It would be nice to see it not only bringing back the technical advancements that once were available but to also see it bringing some new features. BeOS (Haiku in this case) is a system which still enjoys greater market flexibility in setting directions, it has still little legacy to prohibit certain advancements. It would be nice some mistakes of the past, done by others, revert as lessons for the future of Haiku
The fact that Open Source software would also have much higher scores then propietary, closed source software goes without saying.
Did you read this?
And even if the operating system or platform is opensource, that doesn't mean that the benchmark will be. He didn't mention any benchmark but actually referred to a platform. So how could you have any idea of how biased the benchmark software is/isn't?
It's the third laptop I buy, and the 10th different model I use. It was the first that I felt I wasn't wasting my money and the makes me feel it was a good investment. All others were pure disapointments.
should read:
It's the third laptop I buy, and the 10th different model I use. It was the first that I felt it wasn't a complete waste of money and that makes me feel it was a good investment. All others were pure disapointments.
and the prices were in Euros.
As an addition: Standard warranty is 3 years, parts are available for more 5 years and service is impecable even in Portugal. When I needed to replace the laptop cover because of a nasty scratch, the parts were available next day, replacement was done in the same day on-site.
Honestly, the best laptop I've have worked with so far is the Fujitsu Siemens Celsius H250, from FSC line of professional computers.
Very tough, excelent options for costumization, excelent at work, not too heavy, excelent stability
Mine is as follows:
Core 2 Duo T7300 (option can go from T7100 to T7700) 4GB RAM (option from 1G to 8G) 410GB Hard drive (160+250, upgrading to 250+320 in a few weeks) (option from 120G) 3.5G Sierra MC8780 module (7.2Mbps) (option) Intel Gigabit (series) Intel Wireless 4965AGN (option) 1680x1050 resolution (option up to 1920x1200) NVidia Quadro FX570 256MB (series) Touchpad + Trackpoint (series) Fingerprint reader (option) Smartcard reader (option) Removable air filter (series) Docking station (option) 56K Modem (option) TPM chip (option) Webcam (option) Firewire (series)
It has some space for improvement like on the keyboard (the Home and End keys are only accessible with the Function key which reduces productivity - I use all the editing keys - which forced me remap the keyboard to something more custom to have those keys accessible)
It's the third laptop I buy, and the 10th different model I use. It was the first that I felt I wasn't wasting my money and the makes me feel it was a good investment. All others were pure disapointments.
It was a bit expensive (2190 - and this was a special price, original price is 3600) but it was worth it.
I used to have a Compaq... that ended up in court of law because after one repair within the warranty, the laptop came back even worse and they refused to replace it for a new one or to give the money back (to which they are obliged to under Portuguese law). It had a problem with the power system (when on battery, the laptop would, by itself, turn ON randomly). Came back all dirty (the technician that repaired it was eating bread with butter at the time he repaired it, you could tell), the touchpad came back dead, the OS came back with a virus, the battery came back completely dead. When I complained to Compaq, they insisted on a second repair. Under Portuguese law, they have to forcibly give back the money or give me a new machine a machine, if it is my wish. They refused it and when I threatened them with court, they killed my machine as soon as I connected to the internet(completely hardware bricked, it wouldn't turn on in any possible way) using their remote assistance software that runned on port 2301, if I'm not mistaken (I was using a fresh install from the recovery CD, at the time that happened, I was downloading patches). It ended up in court. The case ended when they came asking for a settlement.
If a company would keep the replaced parts in Portugal, it would be in a lot of trouble. The owner/attending employee would either be hospitalized or the company would end up in court. Or both.
In Portuguese, the word for "members" is the same as the word for "limbs", "membros" for both meanings. Doesn't a object have members as a person have limbs?
He's saying having someone performing you oral sex causes one to feel like they're a supernova exploding in a vast empty space. Don't you know the feeling?
Actually I'm Portuguese. Please don't call me french. Or spanish. We take it personally.
People here actually do write in the complaints book even though merchants try to dissuade us and sometimes threanten us. I have made two complaints myself in the past 2 months. I have also sued - successfully - Compaq (a few years ago). My Mother has almost sued the local Toyota representative and our cable ISP (and backed off because they solved our problems when they got threatened). So we do take a stand. The complaints books here are inspected periodically by a national authority (which varies according to the business type) and companies are actually fined, even though the fine may or may not be anything significant.
In the laptops my Mom bought there was no "Trial version inside" but there were actually "full version inside" notices. I have no reason to be backslapping Sony, I have no personal grudge against the company, but it really did look like to me that Sony is in fact been showing some products. Maybe it's a phase the company is going through, maybe it's just an opinion biased by the multiple news about it (even though I had my own personal/familiar experience with Sony recently). Just shared my point of view and people either agree or disagree.
Fine, just trying to clear the air with a minor capitulation on my part, I can see the effort was unappreciated.
Not to underappreciate your effort, but that was just a note/remark that in the future, you should try to refrain from making those comments instead of appologising for them. My policy is to avoid having to appologise, instead of misbehaving and appologising.
"2) As I said later, freefall not in a size/market point of view, but from a credibility point of view."
Umm, yeah, and as I said, the average person doesn't give a crap. The rootkit stuff either didn't affect them personally, or they didn't understand what it was, or they didn't care. Either way they've forgotten by now.
You're not european, are you? People here DO care a lot about the credibility of a company. Not only the geeks.
"3) Yes, people do care. Wouldn't you care if you'd been mislead? "Here is your software!" "Gee, thanks! Erm... where's the software?" "It's not!" "No software?" "No. Just an empty box." "Ok, I don't care.""
What are you referring to there? I'm a geek and even I have no idea.
Sony has been annoucing in some laptops included software that never was there. My Mom, a completely NON-Geek person has begun legal action about the laptops she bought for my brothers. As you see, my Mother does care. My Mother told about this to my Family, her friends and co-workers. Some were about to buy Sony laptops before knowing. None of them bought after knowing.
1) Your caffeine levels are no excuse.
2) As I said later, freefall not in a size/market point of view, but from a credibility point of view.
3) Yes, people do care. Wouldn't you care if you'd been mislead?
"Here is your software!"
"Gee, thanks! Erm... where's the software?"
"It's not!"
"No software?"
"No. Just an empty box."
"Ok, I don't care."
4) People do care about their privacy.
5) You continue to throw in the PS3 sales as an argument but it has nothing to do with the discussion.
6) Yes, lots of other companies do bad things in moral terms but there is one big difference between bad in moral terms and bad in business terms. They are not forcibly related.
Yes they are everywhere, you zealot idiot. But that just mean they are STILL there, for now. Many big companies have come and gone. But I wasn't talking about that.
I used to love Sony products. When I mentioned the downfall, I meant about quality and consumer relations. It is too big of a company to just disappear, but it is quickly loosing credibility within the consumer market from the recent events that casted a shadow upon it.
PS3 outselling xBox or Wii... don't know whether it is true or not but who cares? What's that got to do with this? What matters is that Sony recently is like oh, let's say, explosive batteries, or installing rootkits on the client machines, or purposedly misleading costumers and including false statements in the laptop packages and announcements relating to the software included with them. That is downright asking for a lawsuit and undermining its own credibility.
My Mom has bought a Vaio to my brother and regretted it to the point of being in the process of engaging a lawsuit agains Sony. It has already written a letter to Sony Japan.
Is it just me or is Sony losing it? It seems that Sony has been making a lot of really bad mistakes and it is heading freefall. On the way to becoming a shadow of the former self?
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I work at Microsoft. How come I knew this first from /.?</irony>
Let the "you must be new here" comments begin.
No, but this will: http://www.thinkgeek.com/caffeine/candy/6b77/
What? No one yet wrote a comment about how In soviet russia cables untangle you?
It would be nice to see it not only bringing back the technical advancements that once were available but to also see it bringing some new features. BeOS (Haiku in this case) is a system which still enjoys greater market flexibility in setting directions, it has still little legacy to prohibit certain advancements. It would be nice some mistakes of the past, done by others, revert as lessons for the future of Haiku
Did it all fit onto a single CD?? :O
The fact that Open Source software would also have much higher scores then propietary, closed source software goes without saying.
Did you read this?
And even if the operating system or platform is opensource, that doesn't mean that the benchmark will be. He didn't mention any benchmark but actually referred to a platform. So how could you have any idea of how biased the benchmark software is/isn't?
oh it seems like a joke to you? then who wrote it really must have a very refined sense of irony...
aren't you being just a little bit... oh, I dunno... offtopic?
Either I misunderstood you, or I don't see how the license can be a metric of performance or accuracy.
It's the third laptop I buy, and the 10th different model I use. It was the first that I felt I wasn't wasting my money and the makes me feel it was a good investment. All others were pure disapointments.
should read:
It's the third laptop I buy, and the 10th different model I use. It was the first that I felt it wasn't a complete waste of money and that makes me feel it was a good investment. All others were pure disapointments.
and the prices were in Euros. As an addition: Standard warranty is 3 years, parts are available for more 5 years and service is impecable even in Portugal. When I needed to replace the laptop cover because of a nasty scratch, the parts were available next day, replacement was done in the same day on-site.
Honestly, the best laptop I've have worked with so far is the Fujitsu Siemens Celsius H250, from FSC line of professional computers.
Very tough, excelent options for costumization, excelent at work, not too heavy, excelent stability
Mine is as follows:
Core 2 Duo T7300 (option can go from T7100 to T7700)
4GB RAM (option from 1G to 8G)
410GB Hard drive (160+250, upgrading to 250+320 in a few weeks) (option from 120G)
3.5G Sierra MC8780 module (7.2Mbps) (option)
Intel Gigabit (series)
Intel Wireless 4965AGN (option)
1680x1050 resolution (option up to 1920x1200)
NVidia Quadro FX570 256MB (series)
Touchpad + Trackpoint (series)
Fingerprint reader (option)
Smartcard reader (option)
Removable air filter (series)
Docking station (option)
56K Modem (option)
TPM chip (option)
Webcam (option)
Firewire (series)
It has some space for improvement like on the keyboard (the Home and End keys are only accessible with the Function key which reduces productivity - I use all the editing keys - which forced me remap the keyboard to something more custom to have those keys accessible)
It's the third laptop I buy, and the 10th different model I use. It was the first that I felt I wasn't wasting my money and the makes me feel it was a good investment. All others were pure disapointments.
It was a bit expensive (2190 - and this was a special price, original price is 3600) but it was worth it.
I used to have a Compaq... that ended up in court of law because after one repair within the warranty, the laptop came back even worse and they refused to replace it for a new one or to give the money back (to which they are obliged to under Portuguese law).
It had a problem with the power system (when on battery, the laptop would, by itself, turn ON randomly). Came back all dirty (the technician that repaired it was eating bread with butter at the time he repaired it, you could tell), the touchpad came back dead, the OS came back with a virus, the battery came back completely dead. When I complained to Compaq, they insisted on a second repair. Under Portuguese law, they have to forcibly give back the money or give me a new machine a machine, if it is my wish. They refused it and when I threatened them with court, they killed my machine as soon as I connected to the internet(completely hardware bricked, it wouldn't turn on in any possible way) using their remote assistance software that runned on port 2301, if I'm not mistaken (I was using a fresh install from the recovery CD, at the time that happened, I was downloading patches).
It ended up in court. The case ended when they came asking for a settlement.
US, being as (un)concerned with environment as it is, probably will see it.
EU countries will not, because it has been determined the car doesn't follow our environment protection laws.
and how much IP % is infringed upon?
which IP is the preferred target to suffer?
If a company would keep the replaced parts in Portugal, it would be in a lot of trouble. The owner/attending employee would either be hospitalized or the company would end up in court. Or both.
In Portuguese, the word for "members" is the same as the word for "limbs", "membros" for both meanings. Doesn't a object have members as a person have limbs?
He's saying having someone performing you oral sex causes one to feel like they're a supernova exploding in a vast empty space. Don't you know the feeling?
Conclusion: you're gay.
It's gonna be the "Multii-Mote"
it could come in handy in the battlefield of tech warfare *rolls eyes*
No, Palladium, really... you'll figure it out eventually...
Actually I'm Portuguese. Please don't call me french. Or spanish. We take it personally.
People here actually do write in the complaints book even though merchants try to dissuade us and sometimes threanten us. I have made two complaints myself in the past 2 months. I have also sued - successfully - Compaq (a few years ago). My Mother has almost sued the local Toyota representative and our cable ISP (and backed off because they solved our problems when they got threatened). So we do take a stand. The complaints books here are inspected periodically by a national authority (which varies according to the business type) and companies are actually fined, even though the fine may or may not be anything significant.
In the laptops my Mom bought there was no "Trial version inside" but there were actually "full version inside" notices. I have no reason to be backslapping Sony, I have no personal grudge against the company, but it really did look like to me that Sony is in fact been showing some products. Maybe it's a phase the company is going through, maybe it's just an opinion biased by the multiple news about it (even though I had my own personal/familiar experience with Sony recently). Just shared my point of view and people either agree or disagree.
"1) Your caffeine levels are no excuse."
Fine, just trying to clear the air with a minor capitulation on my part, I can see the effort was unappreciated.
Not to underappreciate your effort, but that was just a note/remark that in the future, you should try to refrain from making those comments instead of appologising for them. My policy is to avoid having to appologise, instead of misbehaving and appologising.
"2) As I said later, freefall not in a size/market point of view, but from a credibility point of view."
Umm, yeah, and as I said, the average person doesn't give a crap. The rootkit stuff either didn't affect them personally, or they didn't understand what it was, or they didn't care. Either way they've forgotten by now.
You're not european, are you? People here DO care a lot about the credibility of a company. Not only the geeks.
"3) Yes, people do care. Wouldn't you care if you'd been mislead? "Here is your software!" "Gee, thanks! Erm... where's the software?" "It's not!" "No software?" "No. Just an empty box." "Ok, I don't care.""
What are you referring to there? I'm a geek and even I have no idea.
Sony has been annoucing in some laptops included software that never was there. My Mom, a completely NON-Geek person has begun legal action about the laptops she bought for my brothers. As you see, my Mother does care. My Mother told about this to my Family, her friends and co-workers. Some were about to buy Sony laptops before knowing. None of them bought after knowing.
1) Your caffeine levels are no excuse. 2) As I said later, freefall not in a size/market point of view, but from a credibility point of view. 3) Yes, people do care. Wouldn't you care if you'd been mislead? "Here is your software!" "Gee, thanks! Erm... where's the software?" "It's not!" "No software?" "No. Just an empty box." "Ok, I don't care." 4) People do care about their privacy. 5) You continue to throw in the PS3 sales as an argument but it has nothing to do with the discussion. 6) Yes, lots of other companies do bad things in moral terms but there is one big difference between bad in moral terms and bad in business terms. They are not forcibly related.
Yes they are everywhere, you zealot idiot. But that just mean they are STILL there, for now. Many big companies have come and gone. But I wasn't talking about that.
I used to love Sony products. When I mentioned the downfall, I meant about quality and consumer relations. It is too big of a company to just disappear, but it is quickly loosing credibility within the consumer market from the recent events that casted a shadow upon it.
PS3 outselling xBox or Wii... don't know whether it is true or not but who cares? What's that got to do with this? What matters is that Sony recently is like oh, let's say, explosive batteries, or installing rootkits on the client machines, or purposedly misleading costumers and including false statements in the laptop packages and announcements relating to the software included with them. That is downright asking for a lawsuit and undermining its own credibility.
My Mom has bought a Vaio to my brother and regretted it to the point of being in the process of engaging a lawsuit agains Sony. It has already written a letter to Sony Japan.
And Microsoft will become someone's palladium sponsor
Is it just me or is Sony losing it? It seems that Sony has been making a lot of really bad mistakes and it is heading freefall. On the way to becoming a shadow of the former self?