You know, there is some kind of difference between buying a REAL car and buying a RIGHT to play game. REAL car cannot rally be revoked without refund, game or software - can, if you have agreed to license agreement, which usually says that owner of the software (producer or publisher) can revoke your rights to PLAY this game anytime they want, usually, when you have done something wrong according to the license. For example, used some kind of scheme to get rid of copy protection.
Don't agree with that? Well, then don't use commercial software, as almost all EULAs say that.
It is all about ownership - they OWN the game, and you buy a RIGHT to play this game. Nothing more.
Wrong, percentage of Russian speaking people here, in Latvia, is rather high, but still no more than 30% of whole population. The rest 60% are native Latvians. It was never bigger than 35-40% even in those times, when soviet regime tried to bring down Latvians as the nation (1940-1960 years).
You are 100% right and I agree with you wholeheartly, but...
Answer to your question is very simply - **AA are created by bad, big, evil, with-no-heart coorporations who thinks about profit, more profit and nothing else but a profit. So if they can spend a little more money on PR, armies of lawyers, etc. to gain something or destroy any movement against them to gain more - they WILL do it. Because why they are here in the first place.
Remember, coorporations are not here to simply earn money - they are to stay alive and not be eaten by other coorps. So...
Perfectionism and idealism, if you are *selfrightous*, will do harm indeed - especially to yourself. But if you apply common sence and what and how you feel the world, fairness, it is the best mix you can have in you.
It requires lot of work with yourself - learing from your mistakes, live in this cruel world with arms wide open. Of coarse, you can get many hits and you can hit back. But emotional honesty is always that somehting pays back.
AFAIK Kino http://www.gnomefiles.org/app.php?soft_id=213 is one I think you will want to use in Firewire video capture. It is lean GTK/GNOME app and is matured for very long time, and afaik, they are targeting to support fully Ogg Theora/Vorbis, so, it will provide completely free video capture.
Yes, it is great to welcome another program, aimed at normal production use for common users for working with sound, but I want to point out that it doesn't arrive in the empty place. We have Audacity, Ardour, MuSE, lot of other programms which slowly reach stability and production use. Also I should mention work on ALSA and JACK, which are critical components making Linux a profesional workstation for working with sound.
Of coarse, lot of work should still be done for getting serious for common recording pro's crowd, but we are moving here.
First, I want to say that 'users are dumb' is a very big myth and I guess it was rised from geek's incapability to give proper instructions "in human language" what common user should do. My way of doing it is such:
* First, I install Firefox and inform them that it will be the new way to get to the INTERNET (Yes, we see there is some terminology mismach, similar as GNU/Linux vs. simply Linux. We all know that INTERNET is a lot more than simple web browsing). I inform them that it will be in the place of that big, blue shiny E letter and they go something like 'aahhh, I see'. And no problem, no support calls, nada, nothing. I erease all icons of IE, install all plugins they would like to need and that's all.
Resume: just tell clearly "in human language" what users should do and where they can get to the internet. For them, in future, Internet will be Firefox. Just use your mouth what it is though for.
Ohh, and one more point - it isn't what are distributors like Novell, SuSE, Mandrake and bunch of small distros for? And I guess they already do that - they prepeare and tweak the most important packages and configure interfaces for that too. You won't see much additional apps installed in default installation of Mandrake, for example.
However, I take partly my words back about your moderation - I agree, there should less visual choice for the common user, because otherwise they will get confused. That's why I love GNOME - it is very clear and simple interface. Even I love it as computer geek.
DVD decoder - mplayer package, check out details, some one only should make a decent GUI with PytGTK or KDE or something like that... In fact, DVD tools are getting more matured as we speak.
CD Burner - K3b rocks my world, man, even as I'm usually GNOME user (waiting for Coaster to rise up). And If I really lazy, I can burn them with Nautilus CD Burner.
Decent text editor - wtf you are talking about? Gedit? Kedit? OpenOffice.org Writer? Choose what you want - plain text, advanced editor with rich text editing possibilities. all Unicode aware. REMEMBER, decent text editor =! 100% compatable with MS Office. I personally don't need that.
PDF reader - what's wrong with xpdf? It works, in most cases (99%)
popup blocker - ???? What a hell you talking about, again? Use Mozilla/Firefox =)
FTP client - gftp makes my day, and if you need more user friendly browsing, Nautilus FTP support just really rocks for simple FTPing.
graphics file converter - gThumbs, GIMP, etc. For those why cry for Photoshop - GIMP supports PSD file format for opening and it really works.
Ohhh, I tired already.
I just wonder - how the hell you got moderated insightful? You guys are out of date what's going on Linux software world?
I don't think it so much about that ATI will learn something from them, etc. etc. I think industrial espionage is far more advanced so I think ATI knows nVidia secrets and vice versa.
Also, about hardware design - why the hell drivers couldn't just control the card? Why some of functionality should be in software? Because of expenses. Also this is a factor - coorporate greed.
And in final, I think lawyers plays very big role in all that - maybe many of specs could be and should be opened, but lawyers as always suspicious about patents, etc. stuff refuse to allow that.
I'm not a economy specialist or the lawyer, but such things which shows tad all IP is going to the extremes - coorporations want to be everything owned by someone. I personally thing they won't succeed - but it will be along fight before some sanity shows up in this situation.
Before that, I give myself a half a laugh, half a shiver about all that. It is scary as it is funny to see how they try to run for money - oh, yes, it is needed for living, but not so much.
Oh, ok, whatever...tired from all this.
Of coarse, Gartner know that it is just a spin, which they try to paint as truth. Someone is SERIOUSLY worried that ISV, hardware manifacturers, etc. will start to take Linux into account and will start to build around it! Ohh, what a horror, Windows-only world is impossible, sky is falling!
But seriously, do they really believe their own lies? They clearly know that GNU/Linux has maybe far more than 6% of installed base - because most people which uses Linux is downloaded it from internet for free. It is nearly impossible to know the correct percentage of that.
And also - I think that most pepole who buys OEM computer with Linux do that with purpose - to use it! Because OEM will pay Microsoft tax anyway - look at the price, it is not so much difference. So what is the reason not to buy Windows computer directly? Nice spin, but...a little bit wrong logic.
And in the end, I just migrate and convert some ten computers each month (small/medium business stuff) to my Debian based distro. And I don't know why everyone claims 'Linux is not ready for the desktop!', 'Linux sux', 'GPL is viral', etc.
It works. It really works guys. That's all I know.
It actually doesn't make sense because browsing web is...just saving pages/pictures/etc in cache AND viewing it. So I guess it would be any kind of difference, if you save it.
Only difference is then when different libs are used for viewing JPG.
I partly agree with you, but don't be so harsh, I have several comments on your arguments:
* First, it simply works [tm] for most users and most sites, so, yes there are still bugs on HTML rendering and it haunting them down will be long story, but as I said - it works for most users.
* I guess lot of those users won't chase cool plugins as long as after month or two of casual browsing - or maybe won't look after plugins at all. So this stuff is for advanced users who already know that they should wait.:)
* This (t.i. third) point is the most I would agree with - but hey, it's a common problem and it is not only with Firefox.
* Hmmm, smart thought, but I think marketing should start when it should start - it must be slightly before the release of original product. See, Microsoft hypes about Longhorng veeeeeery eaaaarly:)
* Of coarse lot of things could be improved, but hey, let's leave it to the next versions:)
* I really LOVE the new way of handling Flash plugins - just click on the embeded object with text 'Download the plugin', opens the wizard, several 'Next' and vola - I got working Flash. It is really MUCH better than previous way of handling things.
So, it is not so bad - it is marketing and I really happy to see that it works - even for open source.
Linus attitude is VERY simple - if companies want a driver API, then they should go, create it AND maitain it. He is not against, he is against waste of time of other developers on this question. He simply doesn't want to mess with that, period. And guess what - you can stop this rant and go with simple patch set which could create such driver API. After all, it's open source and GPL!
So why companies, or at least someone don't try to do that? I will tell you why - because there is no easy solution for that, that solution whould require years (at least two) for coding and maitaining it could be not a walk in afternoon after that.
Driver framework always is a big problem. And as binary only drivers are in BIG minority here, they should do something about it. Biggest part of people lives very well with open source drivers.
Yes, IF international trade barriers fall... As I don't see them to do in recent time. Problem is that actually capitalism and free marketing isn't marriage made in heaven - actually they are barerly compatable. Capitalism targets money and money flow torward several magnets, as the free market is all about many, multiple money magnets all over the place. Guess what will happen if free market really will kick in? Sure, it will be our current political and finansial platform at it's best, but do you really think that moguls and big fat richies of all sizes would like to allow that to happen? I Don't think so.
Problem is that free market is somehow impossible, because we don't take one important and ugly side of human character - greed. Greed can expand free market, but it can effective kill it.
In US, we have examples of that all over the place. One of them - Microsoft.
And how about that paycheck - third or even half of it - goes to shrank, or even worse, in the middle of your productive life you become a mess and you have to quit?
Overworking and stress WILL be death of modern society, period. Rushing for the money become so absurd that it has lost any kind of rationality.
because it has done many good things. Really, KDE and GNOME is for different user groups, so I really hate those all flamewars. I love GNOME and you love KDE. That's all and great - because it's all about choice. Someone else uses OS X, and someone else - some BSD flavor...
What I really love to see that freedesktop.org starts to really matter for developers. I love that colobration stuff that we can share easily data without breaking each other goals.
Remember, colobration and easy data migration between platforms is the key to the future of Linux *mainstream* destkop.
And yes, kudos KDE team as always for superior translation tool - KBabel.
Maybe it simply because Microsoft is marketing and PR company and never was identended to be SERIOUS IT company? But as long their marketing and PR technologies works (and they do, can't shake it down), they don't have to appologise to the world because of buggy software. And they won't to. Only when they will loose significant market share (let's say, 20%) they will start to think about technical solutions. But they are costly. And then you will see in reality how much really Microsoft is worth in money. I guess nothing more than 10-20 bilions in cash.
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Hmmmm, IF you are talking about freedesktop.org, that it is NOT Xorg. Freedesktop.org is collabration place for various projects to interact and make integration easer. I DON'T think anyone will mess with X protocol, so your worries are little bit over the top, IMHO.
I want just to point out that that voice got me very scary too. I would agree with the rest about Doom 3 - it feels like a Terminator 3 - remake but worth that price, good references and lot of playing fun.
I have to agree. Yes, software patents abuse is so ridiculous that they should be abdoned. Yes, that's lot of trash talk. BUT it is danger. I don't understand attacks to Bruce Perens - he pointed out DANGER. And it IS danger. Don't matter how do you try to spin it. Oh, yeah, he is making business of it. BUT he is not HIDING problem.
And it is NOT FUD.
So, there is a masterplan. Stop software patents ASAP. There's no common good for them, only harm. Don't like it? Well, it is how it is. You can't choose nice parts of truth and throw the rest away.
About IBM - ok, it's nice that they say that, and I agree that I think they won't do that but it doesn't correct problem anyway.
There is lot of nukes in the world. Now that Russia has no will to attack US or other Western countries with them doesn't make me sleep better anyway. There is STILL danger from them.
because problem is became so obious. It's not about will you or not use open source if software patents will be granted in US. You simply won't. Imagine all the good things what open source brings - Apache, PHP, MySQL, PostgreSQL, etc. INCLUDING BSD operational systems, will be hard to use in the work and in enivorements you would like to. Even I guess Mozilla Firefox and OpenOffice.org could be in harm.
It's time to stop program patents, NOW. There's no discussion about half-backed solutions. It must be stopped.
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Wrong, wrong and ...emmm..wrong.
You know, there is some kind of difference between buying a REAL car and buying a RIGHT to play game. REAL car cannot rally be revoked without refund, game or software - can, if you have agreed to license agreement, which usually says that owner of the software (producer or publisher) can revoke your rights to PLAY this game anytime they want, usually, when you have done something wrong according to the license. For example, used some kind of scheme to get rid of copy protection.
Don't agree with that? Well, then don't use commercial software, as almost all EULAs say that.
It is all about ownership - they OWN the game, and you buy a RIGHT to play this game. Nothing more.
Because it is American's way of thinking? Destroy them all, kill them all. You have to be The ONE.
Wrong, percentage of Russian speaking people here, in Latvia, is rather high, but still no more than 30% of whole population. The rest 60% are native Latvians. It was never bigger than 35-40% even in those times, when soviet regime tried to bring down Latvians as the nation (1940-1960 years).
i a/
You can check it out here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Latv
You are 100% right and I agree with you wholeheartly, but...
Answer to your question is very simply - **AA are created by bad, big, evil, with-no-heart coorporations who thinks about profit, more profit and nothing else but a profit. So if they can spend a little more money on PR, armies of lawyers, etc. to gain something or destroy any movement against them to gain more - they WILL do it. Because why they are here in the first place.
Remember, coorporations are not here to simply earn money - they are to stay alive and not be eaten by other coorps. So...
They use any source of income they can.
Perfectionism and idealism, if you are *selfrightous*, will do harm indeed - especially to yourself. But if you apply common sence and what and how you feel the world, fairness, it is the best mix you can have in you.
It requires lot of work with yourself - learing from your mistakes, live in this cruel world with arms wide open. Of coarse, you can get many hits and you can hit back. But emotional honesty is always that somehting pays back.
AFAIK Kino http://www.gnomefiles.org/app.php?soft_id=213 is one I think you will want to use in Firewire video capture. It is lean GTK/GNOME app and is matured for very long time, and afaik, they are targeting to support fully Ogg Theora/Vorbis, so, it will provide completely free video capture.
Yes, it is great to welcome another program, aimed at normal production use for common users for working with sound, but I want to point out that it doesn't arrive in the empty place. We have Audacity, Ardour, MuSE, lot of other programms which slowly reach stability and production use. Also I should mention work on ALSA and JACK, which are critical components making Linux a profesional workstation for working with sound.
Of coarse, lot of work should still be done for getting serious for common recording pro's crowd, but we are moving here.
First, I want to say that 'users are dumb' is a very big myth and I guess it was rised from geek's incapability to give proper instructions "in human language" what common user should do. My way of doing it is such: * First, I install Firefox and inform them that it will be the new way to get to the INTERNET (Yes, we see there is some terminology mismach, similar as GNU/Linux vs. simply Linux. We all know that INTERNET is a lot more than simple web browsing). I inform them that it will be in the place of that big, blue shiny E letter and they go something like 'aahhh, I see'. And no problem, no support calls, nada, nothing. I erease all icons of IE, install all plugins they would like to need and that's all. Resume: just tell clearly "in human language" what users should do and where they can get to the internet. For them, in future, Internet will be Firefox. Just use your mouth what it is though for.
Ohh, and one more point - it isn't what are distributors like Novell, SuSE, Mandrake and bunch of small distros for? And I guess they already do that - they prepeare and tweak the most important packages and configure interfaces for that too. You won't see much additional apps installed in default installation of Mandrake, for example.
However, I take partly my words back about your moderation - I agree, there should less visual choice for the common user, because otherwise they will get confused. That's why I love GNOME - it is very clear and simple interface. Even I love it as computer geek.
DVD decoder - mplayer package, check out details, some one only should make a decent GUI with PytGTK or KDE or something like that... In fact, DVD tools are getting more matured as we speak.
CD Burner - K3b rocks my world, man, even as I'm usually GNOME user (waiting for Coaster to rise up). And If I really lazy, I can burn them with Nautilus CD Burner.
Decent text editor - wtf you are talking about? Gedit? Kedit? OpenOffice.org Writer? Choose what you want - plain text, advanced editor with rich text editing possibilities. all Unicode aware.
REMEMBER, decent text editor =! 100% compatable with MS Office. I personally don't need that.
PDF reader - what's wrong with xpdf? It works, in most cases (99%)
popup blocker - ???? What a hell you talking about, again? Use Mozilla/Firefox =)
FTP client - gftp makes my day, and if you need more user friendly browsing, Nautilus FTP support just really rocks for simple FTPing.
graphics file converter - gThumbs, GIMP, etc. For those why cry for Photoshop - GIMP supports PSD file format for opening and it really works.
Ohhh, I tired already.
I just wonder - how the hell you got moderated insightful? You guys are out of date what's going on Linux software world?
*sigh*
I don't think it so much about that ATI will learn something from them, etc. etc. I think industrial espionage is far more advanced so I think ATI knows nVidia secrets and vice versa.
Also, about hardware design - why the hell drivers couldn't just control the card? Why some of functionality should be in software? Because of expenses. Also this is a factor - coorporate greed.
And in final, I think lawyers plays very big role in all that - maybe many of specs could be and should be opened, but lawyers as always suspicious about patents, etc. stuff refuse to allow that.
SO it is not so easy as business secrets case.
I'm not a economy specialist or the lawyer, but such things which shows tad all IP is going to the extremes - coorporations want to be everything owned by someone. I personally thing they won't succeed - but it will be along fight before some sanity shows up in this situation. Before that, I give myself a half a laugh, half a shiver about all that. It is scary as it is funny to see how they try to run for money - oh, yes, it is needed for living, but not so much. Oh, ok, whatever...tired from all this.
Of coarse, Gartner know that it is just a spin, which they try to paint as truth. Someone is SERIOUSLY worried that ISV, hardware manifacturers, etc. will start to take Linux into account and will start to build around it! Ohh, what a horror, Windows-only world is impossible, sky is falling!
But seriously, do they really believe their own lies? They clearly know that GNU/Linux has maybe far more than 6% of installed base - because most people which uses Linux is downloaded it from internet for free. It is nearly impossible to know the correct percentage of that.
And also - I think that most pepole who buys OEM computer with Linux do that with purpose - to use it! Because OEM will pay Microsoft tax anyway - look at the price, it is not so much difference. So what is the reason not to buy Windows computer directly? Nice spin, but...a little bit wrong logic.
And in the end, I just migrate and convert some ten computers each month (small/medium business stuff) to my Debian based distro. And I don't know why everyone claims 'Linux is not ready for the desktop!', 'Linux sux', 'GPL is viral', etc.
It works. It really works guys. That's all I know.
It actually doesn't make sense because browsing web is...just saving pages/pictures/etc in cache AND viewing it. So I guess it would be any kind of difference, if you save it.
Only difference is then when different libs are used for viewing JPG.
I partly agree with you, but don't be so harsh, I have several comments on your arguments:
:)
:)
:)
* First, it simply works [tm] for most users and most sites, so, yes there are still bugs on HTML rendering and it haunting them down will be long story, but as I said - it works for most users.
* I guess lot of those users won't chase cool plugins as long as after month or two of casual browsing - or maybe won't look after plugins at all. So this stuff is for advanced users who already know that they should wait.
* This (t.i. third) point is the most I would agree with - but hey, it's a common problem and it is not only with Firefox.
* Hmmm, smart thought, but I think marketing should start when it should start - it must be slightly before the release of original product. See, Microsoft hypes about Longhorng veeeeeery eaaaarly
* Of coarse lot of things could be improved, but hey, let's leave it to the next versions
* I really LOVE the new way of handling Flash plugins - just click on the embeded object with text 'Download the plugin', opens the wizard, several 'Next' and vola - I got working Flash. It is really MUCH better than previous way of handling things.
So, it is not so bad - it is marketing and I really happy to see that it works - even for open source.
Linus attitude is VERY simple - if companies want a driver API, then they should go, create it AND maitain it. He is not against, he is against waste of time of other developers on this question. He simply doesn't want to mess with that, period. And guess what - you can stop this rant and go with simple patch set which could create such driver API. After all, it's open source and GPL!
So why companies, or at least someone don't try to do that? I will tell you why - because there is no easy solution for that, that solution whould require years (at least two) for coding and maitaining it could be not a walk in afternoon after that.
Driver framework always is a big problem. And as binary only drivers are in BIG minority here, they should do something about it. Biggest part of people lives very well with open source drivers.
Yes, IF international trade barriers fall... As I don't see them to do in recent time. Problem is that actually capitalism and free marketing isn't marriage made in heaven - actually they are barerly compatable. Capitalism targets money and money flow torward several magnets, as the free market is all about many, multiple money magnets all over the place. Guess what will happen if free market really will kick in? Sure, it will be our current political and finansial platform at it's best, but do you really think that moguls and big fat richies of all sizes would like to allow that to happen? I Don't think so.
Problem is that free market is somehow impossible, because we don't take one important and ugly side of human character - greed. Greed can expand free market, but it can effective kill it.
In US, we have examples of that all over the place. One of them - Microsoft.
And how about that paycheck - third or even half of it - goes to shrank, or even worse, in the middle of your productive life you become a mess and you have to quit?
Overworking and stress WILL be death of modern society, period. Rushing for the money become so absurd that it has lost any kind of rationality.
because it has done many good things. Really, KDE and GNOME is for different user groups, so I really hate those all flamewars. I love GNOME and you love KDE. That's all and great - because it's all about choice. Someone else uses OS X, and someone else - some BSD flavor...
What I really love to see that freedesktop.org starts to really matter for developers. I love that colobration stuff that we can share easily data without breaking each other goals.
Remember, colobration and easy data migration between platforms is the key to the future of Linux *mainstream* destkop.
And yes, kudos KDE team as always for superior translation tool - KBabel.
Maybe it simply because Microsoft is marketing and PR company and never was identended to be SERIOUS IT company? But as long their marketing and PR technologies works (and they do, can't shake it down), they don't have to appologise to the world because of buggy software. And they won't to. Only when they will loose significant market share (let's say, 20%) they will start to think about technical solutions. But they are costly. And then you will see in reality how much really Microsoft is worth in money. I guess nothing more than 10-20 bilions in cash.
Hmmmm, IF you are talking about freedesktop.org, that it is NOT Xorg. Freedesktop.org is collabration place for various projects to interact and make integration easer. I DON'T think anyone will mess with X protocol, so your worries are little bit over the top, IMHO.
I want just to point out that that voice got me very scary too. I would agree with the rest about Doom 3 - it feels like a Terminator 3 - remake but worth that price, good references and lot of playing fun.
And most of that, really "real life" scary stuff.
I have to agree. Yes, software patents abuse is so ridiculous that they should be abdoned. Yes, that's lot of trash talk. BUT it is danger. I don't understand attacks to Bruce Perens - he pointed out DANGER. And it IS danger. Don't matter how do you try to spin it. Oh, yeah, he is making business of it. BUT he is not HIDING problem.
And it is NOT FUD.
So, there is a masterplan. Stop software patents ASAP. There's no common good for them, only harm. Don't like it? Well, it is how it is. You can't choose nice parts of truth and throw the rest away.
About IBM - ok, it's nice that they say that, and I agree that I think they won't do that but it doesn't correct problem anyway.
There is lot of nukes in the world. Now that Russia has no will to attack US or other Western countries with them doesn't make me sleep better anyway. There is STILL danger from them.
I will re-frase old saying - if you are even paranoid, it doesn't mean that there is NO conspiracy.
because problem is became so obious. It's not about will you or not use open source if software patents will be granted in US. You simply won't. Imagine all the good things what open source brings - Apache, PHP, MySQL, PostgreSQL, etc. INCLUDING BSD operational systems, will be hard to use in the work and in enivorements you would like to. Even I guess Mozilla Firefox and OpenOffice.org could be in harm. It's time to stop program patents, NOW. There's no discussion about half-backed solutions. It must be stopped.