iPhone 'Surfing' On AT&T Network Isn't Fast, Jobs Concedes
By NICK WINGFIELD and AMOL SHARMA
June 29, 2007; Page B4
[nowides]
In an interview on the eve of the iPhone launch, Apple Inc. CEO Steve Jobs and AT&T Inc. CEO and Chairman Randall Stephenson addressed concerns that the device will have slow Internet access on AT&T's cellular network.
Mr. Jobs acknowledged that the company's new iPhone won't surf the Internet as fast as he would like on the network, called "Edge," but added that the device's ability to connect to Wi-Fi hotspots would give consumers a speedier alternative for Web browsing. For his part, Mr. Stephenson said the iPhone represents a broader push by AT&T into Wi-Fi services, including, potentially, mobile Internet calling. The two men also discussed the iPod's "halo effect" and reflected on the origins of their corporate partnership.
The iPhone's first real chance to prove itself will begin Friday at 6 p.m., when the public is finally able to get its hands on the product. If it's successful, the product -- a cellphone combined with entertainment and Internet functions, all of them controlled by finger taps on a touch-sensitive screen -- could force changes across the wireless industry, forcing cellphone makers to respond with new twists in their own hardware. Already, eager fans are lining up at AT&T and Apple stores around the country to buy the device
Excerpts from the interview follow:
* * *
WSJ: Steve, on the eve of the iPhone launch, we wonder if you might compare it to others you've been involved in -- the introduction of the Macintosh, for instance -- both in terms of the consumer anticipation and your own feelings about the impact the product will have in the market?
[Steve Jobs]
Steve Jobs: One of the things we feel is this is the biggest breakthrough in user interfaces in 23 years. Since the Mac in 1984 brought us the mouse and bit map displays and folders and icons, there really hasn't been much except for the evolution of that in the last 23 years. This is a revolutionary user interface [on the iPhone] -- multi-touch, direct action. It's pretty remarkable. I'm very excited.
I remember the week before we introduced the Mac. We knew every computer would work this way once we had the Mac. You couldn't talk about 'If,' you could debate about 'When.' That's how I feel about this. I feel this is the direction mobile devices are going to have to go. I don't think it's a matter of if, it's a matter of when. The first and most breakthrough one of them is going to be on the market tomorrow.
WSJ: One of the interesting things for people about the iPhone is the bundling of data and voice into one service plan. We've talked to some other smartphone manufacturers in the last couple days who say that would be great if that were extended to other devices because it seems like it would ensure that out-of-the-box people aren't getting an experience where they're pressing a button and something doesn't work. Is that something that you are looking at extending to other phones in the AT&T lineup over time?
Randall Stephenson: It depends on the handset itself. With this particular device, to not have an inclusive data package with a voice package would be almost irrelevant, right? This is a data and a voice product. It's nonsensical to sell a rate plan separate. As you see devices migrate towards this type of device, I fully expect you'll see rate plans migrate towards that as well.
WSJ: What do you both envision being added over time to the iPhone, in terms of access to ringtones through Cingular's (now rebranded AT&T) platform and maybe through some other manner, like turning your iTunes songs into ringtones?
Mr. Jobs: As you may know, iTunes is now the number three distributor of music in the U.S., ahead of Amazon and Target and behind Best Buy and Wal-Mart, and obviously the largest online distributor of
My personal opinion on the subject is that death penalty should be reserved to cruel murders, and rapes if you have a 100% certitude on the culpability, like several eye witnesses who do not know each other,... etc
Of course you can never be sure that the cops/scientists/witnesses did not make a mistake nor were manipulated so it would be applied very rarely...
2. Oceanographer: Oceanographers' jobs are "getting harder and harder every year," said Ward. Faced with the predictions that by 2048 seafood will no longer exist, coral reefs will vanish in the next decade and that an ever expanding mass of garbage the size of Texas in the North Pacific has caused irreparable damage to the world's water supply, these scientists are charged not only with protecting the health of the ocean, but also with turning the prognosis around.
"Oceanographers are really tasked with just analyzing sad facts on deoxygenating oceans, increased pollution, whole masses of garbage swirling in the middle of the ocean. What it really is, is a testament to how devoted and loyal a bunch of people they are.
"They're working extremely hard on a very difficult problem, but they also are very optimistic people. They believe that we can turn it around and the ocean is a very dynamic living environment and they feel that with the proper care, we can turn it around, but so far that has not been the case," said Ward.
No and they will never do, it is like saying that one of your non-IT colleague is a dumbass because he broke something on his comp: you cannot expect him to know about such things... unfortunately not.
On the other side getting it via bittorrent is not a legal way to obtain the game. It is like saying that it is useless to fight against drugs by increasing the budget for border police because drug dealers always find some way to import drugs, it is partially true but it is still better than nothing.
Um... not really... a logarithmic scale is preferable to show exponential results.
Imagine that the Y axis is on a logarithmic scale, you will see small increases at the beginning then bigger increases. Like 1 2 5 10 25 100 1000 10000... etc, the number of hits grows exponentially and if you showed them on the appropriate logarithmic scale (versus time) you would see more or less a straight line, while on a normal scale you would see an exponential-type function...
"China also was investing in electronic countermeasures and defenses against electronic attack, including infrared decoys, angle reflectors and false-target generators, it said."
The article said that in addition of all of this, they also invested in ECMs and general defenses against electronic attacks.
I see your point, but you could also consider that the infrared targetting systems are electronic also... (chaffs are considered as ECMs because they are a counter for electronic targetting systems)
Hansel: "We got 30 years of files right here in this computer that are gonna bring you down! "
Matilda: "Oh, no."
Hansel: "Down! (He smashes the computer) Where did all the files go?"
They have to test that it will not break anything for a public beta, it would suck to install some software and see that some other software is not working anymore although I agree that the risk is quite limited for this kind of application since it is not likely to break other applications or drivers =/
You may mod me as a flamebait but overall I am very happy personally with Windows XP, I had no big crash after patching, not had much to tweak to get an usable system and Visual Studio 2005 is quite nice once you install some plugins... (of course I would prefer the editor to be emacs but it is good enough to be used).
From an user point of view, I am quite impressed by their efforts over the last year to improve their corporate image...
Heh, I was alit bit surprised when I read your post to see someone who finally admitted that it could have an impact. Whenever such a topic arises on/., most peeps deny the fact that it could have any effect.
I am alit bit like you, I do not think it has a great effect compared to other factors such as poor-rich gap, unemployment, police budget,... etc, but I do not want to claim that it has no effect until a study is done.
After thinking about it, I would tend to think that it has a slight effect on some people if you would spend the whole day playing. You can imagine that living in country in war such as Iraq must have an effect on people, well someone who has few friends or no social life could probably affected by violent video games. TV is already very effective for propaganda, why video games would not have such effects, especially when you have an "active role" when playing a videogame (unlike when you are playing chess, I doubt that you identify to this pawn that you are moving)...
If you do this, you would need to see also if the games are the cause of the accidents. Maybe, people who like to drive fast also play more racing video games. Henceforth, playing video games is maybe only correlated to the probability of causing an accident but not a reason.
It is a cultural problem, you are not gonna solve anything by putting such laws, you can put all the stickers you want but education comes from your parents, their culture and the culture you are living in. That is why you do not see all of these over here in Europe, not because we put stickers "adult" or "PA" on games boxes.
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He was lost in the must of posts ...
You can get the next laws and amendment for Massachusetts here
Apple should force users to enter some iPhoneID to be able to post in the technical problems section to avoid spams and false information.
But did you consider also the fact that not all the people who have problems will log on to Apple forums to post or vote in the poll ?
(in iPhone-user-friendly plain-text.)
iPhone 'Surfing' On AT&T Network Isn't Fast, Jobs Concedes By NICK WINGFIELD and AMOL SHARMA June 29, 2007; Page B4 [nowides]
In an interview on the eve of the iPhone launch, Apple Inc. CEO Steve Jobs and AT&T Inc. CEO and Chairman Randall Stephenson addressed concerns that the device will have slow Internet access on AT&T's cellular network.
Mr. Jobs acknowledged that the company's new iPhone won't surf the Internet as fast as he would like on the network, called "Edge," but added that the device's ability to connect to Wi-Fi hotspots would give consumers a speedier alternative for Web browsing. For his part, Mr. Stephenson said the iPhone represents a broader push by AT&T into Wi-Fi services, including, potentially, mobile Internet calling. The two men also discussed the iPod's "halo effect" and reflected on the origins of their corporate partnership.
The iPhone's first real chance to prove itself will begin Friday at 6 p.m., when the public is finally able to get its hands on the product. If it's successful, the product -- a cellphone combined with entertainment and Internet functions, all of them controlled by finger taps on a touch-sensitive screen -- could force changes across the wireless industry, forcing cellphone makers to respond with new twists in their own hardware. Already, eager fans are lining up at AT&T and Apple stores around the country to buy the device
Excerpts from the interview follow:
* * *
WSJ: Steve, on the eve of the iPhone launch, we wonder if you might compare it to others you've been involved in -- the introduction of the Macintosh, for instance -- both in terms of the consumer anticipation and your own feelings about the impact the product will have in the market?
[Steve Jobs]
Steve Jobs: One of the things we feel is this is the biggest breakthrough in user interfaces in 23 years. Since the Mac in 1984 brought us the mouse and bit map displays and folders and icons, there really hasn't been much except for the evolution of that in the last 23 years. This is a revolutionary user interface [on the iPhone] -- multi-touch, direct action. It's pretty remarkable. I'm very excited.
I remember the week before we introduced the Mac. We knew every computer would work this way once we had the Mac. You couldn't talk about 'If,' you could debate about 'When.' That's how I feel about this. I feel this is the direction mobile devices are going to have to go. I don't think it's a matter of if, it's a matter of when. The first and most breakthrough one of them is going to be on the market tomorrow.
WSJ: One of the interesting things for people about the iPhone is the bundling of data and voice into one service plan. We've talked to some other smartphone manufacturers in the last couple days who say that would be great if that were extended to other devices because it seems like it would ensure that out-of-the-box people aren't getting an experience where they're pressing a button and something doesn't work. Is that something that you are looking at extending to other phones in the AT&T lineup over time?
Randall Stephenson: It depends on the handset itself. With this particular device, to not have an inclusive data package with a voice package would be almost irrelevant, right? This is a data and a voice product. It's nonsensical to sell a rate plan separate. As you see devices migrate towards this type of device, I fully expect you'll see rate plans migrate towards that as well.
WSJ: What do you both envision being added over time to the iPhone, in terms of access to ringtones through Cingular's (now rebranded AT&T) platform and maybe through some other manner, like turning your iTunes songs into ringtones?
Mr. Jobs: As you may know, iTunes is now the number three distributor of music in the U.S., ahead of Amazon and Target and behind Best Buy and Wal-Mart, and obviously the largest online distributor of
My personal opinion on the subject is that death penalty should be reserved to cruel murders, and rapes if you have a 100% certitude on the culpability, like several eye witnesses who do not know each other, ... etc
...
Of course you can never be sure that the cops/scientists/witnesses did not make a mistake nor were manipulated so it would be applied very rarely
So they finally found them ... at last ...
From http://abcnews.go.com/WN/Technology/Story?id=32909 63&page=4
2. Oceanographer: Oceanographers' jobs are "getting harder and harder every year," said Ward. Faced with the predictions that by 2048 seafood will no longer exist, coral reefs will vanish in the next decade and that an ever expanding mass of garbage the size of Texas in the North Pacific has caused irreparable damage to the world's water supply, these scientists are charged not only with protecting the health of the ocean, but also with turning the prognosis around.
"Oceanographers are really tasked with just analyzing sad facts on deoxygenating oceans, increased pollution, whole masses of garbage swirling in the middle of the ocean. What it really is, is a testament to how devoted and loyal a bunch of people they are.
"They're working extremely hard on a very difficult problem, but they also are very optimistic people. They believe that we can turn it around and the ocean is a very dynamic living environment and they feel that with the proper care, we can turn it around, but so far that has not been the case," said Ward.
I would tend to agree with you but this case could be considered as cyber-terrorism, isn't it ?
Do you want to install the interface studies driver ?
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*WTF, drivers to read a study ???* *Clicking*
Are you really sure ?
[Cancel] [Allow]
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Reaaaaaaaally ?
[Cancel] [Allow]
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I'm not kidding, I am gonna replace the old drivers with the new ones !!!
[Cancel] [Allow]
*Clicking*
*Loading the study about how Vista users save time with the new interface*
Aren't you scared of making your kid a skeptical low-EQ pessimist person ?
No and they will never do, it is like saying that one of your non-IT colleague is a dumbass because he broke something on his comp: you cannot expect him to know about such things ... unfortunately not.
On the other side getting it via bittorrent is not a legal way to obtain the game. It is like saying that it is useless to fight against drugs by increasing the budget for border police because drug dealers always find some way to import drugs, it is partially true but it is still better than nothing.
Can you provide a link to the study, I have often seen this quote, but never found a reliable source which shows the result of the study.
Are you speaking about a certain religious country waging war at the moment ?
- GPLv3
- Bill Gates
- RIAA
- MPAA
- Ubuntu
- Apple
(delete the choices which do not fit here), so I preferred to vote for this uninteresting story.Um ... not really ... a logarithmic scale is preferable to show exponential results.
... etc, the number of hits grows exponentially and if you showed them on the appropriate logarithmic scale (versus time) you would see more or less a straight line, while on a normal scale you would see an exponential-type function ...
Imagine that the Y axis is on a logarithmic scale, you will see small increases at the beginning then bigger increases. Like 1 2 5 10 25 100 1000 10000
The article said that in addition of all of this, they also invested in ECMs and general defenses against electronic attacks.
I see your point, but you could also consider that the infrared targetting systems are electronic also
Maybe not directly, we will just be killed by the tactical/strategic missiles, after they pirated our defense systems.
Hansel: "We got 30 years of files right here in this computer that are gonna bring you down! "
Matilda: "Oh, no."
Hansel: "Down! (He smashes the computer) Where did all the files go?"
That's easy since it would be too slow to store it in real-time on a hard drive, store it in another RAM ... problem solved !
They have to test that it will not break anything for a public beta, it would suck to install some software and see that some other software is not working anymore although I agree that the risk is quite limited for this kind of application since it is not likely to break other applications or drivers =/
/agree
... (of course I would prefer the editor to be emacs but it is good enough to be used).
...
You may mod me as a flamebait but overall I am very happy personally with Windows XP, I had no big crash after patching, not had much to tweak to get an usable system and Visual Studio 2005 is quite nice once you install some plugins
From an user point of view, I am quite impressed by their efforts over the last year to improve their corporate image
Heh, I was alit bit surprised when I read your post to see someone who finally admitted that it could have an impact. Whenever such a topic arises on /., most peeps deny the fact that it could have any effect.
... etc, but I do not want to claim that it has no effect until a study is done.
...
I am alit bit like you, I do not think it has a great effect compared to other factors such as poor-rich gap, unemployment, police budget,
After thinking about it, I would tend to think that it has a slight effect on some people if you would spend the whole day playing. You can imagine that living in country in war such as Iraq must have an effect on people, well someone who has few friends or no social life could probably affected by violent video games. TV is already very effective for propaganda, why video games would not have such effects, especially when you have an "active role" when playing a videogame (unlike when you are playing chess, I doubt that you identify to this pawn that you are moving)
Is it me or the numbers on this webpage are extremely low ...
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Only 7.9 billions dollar sales for the US ? Heck, there are even people having more money than that in this world
If you do this, you would need to see also if the games are the cause of the accidents. Maybe, people who like to drive fast also play more racing video games. Henceforth, playing video games is maybe only correlated to the probability of causing an accident but not a reason.
It is a cultural problem, you are not gonna solve anything by putting such laws, you can put all the stickers you want but education comes from your parents, their culture and the culture you are living in. That is why you do not see all of these over here in Europe, not because we put stickers "adult" or "PA" on games boxes.