. It's nice that they've got an outlet to do it safely. My queseyness shouldn't be an obstical to someone else's morbid curiosity. Who knows, maybe there's wisdom to be found in the weird and unusual ways people leave the world, sometimes on video tape.
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Kazaa shut be shut down. There is some really nasty videos there that affect the mental health of young people.
Use search keywords 'political protest' and you see what I mean. There are some videos where someone disagrees with the majority and that kind of shit that should be banned and illegal to distribute.
If Slashdot were chemistry it would look like this:Cadaverine
How old are your kids? Are they old enough to use Kazaa? If not, don't let them, if so, you better start teaching them about the world around them, because it is an ugly place in many ways, and it is better for them to find out from you, than to live in ignorance of that fact, or find out on their own.
I don't know.... In my experience kids love surprises.
Eventually, they gave up on protecting me from the internet (especially when I knew WAY more than them about it and they became powerless) and instead tried to educate me about the things they were concerned about.
My 12 year old brother uses the net a lot now. But they don't try to restrict him from doing things on it. They try to educate him. And ya know what? He isn't as interested in those things now (well, maybe not the porn...). But these are facts of life. Death, sex, all of it. Sooner or later your child WILL learn about them. Either educate them, or let them educate themselves (not recommended) but don't think for a second that you can stand in their way and stop them from learning about it. I'm not trying to argue with ya here, I'm just telling you how kids are, and what WILL inevitably happen.
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I'm surprised that no one has set up a company to anonymize P2P... I know there are companies that anonymize web surfing in general, but it seems like someone could write an app that would anonymize all TCP/IP traffic going out from your computer.
IANAL, but I would imagine that it would be best if it was written by a company NOT involved in the P2P industry. That way, the company is simply offering generic anonymous internet and can't be slapped with charges like Napster of being designed solely for the intent of transferring copywrited material.
If the company is continuously shuffling IP addresses among its various members, and not keeping records that can be subpoenaed in court, then the RIAA is once again unable to attack individuals.
The only downside would be the huge volume of traffic going through the anonymizing site, making it a fairly expensive service that casual P2P users would probably never subscribe to.
then wear a rubber.
Or continue posting to Slashdot.
If you're using KaAaA today, you're getting, in my view, a crappy quality song
Then start making some good songs.
the RIAA is going to make life hard for theirselves down the line as they continue to sue their own customer base
I believe the RIAA's main complaint is that the people they're suing aren't customers, because they're copying the music for free instead of paying for it like they're supposed to.
OK, we all hate and loathe the RIAA and MPAA and we will bring them down. I think it's time to start planning for a post-RIAA world order.
First, and most fun, should come the war-crimes tribunal. Hilary Rosen, Jack Valenti, Congressmen Berman, Tauzin, Hatch, and Hollings, and all the top execs at the content companies should be put in stockades in public squares around the country so that music fans and citizens can throw CDs, cassettes, and excrement at them (sorry, triply redundant, that.). Then we put them in strait jackets, put them in rubber rooms, and force them to listen to N'Sync, Backstreet Boys, Britney Spears, Michael Jackson, and all of their terrible music until their ears bleed and they're reduced to piles of gibbering insanity. Then we'll give them a life sentence in a nice asylum where they can finger paint and watch Barney with expressions of childlike wonder.
Then we designate a national holiday to mark our liberation, to be celebrated by amateur musicians, thespians, and artists performing free in public plazas and parks across the land. We'll show movies outdoors against the sides of buildings, like in the old days, and have carnival booths where you can pay a nickel to take a whack at Lars and the Metallica boys. Ahhh, can you see it?
Do what you can, with what you have, where you are.
I do actually pay for music on the internet, but I'm frustrated by the fragmentation of the content. For example, I pay $9.95 a month for Rhapsody, but there are huge holes in their content. The apple music store has some things Rhapsody does not have, but neither of them has everything I'm interested in. Meanwhile, I can walk over to my local record store and they have CDs from just about every label. What I don't understand is that record companies complain and whine about how the internet is killing their business, but then when someone like me is willing to pay, these same record companies don't provide everything over the internet. The most frustrating experience I have, is that I listen to an album for a few weeks on Rhapsody and then mysteriously it disappears. Even worse, is that individual songs on an album come and go. I email Rhapsody and they say the record company decided to not make it available anymore. What kind of crap is that? Why are radio stations able to play whatever CD they want, but a pay internet site has to go negotiate for every song on every CD? The problem is that the record companies don't want to change. They are just hoping the internet will go away and they can continue doing business the way they always have. It's very frustrating. The internet is a great way to download and sample music, but the companies who control it do not make it easy.
When every song on an album is worth listening to, I buy it, otherwise I use IRC to get the one good song. I don't feel bad about it, because instead of them ripping me off, I rip them off.
and by the same token, don't download it either. If the songs were really that bad, people wouldn't be sharing them on P2P networks.
Would you suggest banning the catholic faith because some of their clergy abused children?
No, I have other reasons for suggesting such a thing.
Would you suggest banning the catholic faith because some of their clergy abused children?
Yes, i think that religion is an obsolete system of control by the top 1% over the remaining 99%. fuck religion. people dont read enough confucious
pay a dollar to download a each and every song over kazaa. 1: Spend $1,000,000 recording a cd 2: Sell 10,000,000 copies of every good song, and 2,000,000 of all the crap ones for $1 a piece 3: PROFIT!!! This numbers may be under or over inflated but it's easy to see it could be BIG MONEY, that could be used for creating new more horrible torture devices, for the RIAA. Then again what do I know?
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He might just have a sucky tripod. Those are very hard to deal with. A good tripod won't let you jerk the camera like that.
I haven't heard the audio, I'm in a computer lab, but if it's as bad as described by another poster, that's just inexcusable. That's what the VU meters on the sides of the camera are for.
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MP3s are compressed, they aren't digital copies.
digital
\Dig"i*tal\, a. [L. digitals.] Of or performance to the fingers, or to digits; done with the fingers; as, digital compression; digital examination.
It's still made out of bits isn't it? Compression does not analog make.
"In the end, consumers and artists are brought together by this amazing technology, and they have a level of interactivity they've never had before," she said. "And the music industry is going to benefit, and the movie industry is gonna benefit, and emerging artists, and independent artists, and people who just want to share their views. They're all going to benefit. This technology is here to stay."
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There you have it - the entire reason the RIAA is doing what it is doing - all summed up in one neat, tiny paragraph. Everyone will benefit from this...except the RIAA. This added level of interactivity will render the RIAA completely, utterly useless to all the record labels and put them out of business. plain and simple.
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1) Go ahead and buy your cds, but buy them used. No money from you will go to the RIAA, they've already been paid for that copy.
2) Use RIAA Radar ( http://www.magnetbox.com/riaa/ ) and buy lots of cds that aren't from RIAA companies.
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the bulk of artists on mp3.com aren't under the umbrella of the RIAA and the artists and their independant labels allow those songs to be put up there for copyright release. If they don't allow a realease but want them up there - they offer the streaming alternative only.
There are major label artists on mp3.com but they are sanctioned by their labels. A prime example would be the band Flickerstick. they had an mp3.com site before they got signed - once they were signed all the songs were removed and only 1-3 were put up as teasers to buy their album off Epic [note: I'm not saying I'm a flickerstick fan - it was just a good example =X ]
You are right tho - eventually the artists will not need the labels since they will have direct distribution once they pry those rights from the clutching, cold ,death grasp of the labels. The first to go however will be the RIAA since their job will be ousted by the the direct marketing that digital distribution will bring about. The second to go later on [imho much later on] will be the labels. Most bands still need the labels now to front studio time etc.
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No, I would suggest banning the catholic faith because it encourages groupthink, and provides a system for brainwashing millions of people with a set of social values that haven't changed in any substantitive way for the last 600 years.
well, maybe not ban the faith itself, but ban its believers from holding elected office, because they fail the test of rational thought.
Humpty Dumpty was pushed.
Overnet just keeps adding features, and no one else can keep up. The latest test version implements the HTTP protocol (and allows for any protocol to be plugged in easily, including other P2P ones), so network administrators will probably find it difficult to firewall.
http://www.overnet.com/
I should note that I only use it to get ISOs, but there are around a million users at any given time, so it's roughyl 1/3 of the size of Kazaa - not too bad for file sharing under the radar.
I thought Celebrity Boxing was on FOX.
Sounds like a good match, tho.
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Hey Limey, California was never British colonial territory.
"I didn't say I wanted them to destroy health care or education, I said they should spend MORE on it."
Yet, elsewhere, you approve of Gray Davis, who is destroying education and health care in California while spending more (by making sure that the money goes to union thugs and fat cats instead of to the services).
Davis is in favor of campaign finance reform, and yet he is quite well bribed. Just goes to show you that campaign finance reform does not stop bribery.
I mean, Hilary Rosen couldn't buy a clue with a thousand dollar bill...but is each of us kicks in a buck or two, maybe we can come up with enough scratch for her to at least make a down payment on one!
Hilary Rosen, equating trading music over email, or ICQ, or any other "one on one" to tape trading, despite the fact that the RIAA spent its time in previous decades railing against tapes and trying to stop people from selling technology to record tapes at home.
Who does the bitch think she's kidding? Adapt or perish, RIAA. I hope you perish.
RIAA sues people who are potential customers. People can likely not afford full amount they're being sued for, and end up declaring bancruptcy, or finding someway out. RIAA gets no money because people are now broke.... Profit?
Defender of Microsoft and Communism!!!
Have you considered that concept that hasn't changed in 600 years and still has at present *one billion members*, may actually be doing something right?
If it ain't broke...
I find it amazing in that a lot of the comments that I've read, people are bitching about Kazaa, yet it seems like they still use it.
You people do realize there are other P2P programs out there, right? So what if Kazaa has the biggest catalog? There are other P2P programs out there with a lot of people sharing. With some of them, you'll have an easier time finding what you want.
The people who use Kazaa but bitch about it all the time must be gluttons for punishment.
Troll? Troll? I point out in a concise rejoinder that unpopular thought is protected because it is unpopular, and I'm a troll? You, sir, are an idiot.
If Slashdot were chemistry it would look like this:Cadaverine
Here's something they can agree on:
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Force people to pay $15 for a crippled CD that installs spyware on your computer (or CD player?)!
Oh, wait
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oh its very good at brainwashing i wont argue with that. seems to have even worked on you. seen any spirits or aparitions of saints lately? are the voices in your head from "god" telling you nice things, or to go kill?
of course you can drown them out mwith pharms but drugs are the new religion of the USA so..
Cd's are 44,000 16bit samples a second giving 65,536 possible values (0-65,535). As sound is half positive and half negative the range is split in half. Increasing volume involves adding a positive number to the positive half and a negative number to the negative half. Peak limiting destroys information by cutting it off a the limit of the possible range (resulting in it being discarded). More samples are either 0 or 65,535. One positive side effect is that the MP3 rip will soud more like to origional (less info=less info discarded).
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Check the correct option. :) It is often argued by file-sharing advocates that P2P apps, such as KaZaA have a lot of non-infringing uses. Their opponents respond by claiming that despite that 90%+ of the traffic on KaZaA is illegal. But that certainly depends on the point of view.
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Most people here on Slashdot subconsciously assume that US laws define the picture, but that is not true. Copyright laws in different countries are different (that is probably one of the reasons for KaZaA's complex legal structure). You've heard about DeCSS case in Norway, you've heard about Denmark P2P users getting bills for downloaded files, but have you heard about the place where half of the Hollywood movies in in the public domain?
Here is the breaking news. The Ministry of Culture of Russian Federation has published a long list of movies that are now in the public domain (automated translation of the list> by Translate.Ru). Titles include Bambi, Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs, Godfather, 2001: A Space Odyssey, Casablanca, Citizen Kane, Lawrence of Arabia, Monty Python and hundreds of other brilliant films.
This is not the first time when opposition to copyright comes from Russia and probably not the last. Now that these movies officially belong to the public (in Russia), what implications, do you think, this has for the rest of the world and for file-sharing?
And hosting in Russia would probably cost just a few cents per movie uploaded abroad... And the best thing is that would really be 100% legal.
P.S. You may think this is too good to be true, but believe me, it is true. It seems that most movies more than 30 years old really are in public domain now (called obschestvennoe dostoyanie in Russian.
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"doing something right" and "detrimental to society" are not mutually exclusive concepts.
In his novel Snow CrashNeal Stephenson addressed the idea that a well-designed religion functions like a virus. The herpesvirus responsible for causing roseola in human infants infects at least 90% of the people on earth, so it's obviously doing something right, from a purely biological population-genetics perspective. That doesn't mean it's good for you to have, or that it's beneficial to society as a whole- or indeed that it's given human well-being any thought at all.
Large, powerful organizations of people reach a point in their lifecycle where the primary goal is to perpetuate their own existance and grow their power base. All previous goals are subsumed by the imperative of self-preservation. Once past this critical point, those organizations are magnets for individuals who want to harness the power of all of those people to drive their personal ambitions, whether or not they are in the best interests of the organization as a whole, or people in general. Christianity as a whole passed that point a long time ago, and there's no going back.
I'm not saying that there aren't good things about Christianity, because there are: charity is good. Doing unto others as you would have them do unto you is good. Blind obedience and unthinking support are not good.
I'm saying that (1) the potential for abuse is inherent in any organization with a large enough membership, (2) the potential for abuse is greater when the organization encourages its members to believe in dogma and oral tradition, and by extension, the leaders who propagate that oral tradition, over rational thought and the scientific method or the evidence in front of their own eyes, and (3) people who exhibit this willingness to disregard evidence that contradicts their system of beliefs --and can justify their decision because they're at the head of a political faction that believe what they've been told to believe because it's easier than it is to evaluate the evidence on its own merits-- are EXACTLY the sort of people that should be prohibited from holding any sort of elected office.
There is a ritual in most religions where people gather to repeat stories that illustrate the philosophies that the religion claims to teach its members. The theory is that if you repeat something enough times, people start to believe it, whether or not it's true.
To tie this in to the RIAA topic, the RIAA have clearly passed the point where all they care about is their own survival, rather than bringing new and better products to their customers, and they're not making rational decisions about how to move forward. This could be because Rosen was a charismatic leader with her own agenda, or because she was too committed to the oral tradition. Rosen's gospel is "HELP! THE PIRATES ARE STEALING SONGS! LARS IS STARVING! THE INTERNET IS FULL OF THEIVES! KAZAA IS EVIL!" and some people believe it... but they're probably the same people that believe that dinosaur fossils were put there by God to mess with our heads when we found them. The rest of us are tired of hearing it, and hope that people making decisions about this issue that will affect our lives will take the time to think about it for themselves instead of just reciting from the scripture the RIAA has been making up for the last 4 years.
Humpty Dumpty was pushed.
Neither Bush nor Gore won enough electoral college votes to win. Florida would have determined the winner, but it never got to finish the job, thanks to the Supreme Court's inaction.
They just said "Oops, time's up" and accepted the preliminary results, as if electing a President was a horseshoe & hand grenade toss. Those pre-liminary results were (yes they were!) rigged by Bush's brother and that cunt who worked for him.
Interesting to note that Sept 11 effectively ended all non-official recounts. Last I heard, the ballots were tagged for destruction. We'll never know who actually won, for real that is. In the end, the vote that determined the "victory" was the Supremes' vote. The rest was foreplay.
To address your odd view of my logic, that Clinton won because the court did nothing to stop it. You may have a point. It certainly would be true if somebody had actually brought a case to them and they did nothing about it. But nobody did.
Judging by the structural corruption, the inaccuracies, the inexcusable lack of orginization and checks & balances in the Greatest Democracy In History's electoral system...yes, it's conceivable that Clinton's margin of victory might have been built on hot air. Or, what is officially known as "built-in margin of error".
What a cavalier attitude we have towards the single most important right in a democracy, to have every person's vote counted equally. If not, why even hold elections?
In other words, if this company makes it so its users are completely anonymous, even to the company itself, and illegal activity is occurring on its network, its guilty. No "plausible deniability".
Is this a case of guilty until proven innocent? Dunno, but I, for one, won't be putting up any venture capital into this company...
The same way that we pay for TV content. By watching advertising and purchasing products from said advertisers.
Kazaa has been downloaded 240 million times. Lets assume that represents nearly half of all P2P downloads - call it 500 million. Lets conservatively each one results in an average of 20 infringing downloads. That equals 10 billion infringments. Statutory damages of $150,000 each means they can sue for $1500 trillion in damages.
Gross world product was about $45.9 trillion in 2001. The 30 year rate of growth was about 3.35% per year. It is then straight forward to calculate that the gross world product for the entire history of world up until today is approximately $1498 trillion.
The RIAA could sue for ownership of the entire planet PLUS an extra $2 trillion to boot.
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If you actually did read Confucius, wouldn't you be able to spell Confucius? I think you're just a poseur who's heard that Confucius happened to agree with your own beliefs, and use that to prop up your own unreasoned thought process.
==|8^) That's Abraham Lincoln.
*%-O That's a punk rocker.
OMG! Wau!
Hilary says in the interview that less music is getting out there for new bands.
HELLO?
By word of mouth in a few chat rooms, a good song can be all over the world and even playing in discos within minutes [with broadband].
What RIAA has been doing for decades is filling LP's (Long Playing Records as opposed to singles) with CRAP.
Do you want an example?
How about Led Zeppelin's song "Stairway to Heaven". You had to buy the who f**ken album for one song. RIAA, the music industry and all the profiting leaches who live of the work of artists can go and get f**ked.
How many artists have the music industry ruined. Well look at Steve Wright and The Easybeats. They were headed to challenge to Beatles, but were ripped off every step of the way till Wright decided to wait out his contract, but never made a come back.
Make us pay for the HIGH QUALITY songs, public venues, discoes, broadcasting and concerts. But why worry about the low quality sh!t people swap online, unless you want them to pay for stuff they DON'T WANT.
- Music piracy
- Movie piracy
- Software piracy
- Kiddie porn distribution
- Fraud (like pump-n-dump schemes)
And probably a million more things. Even stuff like Freenet, that is only realistic anonymous P2P program I've seen, doesn't claim to be that kind of anonymous. It's of the kind "Huh? You got that from me (sent that to me)? Well, it must be one of the other 49 nodes in my routing table that gave it to (requested it of) me, on your (their) request. I had no possibility to know what it was, and I didn't ask for it."Kjella
Live today, because you never know what tomorrow brings
And hosting in Russia would probably cost just a few cents per movie uploaded abroad.
And if you do, most courts argue that if you are doing business there, you can be sued there. So if you send a movie to the US, the US courts will try to bitchslap you. Of course, it all depends on how where the transaction take place. Do you buy it in Russia, and have it shipped to you by TCP/IP, or is that a "global" retail outlet. Would make an interesting case though...
Kjella
Live today, because you never know what tomorrow brings
Yes. I don't care if you are a bum on the street or the center of the universe. There is no excuse for abusing children.
I've never heard of any of these movies: behnnifku tokhrpiph, nyazcvha pokyh... What the hell are those?
They are also using some kind of broken font where some of the letters are funny and backwards...
funny to see the number of RIAA whiners and whingers who complain about falling sales.
Here is a hint sunshine, GET SOME PEOPLE WITH TALENT THAT CAN SING AND DANCE!
You know, when you actually send someone out into the "field" and actually FIND talent rather than create it based on a bunch of demographic BS collected through some third rate "research" company.
For me, I bearly own a record newer than the 1990s because that is when things REALLY started to go down hill. Five boy bands with less talent than me playing a guitar and so-called "music" which would make the hair stand up on the back of anyones neck.
Instead of blaming everyone for their tale of wowes, how about the RIAA members look at the problem, warts and all instead of taking the easy way out and blaming Joe Bloggs who wants to hear the latest song from What-she-ma-call it "Unplugged".
"The difference between pornography and erotica is the lighting" - Woody Allen
I remember hearing that Scott's visualization of the future LA was formed when Scott visited Hong Kong at one point.
Of course, I have nothing to back this up, but hey, what's a little conjecture here on /.?
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If I can own an idea, does that mean I can legally claim some portion of your soul once I tell you that idea? Or even if you just come up with it on your own? Heck, who needs contracts written in blood...
"What in the name of Fats Waller is that?"
"A four-foot prune."
Not sure which names are these. Can't find them there. ;)
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As for the font, it is a totally unbroken Cyrillic font.
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Well, if you host it in Russia and incorporate the company in Russia, I think Russian law will see it as a Russian company. Then when someone visits the site and pays by credit card for the movie, the transaction will be processed by local company, and the file will be sent from Russian server. So the transaction is definitely made in Russia (and taxed in Russia, though there are no direct taxes on Internet transactions, unless you pay with cash).
The MPAA will have an option to sue the company in Russia (unlikely to win), to sue the company in US (not likely to win - see Germany vs. Yahoo Nazi products case, and even if they win, so what?) or to try blocking Internet traffic from Russia and block VISA from processing these transactions (not bloody likely). Of course, if an employee of the company will visit the US, they can send FBI agents to get him in the airport, but it's easy to protect against this by not visiting the US.
BTW, RetroFilm, a company selling public domain movies, notes that some of the films (foreign ones) it is selling are only public domain inside the US (it's not clear whether they will still sell them abroad).
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Seed your machines with Mp3s labeled as current songs, but which actually contain public domain songs. This is turn will bring the wrath of Hillary to your doorstep, and if they sue, then you can clean up by dropping a big old wrongful lawsuit in their lap. They can't just sue you for haveing files labled with the song's title. It MUST contain the song, and not be a new variant, Comical, or otherwise new production of it. I beleive the the act of MP3ing it makes it a new and useful change and therefore carries its own new copyright.
Fuck 'em where they breath.
"If you're using KaAaA today, you're getting, in my view, a crappy quality song"
Consider for a second the implications of anyone trying to endorse a product, stating their product is crappy when in reality, you get an almost perfect duplicate ot the real thing.
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Australian Commonwealth copyright act
It looks like you could argue that a copy controlled disk is really software and then it is ok to make a backup and run error correction over it, etc. (p135-136 of pdf, section 110B, p 113-114 of the document)
And it looks like you can make a copy to preserve your copy of the recording for a library or archive, so long as you put a note saying why you made the copy and the date you made it. The act is a bit vague about what a library or archive is. So my copy is for my personal archive?
It also gets a bit vague about expiry dates, saying the fifty years dates from the original recording eg if something is re-released that re-release copyright dates from the original recording?
And it is about as clear as mud when it comes to you making a copy of an authorised sound recording. Eg you didn't make a recording yourself, you made a copy of a legit recording (which is not a recording of itself, ie you didn't get microphones out and record a performance..). So long as you don't try to trade on your copy, it looks like things should be ok. Maybe. But I don't want to be the one to find out.
I think you'd have a really good chance at the copy-control things being software not sound recordings...
-- it must be true, it's on the internet.
http://www.copyright.com.au/CopyrightAct.pdf
-- it must be true, it's on the internet.