Our shop is mostly Solaris (8) and RHEL with Oracle 9i. We're currently looking at upgrading our Solaris boxes to Solaris 10.
The problem? Oracle 9i is not supported on Solaris 10. It's supported on RHEL and earlier versions of Solaris.
So at the moment, it's not doable for us. But from the tinkering I've done with Solaris 10, it's actually pretty cool. I've got it running on an Ultra 10 under my desk and have been evaluating ot for a couple of months now. I'll tell you it's much lighter than previous Solaris versions (well, 7 on. 2.6 was pretty zippy in comparison later versions).
Sometimes it's tough to stick to your principles. However, in the long run it is always better not to compromise on your beliefs.
Yeah, but RedHat? Gadz, just think of all the problems people have when they go out and get rpms and try to install them. There's so many different flavos of RedHat rpms floating around I would think it would be nothing but trouble for the users.
I wonder why they wouldn't consider Ubuntu? Synaptic is dead simple and doesn't really allow for package errors. I say this as a fairly hardcore rpm kinda guy.
Wow. That's a big load you shot there. Feel better?
The "unix culture" can and has changed over the years. Not everybody has the need or the time, for that matter, to learn LaTeX or SQL.
There's absolutely nothing wrong with using a well-designed GUI to do work. The fact that decent hardware is so inexpensive now makes your "able to run on the simplest hardware" pretty much a moot point.
f MS buys AOL, the slashdot readers who hate MS win, because I don't think that even MS could survive that acquisition (look what it did to Time Warner). What are they thinking?
AOL purchased TIme Warner, not the other way around.
But all the distros I've tried so far have had hardware issues that I consider pretty fundamental to a desktop. RedHat - getting nvidia graphics installed to run Doom3. SuSE - intermittent sound and wifi issues. Ubuntu - screen resolution issues, sound issues, unremembered wifi config. (Knoppix is next, fingers crossed.)
Sigh...
Look, if you had just regular WinXP SP2 media, you'd run into the very same issues when loading the OS. You pretty much have to go out and get drivers for anything non-vanilla (try loading XP on a widescreen laptop sometime).
I really wish people would stop saying Linux needs to "Just Work" when, in fact, it doesn't "Just Work" with Windows either.
It was their horrible support. Anytime an update was done something broke. And you'd get the standard "send the diag output" only to never hear from them again.
real estate, thus bringing the real estate market back up to its actual value (though over its value in certain areas).
Do you really think so? Even when you get away from the coasts, real estate has skyrocketed. Two years ago a friend of mine bought a fixer upper in the Phoenix metro area. Not a high-dollar area. Two years later thde house is worth 92,000 more. I can't see that type of hike continuing. At some point it has to come crashing back down to what the house is truly worth.
Granted, that's just one example, but I don't think it's all that unique.
In Europe you cannot conquer the Desktop market with Gnome.
Not so long ago, everyone in the US was saying that Suse would never amount to anything. It has since grown amazingly fast in use in the US. So much so, that some companies are choosing to port first to Suse, then to RedHat (Polyserve comes to mind).
Never say never. Things have a tendency to change.
And based on what I see I think I will drop out of consideration any Novell products for the foreseeable future. I do not like seagulls.
That's a pretty myopic view. Aside from standardizing on Gnome, do you really have any other gripes with what Novell has done with Linux? They've actually done a lot to free previously non-free software.
I do, actually. I also think Macs should be considered a large enough segment to interest them. As it stands, for all the apps they offer, you need XP/IE5+. The only app on their site that could remotely be considered cross-platform would be Google Talk. And all they really do is give you instructions on how to connect to their Jabbber network via native Mac/Linux clients.
You assume that OSS apps are, in fact, high quality compared to closed-source ones. In reality, there are high-quality and low-quality OSS apps, and high-quality and low-quality closed-source apps. Maybe we shouldn't worry about the most effective way to convince people of something that isn't even true.
This, by the way, is probably the most important reason I choose to pay Novell for their Suse distro. I get a decent desktop without any fuss. Are there completely free versions of things like Java, PDF reader, Flash, Real, Mp3, etc? Sure. But they're still not up to par with the commercial versions included. I think it's important to consider that there can be a balance and synergy between both OSS and commercial. It doesn't have to be one or the other.
Who needs Windows when you can use Office, MSN, etc. FROM FIREFOX (under Linux)
Eh. I would have sat up and taken notice a couple of years ago. But you know what? There are open source apps that deal quite nicely with everything now. OO.org 2 deals with pretty much everything I throw at it these days. And what exactly is MSN that can't be had elsewhere on the net?
News flash, the only people who complain about Google are the evil corporate masters that you're also supposedly railing against.
I bitch about Google enough as a user, and I suspect I'm not alone. You see, I don't use WinXP. They have a couple of really good apps that I'd love to see ported to open platforms, Picassa and Google Earth being two worth mentioning.
It's all well and good to say that Google's pro-open source, but when they fail to actually deliver the cool apps to an open platform, what does that say, exactly?
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Our shop is mostly Solaris (8) and RHEL with Oracle 9i. We're currently looking at upgrading our Solaris boxes to Solaris 10.
The problem? Oracle 9i is not supported on Solaris 10. It's supported on RHEL and earlier versions of Solaris.
So at the moment, it's not doable for us. But from the tinkering I've done with Solaris 10, it's actually pretty cool. I've got it running on an Ultra 10 under my desk and have been evaluating ot for a couple of months now. I'll tell you it's much lighter than previous Solaris versions (well, 7 on. 2.6 was pretty zippy in comparison later versions).
Check out a product called BladeLogic. It does that and more for several platforms.
All three platforms covered.
Yeah, but RedHat? Gadz, just think of all the problems people have when they go out and get rpms and try to install them. There's so many different flavos of RedHat rpms floating around I would think it would be nothing but trouble for the users.
I wonder why they wouldn't consider Ubuntu? Synaptic is dead simple and doesn't really allow for package errors. I say this as a fairly hardcore rpm kinda guy.
The "unix culture" can and has changed over the years. Not everybody has the need or the time, for that matter, to learn LaTeX or SQL.
There's absolutely nothing wrong with using a well-designed GUI to do work. The fact that decent hardware is so inexpensive now makes your "able to run on the simplest hardware" pretty much a moot point.
Uh...
Mountain View isn't in England. It's in California, dude. They don't say "fancy" there. Unless, of course, they're after the British tourists.
AOL purchased TIme Warner, not the other way around.
More like...
OMGLOLU2!!!?????
Sigh...
Look, if you had just regular WinXP SP2 media, you'd run into the very same issues when loading the OS. You pretty much have to go out and get drivers for anything non-vanilla (try loading XP on a widescreen laptop sometime).
I really wish people would stop saying Linux needs to "Just Work" when, in fact, it doesn't "Just Work" with Windows either.
Why not? He was stating an opinion, nothing more.
Controlling a process and stating an opinion are two entirely different things.'
You must not be in corporate America. Bosses laugh at you derisively all the time.
Thank god I have the type of boss that, while practicing the above-mentioned behaviour, can take it as well as give it.
That's because it's... Thursday. The last time something like that happened was on a Wednesday.
It was their horrible support. Anytime an update was done something broke. And you'd get the standard "send the diag output" only to never hear from them again.
Do you really think so? Even when you get away from the coasts, real estate has skyrocketed. Two years ago a friend of mine bought a fixer upper in the Phoenix metro area. Not a high-dollar area. Two years later thde house is worth 92,000 more. I can't see that type of hike continuing. At some point it has to come crashing back down to what the house is truly worth.
Granted, that's just one example, but I don't think it's all that unique.
I personally like the underlying BSD, but don't much care for the GUI. It's just not how I'm used to working.
My guess is to primarily continue development of a top-notch server which would net them some cash, second a decent desktop.
Not so long ago, everyone in the US was saying that Suse would never amount to anything. It has since grown amazingly fast in use in the US. So much so, that some companies are choosing to port first to Suse, then to RedHat (Polyserve comes to mind).
Never say never. Things have a tendency to change.
That's a pretty myopic view. Aside from standardizing on Gnome, do you really have any other gripes with what Novell has done with Linux? They've actually done a lot to free previously non-free software.
Suse Pro is no more. It has become Opensuse.
What's left for commercial offerings are SLES and Novell Desktop.
(I'll leave it to you to decide whether I meant that as a good or bad thing)
I do, actually. I also think Macs should be considered a large enough segment to interest them. As it stands, for all the apps they offer, you need XP/IE5+. The only app on their site that could remotely be considered cross-platform would be Google Talk. And all they really do is give you instructions on how to connect to their Jabbber network via native Mac/Linux clients.
This, by the way, is probably the most important reason I choose to pay Novell for their Suse distro. I get a decent desktop without any fuss. Are there completely free versions of things like Java, PDF reader, Flash, Real, Mp3, etc? Sure. But they're still not up to par with the commercial versions included. I think it's important to consider that there can be a balance and synergy between both OSS and commercial. It doesn't have to be one or the other.
Eh. I would have sat up and taken notice a couple of years ago. But you know what? There are open source apps that deal quite nicely with everything now. OO.org 2 deals with pretty much everything I throw at it these days. And what exactly is MSN that can't be had elsewhere on the net?
I bitch about Google enough as a user, and I suspect I'm not alone. You see, I don't use WinXP. They have a couple of really good apps that I'd love to see ported to open platforms, Picassa and Google Earth being two worth mentioning.
It's all well and good to say that Google's pro-open source, but when they fail to actually deliver the cool apps to an open platform, what does that say, exactly?
Some NBC afiliates already do as well. The SF bay area NBC (in SJ) does. They pay a lot too.