A lot of funding is going to the DOD for defense so people in those organizations have a lot of money to work with. I have a summer internship at a base and they bought me a $4400 setup for Pro/E work. Saving a little money isn't a high priority. Also, pro/e needs windows.
I think linux will become popular with foreign governments before it becomes popular in the US. Like I've always thought, linux can be harder to setup, but it works better once you have it set up. IT departments probably wouldn't like it because it takes their job away by not having to wipe windows' ass every 15 minutes and requires them to learn something new.
What the hell are you talking about? Compare the cost of a television in relation to someone's income in the 50's and in 2004. Televisions are a lot cheaper now then they were. And all this america bashing about the quality of these products is bullshit because electronics are made in asia! And when they hell have you ever been "forced" to buy a warrenty that you have to renew???
Reoccuring payments are chosen by people over one initial cost. Do most people have $20,000 right now to buy a car? Of course not. They finance it and pay a monthly payment. If they couldn't do this, they couldn't have a new car.
And as for homes. Well way back when it was the land that was cheap. Now the land is expensive so the building materials have to suffer in quality. But people don't want a house that will last for 50 years. But if they did, then they would have it custom built by a sub contractor using quality materials.
You sound like just another pissy angry liberal who thinks that complaining will make the world better. Shut up.
Good things come to those who wait. And by that I mean take 48 hours to compile gentoo and it's packages and you'll have a system that's easy to upgrade with a command.
Alright, I'll nitpick in hopes of better karma. Portage just handles the hassle of finding all the dependencies and passes that information to the compiler. Now while this saves a lot of headaches (enough for me to actually go through the time to install gentoo), it doesn't take care of the configuration files. If you get the message saying you need to run "etc-update" then you're left with using a tool that could bork your system. I did that once because I blindly told it to just overwrite all the files. Now most of those files don't mean anything to me so when it asks if I want to apply a change I don't know what it always means.
I think portage is great, but editing the configuration files can still be tricky and even risky.
the patches are available? PC games always have bugs in them. This is understandable because of the daunting requirement of hardware compatibility for so many different configuration. However, I don't know of too many big popular games that didn't have some pretty nasty bugs in their initial release.
I'm not ranking this, but I used it once to generate an XF86Config-4 file for a gentoo installation. It worked fine to my knowledge.
As for others, I like ksambaplugin for generating smb.conf files for samba. It has worked better than swat for me every time. Mandrake's Control Center worked well too, but that is obviously limited to mandrake.
I think sometimes the best generator is just copying someone elses file and modifying it. Setting up an XF86Config-4 file for use on a system with an nvidia card took a lot of time. Yeah, I could have read through the 400 page readme file, but I'm lazy and I still would have had trouble.
That gets to me..."Arguably"...one can argue anything! "Windows is arguably the best software written." "Bill Gates is arguably the best business man."
Well, wine doesn't have windows code in it. I'm sure it would be a lot easier for microsoft to make gtk and qt binaries run because those standards are open. I think this is a great attempt for microsoft to pull a java on the linux community. They'll have gtk.NET and qt.NET and pretty soon they won't run on linux.
This is the problem I see with getting people to try linux. People recommend Suse, Mandrake, or Fedora to newbies because it's easy to set up and use. But once they want to update or install a program not offered by those companies in a nice package it becomes a pain. I'll take mandrake 10 as an example. I can not update kde by using something like apt or portage. Last night I upgraded from KDE 3.2.2 to 3.2.3 (yeah I know, why?). To do this I had to uninstall all the packages that had to do with kde, restart X into icewm, and install all of the new binaries. Now mandrake doesn't offer binaries of kde 3.2.3. Luckily I got them from richardlinux.net who offeres URPMI access so I can still use mandrake's URPMI. It took a few attempts of removing all the old packages to take care of the conflicts. I eventually got it, but I still have to reinstall things like xine and some others.
Now on gentoo or debian, it would have been a simple command to type. It would take a while to compile, but I could just let that sit overnight and throughout my day at work and come home to kde 3.2.3 all set up.
Where am I going with this?
The distros that are usually thought to be more difficult to install are debian and gentoo, however their packaging system is great. However the distros that are easy and quick to set up have bad or outdated or very incomplete packaging systems (mandrake) and so you can't use them.
I've been using linux exclusively now for a few months. I put gentoo on an older system to get a feel for it and it's not that hard to set up. I intend to put gentoo on the computer with mandrake mostly because of their easier packaging system.
It's just ironic that the easy distros are a pain once you get them going and the hard distros are easy once you get them going. It's a double edge sword. I hope these anoying rpm based distros will get together and either create a standard packaging system or just duplicate apt or portage.
You don't need hundreds of companies to sustain competition. A handful of good companies competing for the same customers will do fine. Most industries are like this. Cars, electronics, game consoles, computer manufacturers, etc. The good companies will stay afloat because they produce quality products and/or have good management. The software engineers from these failing companies will have to go somewhere. The good ones can go to a larger company and prosper and the ones that aren't good can find another career. This is just a small shakedown in the grand scheme of the industry, but it could help. I'd rather see just a few companies compete. Look how well that's turned out between KDE and Gnome and Microsoft, or OpenOffice (Sun) and Microsoft, or Mozilla and Microsoft. I could go on (and on with microsoft) but you get the idea. Besides, larger companies have the muscle to initiate standards which is what computing boils down to regulate and ensure competition.
As long as there are several companies, competition can flurish.
I brought it up because 10 people (including you, perhaps) would have brought up the gimp as if I've never heard of it. I was hoping to avoid the typical "well why the hell don't you use gimp" responses that quickly surface whenever someone mentions photoshop and linux in the same post.
I read how a lot of people have photoshop 7 pirated. This is hands down the best program for it's task. The gimp is slower and it's interface sucks. That's my opinion and don't waste your breath on a flameware. Anyway, piracy has helped photoshop, in my opinion. All those teenagers interested in graphic arts start learning by downloading photoshop, 3d studio max, flash mx, etc. When they go to work for a company, they are hired because they already are very familiar with the software. If adobe and the others made it very difficult to pirate, people would become familiar with another program and their employers would want them using that. I think these companies should relax about the teenager pirating software and focus prevention of piracy at the corporate level.
And these numbers were probably based on if everyone actually was going to buy the software. Most people who have photoshop wouldn't have shelled out $700, however their employers are happy they are experts on it and they pay for it.
Good to hear. I finally got a 2.6.7 kernel going in mandrake. It maybe the feeling of accomplishment going after trying to get this going for a while, but it seems faster. If you have any tips on installing gentoo on the dell please let me know. I've been googling and most sites say there's not much too it. Basically if you came across any hicups and solutions I'd appriciate it. Since I got kernel 2.6.7 working I figure setting up the kernel should be a piece of cake. I figure I could just copy over my XF86Config-4 file and smb.conf file and most of the installation headaches are solved. Getting those two files took a little work and I'd prefer not to have to build them from scratch...ever!
Thanks for the tip. I enabled the preloading and I guess I'll have to restart kde for it to take effect. I'm recompiling the kernel now. I've had trouble getting a kernel compiled on this machine. It comes with a 2.6.3 variant and the updates they release are all based on that. I tried compiling it on a 2.6.7 kernel and that had trouble because I couldn't get firewire loaded. I figured when I switch to gentoo I'll worry about kernel 2.6.7. I got that kernel straight from kernel.org so maybe that's the problem. And according to hdparm, dma is enabled. I'm running kde 3.2.2 from binaries I downloaded from a 3rd party compiled for mandrake and made into rpms. I didn't notice any speed increase or decrease from 3.2. This source now has 3.2.3 available and I might switch over or I might just try to compile from scratch. But I think I'll save that headache for portage when I switch to gentoo.
Mandrake has been a great distro to get my feet wet, but speed is a big issue, as is software management which gentoo does nicely.
I'm running mandrake 10 on a dell inspiron 8200 laptop. It's running a 1.8 ghz p4 with 512 mb of ram. Simply launching konqueror takes a few seconds and a good amount of hard drive thrashing as it loads. Sometimes it's so slow I see each icon as it loads up. Now I've heard mandrake is slow and I am planning on switching to gentoo. I installed gentoo from stage 1 on an older machine and it was pretty easy so I intend on making the switch soon enough on my main computer that I use everyday. So responses might just say to make the switch and you'll see lightning speed. I'm hoping for that, but I'm a little skeptical. So there's the example with as much information I feel is needed.
Is there any knews of this being faster? I've been annoyed that kde is slower than windows. Yeah, it looks nice, but most of those visual enhancements are from nice 2D graphics. I like kde because it has more basic programs than light WM's like fluxbox, but it's still kinda slow. They seem to be taking the microsoft route. Add features before making it faster and more stable. It's ironic where this is headed.
This guy is right. People here make anti-microsoft claims just for the karma. Rarely are they backed up with any credible evidence. It's a shame to see a good discussion revolve around some jerk who should me modded down as "-1, Jumped on the Bandwagon"
If you like microsoft then use them. If not, then don't. And btw, I use gentoo, but I only say that not to get modded down as an ms fanboy because that's how some will read this.
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face it, everyone steals from Apple.
A lot of funding is going to the DOD for defense so people in those organizations have a lot of money to work with. I have a summer internship at a base and they bought me a $4400 setup for Pro/E work. Saving a little money isn't a high priority. Also, pro/e needs windows.
I think linux will become popular with foreign governments before it becomes popular in the US. Like I've always thought, linux can be harder to setup, but it works better once you have it set up. IT departments probably wouldn't like it because it takes their job away by not having to wipe windows' ass every 15 minutes and requires them to learn something new.
Have you been around here this week? Yes, we are. Maybe another windows virus will come along and everyone can copy and paste from their
"C:\Documents and Settings\LinuxGeek\My Documents\MS Word Files\I hate microsoft.doc"
file and rant some more.
Netcraft confirms it!
What the hell are you talking about? Compare the cost of a television in relation to someone's income in the 50's and in 2004. Televisions are a lot cheaper now then they were. And all this america bashing about the quality of these products is bullshit because electronics are made in asia! And when they hell have you ever been "forced" to buy a warrenty that you have to renew???
Reoccuring payments are chosen by people over one initial cost. Do most people have $20,000 right now to buy a car? Of course not. They finance it and pay a monthly payment. If they couldn't do this, they couldn't have a new car.
And as for homes. Well way back when it was the land that was cheap. Now the land is expensive so the building materials have to suffer in quality. But people don't want a house that will last for 50 years. But if they did, then they would have it custom built by a sub contractor using quality materials.
You sound like just another pissy angry liberal who thinks that complaining will make the world better. Shut up.
how about "emerge --update mozilla"?
Good things come to those who wait. And by that I mean take 48 hours to compile gentoo and it's packages and you'll have a system that's easy to upgrade with a command.
Alright, I'll nitpick in hopes of better karma. Portage just handles the hassle of finding all the dependencies and passes that information to the compiler. Now while this saves a lot of headaches (enough for me to actually go through the time to install gentoo), it doesn't take care of the configuration files. If you get the message saying you need to run "etc-update" then you're left with using a tool that could bork your system. I did that once because I blindly told it to just overwrite all the files. Now most of those files don't mean anything to me so when it asks if I want to apply a change I don't know what it always means.
I think portage is great, but editing the configuration files can still be tricky and even risky.
the patches are available? PC games always have bugs in them. This is understandable because of the daunting requirement of hardware compatibility for so many different configuration. However, I don't know of too many big popular games that didn't have some pretty nasty bugs in their initial release.
I'm not ranking this, but I used it once to generate an XF86Config-4 file for a gentoo installation. It worked fine to my knowledge.
As for others, I like ksambaplugin for generating smb.conf files for samba. It has worked better than swat for me every time. Mandrake's Control Center worked well too, but that is obviously limited to mandrake.
I think sometimes the best generator is just copying someone elses file and modifying it. Setting up an XF86Config-4 file for use on a system with an nvidia card took a lot of time. Yeah, I could have read through the 400 page readme file, but I'm lazy and I still would have had trouble.
There is still a way to blame microsoft for this!!! I was getting a little worried there.
dictionary.com says it just means it can be shown by argument. And "reasonable" is subjective.
That gets to me..."Arguably"...one can argue anything! "Windows is arguably the best software written." "Bill Gates is arguably the best business man."
Well, wine doesn't have windows code in it. I'm sure it would be a lot easier for microsoft to make gtk and qt binaries run because those standards are open. I think this is a great attempt for microsoft to pull a java on the linux community. They'll have gtk.NET and qt.NET and pretty soon they won't run on linux.
This is the problem I see with getting people to try linux. People recommend Suse, Mandrake, or Fedora to newbies because it's easy to set up and use. But once they want to update or install a program not offered by those companies in a nice package it becomes a pain. I'll take mandrake 10 as an example. I can not update kde by using something like apt or portage. Last night I upgraded from KDE 3.2.2 to 3.2.3 (yeah I know, why?). To do this I had to uninstall all the packages that had to do with kde, restart X into icewm, and install all of the new binaries. Now mandrake doesn't offer binaries of kde 3.2.3. Luckily I got them from richardlinux.net who offeres URPMI access so I can still use mandrake's URPMI. It took a few attempts of removing all the old packages to take care of the conflicts. I eventually got it, but I still have to reinstall things like xine and some others.
Now on gentoo or debian, it would have been a simple command to type. It would take a while to compile, but I could just let that sit overnight and throughout my day at work and come home to kde 3.2.3 all set up.
Where am I going with this?
The distros that are usually thought to be more difficult to install are debian and gentoo, however their packaging system is great. However the distros that are easy and quick to set up have bad or outdated or very incomplete packaging systems (mandrake) and so you can't use them.
I've been using linux exclusively now for a few
months. I put gentoo on an older system to get a feel for it and it's not that hard to set up. I intend to put gentoo on the computer with mandrake mostly because of their easier packaging system.
It's just ironic that the easy distros are a pain once you get them going and the hard distros are easy once you get them going. It's a double edge sword. I hope these anoying rpm based distros will get together and either create a standard packaging system or just duplicate apt or portage.
You don't need hundreds of companies to sustain competition. A handful of good companies competing for the same customers will do fine. Most industries are like this. Cars, electronics, game consoles, computer manufacturers, etc. The good companies will stay afloat because they produce quality products and/or have good management. The software engineers from these failing companies will have to go somewhere. The good ones can go to a larger company and prosper and the ones that aren't good can find another career. This is just a small shakedown in the grand scheme of the industry, but it could help. I'd rather see just a few companies compete. Look how well that's turned out between KDE and Gnome and Microsoft, or OpenOffice (Sun) and Microsoft, or Mozilla and Microsoft. I could go on (and on with microsoft) but you get the idea. Besides, larger companies have the muscle to initiate standards which is what computing boils down to regulate and ensure competition.
As long as there are several companies, competition can flurish.
I brought it up because 10 people (including you, perhaps) would have brought up the gimp as if I've never heard of it. I was hoping to avoid the typical "well why the hell don't you use gimp" responses that quickly surface whenever someone mentions photoshop and linux in the same post.
I read how a lot of people have photoshop 7 pirated. This is hands down the best program for it's task. The gimp is slower and it's interface sucks. That's my opinion and don't waste your breath on a flameware. Anyway, piracy has helped photoshop, in my opinion. All those teenagers interested in graphic arts start learning by downloading photoshop, 3d studio max, flash mx, etc. When they go to work for a company, they are hired because they already are very familiar with the software. If adobe and the others made it very difficult to pirate, people would become familiar with another program and their employers would want them using that. I think these companies should relax about the teenager pirating software and focus prevention of piracy at the corporate level.
And these numbers were probably based on if everyone actually was going to buy the software. Most people who have photoshop wouldn't have shelled out $700, however their employers are happy they are experts on it and they pay for it.
Good to hear. I finally got a 2.6.7 kernel going in mandrake. It maybe the feeling of accomplishment going after trying to get this going for a while, but it seems faster. If you have any tips on installing gentoo on the dell please let me know. I've been googling and most sites say there's not much too it. Basically if you came across any hicups and solutions I'd appriciate it. Since I got kernel 2.6.7 working I figure setting up the kernel should be a piece of cake. I figure I could just copy over my XF86Config-4 file and smb.conf file and most of the installation headaches are solved. Getting those two files took a little work and I'd prefer not to have to build them from scratch...ever!
Thanks for the tip. I enabled the preloading and I guess I'll have to restart kde for it to take effect. I'm recompiling the kernel now. I've had trouble getting a kernel compiled on this machine. It comes with a 2.6.3 variant and the updates they release are all based on that. I tried compiling it on a 2.6.7 kernel and that had trouble because I couldn't get firewire loaded. I figured when I switch to gentoo I'll worry about kernel 2.6.7. I got that kernel straight from kernel.org so maybe that's the problem. And according to hdparm, dma is enabled. I'm running kde 3.2.2 from binaries I downloaded from a 3rd party compiled for mandrake and made into rpms. I didn't notice any speed increase or decrease from 3.2. This source now has 3.2.3 available and I might switch over or I might just try to compile from scratch. But I think I'll save that headache for portage when I switch to gentoo.
Mandrake has been a great distro to get my feet wet, but speed is a big issue, as is software management which gentoo does nicely.
I'm running mandrake 10 on a dell inspiron 8200 laptop. It's running a 1.8 ghz p4 with 512 mb of ram. Simply launching konqueror takes a few seconds and a good amount of hard drive thrashing as it loads. Sometimes it's so slow I see each icon as it loads up. Now I've heard mandrake is slow and I am planning on switching to gentoo. I installed gentoo from stage 1 on an older machine and it was pretty easy so I intend on making the switch soon enough on my main computer that I use everyday. So responses might just say to make the switch and you'll see lightning speed. I'm hoping for that, but I'm a little skeptical. So there's the example with as much information I feel is needed.
Is there any knews of this being faster? I've been annoyed that kde is slower than windows. Yeah, it looks nice, but most of those visual enhancements are from nice 2D graphics. I like kde because it has more basic programs than light WM's like fluxbox, but it's still kinda slow. They seem to be taking the microsoft route. Add features before making it faster and more stable. It's ironic where this is headed.
I want to see this XF86Config-4 file. I hope they didn't try to take advantage of the TV-OUT.
what about konqueror integration in KDE?
and I thought the gentoo handbook was a long read.
This guy is right. People here make anti-microsoft claims just for the karma. Rarely are they backed up with any credible evidence. It's a shame to see a good discussion revolve around some jerk who should me modded down as "-1, Jumped on the Bandwagon"
If you like microsoft then use them. If not, then don't. And btw, I use gentoo, but I only say that not to get modded down as an ms fanboy because that's how some will read this.