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Google Desktop 2 Live

An anonymous reader writes "Combining desktop search and the Google Sidebar, Google Desktop 2 is now available for download. Dozens of new third-party sidebar panels are now available, Google said. Also launched was Google Desktop for Enterprise (free)."

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  1. Intergration Is Key To Adoption by Real+World+Stuff · · Score: 1, Insightful

    The tranparency of the Apps over the OS are even more relevant. Google is a company of "must haves", and the stock price at 385 and strong reflects this.

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    1. Re:Intergration Is Key To Adoption by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the stock price at 385 and strong reflects this.

      To me its a stock bubble waiting to happen. competition is growing quickly and googles main marketshare along with search technology is going to be equal if not bested by yahoo and microsoft someday. The pagerank algorithm had its good times, but this company is NOT worth as much as cisco, and other top technology players. It is however worth $100-200 a share.. people I am afraid are getting ahead of themselfs.
       
      Oh and if the bubble does burst the google guys will be laughing all the way to the bank because they are all millionares already anyways.

    2. Re:Intergration Is Key To Adoption by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh, the sweet spyware! I must install everything the Google produces, because I am a fucking Google-fanboi !

      Isn't Larry Page just about the cutes and horniest looking fagot in the Googleverse ?

      <3 <3 GoOgLe <3 <3

  2. On my Mac right now... by MadChicken · · Score: 3, Funny

    Can I insall it vicariously?

    Anyone?

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    1. Re:On my Mac right now... by beisbol · · Score: 1

      yeah, for a "microsoft killer" they seem to love releasing windows only software.

    2. Re:On my Mac right now... by anti-trojan · · Score: 3, Interesting

      That's purely logical. They are bombarding people with Google apps running on Windows (Google Talk, Gmail notifier, Google Desktop, soon a Google Browser and Google Office Applications). You are getting used to them.

      Next year when they say "you are using all Google-applications on your Windows anyway. Why don't you just download our GoogleOS preloaded with those applications (and more) and save money instead of paying to Microsoft", more people will say "sure, why not."

    3. Re:On my Mac right now... by ForumTroll · · Score: 4, Funny

      More speculation about a GoogleOS....

      Google Fanboy: They made an email app, a desktop search bar and an IM client, HOW COULD THEY NOT BE MAKING AN OS????

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    4. Re:On my Mac right now... by mh101 · · Score: 1

      OSX really doesn't even need Google Desktop. It's a great thing for Windows as it adds functionality that isn't already there.

      I have a Mac at home, and have Google Desktop installed on my PC at work. In my opinion Spotlight is much better than GD for searching. At least with GD2, I was pleased at some of the changes they made that made it more Spotlight-like.

      As for that sidebar thing, me and one other guy at work used GD and upgraded to GD2 back when it came out months ago, and the first thing both of us did was turn the sidebar off since both of thought it was just a useless waste of valuable screen real estate (YMMV of course... just because I find it useless doesn't mean there's not plenty of people who love it). But back to my GD to OSX comparison... Looks like you could accomplish the same sort of thing with Dashboard and all the oodles of widgets available for it.

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    5. Re:On my Mac right now... by Overly+Critical+Guy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      A GoogleOS ain't happening. Why would Google waste resources when Microsoft and Apple are perfectly happy providing client operating systems and browsers for accessing Google's REAL operating system--the Web?

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    6. Re:On my Mac right now... by astrosmash · · Score: 1

      Considering that most of the new features in Google Desktop 2.0 were pilfered directly from Spotlight, I'd say you already have it.

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    7. Re:On my Mac right now... by Skreems · · Score: 1

      Exactly. Operating systems are difficult as hell. Google is, if anything, making applications that will run on the existing "OS" of HTML, Javascript, and xml. It's as useful on any machine, no matter what "true OS" you use, and it doesn't cost them a dime... all their efforts can be devoted to the applications on top of it, which is where the money comes from.

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    8. Re:On my Mac right now... by zephc · · Score: 3, Funny

      Not til they port emacs, THEN it will be an OS

      *ahem*

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    9. Re:On my Mac right now... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I just have to ask: does wine run on OSX86 yet?

    10. Re:On my Mac right now... by emc · · Score: 3, Funny

      Not til they port emacs, THEN it will be an POS

      I fixed that for you.

      You can thank me later.

    11. Re:On my Mac right now... by garreth · · Score: 1
    12. Re:On my Mac right now... by bcmm · · Score: 2, Funny

      Oh God. Their going to use Windows for it, but all the apps will be from Google. Kind of like GNU/Linux: it'll be Google/NT.

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    13. Re:On my Mac right now... by wolrahnaes · · Score: 1

      yes

      works nicely, actually.

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    14. Re:On my Mac right now... by Fred_A · · Score: 1

      It's still lacking "Google Nukem forever" as well. I'm starting to wonder if it isn't vaporware.

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    15. Re:On my Mac right now... by koekepeer · · Score: 1

      Next year when they say "you are using all Google-applications on your Windows anyway. Why don't you just download our GoogleOS preloaded with those applications (and more) and save money instead of paying to Microsoft", more people will say "sure, why not."

      since MS is the biggest target and competitor, of course they rush to make their applications work on windows/browser machines. the smaller niches will probably follow (mac, linux, whatever), especially when hey gain market share.

      in the end, the web is the OS. i don't think that there will be a GGL (google - gnu - linux) anytime soon. why would they do this?

    16. Re:On my Mac right now... by MadChicken · · Score: 1

      Uh, no thanks, but that avenue's already taken care of.

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    17. Re:On my Mac right now... by MadChicken · · Score: 1

      I don't have Tiger. I do have Quicksilver, though both its functionality and Spotlight's are a little different from GD. Dashboard might be a better analog (Though I don't have that either)

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    18. Re:On my Mac right now... by hey! · · Score: 1

      Practically done, after they implement the TECO interpreter in javascript.

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    19. Re:On my Mac right now... by LordEd · · Score: 2, Funny

      Not til they port emacs, THEN it will be an POS

      Emacs has a point of sale plug-in now?

    20. Re:On my Mac right now... by IdleTime · · Score: 1

      If you are a Google Executive type and have seen the money flowing into your account and then stop 5 minutes and take a look at Bill Gates 60.000+ SqFt house outside Seattle and the numbers on the Forbes list of the 100 richest persons, you look at the OS and ask "Why not? There are BILLIONS to be made..."

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    21. Re:On my Mac right now... by GungaDan · · Score: 1

      "The web is the OS" --> not until my BIOS gives me a "boot from google" option.

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    22. Re:On my Mac right now... by hobbesx · · Score: 1

      That's just it though- I think if Google makes an OS, it'll be a browser- a small, fast, clean, easily extendable, and bootable. Heck, make it available as a net-boot image or something like it. All they need first as some more web-apps that are common to everybody.

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  3. Uh, hasn't it been out since August? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    I could swear I've got installed already.

    1. Re:Uh, hasn't it been out since August? by Rayaru · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but apparantly it came out of "beta" status now.

    2. Re:Uh, hasn't it been out since August? by aaza · · Score: 3, Funny
      Yeah, but apparantly it came out of "beta" status now.

      Wait, are you saying that something Google released is out of beta?

      (No I didn't read the article, and I find it amusing that almost nothing from Google ever makes it out of beta)

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    3. Re:Uh, hasn't it been out since August? by gmplague · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Yeah, while I realize you're joking, I actually really like it.

      Google probably wouldn't release most of these products at all were it not for the Google labs/beta pages. They've got people writing interesting software which maybe isn't mass marketable but is still neat nonetheless.

      Even if the software is really stable, they keep it in beta. They don't have to pay to support it, so they can keep it out there. I like it.

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    4. Re:Uh, hasn't it been out since August? by aaza · · Score: 1
      Thank you for noticing I was joking - I was going for funny mods.

      I actually do like Google, and some of the stuff I have seen from them is pretty cool, actually. I have a gmail account, I use their search, I have used Google Calculator functions on search (if that's what it's called).

      In short, they do really cool stuff, and release it for free.

      Pure speculation, but do the guy and gals at GoogleLabs have conversations like this:
      Programmer 1: Hey wouldn't it be cool if we could #####
      Programmer 2: That would be awesome. Completely useless to the general public, but a few geeks would love it
      Programmer 1: Lets do it, just to see if we can. If we release it Beta, it doesn't really matter if it works.
      Programmer 2: Yeah, lets do it!

      To the Google guys: Keep up the good work.

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    5. Re:Uh, hasn't it been out since August? by waterlogged · · Score: 1

      I just amazes me that what Google refer's to as "Beta" is usually leaps and bounds above what others consider "Mature". Its just a refreshing change from what we are shoveled from most other software outlets.

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    6. Re:Uh, hasn't it been out since August? by rm69990 · · Score: 1

      Last I checked, Google trademarked the word "Beta"

    7. Re:Uh, hasn't it been out since August? by Raztus · · Score: 1

      This is still an update to that version, and it now includes the one feature I wished for before..."Stay on top of other windows". This lets me have the sidebar always open, without permanently using my screen real-estate, or having to set it to auto hide and having it pop out unexpectedly when scrolling. Well done Google.

    8. Re:Uh, hasn't it been out since August? by shish · · Score: 1
      Wait, are you saying that something Google released is out of beta?

      Only the english version, all the other languages are still marked as beta :/

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    9. Re:Uh, hasn't it been out since August? by Fred_A · · Score: 1

      Google removing "beta" from one of its products is a bit like Apple removing the "i" in front of one of its macs or pods or whatever. IMO it's a bad move, it will hurt the brand recognition.

      Who wants a pod when you can have an iPod ?
      Who wants a Gogle Desktop when you can have a Google Desktop Beta ?
      (see the difference ?)
      And it fits in better with your Gmail Beta, your Google Maps Beta and your Google Futon Beta.

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    10. Re:Uh, hasn't it been out since August? by anhdres · · Score: 1

      The firefox tool bar is out of beta since 22/9 and also the famous google maps.

    11. Re:Uh, hasn't it been out since August? by dwayner79 · · Score: 1

      Yes, It is called 20% time. They can do anything they want, no questions asked as long as it "betters the company". Companies like google will take over the world, and the should with that type of attitude.

      **goes back to writing code dreaming about 20% time**

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  4. wrong. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Interesting

    "Dozens of third party plugins now avaliable"

    i dont see "dozens of third party plugins". most of these plugins have been around for a long time already.

    1. Re:wrong. by Masami+Eiri · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You seem to miss the meaning of "Now Available." They never said "new" in there anywhere.

    2. Re:wrong. by sturat · · Score: 1
      You seem to miss the meaning of "Now Available." They never said "new" in there anywhere.


      Yeah, like just today I was driving by a car yard that had a sign "Used cars! Now available with four wheels!!"

  5. Google (tm) Air by MandoSKippy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Breath fresh Google Air (tm) as you drive you your Google (tm) Car will sipping on your Google(tm) latte while... And we are worried about Microsoft?

    1. Re:Google (tm) Air by aaza · · Score: 2, Interesting

      But Google says Do no evil. Where does it say that for Microsoft?

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    2. Re:Google (tm) Air by the-amazing-blob · · Score: 1

      at least in your future they haven't trademarked verbs.

      I still believe it's too early to start putting on the tin foil hats.

    3. Re:Google (tm) Air by devilsadvoc8 · · Score: 2, Funny

      It means we don't need to fear the monsterous offspring of a Google/Microsoft copulation.

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    4. Re:Google (tm) Air by NanoGator · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I imagine it won't be much longer before it becomes fashionable to hate Google around here. Judging from your post and the subsequent moderation to it, it's already started to happen.

      That's not to say I think your concern is unfounded. Actually I agree with you. I still can't believe how often I hear their corporate tag-line parroted any time somebody criticizes Google's growth. "Google's getting pretty big!" "Yeah but they do no evil!" Heh.

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    5. Re:Google (tm) Air by Omestes · · Score: 3, Insightful

      What nasty thing has Google done, yet?

      I LIKE Google, and don't see how this service can make them suddenly evil? Look, we made a desktop search app, and a bunch of other really neat gagdets! And all we ask of you is to look at an ad that might actually be interested from time to time! That sounds pretty vile, much more vile than Microsoft.

      I guess, though, unlike most /monkeys I need an actual reason to hate a company, not just the fact that they are big, and most people use them. MS does nasty things, Google hasn't yet, and that is enough for me.

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    6. Re:Google (tm) Air by miffo.swe · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Google is into search technology, Microsoft is into everything profitable in the desktop market. They sell a bunch of other things like Xbox, keyboards, mice etc. Google is into open source, Microsoft wants its head on a silver platter. Microsoft has been convicted atleast two times for being a predatory monopoly and has bought itself free from countless of charges and trials. Microsoft is working hard at killing any competition or startups threating to bring new cool stuff Microsoft doesnt have. This while Google is working even harder at bringing new products and just ignores the competition. Microsoft has not exactly been an catalysator for the desktop development. Without Apple we would still be using something like Windows 3.1.

      Ill think ill take my chances with Google (tm) air thank you.

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    7. Re:Google (tm) Air by miffo.swe · · Score: 2, Interesting

      "I guess, though, unlike most /monkeys I need an actual reason to hate a company, not just the fact that they are big, and most people use them."

      If you havent noticed /. is pretty much under seige by Microsofties and astroturfers. Not many dislike google since they have done nothing wrong yet. Except ofcourse your average MS fanboy who hates everything that MS hates. It would be a sweet task to break down the visitors IP and do some tracking. I suspect a fair number of google hating IP goes to MS VARs, partners or Redmond.

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    8. Re:Google (tm) Air by IANAAC · · Score: 1
      They say a lot of things, like any other company. The proof is in the pudding.

      (I'll leave it to you to decide whether I meant that as a good or bad thing)

    9. Re:Google (tm) Air by lunax · · Score: 2, Funny

      yeah but:
      gAir would smell fresh with the ocasional seafood aroma. MS-Air would have the essence of stale dog crap. The gCar would produce gAir as it's exhaust, and as we all know the MS-Car would crash and get broken into easily. gLatte amd MS-Latte would actually be re-branded Starbucks, but nobody would know that.

    10. Re:Google (tm) Air by osbjmg · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'm down with google too.. but what about the other big company out there (Uncle Sam) asking google for all these nicely documented users, er - citizens? They may be forced to hand over information that the government hasn't been able to correlate. Google stores it all, they don't have a policy for deleting old data and that is the main problem for me anyway.

    11. Re:Google (tm) Air by mhale2243 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The fundamental reason I like Google and dislike Microsoft is that I like being a Google customer their stuff works well for me. Microsoft on the other hand frequently frustrates me.

      You could say apples and oranges, Google only makes simple little search engines, while Microsoft makes operating systems and office suites. However it is possible for any company to release a product that they don't sufficiently understand no matter what the size. Microsoft simply bit off too much to maintain greatness, while Google has steadily build upon what they know how to do best. That is why I am excited about Microsoft's plan to build Singularity from scratch. Maybe they will start small and build on success instead of trying to be the world.

    12. Re:Google (tm) Air by ergo98 · · Score: 2, Funny

      If you havent noticed /. is pretty much under seige by Microsofties and astroturfers. Not many dislike google since they have done nothing wrong yet. Except ofcourse your average MS fanboy who hates everything that MS hates.

      Are you kidding? This place is overflowing with Google juice, with endless ranks of Google fanboys falling over themselves to praise whatever it is that Google has done lately to push ads more intrusively into our lives. I find it remarkable that an argument that "all Google wants is to feed you ads" can be stated with a straight face. Isn't this the crowd that demonized Doubleclick to the ends of the Earth? So what makes Google so different from Doubleclick? Oh, right - they use Linux so they must be good.

      So keep on believing that whoever isn't drinking the Google coolaid is secretly a Microsoft astroturfer.

    13. Re:Google (tm) Air by NanoGator · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      "I suspect a fair number of google hating IP goes to MS VARs, partners or Redmond."

      I can't speak for the rest of the 'Google Haters', but I think I've probably been labeled as one by now. It is common for people to be characterized/stereotyped/grouped into simple simple names. I don't hate Google, but I have expressed caution at their growth. The bigger they get, the more money they need. The more money they need, the greater the likelihood they'll do something the average Slashdotter will describe as 'evil'.

      This sort of cautionary tale does not require hatred of Google or love of Microsoft. Google has services a lot of us rely on. Google makes money from advertising. Google has competition. Google had stockholders who want money. Amazingly, lots of people around here are grabbing their ankles over Google without a care in the world. For all the 'sky is falling!' preminitions around here, that one just simply went through.

      In any event, don't assume I hate Google or love Microsoft or pop a woody over karma, I'm just suggesting you cover your ass.

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    14. Re:Google (tm) Air by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What nasty thing has Google done, yet?

      Altering the content of archived Usenet posts without the author's permission, for one.

    15. Re:Google (tm) Air by char1iecha1k · · Score: 1

      They are displaying bully-boy tactics towards a UK firm who have actually just recently successfully prevented Google from using gmail as an email address as it is Gmail's registered name.

      http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/4354954.stm/

      I Like Google and if it this were M$ they probably wouldt have stopped at this point!

    16. Re:Google (tm) Air by simong_oz · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Google is into search technology, Microsoft is into everything profitable in the desktop market.

      Google is a company, they exist to make profit for their shareholders.
      Microsoft is a company, they exist to make profit for their shareholders.

      They may use different strategies to make the profit, but to think otherwise is being naive IMO.

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    17. Re:Google (tm) Air by Omestes · · Score: 1

      It's late/early, so I'll be short, and hopefully coherent. Though the latter is doubtful.

      Being that your replying to someone who is complaining of MS fanboys, I find this encouraging for the /. crowd. I think that there is a mix, though the MS kids are "slightly" outnumbered by the Linux/Google geeks, and might come close to the number of Apple geeks, though are over shadowed in zealotry. Nice to know they exist though, good to have a mix.

      As for Google vs. Doubleclick. Doubleclick is JUST ads, large flashy ones that track your movements. Google is little inobtrusive targeted ones, that DON'T track your movement. Doubleclick sells their information, Google doesn't (and I'm guessing won't).

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    18. Re:Google (tm) Air by Andrewkov · · Score: 1
      Define "Evil".

      Is Google's definition the same as ours? Or can that definition change over time?

    19. Re:Google (tm) Air by Fred_A · · Score: 1

      I've got the same problem.
      I find all the stuff that Google does quite interesting, their tools work well, their business model seems to hold for now, they appear to be the good guys so far, however they are storing an awful lot of stuff and it does make me a bit uncomfortable as well.

      They may not be doing anything weird with it right now, but nobody knows what the future holds and they could well be bought by some other entity in a few years.

      Of course, the same data they collected is still mostly there for anyone to grab (except for Usenet where I believe they're the only ones with a relatively complete archive), however they are the ones with the biggest hoard and the best tools at the moment (although the other search engines probably aren't far behind).

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    20. Re:Google (tm) Air by camt · · Score: 1

      Google is a company, they exist to make profit for their shareholders.
      Microsoft is a company, they exist to make profit for their shareholders.

      They may use different strategies to make the profit, but to think otherwise is being naive IMO.


      I don't think it is naive in the least bit to think otherwise. Who requires companies to funnel profits back to shareholders? Well, the shareholders do through elections of board members who will represent shareholder interests in setting policy and direction for the company. In Google's case, the top three at the company have a controlling share of the votes, and thus control of the board. If they have different goals than profit, then the other 47% of the votes be damned! There is no reason to think that they absolutely must be profit driven simply because they have shareholders.

    21. Re:Google (tm) Air by Arkaein · · Score: 1

      Yeah, their strategy to make a profit is to do good work. That's why it's important to support companies like Google. MS has shown they are perfectly willing to cripple a product in order to enforce lock in and future sales. That's why it's important to support companies other than MS.

      You're the naive one if you think that a quest for profits makes every company use equally moral strategies. They don't, and the marketplace is best served by supporting companies that take the high road. Google has been such a company so far, an that's why I support them in their endeavors. Once they start pushing people around the way MS does, then it's time for a change.

    22. Re:Google (tm) Air by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Has it ever occured to you, the narrowminded little monkey, that all the money is just a means to *MAKE THE FUCKING PROJECTS POSSIBLE* and not the other way around?

    23. Re:Google (tm) Air by freeweed · · Score: 1

      They may use different strategies to make the profit, but to think otherwise is being naive IMO.

      But that's ENTIRELY THE POINT.

      Unless you're equating profit with being evil.

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    24. Re:Google (tm) Air by thelexx · · Score: 1

      Go ahead and keep worrying about Google, who has done nothing wrong. The rest of us with a fucking clue will stay worried about MS.

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    25. Re:Google (tm) Air by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Go ahead and be an asshole. In fact, I'll join you, you jerk!

    26. Re:Google (tm) Air by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When you say that Google doesn't track your movement, you are being very naive.

      If you mean they don't put a cookie yet, well that's a good point. But google as the origination point of searches *and* the ads on many pages can track you better than might imagine, and they certainly keep logs that could be mined and improved.

      I don't think Google is evil (I plan to switch jobs to them in a couple months, actually) but don't keep your blinders on.

    27. Re:Google (tm) Air by freakmn · · Score: 1

      I wouldn't say that Google ignores their competition. Last I checked, when you search for an address in google.com, it allows you to view a map of the place in google maps, mapquest, or Yahoo Maps. That seems more like accepting that competition exists than merely ignoring it. This makes me think that they aren't going to be anticompetitive, for the most part.

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  6. But... by Jesselnz · · Score: 2, Funny

    Will it run on my NetBSD toaster?

  7. Looks interesting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Let me know when they come out with a Google Desktop gdesklet.

    1. Re:Looks interesting by Jack+Malmostoso · · Score: 1

      You should try Beagle. It is not quite there as GDS, but it works decently good for being a 0.1.1 release. Lovely piece of software.

  8. Slick... very slick by lamasquerade · · Score: 4, Informative

    I installed the original Desktop search, but since moving computers hadn't bothered to reinstall. I have just installed this new version and it is one very slick little app. I don't usually like giving up screen real-estate but I decided to try the sidebar and so far I'm impressed. I can see a lot I'll be able to use, not least the scratch pad instead of opening up notepad for one-liners. The to-do list is cool too - I know it sounds so simple, but my workload comes from two service desk queues, plus other projects, plus ad-hoc email requests - and I think just jotting down a few tasks to get done today in the morning might help organise things for the day rather than flitting about between tasks all day.

    As I said, some simple tools, but helpful, and well organised. As for the desktop search itself, we can now specify network drives to index which is really cool for the dis-organised mess of nested folders that is my corporate drive. Gmail search can't get through my firewall unfortunately. The News search is great, it seems to have figured out my habits from history - I haven't visited any news sites except slashdot since installing and it's already got some new stories from my favourite sites... Plus some seemingly random interesting maps and blogs... no doubt these will cancel out any gains to my productivity made by ease of finding things:)

    So all in all, first impression is a good one.

    btw, does anyone know a way to create a firefox keyword to search the with this? It seems to need a session id to work, but maybe there's a way round?

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    1. Re:Slick... very slick by binarybum · · Score: 1

      yes, I haven't installed it yet, but the ability to index network drives is absolutely key. great news!

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    2. Re:Slick... very slick by zhangyong · · Score: 1

      Just downloaded a beta2, not noticing anything it said update complete to my previous version, strangest update I ever had... Btw., my best experience is to add an windows media player ActiveX plugin to the panel, and I can listen to NPR radio or MP3 without being spotted by boss on my screen;-) ... well, I do have to wear an earphone, don't I?

    3. Re:Slick... very slick by ericmarshall · · Score: 2, Informative

      They have a plugin for searching Google Desktop from the Firefox search bar here.

    4. Re:Slick... very slick by TheGSRGuy · · Score: 1

      My laptop isn't a widescreen, so I don't have the screen area to give to the sidebar. This is why I don't use programs like Konfabulator, y'z dock, or anything else that sucks up pixels on the side of my screen.

    5. Re:Slick... very slick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      btw, does anyone know a way to create a firefox keyword to search the with this? It seems to need a session id to work, but maybe there's a way round?

      I just made a GDS "Quick Search" for Firefox. Here's what I did:
      1) Do a blank search with GDS in Firefox.
      2) Bookmark it and open up its properties page.
      3) The URL should look something like this --> http://127.0.0.1:4664/search&s=FGJsWAKx2-kWjzxnpdJ wgjkb5lU?q=&ie=UTF-8&btnG=Search
      4) Insert a "%s" after the "q=" in the URL.
      5) Enter something memorable in the Keyword box (I used "gd")
      6) Look here for clarification --> http://filebox.vt.edu/s/seiglert/images/clipboard0 1.jpg
      Now, whenever you want to search for something on your desktop in Firefox, just go to the Address bar, and type "gd" and whatever you want to search for! :-D

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    6. Re:Slick... very slick by jonom · · Score: 1

      Set the sidebar to auto-hide and then it only takes a couple of pixels at the edge of the screen.

    7. Re:Slick... very slick by Slashdiddly · · Score: 2, Informative

      Sorry, but I have to disagree with you there.

      Today was my first experience with GDS. (I never installed the first version because it didn't support any of the file formats that I cared about.)

      I did NOT want it to index my mail (I already use gmail)
      I did NOT want it to index my web history (there could be dangerous things hiding in there)
      I did NOT want it to index my C: drive (I don't store any data there)

      All I wanted to do was to index one folder - my ebook collection. Mostly pdf and chm.

      Getting GDS to index only a specific folder requires an extension!
      Getting it to index chm requires yet another extension.
      Getting it to actually get on with the damn indexing requires you to sit quietly and wait until idle trigger kicks in - with no way to force it (that I could find). 3 hours later it has only indexed less than 200 books.
      Search results are poor. Searching for "snort" shows "Mastering FreeBSD and OpenBSD Security" ahead of "Snort Cookbook". I can do better with filename-based searching!

      Very underwhelmed...

    8. Re:Slick... very slick by bloodstains · · Score: 2, Informative

      I am not impressed at all.

      First of all, on the preferences page, I clicked on the "Advanced Features" link to see what exactly these advanced features were. This checked the "Advanced Features" checkbox and immediately forwarded me to a page that explained that I would be sending usage info to google. No other info was available there. So, it appears that the "advanced feature" option is a synonym for an "enable spyware" option. No other benefits are explained.

      Secondly, I get these obnoxious pop ups when new mail arrives, which duplicates the functionality of Outlook 2003 to no benefit. There is no option to turn it off on the preferences page that I can see. There is a preferences page that you can access from the pop-up window, unfortunately though, changes I make there don't get saved.

      My last complaint is only due to me trying to give the software a fair chance. My inclination is to uninstall it now, but I figured I would let it finish indexing and run a few searches. Who knows, I may be impressed, but the indexing is taking forever. and I'm about ready to give up on it.

  9. Re:Yes but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    With a dash of wine while crossing over the office, perhaps it can!

  10. Uh-oh Google farted! by 0xdeaddead · · Score: 4, Funny
    Keep those press release comming! If it ain't SCO, SCOX, its gotta be Google!

    I needs my fix already!

    Now if google would do something with Natilie Portman.........

    1. Re:Uh-oh Google farted! by Turn-X+Alphonse · · Score: 1
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    2. Re:Uh-oh Google farted! by birge · · Score: 1

      Thank GOD I hit that link while I was at home and not at work...

    3. Re:Uh-oh Google farted! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Absolutely fucking amazing... Will somebody here PLEASE explain to me how Google knows to filter the porn out of images when you click "SafeSearch"? It never occured to me before, but it's pretty amazing that they have a computer program that can recognize a doctored picture of Portman getting a facial and one of her simply posing demurely and semi-nude but with everything covered. How is this act of technical genius never mentioned around here? Automated porn detection is impressive as hell.

      If only they had a button which would ONLY return porn. Obviously, they can do it since it's just a logical set operation. I'm surprised no smart hacker has figured out how to use the Google Image search to find porn by doing two identical searches, one with Safe on and with with it off and then taking the difference of the two sets...

  11. Not Exactly Desktop Yet by superpulpsicle · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It has a couple functions but to call it a desktop is way too early. The question is when will Google stop riding the bear. "Requires Windows XP or Windows 2000 SP 3+".

    1. Re:Not Exactly Desktop Yet by putko · · Score: 1

      Well I guess RiscOS and OpenBSD users will just have to wait then, won't they?

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    2. Re:Not Exactly Desktop Yet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "The Bear will hang itself with Google's rope" or something like that...

    3. Re:Not Exactly Desktop Yet by Phoinix · · Score: 1

      Its FREE

      They can call it a SPace SHip and still be right

    4. Re:Not Exactly Desktop Yet by rpdillon · · Score: 1

      What? It's called desktop because it is Google [for the] Desktop...i.e. NOT Google on the web. The point is that it is used to search your desktop. Not that it IS the desktop.

      On the Windows front, well, yeah, I'm kind of wondering when they'll release a version for my OS.

    5. Re:Not Exactly Desktop Yet by fprintf · · Score: 1

      It is unfortunate. I am still running Windows 98 here and would love to try it.

      Oh, you probably meant when will it run non-MS software. D'oh!

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    6. Re:Not Exactly Desktop Yet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      perhaps that will come with their deal with sun....just requiring java....

  12. Mac/Linux/FreeBSD versions? by fak3r · · Score: 1

    It seems that this would be a boom to open for other platforms, esp ones like Linux who haven't yet been taken over by the Beagle (beta) or any other type of 'overall' search utility. I don't think I need one, but who knows, I didn't think I'd like my ipod as much as I do...

    1. Re:Mac/Linux/FreeBSD versions? by beef3k · · Score: 1

      I wholeheartedly agree! As long as we don't have DB based filesystems to easily find documents etc. (as proposed by Jef Raskin in "The Humane Interface") this is a sorely needed tool. I've got tons of business and other documents and having to organize them in all sorts of folders and by using intricate naming of files is a true PITA. Just let me search for "marketplan someproduct" and bring it up in OpenOffice.

      I've tried both Beagle and Kat as linux alternatives, but they both have their share of crashes so far and are not ready for prime time. Google, surely you have enough developers on board to support Mac and Linux as well?

    2. Re:Mac/Linux/FreeBSD versions? by vhogemann · · Score: 1

      Let's be realistic...

      To support Linux, Google would have to support both KDE and GNOME... running on several different distributions, whith different libraries, and different versions. Of course there are several applications that can do it, Adobe Acrobat and Skype for example, but they don't quite integrate with the desktop.

      Google could do it using a scripting language like perl, python or ruby, and have two frontends... one for Gnome and other for KDE. But this would expose their desktop search engine, and I guess they don't want that. But there is hope, as Sun and Google team together, there's a chance we'll see some of these Google apps ported to Gnome trought the JDS. Let's wait and see...

      And, in the Mac front...

      Come on! MacOSX already has almost every funcionality that Google's apps ofer! Theres sherlock and spotlight for search, iPhoto for picture sharing and organizing, iChat for messaging, and other several nice features.

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    3. Re:Mac/Linux/FreeBSD versions? by c_fel · · Score: 1

      I agree with you that Acrobat reader and Skype are not well integrated with the desktop. But they exist, they work, and it's just enough for me to use it.

      What I ask is not a super-integrated frontend : I just want the power of Google Desktop on my desktop. To date there's still no good alternative and I'll be happy with an ugly but intuitive and powerful software.

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    4. Re:Mac/Linux/FreeBSD versions? by Hosiah · · Score: 1
      Hmmmm. This seems to actually be a utility to allow a kind of Window-Maker-doc or KDE-kicker to more primitive OSes than Linux. To port this for Linux wouldn't be hard (note to all: News Flash: OTHER WINDOW MANAGERS EXIST for Linux besides Gnome and KDE), given a simple window model such as provided by the all-portable Tcl/Tk/Wish methods. It also would be nice if the API allowed for more than the small list of limited functions identified in the developer's page (this could be very cool if I could write, say, a small tetris game or a desktop-wallpaper-switcher into it). However, it really seems it might be redundant for Linux, which is practically over-flowing with this sort of plug-in-dock app (between the desktop environment's panels, docks, Firefox extensions, Black/Fluxbox's slit and other custom-made program-launching gizmos).

      PS, anybody looking for a convenient way to search your Linux drive and you don't have Beagle: just learn Bash shell scripting and write some custom filters for Linux's locate program. To wit: have it save the locate results to a temp file, grep it for whatever key words, present the findings in a menu, and have it open the proper application to view/edit the content. I did this for a documentation finder I wrote back when I was learning Linux, and got sick of trying to guess whether the docs for a new program I'd downloaded-or-dicovered would be info files, man pages, docbook, a gzipped .pdf in /usr/doc, or a README in it's home directory, etc. It was hairy to set up and I never did get around to gluing a GUI onto the beast (plus it was written with the typical newbie brute-force-and-ignorance), but it still comes in handy for me to this day - it's particularly good to use from a floppy disk when I'm exploring a new distro.

  13. nervous by jimmy69 · · Score: 0, Redundant

    I don't think i could perform on my desktop if i thought it was all happening LIVE!

  14. Stock Price by kmartshopper · · Score: 5, Funny

    You would think that they would have put up a screenshot of the sidebar where their stock was up rather than down $4.17.

    1. Re:Stock Price by Pichu0102 · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      They try to act humble.
      However, humbleness missed a spot with that +4.6? number you can make out there.

    2. Re:Stock Price by apraetor · · Score: 1

      Or a very good sense of humor.

    3. Re:Stock Price by jalefkowit · · Score: 1

      I imagine that when your stock is trading at $389/share a drop of four bucks doesn't have much of a sting :)

  15. Is this actually new? by jdub_dub · · Score: 0

    If someone installs this, can they please confirm that this is actually new? Go into "About..." and find the version number. Mine (which I installed months ago, and still has Beta status) is version Google Desktop 20050818-en.

    1. Re:Is this actually new? by harp2812 · · Score: 1

      Just installed, and it's Google Desktop 20051101-en

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    2. Re:Is this actually new? by markusbkoch · · Score: 1

      Yes, it really is: Google Desktop 20051101-en

    3. Re:Is this actually new? by mrselfdestrukt · · Score: 0

      Are you guys sure it really is Google Desktop 20051101-en ?

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  16. Why not just use a browser? by max+born · · Score: 1

    I can't see the advantage of having this funcationality on the desktop as opposed to a browser except it may be easier for hackers writing third party apps that take advantage of unsforeen secuirty problems which then reflect badly on google. What are they thinking? More ads?

    1. Re:Why not just use a browser? by rm69990 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Name me one browser that can search all files, songs, web history, IM conversations, emails, etc on your desktop by typing in a single search word.

    2. Re:Why not just use a browser? by Brento · · Score: 1

      Name me one browser that can search all files, songs, web history, IM conversations, emails, etc on your desktop by typing in a single search word.

      In Internet Explorer, type "r00tm3" and you immediately get full access to all files, songs, web history, bank accounts, system files, etc. Is that what you were asking?

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    3. Re:Why not just use a browser? by generic-man · · Score: 1

      Why, Internet Explorer with the MSN Search Toolbar, of course!

      And in Windows Vista, you'll be able to search from any Explorer window. You can even save searches to special "search folders" to have access to them at any time. It is simply the most advanced feature of its kind available.

      To learn more about Windows Vista, simply google for Windows Vista on the all-new MSN Search.

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    4. Re:Why not just use a browser? by rm69990 · · Score: 1

      Lol, I seriously have to ask, do you work for Microsoft? You sound like a salesman. I do have my doubts though, as you didn't use the word "innovative" in your post 30 times.

    5. Re:Why not just use a browser? by generic-man · · Score: 1

      No, I just like answering rampant Google fanboyism with rampant Microsoft fanboyism to show just how silly rampant fanboyism really is. :)

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    6. Re:Why not just use a browser? by rm69990 · · Score: 1

      Quote:
      Name me one browser that can search all files, songs, web history, IM conversations, emails, etc on your desktop by typing in a single search word.

      How the hell was that rampant fanboyism? I merely said that this is not a feature commonly found in Web Browsers (well, I eluded to that fact, which someone who is not completely retarded should have been able to figure out on their own). I never said Google Desktop was any better than MSN Search, Yahoo Desktop, Beagle, etc. I personally think they all suck, and don't use any of them.

      And your example was terrible. Google Desktop also runs through a web browser (the sidebar can be shut right off, it is not needed), but neither MSN Search toolbar nor Google Desktop are browsers themselves. So, again, I'm asking which web browser contains this functionality (built-in, incase you missed that part).

    7. Re:Why not just use a browser? by generic-man · · Score: 1

      oh sorry I misunderstood.

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      Quote:
      Name me one browser that can search all files, songs, web history, IM conversations, emails, etc on your desktop by typing in a single search word.

      How the hell was that rampant fanboyism? I merely said that this is not a feature commonly found in Web Browsers (well, I eluded to that fact, which someone who is not completely retarded should have been able to figure out on their own). I never said Google Desktop was any better than MSN Search, Yahoo Desktop, Beagle, etc. I personally think they all suck, and don't use any of them.

      And your example was terrible. Google Desktop also runs through a web browser (the sidebar can be shut right off, it is not needed), but neither MSN Search toolbar nor Google Desktop are browsers themselves. So, again, I'm asking which web browser contains this functionality (built-in, incase you missed that part).

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  17. Google desktop by RLiegh · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I looked at it, and I don't honestly see what the big deal is.

    1. Re:Google desktop by ForumTroll · · Score: 1

      I agree. It looks like an ugly version of gDesklets or Konfabulator except it doesn't have even close to as many useful widgets. It also includes a large ugly Google symbol on the top bar which it seems can't be removed. It's also another Google product that is available only for Windows.

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    2. Re:Google desktop by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Glad to see I am not the only one.

    3. Re:Google desktop by blackpaw · · Score: 1

      Yah, I've installed it, tried to like it, just can't find a use for it. Its being uninstalled now.

      I don't like this aggregated crap, I prefer using the various specialised simple tools i have for search, news etc.

    4. Re:Google desktop by RLiegh · · Score: 1

      My problem is, I already have an aggragated app; it's called firefox (search, news, email, maps, all there...).

    5. Re:Google desktop by rm69990 · · Score: 2, Informative

      This is two products bundled together, Google Sidebar and Google Desktop. Desktop allows you to type in a single word and search all files, emails, songs, videos, etc. on your computer, similar to Beagle. I run it with the sidebar turned off, and then just click in the taskbar to open a browser to use it.

    6. Re:Google desktop by Osty · · Score: 1

      gDesklets and Konfabulator are available only for Gnome/KDE based systems.

      Just because Konfabulator starts with a 'K' doesn't mean it's a KDE tool. In fact, it doesn't even run on Linux, but Windows and Mac OS X. Oh yeah, and it's owned by Yahoo now, too. Looks like gadgets, widgets, and sidebars are the new battelground, with Yahoo, Apple, Microsoft, and now Google in the mix. Yahoo has a serious lead, since Konfabulator is the oldest product.

    7. Re:Google desktop by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow, you're really incredibly stupid. Thanks for exposing your stupidity once again for all of us too see. I think the parent posters point was that it's not available for any platform other than Windows. For a company that claims to be so open source friendly it's amusing that they don't release any of their software for anything other than Windows let alone open up the source code. The parent poster also didn't say anything about Linux. You do realize that there are other platforms right? Konfabulator is also not available for Linux you fucking idiot.

      You're truly a moron. I hope that someday you leave your parents basement and get hit by a bus.

    8. Re:Google desktop by Diag · · Score: 2, Informative

      I installed it on my home PC when it first came out months ago and couldn't see any real use for it, so uninstalled it.

      But then I saw a colleague at work using it and saw how it could be very helpful in that environment. Being an IT consultant, just about all of my work related communications occur via email (Exchange), web browsing, PDF's and Office documents on my laptop. Google Desktop indexes *all* this information, making it very fast and easy to search it at whim, which I often have to do. The ability to search all of these sources of information at once is extremely helpful.

      You can turn the dodgy sidebar off and just have a small text input area in the Windows task bar, or access the search interface through your web browser.

      Often I work at customer sites and aren't able to connect my laptop to the internet. At these times I've found Google Desktop's cache to be very handy.

      But I still can't see much use for it on my home PC :]

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  18. Hmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Installing it forces a reboot under Windows XP Pro.

    I thought those days were over. :(

    1. Re:Hmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I didn't have to reboot... it made me quit AIM and Firefox though.

    2. Re:Hmm by MaXiMiUS · · Score: 0

      Eh? I just installed it on XP Pro, didn't force ME to reboot o.O You prolly have software that it needed to reboot to be compatible with. I know my NOD32 AntiVirus couldn't even RUN with GDS1 >->

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    3. Re:Hmm by masterQba · · Score: 1

      deskbar doesn't work on win64

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    4. Re:Hmm by onedotzero · · Score: 1

      I didn't need to reboot (though I'm using Home, I doubt there's anything in Pro that would require it). And although it wanted me to close Opera, it did open it back up again once it had finished doing its thing (with all tabs intact - I love Opera...)

    5. Re:Hmm by justsomebody · · Score: 1

      Yeah, you're right, but that's just Windows. Installing GD2 on any other OS than Windows doesn't require restart. Doesn't even require even install.

      In fact, Google can write all the thanks for this glorious feature exclusively to the fact that they don't support any other OS than Windows.

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  19. I for one... by kmartshopper · · Score: 1, Funny

    I for one welcome our new Desktop overlords...

    (sorry, I had to...)

    1. Re:I for one... by mek2600 · · Score: 1

      (sorry, I had to...)

      No you didn't you insensitive clod.

      (sorry, I had to)

  20. won't install for me by way2trivial · · Score: 1

    tried three times

    error msg
    "d 8007000320051101- could not upgrade database. " mentions something about possible lack of available drive space,
    I have 3.27, 38.3, and 289 gigabytes free respectively.

    'course, I'm also running in a SBS server enviroment, and have been having problems with reg key permissions lately.

    tried running as administrator, and with the 'safe procedures only' unticked.. but still no dice.

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    1. Re:won't install for me by tapo · · Score: 2, Informative

      Yeah, I have had that problem too and it's been in since beta and version 1. Google's customer support says they're "looking into a resolution for this particular issue". In other words, sorry, no Google Desktop for you.

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    2. Re:won't install for me by jefferson_uk · · Score: 1

      I got the same problem. Is there a way to install the app onto another drive other than C:? My C drive is down to about 500mb but its been like that for over a year. I got about 250GB free on other drives. Although i would hope this wouldnt take up that much space. No dodgy environment on my box..bog standard XP SP2 w/ latest patches.

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  21. No. Wake me up when it does by vik · · Score: 3, Interesting

    You never know, Beagle might be usable before Google get their desktop going on Linux. But the Beagle keeps chewing up my memory, so I'm dropping back to using x-friend even though it's not Open Source.

    If anyone has any better alternatives for us Linux bunnies, do tell the world!

    Vik :v)

    1. Re:No. Wake me up when it does by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Beagle will never take off because of its dependency on Mono. Until they remove that dependency a very large section of Linux users will avoid it like the plague. Mono is also the reason that Beagle has so many memory problems.

    2. Re:No. Wake me up when it does by Your+Pal+Dave · · Score: 1
      But the Beagle keeps chewing up my memory


      You might try this to address that problem.
  22. And What about by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    yahoo's new mind blowing map? where is that news? more i read slashdot, the more I am tending to believe that slashdot editors are part of google's pr machine. so a crappy product goes out of beta - big deal!

    1. Re:And What about by hey · · Score: 1

      And the URL for "yahoo's new mind blowing map" ?

    2. Re:And What about by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not sure if only certain users are being directed but I get it just going to http://maps.yahoo.com

    3. Re:And What about by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The new map seems to be:
      http://maps.yahoo.com/beta

      It uses flash ;-(

  23. A miss for Google? by RobertF · · Score: 1

    I don't know about this one. This reminds me of those stupid "buddy" applications spyware would install to feign usefulness. Or like AIM or YIM or whatever that deliver you stocks, weather, news, ect. all in one place where I don't want it. Information overload, you know? But I'm sort of wondering over this, from Google Desktop's privacy policy:

    The Google Desktop application indexes and stores versions of your files and other computer activity, such as email, chats, and web history. These versions may also be mixed with your Web search results to produce results pages for you that integrate relevant content from your computer and information from the Web.

    Is this limited to using, say, Gmail and Google Talk? Or is this just plain, all emails on my computer and all chat logs and all my browser histories? Anyone know? It's rather ambiguous, and I really don't like that in a privacy policy...

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    1. Re:A miss for Google? by damiam · · Score: 1

      AFAIK, it imports emails from Outlook (and other programs) and history from IE/Firefox. Not sure about chat logs. But it's not like you're not warned; after all, the whole reason you would install it is so that it can index these files.

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    2. Re:A miss for Google? by kurzweilfreak · · Score: 1

      Nowhere there does it say that it sends that information back to Google. It just says that it mixes it into your websearches. I'm sure this is all done by the app on your local computer with none of that private info going back up the stream. It indexes all the stuff on your computer that you let it, not just Google-related products. That's kinda the point.

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    3. Re:A miss for Google? by osssmkatz · · Score: 1

      This is true. It runs a local webserver. When you type in www.google.com, the webserver requests the page. It adds a 'Desktop' tab. When you search the web, the *local* webserver adds results from Google Desktop Search. You can turn this off in Preferences, but either way, the only IP address that recieves your desktop search results are 127.0.1

    4. Re:A miss for Google? by DavidTC · · Score: 1
      It's not ambigious. It quite clearly indexes all emails, chat, browser history, and frankly everything it can understand on your computer.

      However, that's not really relevant to the privacy policy, as it doesn't send that anywhere outside your computer.

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  24. Does anyone actually USE Google Desktop? by rinkjustice · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I've installed every version of google desktop since inception, hoping every time that I'll find use for it. But I never do. It just sits there on my desktop, taking up real estate and looking fugly.

    Other than replacing XP's pathetic search feature, it's really alot of nothing.

    1. Re:Does anyone actually USE Google Desktop? by octaene · · Score: 1

      It just sits there on my desktop, taking up real estate and looking fugly.

      No doubt. I've installed all the new versions too. I just got no value from it. All my e-mail and system files are organized; I don't need any kind of search function. Mod parent up.

    2. Re:Does anyone actually USE Google Desktop? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The answer to this question is Yes. I use it quite a bit at work for the email search. Its much faster than Oultook's search feature when trying to find specific text in an email. It will also show you the threads of emails that are related.

    3. Re:Does anyone actually USE Google Desktop? by Jett · · Score: 1

      I use it every day at work - it's great for tracking down random missing files (which I have to do frequently unfortunately), keeping track of notes and to-do stuff (which I do all day long), and it provides an easy way to scan the news and monitor the weather (I have no windows so I'm never sure if I need to bring my jacket when I take my break) without having to be obvious about it (don't want to give the wrong impression that I'm slacking). If you have to use multiple email accounts at the same time it's great to be able to see all your new emails in a single place - I have 3 seperate accounts that receive work related emails - often they show up in the google sidebar before they do in Outlook and since it reads gmail too I can monitor my personal account from it also. I also use a system monitoring plug-in to keep track of performance on my machine when I'm testing software out, that's less frequent though. If you set the sidebar to autohide it really takes up no screen real estate unless you actually need it. Oh, and the email search function is 1000x better than Outlooks (which sucks unless you do "advanced" and then it's still slow as all hell) - I use it to search my email all the time - one of the reasons I kept it after first installing it (and not being very impressed initially) is that Outlook's search function couldn't find an email I knew I had sent, I spent 10 minutes trying to track it down - the Google search found it in seconds - any program which saves my ass is going to get a thorough evaluation from me.

    4. Re:Does anyone actually USE Google Desktop? by MBCook · · Score: 4, Informative
      I've installed it on all the family Windows boxes, and it is helpful once in a while at finding documents (my parents are permanently unorganized in file structure). The ability of search your web history is neat, I'd probably use that a lot.

      That said, I spend almost all my time on my Mac, so I have Spotlight.

      I LOVE Spotlight.

      With a quick key combination (based on keyboard placement, it would be like Alt-Space in the windows world) and then just type in stuff. The name of a document. A person's name. The name of an appointment. The name of a bookmark. The name of a folder. Some text in a document that I can't remember the name of. The name of a function in one of my programming projects (then just chose the header file it finds). It is fantastic. I even use it to launch programs (although I would prefer a version of the Run command in Windows, that is the one thing I miss). I know about Quicksilver and such but Spotlight works well enough for this.

      It does seem to have gotten faster with the 10.4.3 update as well. Before sometimes I could type something in and it would take 15+ seconds for the first result to show up (this is a 1.677 GHz PB with 1GB of RAM), now the first results are always there in under a second (note, internal hard drive only; I don't know how it'd deal with multiple 800GB volumes some people use).

      If you get Google Desktop and start using it, I think you'll love it (note: I've turned off the sidebar, just seems annoying to me). All it needs is a key command (Win-G maybe?) to launch it (note: might exist, haven't looked). While not as convenient as Spotlight (Google Desktop pulls up a web browser then you have to click, with spotlight I can use arrow keys, return, and various key combos), it will still be a major boon to you.

      Now I'm a VERY organized person, and I still am. But now I can find that document by typing a few letters, instead of opening a few folders.

      And if you accidently save something to the wrong place, it can be a GODSEND in finding it.

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    5. Re:Does anyone actually USE Google Desktop? by anti-trojan · · Score: 1

      You should try Lookout instead of Outlook's default search feature. I'm not using Outlook anymore but Lookout was faster than anything then.

    6. Re:Does anyone actually USE Google Desktop? by fmaxwell · · Score: 1

      No doubt. I've installed all the new versions too. I just got no value from it. All my e-mail and system files are organized; I don't need any kind of search function. Mod parent up.

      Then you don't have many e-mails and files. Anyone who has several tens of thousands of e-mails (personal, listservers, etc.) will find Google Desktop search useful. When all that you can remember is that someone sent you something in e-mail that, as an aside, mentioned a problem with program XYZ, you won't be able to find it without a good search tool. Unless you're some newbie whose idea of a long time is back to 2002.

    7. Re:Does anyone actually USE Google Desktop? by DavidTC · · Score: 1
      Don't use it for the sidebar. Generic global sidebars never have what you want.

      I use it solely for the search.

      But first, get this. It's an extension for firefox, it lets you save parts of web pages, whole web pages, and even spider sites.

      Then change the directory for the scrapbook to something you'd be able to find normally. You need to do this in case you reinstall Firefox or make a new profile, because it stupidly defaults to an impossible-to-find subdirectory of your profile. I use My Documents/info/scrapbook/. It's just the downloaded files and some metadata files that have the URL and whatnot, so even if the extension goes away you still have the data.

      Whenever you find any interesting data (Instead of interesting changing sites.), don't bookmark it. Instead, scrapbook it. The scrapbook keeps a record of the original site so you can get back there anyway, and, best of all, you can delete parts of the page you don't need, and just keep the actual info.

      Instant. Fulltext. Search. Of every bit of information you've ever come across, and it's as simple as choose 'File/Capture Page', or hitelighting and choosing 'Capture Selection', and, when you want to search, you go to google and click 'Desktop'. (Or you use the taskbar thingy, or bookmark it, or add it as a firefox search, or whatever.)

      You can, if you want, organize the scrapbook in such a way as that you can browse it, with folders and whatnot. Or you can just completely ignore the layout, never bothering with the actual sidebar, just doing searchs. The scrapbook extension that lets you track a saved page back to a URL, and edit the document, works off the location, so it works even when google desktop finds it.

      I've already got 111 megs of data, and I've only been doing this two or three months. And I still need to go to my old 'saved web pages' directories from before I did this and see if I can track down those pages again and save them with this method.

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    8. Re:Does anyone actually USE Google Desktop? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You may want to spend more time learning about Google desktop. I use it in "deskbar" mode and Windows key + G gives it focus. You can type a couple of letters and it will start populating the field and you can use the arrow keys to navigate the results. You can even right click on the results for a cool 'Open This Location' option. It only takes a few seconds to populate these results.

      I use a mac too and admit that spotlight is much more powerful, useful and flexible ... but Google's desktop is bar-none the best search solution for a windows desktop. I have it installed on my Windows box at work and use it several times a day.

    9. Re:Does anyone actually USE Google Desktop? by rat_in_a_cage · · Score: 1

      I have around 10,000 word files and i need to locate files with specific keywords... really useful to me.

      Also, it indexes your emails which is a big +. who wants to go through old emails to search one instead of just googling it.

    10. Re:Does anyone actually USE Google Desktop? by Will+Sargent · · Score: 1

      Have you tried other Windows search solutions? I've tried a few and I prefer Copernic to Google desktop by a fair margin.

    11. Re:Does anyone actually USE Google Desktop? by gaspyy · · Score: 1

      I'm wondering the same thing... I installed Google Desktop 2 beta, and apart from being annoyed at its RAM usage I could think nothing of it.

      So, the sidebar has a lot of useless utilities (if I need RSS or news, Firefox is a click away anyway; TODO list is OK; scrap pad is just another way to look at clipboard, and so on)

      Search is cool, but I rarely need it (my documents are rather neatly organized) and the fact that Thunderbird has to be opened for GD2 to index emails is plain annoying.

      Actually, I've found MSN Desktop Search to be more powerful and ligher on resources.

      Anyway, after a week of playing with each one, I removed them.

    12. Re:Does anyone actually USE Google Desktop? by rinkjustice · · Score: 1

      Maybe I'm accustomed to a different way of doing things. For one, my email is web-based. I've been using rocketmail for my primary email account since circa '98 (Yahoo since usurped it but I got to keep the address) and online storage is more than ample for any backups. I don't need to grep gigabytes of saved emails like some folks. I'm also pretty organised and remove text files whenever I can, otherwise I have it in an appropriate directory where I'll remember it's purpose and contents. And as for Google Desktops other superfluous bells and whistles like weather, images etcetera, whoopty-freakin-do. That's not innovative or even useful. It's played out, bigtime. Is that what the Google braintrust is coming up with to conqueur Microsoft?!

      I have a suggestion for Google: port Desktop 2 to GNU/Linux. Google is a vocal supporter of open source, and they're locked in mortal combat with Microsoft, so why not give it up? Linux users would appreciate it more than Windows users, and it would be more useful on that platform.

      I'm thinking maybe, just maybe, Google isn't smart enough.

    13. Re:Does anyone actually USE Google Desktop? by mikey_boy · · Score: 1

      agreed ... I have in excess of 100,000 emails - google desktop has found me half remembered threads dozens of times. And tbh I've actually got to the point where it's good for just digging out recent emails, as it's quicker than faffing with my folders and the like

    14. Re:Does anyone actually USE Google Desktop? by nvrrobx · · Score: 1

      I use it to search source code and docs on my machine all the time. It's the closest thing I have to Spotlight on my Windows machine.

      The Enterprise version now indexes Lotus Notes. I don't think I've been this happy in years!! The searching in Notes leaves a bit to be desired, but since it's the corporate standard, I can't do much about that.

      I don't use any of the content stuff, just the searching. I have it as a small edit box on my start bar. Doesn't take much real estate, and is really helpful. It would be nice to have a shortcut key (like Apple-Space for Spotlight) but I'll survive.

    15. Re:Does anyone actually USE Google Desktop? by ndvaughan · · Score: 1

      Other than replacing XP's pathetic search feature, it's really alot of nothing.

      Wait, Desktop Search 1's only feature was a search engine for your computer (that completely trounces Windows' search) . It's like saying of the transistor: "other than replacing the vacuum tube, it really has no purpose".

    16. Re:Does anyone actually USE Google Desktop? by DavidTC · · Score: 1
      I'm not talking about email. I don't keep most email either, although the stuff I do keep does end up getting indexed by google desktop. I've been tempted to run that off, because frankly it's not useful...if I saved the email I put it somewhere I can find it.

      I'm talking about things like the W3C's HTML reference or this page. I'm talking about stuff you'd bookmark and then spend a minute finding and then three minutes looking around on the site to find the specific bit of information you wanted.

      The point of the method I spoke of is not to keep 'your' data. I agree, people who search for their own files need to be a bit better organized. It's to have a full-text search of a tiny, self-collected part of the internet, from whole websites to single sentences, and it will never be screwed up by search engines reranking things or pages going dead. All you have to do is say 'Hey, that's a useful page, File, Capture page' and continue on your way, and never worry abut it again, until you think 'Hey, what was that page that had...'.

      Incidentally, Google desktop tries to index your browser cache for exactly this reason, but that is rather idiotic and doesn't work well as pages disappear from that but not the index. Turn that feature off.

      And an added bonus, my bookmarking has gone down immensely, now only to pages with changing content, so now I can actually find things there, too.

      As for the other stupid stuff in google desktop? Well, you can easily turn it off. Or you can find another tool that does the same thing for desktop searches, I'm sure they exist. The indexing tool is not important.

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    17. Re:Does anyone actually USE Google Desktop? by Tim+Browse · · Score: 1
      Other than replacing XP's pathetic search feature, it's really alot of nothing.

      Well, given that replacing XP's pathetic search feature is the main reason I installed it, yes, I do use it a lot. That's a bit like saying that other than letting you make documents, Word is really alot [sic] of nothing.

      So yes, I use it - for searching, in fact. Someone asked me for my CV the other day, so I hit Windows-G, typed CV, and my CV was in the inline results list - easy. Or maybe I remember a friend told me about a piece of software but I can't remember where it was or what the name was, so I hit Windows-G, type in the category of software, and I see the result in a chat history.

      I even use it to run programs now. My Start menu is pretty big, so when I want to burn CDs, I hit Windows-G, type 'burn', and Nero is in the list, and I select it to run Nero. It's much faster than navigating my Start menu.

      Two caveats:

      • I don't use the sidebar. It just didn't have enough to interest me/be useful. And even with auto-hide it kept opening when I didn't want it to (e.g. when I use Fitt's Law and chuck the mouse into the top right corner to close an app - the sidebar appears instead). If I wanted to know what the weather was like somewhere in America I suppose it might be useful.
      • I don't like it when Google take their 'search, don't sort' philosophy too far, and assume no-one will ever be organised in any way. GDS is no problem in this respect, but try Picasa if you have some/all of your photos organised, especially if you use hierarchical folders. It just lists all folders on your system that have photos. But with no context. So you might have a folder called 'Old' in many places, but all you see is lots of 'Old' folders in the list. You can't tell which is 'New York/Old' or 'Family Trip/Old' or 'Club/Old' etc. You can't order them on that basis. Search is good, but sometimes information is already organised, and it's good to use that meta-data too.
    18. Re:Does anyone actually USE Google Desktop? by Neoncow · · Score: 1
      Used the sidebar for a while. I never did anything useful with it. So it's disabled now.

      As a student, searching through pdfs is pretty useful. For most of my courses, my porfs release PDFs of the lecture slides. These slides often contain examples or formulae that I'll need during an assignment. I have directories full of slides named lecture1, lecture2, etc. I use GDS to search inside the pdfs for a specific topic or phrase that I'm looking for. It's much easier than opening up each one, searching through it, finding it's not the one that I want and repeating. Once I have a list of the PDFs with the phrase in them, I can find that lecture in my handwritten notes.

    19. Re:Does anyone actually USE Google Desktop? by KaMiKa-Z77 · · Score: 1

      At the risk of losing karma, I actually like MSN's search toolbar better. I kinda works like spotlight in that I have a textbox in the task bar, just click and start typing and the results start showing up as you type.

      That, plus it doesn't remeber things that I've deleted from my HDD (the way Google Desktop's cache does).

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  25. Is it still anti-security? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is this still a nasty piece of crap that stupidly assumes everybody is always logged in as root all the time?

    Are all their developers so stupid and Microsoft no-security idiots, or is it just their management forcing them into such an anti-security model?

  26. Requires a restart by muhgcee · · Score: 0

    Bad thing number one: Requires a reboot

  27. Needs to be an actual DESKTOP by ericdfields · · Score: 1

    A couple people have said it so far, but i think it can't be stated how much we actually need a real, living, breathing desktop environment with the google touch. I'm thinking Ubuntu with the google flair for seamless interactivity.

    Now is probably not the time. Wait until they finish their OpenOffice experiemnts (and makes it web-based... if only as an 'on the go' version). I'm not too worried about all of our stuff being consumed by the Google Grid. So be it. We've been tormented in this Microsoft hell for long enough.

    Now, just to be on the safe side, i'd say that 2009 is the year of (Googe) Desktop Linux.

    1. Re:Needs to be an actual DESKTOP by ForumTroll · · Score: 1

      I really doubt that Google is currently working on a full Linux desktop. They're a business and there's currently not a lot of money in the Linux desktop field, especially with so many free options out there that are making continuous and fast progress. Most people are more than happy to choose one of the freely available DE's. Furthermore, everything that Google has released so far that is not delivered over the web has been Windows only. How about we wait and see if they release any of these applications on Linux, MacOS X, BSD etc. at all before we speculate about them releasing a full DE. Currently, they've said that they have no plans to release any of these applications to any other platform other than Windows.

      There's also a huge difference between the complexities of a DE compared to anything they've released so far in terms of desktop applications.

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  28. Intergration? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Intergration? What about intragration and retrogration?

  29. Uncle Rofl by ferretous · · Score: 0

    Now if you want do some ogling of the fascinating moguling
    Who give the irritating adverts from the britches of the fatcats
    Who put the software on the desktops on the punters
    From the boonies of the harem of the court of King Ridiculous,
    You're too late!
    Because they've just... passed... out!

  30. Awesome! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That is fucking awesome! Now we can finally replace our useless Linux boxes with a usefull app.

  31. Re:Yes but... by panth0r · · Score: 1, Insightful

    I know what you mean, but I believe you should be saying "Does it run on linux?" [other mistakes not corrected, I would write it as "Does it run on GNU/Linux?" How this was modded insightful, I'll never understand.

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  32. Re:Yes but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Insightful? Bah...

    As it gets warm, it'll trickle down to a halt. This isn't counting after so many bugs begin homing into the glass to echo non-fatal debugging points. Somewhere in Siberia, there is a sole Trangendered Linux user sipping this on his Soviet BeoWulf cluster. I hear it runs quite fast in the sub-0 conditions. That proves anti-Microsoft vengence is best served cold.

  33. So what? by markusbkoch · · Score: 4, Insightful

    When are people going to understand that Google is a business just like any other?

    Being a business, they must focus on the return over their investment, which is much faster achieved when you develop something for the masses. Last time I checked, the masses were running Windows, not Linux or any other open source OS.

    And BTW, they WILL do evil if that makes stocks go up!

    1. Re:So what? by descil · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Google makes big noises about not being evil. It starts to make you think about Google's Evil Index.

      Back when they made their IPO, they even specifically structured it so as to avoid reliance on stock prices (nobody can own more of Google than they do). This means they cannot be -forced- to become evil by someone who buys up a lot of the stock. It also (cleverly) means nobody can do a takeover of their company - gee, I wonder why they did that :)

      Anyway, being a business does -not- mean you have to focus on ROI. There's nothing in the manual that says that. ROI is only important if you care about making money. I'm still hanging on to the hope that not every business owner is JUST about making money. The guys at Google do seem to have some really interesting things to say about Information Availability, and they have zeal that borders on jihad.

      Hey, there's an idea - let's make big-business takeover into a jihad :)

      (hello, carnivore)

  34. does news work yet? by SteveXE · · Score: 1

    I remember during the beta google said the news feature would show more news that you wanted and if you told it not to show you certain stories by clicking and removing them it would stop showing those types of stories. Well in the beta i would remove sports stories left and right but the majority of the news i kept getting was sports. Did google fix this problem or is the feature still junk?

  35. Re:Yes but... by panth0r · · Score: 0

    I have no clue what the hell that means...

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  36. Can they change the name by Null+Perception · · Score: 1

    To google garrison instead.

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  37. Um... by Just-some-person · · Score: 0

    What's wrong with SuperKaramba and GDesklets?

    1. Re:Um... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nothing is wrong with them, but those are Linux apps. Google desktop is for Windows.

    2. Re:Um... by fmaxwell · · Score: 2, Interesting

      They only run on OSs with minimal market penetration, so most people can't run them.

  38. Multi-User Support by tabdelgawad · · Score: 1

    The big change for me from version 1 is that version 2 does multiple users correctly on Win2k and WinXP. Each user can separately choose to auto-launch and/or index files they have permission to view.

    I don't have much use for the sidebar, but the Outlook (what I use at work) search is exceptionally good . Nothing like typing a few key words and finding that email from 6 months ago in 2 seconds. Puts the built-in search in Outlook to shame.

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    1. Re:Multi-User Support by Just-some-person · · Score: 0

      ...There's really no such thing as users on Windows...

  39. Is it really something new? by yep-yep · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I agree with a few statements already made this should not be called "desktop" yet. As for the bar itself... him I do believe I've seen this before http://gdesklets.gnomedesktop.org/ or perhaps http://members.dslextreme.com/users/billw/gkrellm/ gkrellm.html When I did run gdesklets it was setup with a lot of the same features, quick notes, email, time, weather, calander and the list goes on. Nothing really new except it has goggle branded to it.

  40. Release good... by danielk1982 · · Score: 0

    But can it actually run under a Limited User account?

    It couldn't before, so I installed MSN offering (note: its not bad).

    1. Re:Release good... by siliconjunkie · · Score: 1

      I'm using the original beta of GD2 (Google Desktop 20050818-en) under a limited user account and it works well.

    2. Re:Release good... by danielk1982 · · Score: 0

      oh ok.. i'm thinking back to initial release (beta 1 i guess - without sidebar).

    3. Re:Release good... by siliconjunkie · · Score: 1

      I should throw in the caveat that I don't use the sidebar functionality on a daily basis. I played with it for a bit, but I use Konfabulator and Samurize for my widgety goodness, so the GD2 sidebar is overkill for me. I *did* play with the sidebar for awhile and it seemed to work OK.

      That being said, the core search functionality, which i use via the Google Desktop Search Toolbar (not to be confused with the Google Deskbar) works fine under a LUA.

  41. Um, what? by HoneyBunchesOfGoats · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I don't get this paranoia about Google. Why is it a concern that they have lots of different products? Would you not buy a General Mills cereal because they make several other kinds of foods too? If you don't like Google products, don't install them, nobody forces you. Last time I checked, going to their website was optional, too (and I don't think that's going to change).

    1. Re:Um, what? by uberchicken · · Score: 1

      Because General Mills aren't in a position to collect information on the way you eat your cereal.

      I don't share the paranoia, but the obvious needed spelling out here.

  42. Scripting Plug-ins with Javascript - the new VBA by boozewah · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I installed the original Google Desktop Search when it first came out. The application was not bad, it just crashed my computer anytime I left it up overnight. After I narrowed the number of folders it indexed the crashes stopped and I now use it alot. I have found it very useful and am not annoyed by the sliver of screen space it takes up on the right side monitor. It seems the newest version is a little more stable and the new maps plugin is nice since I am a map junkie.
              The real neat capability is the ability they give you to write plug-ins now in javascript. I have only been playing around a little so far but it seems like Google is trying to turn Javascript into the new VBA! I was very interested in creating a Google Desktop Plug-in before they added the new Javascript programming capabilties, but I was going to need Visual Studio 2003 and navigate through Visual C++.net. In just playing around the Javascript it seems both simple yet powerful enough to get done what I want. The comparison to VBA is not meant to be a put down. Between the Google Maps API and the Sidebar API for Google Desktop I never though I would be using Javascript so much.

  43. Sync it between laptop and desktop by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is there a way to sync it between a laptop and a desktop? Or at least certain plugins? i.e. To Do List.

    1. Re:Sync it between laptop and desktop by xot · · Score: 2, Interesting

      yes you can. try syncnotes

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  44. Google Desktop 2 Live by trixy_1086 · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Saturday, November 5th at the Shoreline Amphitheatre in Mountain View. Tickets are available by phone, at any ticket master outlet, or on the web at ticketmaster.com

  45. Platform Independent Desktop Applications: Google? by betasam · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I've always wanted to try out Google's desktop, but running it on wine on my linux box just doesn't convince me enough. Google has been labelling themselves a "Digital Services Infrastructure Company" (Stahlman) and provide a good number of services accessible through a browser. I do understand that facilitating a desktop search requires native access to the platform making a completely browser based solution unsuitable or insecure. However, it would be nice to see Google at least provide a framework or API if not actually write a portable application usable across platforms. Gnome users would probably be banking on beagle performing the same roles and KDE users may have to wait a while before a strong equivalent (Tenor) comes in.

    While it is true that Google doesn't seem to have put a foot wrong yet, I do notice that many of their applications (Picasa et al) seem to be tailored for Microsoft platforms. For the moment this is in line with their attempt in becoming an all-pervasive "digital infrastructure" company. I wonder if many GNU/Linux enthusiasts find it a bit frustrating not to be able to try out these applications (or am I missing a link somewhere ..?)

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  46. Short on screen space? The sidebar can autohide! by SpammersAreScum · · Score: 1

    I've seen several people comment -- usually negatively -- on the screen space this takes up. Perhaps they are unaware that you can tell the sidebar to autohide? I wouldn't use it otherwise on my laptop, but with that feature it's great!

  47. MOD Parent + 5 Funny by rm69990 · · Score: 1

    Lol, the whole point of the program is for it to index your files so you can search them, just like with Beagle on Linux.

  48. RSS Feed by rm69990 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Slashdot has an RSS Feed for front page stories. I think they should add a second one for Google stories. It would look something like this:

    -
           
    Slashdot : Google News, 24/7
    http://www.googledot.org
    -

    Google this, Google that, Google Google Google blah blah blah

    en-CA
    Copyright 2005
    Wed, 02 Nov 2005 24:08:49 GMT-07:00
    Wed, 02 Nov 2005 24:08:49 GMT-07:00
    http://everythinggoogle.com
    http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss
    -
           
    Google Employees Go To Work
    -
           
    Today at 9 AM Approximately 2800 Google Employees went to work. 200 called in sick. There was a traffic jam in the parking lot.

    -
           
    http://fakelink.com/

    -
           
    http://fakelink.com/

    Google
    Mon, 31 Oct 2005 24:29:01 GMT-07:00

    Google Farts
                     
    At 12 PM today, Google Farted. (4500 comments thus far)

    http://fakelink.com/

    http://fakelink.com/

    Google (what else would it be)
    Mon, 31 Oct 2005 24:29:01 GMT-07:00

  49. Well, so much for that fucking joke :( by rm69990 · · Score: 1

    Slashdot's stupid lameness filter which is a piece of shit wouldnt let me post that properly. :( Then, it removed all of the XML tags, so it is just a bunch of text.

    1. Re:Well, so much for that fucking joke :( by dedazo · · Score: 1

      Lactation can't be far behind.

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    2. Re:Well, so much for that fucking joke :( by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Feeling a bit stupid?

    3. Re:Well, so much for that fucking joke :( by VJ42 · · Score: 1

      Try using the 'Preview' button next time.

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    4. Re:Well, so much for that fucking joke :( by rm69990 · · Score: 1

      Thx for the tip, cause I'm sure you've never forgotten to do anything in your life :)

  50. gd2 vs. yahoo desktop + konfabulator by yulek · · Score: 2, Insightful

    i used gd for a while, but it didn't find nearly as much stuff as X1 (which later became yahoo desktop). for example, it wouldn't index my gaim logs for some reason. i had to install some third party text plugin that ate the cpu like mad.

    so i like the way gd works, in general, but i didn't like that it searched so little of my world. Y! desktop, on the other hand, is an ugly app, but man, it finds EVERYTHING.

    as far as the sidebar, i just don't get what the fuss is about. y'all should check out konfabulator. it's amazingly cool and works the same on windows and the mac (i use both) and does all the stuff gd's sidebard does and a lot more and in much more open ended manner (transparent float mode is unbelievably useful).

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    1. Re:gd2 vs. yahoo desktop + konfabulator by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, I agree - Yahoo Desktop Search kicks much ass and is actually usable as a production tool. I use it daily and think that it is fantastic.

      I use Yahoo Desktop Search for indexing our live content, which is a large number of Word (article text), Excel (data tables) and XML documents (for the live application) that I regularly remotely pull from a version control server. I then have Yahoo Desktop Search index the lot as it greatly helps to find and cross-reference the nuggets of information that I need to refer to as I do my job. In many cases I don't even have to open the document as the information I want is shown in the search results preview pane.

      I don't know what you mean by calling it "ugly" - it looks fine. Yes, the user interface is not "exciting" as Google's, but it's easy to use and is extremely powerful. By comparison, Google Desktop Search looks like a laughable toy.

    2. Re:gd2 vs. yahoo desktop + konfabulator by egghat · · Score: 1

      last time I checked, Yahoo didn't index Thunderbird's Maildirs. K.O. criteria for me.

      The 5000 character limit that Google's desktop search has (had?) was a K.O. criteria as well. So I still use my plain old desktop ...

      Bye egghat.

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    3. Re:gd2 vs. yahoo desktop + konfabulator by Raimondas · · Score: 1

      I tried out some of the desktop search engines offered lately by increasing number of companies. I needed to index and search both local desktop/laptop drives as well as network drives. Lots of our documents are stored on network storage. To decide whether the search engine works, I tested it by searching for 2 names that can be found inside PDFs and Word documents. All files containing the names were on the network drives.

      I have evaluated search engines from Copernic, Google and MSN (Microsoft). Here are the results.

      Short story: MSN toolbar is the best if it does not crash your machine. Others don't work.

      Long story:
      Best: Microsoft has released its desktop search engine (http://toolbar.msn.com/). I have it running on my laptop. It finished indexing one network drive in 2 days. It answers the queries perfectly.

      However, MSN indexer crashes my laptop every 1-2 hours. :( I will try it on different machine to see if this is caused by some issue on the laptop. I wish I could fix the crashing issue, since I like the search engine a lot.

      New version of Google desktop search (http://desktop.google.com/) now allows to index any drives and directories you specify. However it has indexed only part of the network drive in almost 2 months (!). It still does not find the names I am looking for in my tests. :(

      Copernic (http://www.copernic.com/) search engine. After 5 months the search engine still does not find the results in my test cases. It claims to have finished indexing, so either their indexing is buggy or their software is. I gave up on it and uninstalled it.

      Would have to see what Yahoo Desktop search does, now that you mentioned it.

  51. Re:Short on screen space? The sidebar can autohide by rm69990 · · Score: 1

    Slashdotters making uninformed opinions....well who would've thought?

  52. sidebar without search? by moosesocks · · Score: 1

    Can you install the sidebar without having to install the desktop search component?

    I had the original google desktop, and it slowed my system significantly...

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    1. Re:sidebar without search? by onedotzero · · Score: 1

      You could just turn off desktop indexing in the preferences. I don't mind it searching my emails etc, but one thing I did do was remove desktop matches from web searches.

  53. Re:Short on screen space? The sidebar can autohide by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Or maybe they've come to realize that autohide is the worst 'feature' ever. People who like it are rather braindamaged, as it always manages to work out just 'not quite right'.

  54. Google doesn't force you by jgoemat · · Score: 1
    Microsoft is anticompetitive and monopolistic. You liked Netscape? Tough. You couldn't buy a computer with Netscape installed because Microsoft wouldn't let computer dealers install it if they wanted to keep their discounts. You prefer a different movie player to Windows Media Player? Same thing. Want to have an open office document format? Well there is one, but if you don't buy MS office anyway (which chooses not to support it), you won't be able to read documents created by most others. It's not that Microsoft is everywhere, it is that they know they are everywhere and do nasty things to keep being everywhere, stifling innovation.

    Google has it right in their incorporation papers, they pledge to do the right thing. They are very open, letting others work with Google Maps and GMail for instance, not to mention Google Search.

  55. But can you disable search? by Snaller · · Score: 1

    They may think that's the point, but I don't want some extra app to search and index my computer - I'd like just to have their RSS modules - but in the previous version you couldn't disable it, and so i didn't use it. I suspect this one is no different.

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    1. Re:But can you disable search? by Ash-Fox · · Score: 1

      The previous version didn't have a sidebar to my knowledge...

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    2. Re:But can you disable search? by Snaller · · Score: 1

      Sure it did - you just have installed something else.

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  56. Simple tools by pingveno · · Score: 1

    I've got to agree with you on the "simple tools" part. For years, I've wanted both a simple note pad/scratch pad and a simple todo list. No worrying about filling out the whole form, saving the files, or what color the "pad" is. Everyone wants to attach as many bells and whistles to their software as possible. Finally, someone just got it right.

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  57. Desktop Sidebar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How does this compare with Desktop Sidebar?

    1. Re:Desktop Sidebar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How does this compare with Desktop Sidebar? It doesn't. Desktop Sidebar is known only to geeks whereas Google Sidebar will focus on John Does.

  58. I still prefer X1 by drownie · · Score: 1

    because I can search my shared Directories in my Home Network, and it looks better and I can customize it and it's faster and ... ok problem is Google Desktop Search is free, so my client is going to jump off and will demand installation of the free programm instead of the 70 bucks programm. Maybe I just shouldn't tell him. BTW the biggest change: the free enterprise edition can now search in shared directories. http://www.x1.com/

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  59. sidebar! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    It's 1998 all over again!

    Netscape Sidebar! I can't believe what I am seeing!

  60. China by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Evil? What about censoring its search results to please the Chinese government?

  61. unlike Apple by adpowers · · Score: 1

    Every screenshot of the stock widget shows Apple up. They also usually include PIXR, GOOG, and AMZN as gainers. When they include MSFT, it is always red :).

  62. Sidebar by AndreiK · · Score: 1

    I REALLY like the new sidebar, but it eats up almost as much room as gAIM does. Does anyone know of a gAIM panel for the sidebar, so I can quickly view my buddy list?

  63. G-BSD by Bunyip+Redgum · · Score: 1

    >> Will it run on my NetBSD toaster? No - only on G-BSD!

  64. Evil BS by obtuse · · Score: 1

    "And BTW, they WILL do evil if that makes stocks go up!"

    Aw crap. Does anybody but confused fourteen year olds with idle CEO fantasies actually believe this stuff? "They have no choice but to maximize profits."

    And I guess Dilbert is entertaining because it represents a fantasy world with no relationship to our own. The market is perfect and right in all cases, as is corporate management which is also single-minded.

    Nope. That's the cool thing about people. We have freedom of choice. I think companies like Google where the majority is still held by a couple of principals are in a better position to behave well, but even that isn't neccessary for a company to do the right thing.

    Statements like that end up rationalizing bad behavior, as if it is always neccessary to maximize profit at all costs, and this is inexorable. That somehow if they don't, their competition will magically wipe them from the face of the earth by taking advantage of their momentary weakness.

    It ain't so. People make various decisions, suffer the consequences, and survive. Businesses are even astonishingly incompetent, and still muddle along, because the market and their competitors are also less than perfect. An astonishing number of them are around because of "right place, right time" or similar luck alone.

    Logically, this argument reduces to "If I didn't do it somebody else would have" and that dog don't hunt. (Obvious answer: "Yeah, but you're still the one who's going to get the chair.")

    People get to act like people. We have the luxury of doing what we believe is right most of the time, making mistakes, or even acting badly, and living with the consequences. In fact, to argue otherwise is immoral, merely rationalizing bad behavior, unless we are truly no more than trustees at a concentration camp.

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    1. Re:Evil BS by JonToycrafter · · Score: 1

      This is actually incorrect. From Robert Hinckley, a former corporate lawyer with 23 years of experience:

      "In Maine, where I live, this duty of directors is in Section 716 of the business corporation act, which reads: ...the directors and officers of a corporation shall exercise their powers and discharge their duties with a view to the interests of the corporation and of the shareholders....

      Although the wording of this provision differs from jurisdiction to jurisdiction, its legal effect does not. This provision is the motive behind all corporate actions everywhere in the world. Distilled to its essence, it says that the people who run corporations have a legal duty to shareholders, and that duty is to make money. Failing this duty can leave directors and officers open to being sued by shareholders."

      The full article is available here: http://www.commondreams.org/views02/0119-04.htm

      Google has some interesting provisions in their corporate charter that make it difficult to go against the wishes of the founders, but Google as a corporate entity is unique. They're a really good example of what an alternative to the current system could look like. Or at least they're moving in the right direction.

  65. Didn't like it by Mr_Silver · · Score: 3, Insightful
    I tried Google Desktop about 3 months ago and didn't like it. One problem was that I had little use for the sidebar which just took up a load of desktop space. The subscribing to every pages RSS feed sounds like a nice idea until you end up with 3000 subscriptions of which 30+ update every single time the feed is pulled.

    But the major problem for me was that *gasp* the searching wasn't very good. No seriously. Here's why:

    1. If you move a file from one location to another, it can take weeks before GDS re-indexes both areas and realises that its moved. During this time you either get pointers to the wrong location or (only slightly better) two entries showing the old location and the new location.
    2. Ditto for email. I move emails from my Outlook inbox into folders according to project. Weeks later, I still can't find the email because GDS claims its still in the inbox (but cannot open it).
    3. When GDS cannot open an indexed file because it no longer exists, GDS doesn't do the sensible thing and remove the database entry so that it no longer appears in subsequent searches. In fact, in an ideal world, GDS should check the existence of all the files before it lists them to you.
    4. Without doing some convoluted stuff, you can't force GDS to re-index everything again. This is essential after a couple of weeks because your index is too inaccurate to be any use.
    5. You can't tell GDS to re-index certain things (email, certain folders) more frequently because they change more often.
    6. Hell, you can't increase the time GDS re-indexes full stop.

    In the end I gave up and installed Copernic which is far better. It is most definitely not perfect, for example, it can't just search everything (you have to specify files, emails, contacts etc.), the toolbar search isn't as useful as Google's (you can't just type something and your results start to appear in a menu), the IE and Firefox plugins don't actually search your desktop (only the web) and that there is no integrated search bar for Outlook (I do miss this).

    However (and this is the big one), it re-index's far quicker and more often than Google and I can set it to re-index certain things (like my email) once every day which means that my results are always correct.

    It wouldn't take much that GDS would need to change for me to revert back because I like the integrated search in Outlook and the toolbar - but the database inaccuracy means that its next to useless for the way I work.

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    1. Re:Didn't like it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  66. Well, you won't catch me using it by Bertie · · Score: 1

    I present here an email from a friend of mine, edited only to change the names of the people involved:

      I sent that email at work, as you know, and then
    decided not to go in the following week. I phoned the director I sent the
    mail to and said that I couldn't work with my boss anymore and that I wanted
    to be made redundant. He negotiated with Clive and they agreed to make my
    position redundant. So far so good.

    Pete and I go to Dublin on the Thursday to meet up with some American
    friends of ours and come back on the Saturday night to find that Clive has
    HAND-DELIVERED a big A4 envelope. To cut a long story short, he'd installed
    google desktop search on my PC before I arrived and this evil little piece
    of software copies every single email and document you write and stores it
    in a folder hidden to all but the PC administrator. So he goes into this
    and finds my blog via an email. On it I have openly called him a cunt and
    ridiculed him. I also have a whole category entitled 'Things that 'Tasha
    Says' dedicated to the complete inanity of my colleague, Natasha. He has
    studiously printed out all the offending pages as well as copies of emails
    like the one I sent to you saying that the doctor thing was made up in that
    last email I sent and accompanied the whole lot with a letter saying that
    they were no longer making me redundant. Indeed I was being sacked for gross
    misconduct. ACE. I console myself with the fact that I'd essentially quit
    anyway.

  67. Google Evil ? by andr386 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I wish you were right about Google...

    More and more all my private life is scanned by google.
    Google knows everything about me.
    Via gmail they know who are my friends, where I work, what I do, ... everything.
    Via google search history they can even gather more informations, they can even guess when I was in front of my computer.

    I don't wanna draw a dark picture, but they are gaining more and more access to our private life. What do they do whith all the data they collect ? Targeting advertisement ?
    I really hope they have the best intentions and they only do that !
    Because If a I were the CIA investigating somebody, google would be the first place to go to retrieve informations.

    1. Re:Google Evil ? by Omestes · · Score: 1

      No one is forcing you to use Gmail.
      No one is forcing you to use Desktop.
      No one is even forcing you to search with them.
      OR accept their cookies.

      So, for the paranoid, don't use google, natch.

      Perhaps what Google does need, though, is assurance that they have a sunset on data personal data retention, and merely keep the anonymous tracking data, stripped of any identifying information. Something like: "We at Google will keep your information for a time period of under ONE year[month, whatnot]", and an ability to ask them what information exactly they have retained, and a perhaps a possiblity to clear your data from their servers. The former, and easy, assurance is the most probable, though.

      Now, go write Google with your concerns, you do no good posting them to /., put them where they count.

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    2. Re:Google Evil ? by drew · · Score: 1

      Via gmail they know who are my friends, where I work, what I do, ... everything.

      Then don't use GMail. You can use Hotmail, Yahoo, , your ISP's mail service, your school or work email, or even set up your own. It's not like you are limited in options of how to get an email account...

      Via google search history they can even gather more informations, they can even guess when I was in front of my computer.

      Then don't use google when you search.

      More and more all my private life is scanned by google.
      Bull. They aren't scanning anything. Google doesn't have any private information about you that you don't give them, either directly (via gmail, search history etc.) or indirectly (via information you put online that they spider). If you don't trust them, stop giving them your information...

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  68. Do Not Pass Google, Do Not Collect $200 by Mulletproof · · Score: 1

    I'll put another question to you to answer yours-- Why would microsoft get into the gaming industry when two of the top players are more than happy to corner the market with their own games?

    Because there is money to be made.

    Why not BE the OS that seemlessly integrates into the web and lock in your customer base from the get-go? Really, it's not THAT outlandish. Microsoft did if with Windows before the web, Google is doing it with the web as we speak. It's a small move to take total possession of your PC at this point. Now to be honest, I don't think the public is ripe for this eventiality yet. it's a ways off. But totally unbelievable? Not by a long shot.

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    1. Re:Do Not Pass Google, Do Not Collect $200 by Overly+Critical+Guy · · Score: 1

      Why would microsoft get into the gaming industry when two of the top players are more than happy to corner the market with their own games?

      To get the Microsoft platform into the living room. Everything Microsoft does is about protecting and extending their platform.

      It's certainly not for money--X-Boxes are sold at a loss.

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  69. Google desktop Enterprise is a BIG DEAL by Danathar · · Score: 1

    In my gov agency the only reason they have not officially supported google desktop is due to not having paid support. With this, and the next version of XP not out yet I would bet that google is going to get a LOT of sales to med/large organizations that want desktop search and support for it.

  70. Radical approach by LaughingCoder · · Score: 1

    Actually I tried Google Desktop awhile ago. I found it somewhat annoying and it seemed to slow my machine down. I guess I am in the minority - you folks must have lots more stuff to search than I do. I rarely find myself "searching" for my own stuff. Searching is something I do on the internet, and for that Google works just dandy. Do people really need this wonderful search capability to find things in their own files? What am I missing here? To keep things organized, I put my stuff in folders and give them descriptive names. Videos in My Videos, Music in My Music (artist folders beneath that), Pictures in My Pictures (year folders, then event folders beneath that), Documents in My Documents (project folders beneath that), etc. Yes, I sometimes use Outlook search for a particular email based on its content, though recently I have been getting better at creating folders and filing emails as well to minimize searching. It just seems to me that a far better solution to the problem is organizing your data in the first place.

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    1. Re:Radical approach by danpsmith · · Score: 0

      I agree for the most part. I thought that perhaps the purpose of the tool was to find something you had based on a line that was in a word document for example, but I could be wrong. Look, people, if you seriously can't find your own crap you definitely need a better organizational system on your computer. Your own desktop shouldn't be as scattered as the Internet is and therefore the need to search is minimal IMO.

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  71. Understand the tools before you use them by anomaly · · Score: 1

    How wise is it to write personal attacks on coworkers from your corporate-purchased system? If you want to be vile in your ad hominem attacks, use your own hardware, your own email address, and DON'T DO IT OVER THE COMPANY NETWORK!

    We think of PCs as our personal systems, but they are property of the company, not ours.

    It's not a great idea to give vent to negative feelings about coworkers other than in the privacy of your own home anyway.

    Also, if you post over https, I'm pretty sure there's a setting that blocks GD from indexing that content.....

    Bummer about your friend's job.

    Respectfully,
    Anomaly

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    But Herr Heisenberg, how does the electron know when I'm looking?
  72. Enterprise by adam.skinner · · Score: 1

    I checked out the docs for enterprise but I'm unclear as to one point: can the users of the desktop application share an enterprise index, while keeping their own indices as well?

    I'd like to have UserA and UserB index their own email, but also utilize a shared index on network shares to find pdf files etc.

  73. Mac version by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    but who knows, I didn't think I'd like my ipod as much as I do...


    That's a poignant confession. On the Mac, install QuickSilver for an unbelievably enlightening search experience.


    (Any effort undertaken to Google search bar to OS X would be done by Sisyphus, indeed.)

  74. Re:Scripting Plug-ins with Javascript - the new VB by zettabyte · · Score: 2, Informative

    Javascript is a much maligned language that is actually pretty powerful.

    I've been toying around with XUL applications on Mozilla and have been learning alot about the power of the language.

    I think it's humble beginnings have stereotyped it as a toy, while the reality is that it's extremely powerful and flexible.

    The new ECMA 357 spec is pretty interesting, too.

  75. no hate, just monopoly... by Herve5 · · Score: 1

    "I guess, though, unlike most /monkeys I need an actual reason to hate a company, not just the fact that they are big..."

    There is no reason to hate them, but a concern about their monopoly.

    Now, contrary to e. g. Apple whose music monopoly is faded out by their "anti-monopoly" situation on MacOS, Google's is very visible...

    Hervé

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    1. Re:no hate, just monopoly... by Omestes · · Score: 1

      Clarify?

      What monopoly? On search technology? About once a month there is another item on /. about a new search service, presumably using a new technology.

      I don't see a monopoly here. AND as has been posted here several times, there is nothing wrong with a monopoly per se, only with aggressive monopolies, as in shutting out your competition, or artificially limiting the market to your product. Google, as of yet, has not exibited these tendencies. Unless there is something forcing you to use Google over A9, or whatnot.

      I think their monopoly is benign, like Apple's "iTunes" monopoly, it is a natural one, in that they have a superior product, and the market share reports this fact. It's not like all services are created equal. MS's monopoly is[was] NOT benign, in that they don't have the superior product, they got their share from being dirty birds.

      There IS a risk of Google (or more so Apple) misusing their position, and we SHOULD be vigilant, but we should also be optimistic in the fact that both of these companies have displayed a degree of ethical standards in the past.

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  76. Install Procedure is Dumb by north.coaster · · Score: 1

    It's amazing to me that in this day and age Google Desktop does not allow the user to choose which XP partition to install it on. My problem is that when I install the program it chooses my C: partition, but once installed it does not leave enough free space to support XP's defrag program. Good thing the uninstall command works :-(

  77. Re:Scripting Plug-ins with Javascript - the new VB by TractorBarry · · Score: 1

    > the new VBA

    More users... mostly bloody managers... creating horrible, unwieldy, unmaintainable, unstructured, badly thought out, crappy, "Mission critical", shiteware.

    Some Bod: "You people know code, don't you ?".
    Me: "Er... Yes"
    Bod: "Can you support this 100,000 line steaming pile of ordure that Mr. Fuckke-Witte knocked up one morning, using only a 'Learn VBA in you Lunch Hour' book, and which now contains all the data required to keep the company afloat."

    NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO !!!!!!!!!!!

    VBA... The horror... The horror...

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  78. Google Linux!? by TheZorch · · Score: 1

    Why don't they just get one of the distributions like Mandriva or Red Hat and make their own version of Linux.

    I think it might actually do well.

    Also, its about time somebody developed a replacement for XFREE86 and built a "real" GUI environment for Linux that's not server/client based.

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    1. Re:Google Linux!? by Ash-Fox · · Score: 1

      The replacement is called x.org.

      There have been advantages shown to the server/client model for GUI display... I have yet to see the problems with it that cannot be addressed.

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    2. Re:Google Linux!? by JamesGecko · · Score: 1
      Also, its about time somebody developed a replacement for XFREE86...

      It's called X.org. Based on xfree86, but it is a replacement. ;-)

  79. Where is the wild-card search? by yevgyeni · · Score: 1

    Admittedly, I have not downloaded the new Google Desktop, but in the last two iterations of the Desktop Search tool, it wouldn't do a simple wild-card search! I don't know how other people search for files on their machines, but my memory for file names isn't that good, nor is my spelling, so I'd rather use plain old WinXP search, which can at least use wild-cards, no matter how slow it is to use. To me, that should be part of a search tool's primary functionality, and it is the reason I keep trying and uninstalling the Desktop Search everytime it comes out.

  80. Ain't gonna happen... by LeFaux · · Score: 1

    Google doesn't need or want to do an OS. The OS of the the future is a BYO (Bring You Own) party where any OS with a connection to the web will be able to access the services offered by google. Perhaps some OS's and or browsers will access these services better than others. For Google to do an OS would imply that they care about something other than their area of expertise. I suspect that this would only happen if Gates and Ballmer continue to piss them off.

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  81. Darn! My company blocks the site by TheWaiting777 · · Score: 1

    The company I work for is filtering many of the google projects including the http://desktop.google.com/ and http://www.google.com/talk/! What is there to fear?

  82. Sidebar alternatives by Anonymous+Commando · · Score: 1

    The search functionality of Google Desktop is great, but there still aren't enough sidebar plugins (at least not with the functionality that I'm looking for) for it to replace Desktop Sidebar on my workstation. There's a great deal of third-party plugin and skin development for it right now - a nifty little piece of software if you've got a big enough screen to be able to afford to give some up for a sidebar.

    Google Desktop for me consists of the toolbar entry only, which is still a damn fine way to search through all my e-mail, Trillian logs, files, etc. Saved my ass more than once. I'll be watching plugin development for the sidebar with interest.

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  83. Outlook integration by Rethcir · · Score: 1

    I would use this tool MUCH more often if it didn't have trouble with archived folders in Outlook. I get tons of mail so I have an Outlook AutoArchive every 14 days. (since I have an exchange server I don't have any other mail client options fwiw) However, when the mail is autoarchived and moved to a different folder, Google will show a search result but not actually link to it since it has moved, and I have to manually search for it by date. I haven't tried this new version but my wishlist would include options to re-index every night or something like that.

  84. Re:Scripting Plug-ins with Javascript - the new VB by cfish · · Score: 1

    Wow. You, sir, understand my pain. Your precise description of what's happening to me makes it feel a little better.

  85. How about Kat? by Mitchell+Mebane · · Score: 1
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  86. Re:Scripting Plug-ins with Javascript - the new VB by 99BottlesOfBeerInMyF · · Score: 1

    The application was not bad, it just crashed my computer anytime I left it up overnight.

    An application crashed your whole computer... and that's not bad? The last application I found that could accidentally crash my OS was years ago. Ouch, it still sucks to be a Windows user I guess.

  87. Re:Darn! My company blocks the site by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  88. Re:Wow by ChocoBean · · Score: 1

    stop 5 minutes and take a look at Bill Gates 60.000+ SqFt house outside Seattle

    Wow, real estate prices have REALLY soared in Seattle, haven't they? Tsk tsk tsk, poor multi-million bastard, should just come up to Canada where land is so cheap it's a steal. (Um, from the natives....)

  89. cool stuff from Google by ChocoBean · · Score: 1

    Yup, 20% time. If you think about it, that's every Friday or everyone Monday if you want it to be.

    In addition to "time" given on your pet project, Google staff will also get to use Google's servers and database of wealth and other google goodies to AID their pet projects. And if it sounds sufficiently cool enough, you can get your co-workers to user their 20% time on it. So essentially you can have a full-time team you know and trust, using Google Goodies to do something you think is awesome fun.

    ;_; I want to work for google one day. Hopefully they'll still be the kindly giant that they are now...

  90. What's the business model? by Corngood · · Score: 1

    Either it's free or not. How is a non-free Linux derivative going to do in the market, and how are Linux users going to deal with that?

  91. Do I really need this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why would I want this? So I can have another big company tracking my computer use habits? It sounds like all the functionality of this could be handled with my browser's Favorites menu. The article touts that I "can track my credit card transactions in real time". Seriously, what use is that? I check the weather before I go out in the morning. Does it change so fast that I continuously need it on my desktop? Google's site lists these as the top 5 plugins: A todo list, iTunes controller, a customizable clock, a system monitor and "Adsense Status".
    Hmmm, maybe this is a killer app?

    1. Re:Do I really need this? by patgrahamblock · · Score: 1
      I am not up for anything that creates more spyware.

      Thanks for all you do!

      Pat

  92. Google Desktop for Outlook express by evisoft · · Score: 1

    Here are my 2cents for Google, plug-in for Outlook Express Allow to search easy, close interface to Google Outlook plug-in. http://www.esanu.name/programs/

  93. duty to shareholders by obtuse · · Score: 1

    Yes but...

    I thought that I had conceded that point in my initial statment.

    Notice that the law does not define that duty as exclusive to all others, and in fact the quoted example uses the phrase "with a view to" which isn't exactly strong language. Thus that duty is not to make the most money possible at all possible (other) costs, as is the usual argument I am disputing.

    The best support for my argument would be the rarity of civil suits based on _duty to make money_ laws. As far as I can tell, it happens very rarely. For example, are the shareholders even going after Enron or MCI's execs? I don't think so (although I admit I am not certain) yet they are egregious violators. This tells me that obeying conscience and the law in executing the duty to make money for the shareholders won't be prosecuted either.

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