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How self-important!
They don't announce the release date in the gaming press until it is close. This was an announcement to stockholders and analysts. You sought out what is not intended for you.
They have to predict a release date. This is a major product for a publicly traded company. The stockholders are entitled to know what to expect for the near future. It is responsible to give the quarter a product is expected to ship as well as when a product's shipping slips to another quarter. Predicting an exact date can make one look foolish, but that was never the case with this title.
C'mon dagarath, I know you could have thought of that if you tried.
Fundamental civil rights change?
We should start a collection to buy this man some perspective.
Artists needing to be freed? The record labels don't use threats of violence to get the artists to sign up, only dollar signs. I have no pity for those who signed a contract. They are adults and made that decision for themselves. Its only the artists who become rediculously successful that seek to break them.
Clearly sir, you are the one who does not know of what we are discussing.
No, everyone is not AUTOMATICALLY scaled to the lowest PC's LOD. That is not what I am claiming. If you had ever played in a gaming league, however, you would know that this is what happens. Everyone trys to turn off all the settings. I wouldn't have had to go into more detail, but you are clearly ignorant of this side of gaming.
What you IMAGINE will happen is all well and good, but I live in reality. I appreciate the quality of gameplay being locked at a certain level (and yes, graphics do enhance gameplay when there are trees to hide behind and walls that have color to blend in with, etc) by the publisher. When an engine can be scaled back this far, it will be. Period. When one person turns of trees and textured walls, EVERYONE will to stay competitive.
Your ignorance of this situation astounds me. Perhaps you are the type of guy who goes to a PC club to play Counter-strike and stab someone and calls himself an informed gamer. Good day.
EA is the biggest publisher so they make the largest political contributions and are therefore so far exempt from the probe. Check.
All other publishers are named or have already been named for this investigation into their accounting practices, even though the practice is standard throughout the industry. Check.
The watchdogs state in the article that they understand the current practice and don't see much wrong with it but they suspect the SEC will require a change. Check.
The new rules are likely to hurt bubble publishers such as Midway and Acclaim and not trouble the big boys EA, Activision and Take-Two who could more easily transition to deal with the new rules. This would also logically exclude all foreign publishers without a US trading stock. Check.
So, the big dogs win and the small fish lose. Stock prices fall sharply throughout the industry for a time, potentially breaking the smaller houses entirely. All of this, despite the fact that noone has really complained that they lost their retirement because of these stocks like we saw with Enron, when in fact the entertainment software industry has been stable to strong throughout the downturn. Check.
Why is it the most ignorant posts get modded funny?
Having GONE to E3 I saw Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 1 running on the N-gage. Not some watered down thing. THE ORIGINAL in its 3D glory. This device is not underpowered for the market. Thats like saying the PlayStation was underpowered to compete with the SNES, because that is what we are comparing here for handhelds.
Your note about the Dreamcast does win the obvious award, but its irrelevent to the situation.
I'm not going to buy an N-Gage because I don't play handheld games, but your post is just not factually correct.
Wow, the parent got modded both insightful AND flamebait. I guess I'll have to consider that the highest possible compliment meaning I captured the discussion perfectly and two people had nothing to add other than completely agree and completely disagree.
The flamebait is off base because I provided a concrete example of both the negative aspect of allowing slow PCs to continue on as well as a solution another game made.
If you think I am paranoid, just watch the difference between an RtCW competition (no tight PB controls) and an ET competition (very tight PB controls). The RtCW game will look like a field of grey with axis and allies running around, but hey its got a low min spec!
IE people with slow computers will force the whole community to play to the lowest common denominator. They will have the settings so low that fog and grass and trees and rain and whatever else will disappear, leaving anyone with a system powerful enough to handle these things at a disadvantage. Thanks valve. I wish you would leave some of these old PC's behind. It is 2003 already.
Look at what they did with Enemy Territory. It includes punkbuster and through pb settings an admin can limit how much a client can play with their cvars and still be allowed on that server. This makes sure everyone sees the same rain and fog and trees and grass. If you were a serious gamer you wouldn't be rocking a PII 800.
Valve has just basically invited (and really forced) everyone to stay in Half-life 1 level graphics for another generation.
I wouldn't expect too many Slashdotters to understand different types of social interaction. Sorry had to say it...
The board game provides a different context fot the hanging out. Like drinking and hanging out. Or watching TV and hanging out. Or chopping wood and hanging out. Its not an excuse to hang out, its just a different framework for interaction.
Maybe/. would be more comfortable with the example of: its like socially interacting while testing a new linux distro vs socially interacting out at the comic book convention. You can do anything while hanging out, but there are reasons why these options exist.
The rate of complaining about Halo (a Microsoft PUBLICATION) being XBOX "exclusive" is far greater than the amount of complaining about GTA3 and GTA:VC (not SCEA publications) being PS2 "exclusive". To complain about only one just because one hates Microsoft betrays one's motives and allows everyone to see the amount of logic that went into your post.
Noone complains when Zelda is exclusive to Gamecube...
I also own an XBOX and have been happy with the purchase, though I do not enjoy Halo. Many of the best Sega games have only come out on this platform in the current generation. I just finished Toe Jam & Earl III and it was great.
The parallel you draw to Sega consoles is undeniable, but just because you truly hate, doesn't mean we don't truly enjoy. Your hate is likewise sad and funny at the same time in my perception.
So what is the cause of this hate? That I have a good job and can easily afford to enjoy games on all three consoles (well my Dreamcast and N64 are still connected to one of my TV's as well as an NES so six?) as well as a cutting edge PC? Could it be that you are a pure hater in the traditional sense? That is what I see here.
I guess if one has to decide which of the 3 major consoles to buy, he will naturally be envious of those of us who can enjoy them all. Sad and funny to me indeed.
I have to agree that girls will play games. My lady is similar in that she is hesitant to try a new game, but I can always tell which one to pick up that will last a long time for both of us.
As far as giving away games to women... #1 Demos are gender neutral, females can play them too #2 This would just create a generation of cross-dressers out for free stuff.
5. Except if the Steam server goes down. Whoops, can't play that copy of HL2 you "bought". The copy I buy I will even be able to use OFFLINE. Imagine that.
Well, id's last three games (technically Q3, RtCW, and W:ET) now incorporate punkbuster as part of the application. Punkbuster is not perfect, no anti-cheat is, but it does very well. When a new cheat proliferates (I don't use "comes out" because if only one guy in the world is using the cheat, who cares) PB is updated within a couple days and the new cheat is detected. If you stopped playing Q3 patch to 1.32, turn on PB, and join an PB-on server. As an example of how effective it is, go to your average CS message board and you will encounter many threads accusing so-and-so of cheating and witch trials all over. Go to a Wolfenstein message board and check out an accusational thread there, the rest of the posters will redicule the original for thinking the person was cheating.
By outsourcing the anti-cheat responsibilities it means id can go about doing what they do and Evenbalance can focus on new cheats. id (and Activision) clearly do "give a damn" because they license the (proven) technology but dont charge you any extra for it.
How about some tips from slashdotters about breaking into the entertainment software industry?
Lets turn all this negativity into something positive! Make it an ask/. for wanna be game professionals.
My tip, I know its tired but I can say for certain that it works, put time in at the publisher QA level. I have a couple friends who have gone on to be titled designers DIRECTLY from this route and many more who are titled producers both at publishers and developers. This works best of course if you happen to live near a major publisher (ie LA if you are in the States). Check out the publisher's websites (they are almost always hiring) and be an in-house QA tester, public betas will get you nowhere fast.
These were Playstations. Remember, the little grey box that didn't do anything special except play games that appeal to the lowest common denominator and software copyright violators?
You guys are all talking about Playstation 2's. The slightly larger black box that is pretty much the same except it can also stand on its end.
Though link up all 17,000 Playstations if you want. You could do some serious text editing with all that power.
Well, there are special rules for older drivers on the books such as they must take tougher tests or must renew their license more often.
Since you brought this up, are you out there campaigning for their rights too?
Having a parent present to buy certain games is a similar restriction, not a ban, a restriction.
In short your example is not insightful, but in fact flawed.
Read a little closer. I never said I could be in, I said I don't know if I could or not. I read the mission statement, which includes the desire to exclude 98% of the population. Its just not for me. I don't hate them, I'm not mad at them, I'm just an inclusive person by nature. Its all good.
People are supposed to care when this is how people who "care" talk about them?
Though I fall somewhere in the middle of average Joe and Mensa member (though I would never know if I could join Mensa because I find such things to be too elitest for me), I find your tone to be distasteful and self-defeating. If you want people to agree with you, or even here your side out, you should be persuasive, not hateful. In fact, if I was searching for GNU I would probably be looking for their new line of snowboards, but sports are probably below you, correct? Try a little tolerance. My homepage is Blue's News for the record.
So not to be 100% off-topic. Even though I understand the signifcance here, I think it is delicious that it is news that someone was able to get a web browser to surf the web.
Based on the fact that Rooster Teeth has done some work specifically for Bungie, notably a E3 video, I doubt they are going to get strung up for copyright violations.
If they did not have permission they are still not attempting to profit DIRECTLY from the video (they do sell some shirts with the Rooster Teeth and RedVsBlue.com logos) so they are little more than some kids video taping what happened on their TV and then showing their friends. (No disrespect to the quality of work, clearly they are more talented than that, this is just from a copyright perspective)
The other question involving using a game engine with your own models/textures/sounds... IANAL, but most modern games do come with an option to record a demo. This demo is obviously intended for distribution. Not for profit distribution, though. So this would be a valid, legal use. To attempt to profit from the underlying technology (the engine itself regardless of any assets utilized in the production) you would need to work out a license for that.
I guess in short, giveaway movies = defensibly permitted. Movies for profit = asking for it.
This is where the console is most close to Steam (Valve's system of online game and patch distribution). Yet people seem to defend Steam.
In both cases it sounds like you are going to stream content onto your console or PC but never actually get a real tangible copy to keep.
Steam scares me when it comes to actually distributing games in this manner. I'll definitely still be going to a nice real store to buy the nice real CD. Even patches, it wreaks of a way to get around the publisher (and third party for consoles) imposed quality control and let the public beta-test EVERYTHING that comes out, with the consumer paying for this "privilege".
Off-topic maybe, but tangental. The two systems seem so similar in theory.
I notice Pokemon has a seperate listing in the software category. Is that 1.44 million already included in Nintendo's 3.15 total above? If so, that would seem to show a weakness in Nintendo's lineup outside of Pokemon. If not then all is as expected with Nintendo taking the top spot with a total of 4.59 million.
I'm not familiar with how Japanese totals are reported, I just found that listing interesting.
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How self-important! They don't announce the release date in the gaming press until it is close. This was an announcement to stockholders and analysts. You sought out what is not intended for you.
They have to predict a release date. This is a major product for a publicly traded company. The stockholders are entitled to know what to expect for the near future. It is responsible to give the quarter a product is expected to ship as well as when a product's shipping slips to another quarter. Predicting an exact date can make one look foolish, but that was never the case with this title.
C'mon dagarath, I know you could have thought of that if you tried.
Fundamental civil rights change? We should start a collection to buy this man some perspective.
Artists needing to be freed? The record labels don't use threats of violence to get the artists to sign up, only dollar signs. I have no pity for those who signed a contract. They are adults and made that decision for themselves. Its only the artists who become rediculously successful that seek to break them.
Clearly sir, you are the one who does not know of what we are discussing. No, everyone is not AUTOMATICALLY scaled to the lowest PC's LOD. That is not what I am claiming. If you had ever played in a gaming league, however, you would know that this is what happens. Everyone trys to turn off all the settings. I wouldn't have had to go into more detail, but you are clearly ignorant of this side of gaming. What you IMAGINE will happen is all well and good, but I live in reality. I appreciate the quality of gameplay being locked at a certain level (and yes, graphics do enhance gameplay when there are trees to hide behind and walls that have color to blend in with, etc) by the publisher. When an engine can be scaled back this far, it will be. Period. When one person turns of trees and textured walls, EVERYONE will to stay competitive. Your ignorance of this situation astounds me. Perhaps you are the type of guy who goes to a PC club to play Counter-strike and stab someone and calls himself an informed gamer. Good day.
EA is the biggest publisher so they make the largest political contributions and are therefore so far exempt from the probe. Check.
All other publishers are named or have already been named for this investigation into their accounting practices, even though the practice is standard throughout the industry. Check.
The watchdogs state in the article that they understand the current practice and don't see much wrong with it but they suspect the SEC will require a change. Check.
The new rules are likely to hurt bubble publishers such as Midway and Acclaim and not trouble the big boys EA, Activision and Take-Two who could more easily transition to deal with the new rules. This would also logically exclude all foreign publishers without a US trading stock. Check.
So, the big dogs win and the small fish lose. Stock prices fall sharply throughout the industry for a time, potentially breaking the smaller houses entirely. All of this, despite the fact that noone has really complained that they lost their retirement because of these stocks like we saw with Enron, when in fact the entertainment software industry has been stable to strong throughout the downturn. Check.
Thanks SEC, keep up the good work.
Why is it the most ignorant posts get modded funny?
Having GONE to E3 I saw Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 1 running on the N-gage. Not some watered down thing. THE ORIGINAL in its 3D glory. This device is not underpowered for the market. Thats like saying the PlayStation was underpowered to compete with the SNES, because that is what we are comparing here for handhelds.
Your note about the Dreamcast does win the obvious award, but its irrelevent to the situation.
I'm not going to buy an N-Gage because I don't play handheld games, but your post is just not factually correct.
Wow, the parent got modded both insightful AND flamebait. I guess I'll have to consider that the highest possible compliment meaning I captured the discussion perfectly and two people had nothing to add other than completely agree and completely disagree. The flamebait is off base because I provided a concrete example of both the negative aspect of allowing slow PCs to continue on as well as a solution another game made. If you think I am paranoid, just watch the difference between an RtCW competition (no tight PB controls) and an ET competition (very tight PB controls). The RtCW game will look like a field of grey with axis and allies running around, but hey its got a low min spec!
Gamespy reports JC himself has stated these are the target min specs for Doom3 for comparision.
1GHz CPU
256MB RAM
GF1 or Radeon 7xxx series card
No mention of the minimum card for HL2, though they do shamelessly plug ATI in general. Sell out, with me oh yeah...
All just for comparison.
IE people with slow computers will force the whole community to play to the lowest common denominator. They will have the settings so low that fog and grass and trees and rain and whatever else will disappear, leaving anyone with a system powerful enough to handle these things at a disadvantage. Thanks valve. I wish you would leave some of these old PC's behind. It is 2003 already.
Look at what they did with Enemy Territory. It includes punkbuster and through pb settings an admin can limit how much a client can play with their cvars and still be allowed on that server. This makes sure everyone sees the same rain and fog and trees and grass. If you were a serious gamer you wouldn't be rocking a PII 800.
Valve has just basically invited (and really forced) everyone to stay in Half-life 1 level graphics for another generation.
I wouldn't expect too many Slashdotters to understand different types of social interaction. Sorry had to say it...
/. would be more comfortable with the example of: its like socially interacting while testing a new linux distro vs socially interacting out at the comic book convention. You can do anything while hanging out, but there are reasons why these options exist.
The board game provides a different context fot the hanging out. Like drinking and hanging out. Or watching TV and hanging out. Or chopping wood and hanging out. Its not an excuse to hang out, its just a different framework for interaction.
Maybe
They were, but not at the same time, the same pattern that Halo is following.
AC's don't really think things through, do they?
Hypocrisy!
The rate of complaining about Halo (a Microsoft PUBLICATION) being XBOX "exclusive" is far greater than the amount of complaining about GTA3 and GTA:VC (not SCEA publications) being PS2 "exclusive". To complain about only one just because one hates Microsoft betrays one's motives and allows everyone to see the amount of logic that went into your post.
Noone complains when Zelda is exclusive to Gamecube...
I also own an XBOX and have been happy with the purchase, though I do not enjoy Halo. Many of the best Sega games have only come out on this platform in the current generation. I just finished Toe Jam & Earl III and it was great. The parallel you draw to Sega consoles is undeniable, but just because you truly hate, doesn't mean we don't truly enjoy. Your hate is likewise sad and funny at the same time in my perception. So what is the cause of this hate? That I have a good job and can easily afford to enjoy games on all three consoles (well my Dreamcast and N64 are still connected to one of my TV's as well as an NES so six?) as well as a cutting edge PC? Could it be that you are a pure hater in the traditional sense? That is what I see here. I guess if one has to decide which of the 3 major consoles to buy, he will naturally be envious of those of us who can enjoy them all. Sad and funny to me indeed.
I have to agree that girls will play games. My lady is similar in that she is hesitant to try a new game, but I can always tell which one to pick up that will last a long time for both of us.
As far as giving away games to women...
#1 Demos are gender neutral, females can play them too
#2 This would just create a generation of cross-dressers out for free stuff.
5. Except if the Steam server goes down. Whoops, can't play that copy of HL2 you "bought". The copy I buy I will even be able to use OFFLINE. Imagine that.
Well, id's last three games (technically Q3, RtCW, and W:ET) now incorporate punkbuster as part of the application. Punkbuster is not perfect, no anti-cheat is, but it does very well. When a new cheat proliferates (I don't use "comes out" because if only one guy in the world is using the cheat, who cares) PB is updated within a couple days and the new cheat is detected. If you stopped playing Q3 patch to 1.32, turn on PB, and join an PB-on server. As an example of how effective it is, go to your average CS message board and you will encounter many threads accusing so-and-so of cheating and witch trials all over. Go to a Wolfenstein message board and check out an accusational thread there, the rest of the posters will redicule the original for thinking the person was cheating.
By outsourcing the anti-cheat responsibilities it means id can go about doing what they do and Evenbalance can focus on new cheats. id (and Activision) clearly do "give a damn" because they license the (proven) technology but dont charge you any extra for it.
How about some tips from slashdotters about breaking into the entertainment software industry? /. for wanna be game professionals.
Lets turn all this negativity into something positive! Make it an ask
My tip, I know its tired but I can say for certain that it works, put time in at the publisher QA level. I have a couple friends who have gone on to be titled designers DIRECTLY from this route and many more who are titled producers both at publishers and developers. This works best of course if you happen to live near a major publisher (ie LA if you are in the States). Check out the publisher's websites (they are almost always hiring) and be an in-house QA tester, public betas will get you nowhere fast.
Its cliche but I can verify it works.
These were Playstations. Remember, the little grey box that didn't do anything special except play games that appeal to the lowest common denominator and software copyright violators?
You guys are all talking about Playstation 2's. The slightly larger black box that is pretty much the same except it can also stand on its end.
Though link up all 17,000 Playstations if you want. You could do some serious text editing with all that power.
Well, there are special rules for older drivers on the books such as they must take tougher tests or must renew their license more often.
Since you brought this up, are you out there campaigning for their rights too?
Having a parent present to buy certain games is a similar restriction, not a ban, a restriction.
In short your example is not insightful, but in fact flawed.
Read a little closer. I never said I could be in, I said I don't know if I could or not. I read the mission statement, which includes the desire to exclude 98% of the population. Its just not for me. I don't hate them, I'm not mad at them, I'm just an inclusive person by nature. Its all good.
People are supposed to care when this is how people who "care" talk about them?
Though I fall somewhere in the middle of average Joe and Mensa member (though I would never know if I could join Mensa because I find such things to be too elitest for me), I find your tone to be distasteful and self-defeating. If you want people to agree with you, or even here your side out, you should be persuasive, not hateful. In fact, if I was searching for GNU I would probably be looking for their new line of snowboards, but sports are probably below you, correct? Try a little tolerance. My homepage is Blue's News for the record.
So not to be 100% off-topic. Even though I understand the signifcance here, I think it is delicious that it is news that someone was able to get a web browser to surf the web.
Based on the fact that Rooster Teeth has done some work specifically for Bungie, notably a E3 video, I doubt they are going to get strung up for copyright violations.
If they did not have permission they are still not attempting to profit DIRECTLY from the video (they do sell some shirts with the Rooster Teeth and RedVsBlue.com logos) so they are little more than some kids video taping what happened on their TV and then showing their friends. (No disrespect to the quality of work, clearly they are more talented than that, this is just from a copyright perspective)
The other question involving using a game engine with your own models/textures/sounds...
IANAL, but most modern games do come with an option to record a demo. This demo is obviously intended for distribution. Not for profit distribution, though. So this would be a valid, legal use. To attempt to profit from the underlying technology (the engine itself regardless of any assets utilized in the production) you would need to work out a license for that.
I guess in short, giveaway movies = defensibly permitted. Movies for profit = asking for it.
This is where the console is most close to Steam (Valve's system of online game and patch distribution). Yet people seem to defend Steam.
In both cases it sounds like you are going to stream content onto your console or PC but never actually get a real tangible copy to keep.
Steam scares me when it comes to actually distributing games in this manner. I'll definitely still be going to a nice real store to buy the nice real CD. Even patches, it wreaks of a way to get around the publisher (and third party for consoles) imposed quality control and let the public beta-test EVERYTHING that comes out, with the consumer paying for this "privilege".
Off-topic maybe, but tangental. The two systems seem so similar in theory.
I notice Pokemon has a seperate listing in the software category. Is that 1.44 million already included in Nintendo's 3.15 total above? If so, that would seem to show a weakness in Nintendo's lineup outside of Pokemon. If not then all is as expected with Nintendo taking the top spot with a total of 4.59 million.
I'm not familiar with how Japanese totals are reported, I just found that listing interesting.
A better question would be is it open source? Then instead of complaining about it being US-centric you could just re-work it to your needs.