It's a undisputed fact that Black people are over respresented in media. Black people make up 12.12% of the US populace according to the last census. They make up 20% of all media characters/talking heads in media according to some studies. This occurs because Asians of all sorts are under represented (1% of charcters 5% of the pop). Hispanics as well but not as severely. I do imagine that the quality of this over representation is poor.
If you would have offered a source rather than stating it was "a undisputed fact", I would have modded you up. What you say sounds feasable, but anytime I hear somebody say "It's a undisputed fact" it sets off the "tinfoil hat brigade" warning bells.
Because of how difficult it is to upgrade a Mac compared to a PC.
OK, please explain what you mean. What part of upgrading are you talking about exactly? RAM? You just open up the case via the pull latch and you can easily put it in. Hardrives? You open up the case, take four of the little green beads that are there and screw them in and then push your drive into place. Then plug in the cables which are already there and waiting to be plugged in. Video card? Just plug it in and the Mac recognises it and all you have to worry about is opening up the Display preferences to make sure your extra desktop space is arranged the way you want. CPU? Haven't tried lately but I've heard that people have been dropping in new Intel CPUs into their Mactel boxen without issue. Before that you had plenty of 3rd party upgrade cards including things like ZIF sockets to make sure things didn't get broken doing so. The only thing I don't think you can upgrade is the motherboard/case and then it's not difficult, just expensive because you have to buy a new machine. So, I really don't get this "difficult to upgrade" thing you're coming up with since in my job as desktop support in multiplatform environment for years, the PC side has historically been harder to upgrade (especially with unusual case designs). Perhaps you mean more exspensive, but once again you're talking about motheboard/case and perhaps video cards since everything else is stock and the same stuff you put into any other PCs and has been for years.
Give people a 3 month warning, then start disconnecting the countries that are the worst violators, giving the secondary violators another warning. In one month, if they pass new laws or fund new enforcements, they get a trial hook up again.
Genius. Given that stopping spam is pretty much an unobtainable goal, in three months time the US will be isolated from the web. Followed by China, Russia, Japan and S Korea. One simple law and it's possible to destory the internet and the international economy in just a few months.
1. You do not own 'your' job.
2. You are not entitled to a job.
3. If someone else is willing to do the same work for less money than you do, too damn bad for you.
4. Yes, it is a race to the bottom. No, that isn't necessarily a bad thing in the long run. When you want to fill a container you have to fill the bottom first.
5. If you think you're better than the people 'your' job was outsourced to, prove it.
6. If things get too bad, mobs will drag those they deem responsible into the street and shoot them.
Can someone please explain to me what the market is for portable video players with builtin viewing screens, in general? 1. Plane travel - Lasts longer than a laptop. Can be powered on normal batteries unlike a laptop. Can play till it's dead and not worry about being unable to do work on your laptop.
2. Public transit - Lots of people ride the bus for an hour or two every morning even in the largest American cities. More in other countries with decent public and mass transit.
3. Gym - Lots of people spend several times a week running in place for an hour and would rather watch what they want to than what the gym management wants to.
4. for photos - When on vacation, or a photoshoot, photos can be downloaded and still viewed to an effectivly weightless iPod on the go rather than a large 10 pound laptop that requires more space than you camera
5. Riding in somebody else car for long periods of time - It gets boring riding in a car fo r several hours, especially if you're not in the front seat with the driver
6. Lighter and smaller than a laptop
7. It's not a TV, it allows you to watch what you want, not what others want you to watch.
It was 1 & 4 plus a trip to Tokyo for me. I was very happy that I was able to watch the TV shows I wanted to watch (Lost & BSG) rather than the crappy movie they played. It allowed me to take photos all day long without making me tote along my laptop or run back to the hotel to download pics from my camera, while costing less than the extra CF cards that I would have required to shoot all day long without having to download. 3 came later but I am very glad I'll never have to watch episode of Friends ever again and would be enough of a reason to buy a new one if my current one broke.
Who are the idiot programmers designing this important software for 'home use' / 'general purpose' operating systems? GE
Phillips
Cerner
McKesson
Siemens
Camtronics
Fuji
Pretty much everybody. There's the occational medical imaging application on a *nix, but the IT directors don't want to buy or support it. Even the above companies "web" products only work with certain versions of Windows running certain versions of IE (despite promises they made before the purchase of said software).
to see these old chestnuts dragged out with every new version of Windows. There isn't a single new complaint since Windows95. Most of it unqualified paranoid ranting. If we still have the same complaints after 11 years of complaining, then I'd say it's qualified paranoid ranting, and just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they're not out to get you.
I'll agree that it's all about the interface. However, I don't have much trouble calling or texting people on my phone list as I do accessing the internet. Ever since I found myself in at the end of a three hour road trip only to realize I'd lost my final desitination's address and my passenger was able to find it by looking their website up on the internet on his phone, that feature has been a must. However, it's way too much trouble to even do a simple search. I'm not talking about trouble viewing the pages, but simply pulling up Google, typing in my search, and hitting enter has proved much more troublesome than it should be because the interface sucks so badly.
Why would we research unavailable materials? To make those materials obtainable. After they are obtained and the structure built, most of what you are bitching about will be trivial. You don't beam power up to the transport module. You have a power generator in deep space where it is free and plentyful and then you send it back down the cable to the surface where it can power cities. Along the way, the transport module can tap into that and use it for a constant acceleration for a realativly speedy ride up and down.
The rest of you post is simply the ranting of a man that doesn't understand the conversation. Right now, a space elevator woudl be the prefered end result because it would be the cheapest and easiest way to move things up from and down into of the gravity well. It's not being propsed as an immediate solution. If another method can be shown to be a cheaper end result, then I'm sure people will be looking at it. in the meantime, I suspect the vast amount of research that is going towards this project, such as the development of material needed for the tether, is coming from other research that has other purposes. Even if they stopped trying to devlop a space elevator, the same research would be carried out because I suspect that hardly any in the grand scale of things is being carried out soley for the goal of building a space elevator.
Your use of caps does not say much for your mental state either.
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Got one and I only get about 3 or 3.5 hours out of it.
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Of course, I still don't see the most important comparison (in my buying mind anyway), which is battery life. The new iPod is nice and slim, but I could actually make better use of something a little larger that had longer video battery life. The 3Gen iPod I have was plenty small emough for me and I'd take something that large if I could get more video time for those long plane flights.
He's saying that they had a schedule to meet, and the features that made the cut were all they could get done reliably by the ship date given their (the ie team's, not Microsoft's) resources.
No shit! We knew that. The person of the original question knew this. The question was (paraphrased) "If you had enough time and resources to add another feature, what would it be?" It's a fairly simple questions and could have had a fairly simple answer, even if he just listed half a dozen obscure technologies or features but couldn't decide between them. That the person responding to the question replied with how they didn't have enough time and resources to do everything, which was already implied by the question, makes me feel that the people answering these questions were too fenced in my MS to give straight answers to anything. Certianly I didn't think they were that stupid to misunderstand the question. So, at that point I quit reading the article since if they couldn't answer this question with anything infromative, I figure they coudln't answer any other question with anything other than MS marketing.
If you had more time, is there a new feature you would have liked to include in IE7?
Dean Hachamovitch:
Yes, several come to mind. None were more important than shipping. None were more important than the bug fix work we did in response to beta feedback.
The temptation to get "just one more feature in" is so strong... one more CSS fix, one more neat facility for developers, one more performance optimization, one more cool end-user feature. The thing that made it easier to resist the temptation and ship is the prototype and planning work we've started on the next release of IE.
Is he saying that they didn't have time to ship it, or is he just avoiding the question?
I'd argue that it's the endgame that's broken. The 1-59 levelling experience is one of the best if not the most casual-friendly on the market. It's what happens after 60 that wrecks lives.
True. This is what I'm experiencing right now as a player that can only play an hour or two at a time. Once you hit 60, all you can do is upgrade your gear. To run an instance it takes 4-5 hours (not including the hour or two of chaos if you have to get everybody organized) to get something like a 33% chance at getting a decent item. However, if soloing, there are no quests that take even 15 hours of game play to get a similar item. You can do rep grinds or try to get Darkmoon tickets for superior or epic items, but those run somewhere around 60 hours of gameplay to end with decent results at level 60. Even just farming for money will take 30-50 hours of game play to buy a decent blue on the AH. The only thing that even comes close is the manufacture of some items with trade skills but there aren't really enough to bother with and even then you're usually left to do grinds to get the money to buy the pattern and mats rather than some sort of quest with a storyline.
And all the teens I played 40k against played Eldar and Tyranid because they were cool. SM players all tended to be older gamers who liked the mythology and those that couldn't afford custom armies that built up from the base game units or bought old minis from other players (who were now playing eldar and tyranid). Then you have to think about the new influx of gamers, girls. Many of WoW players are female, while almost none of the 40k players are. If as an online game, it gains female players similar to WoW, what races will they play? All male space marines that look and act like sports jocks on steriods?
Of course, for that matter and while using allegorical sources, most NE on my server seem to be rogues or druids.
Space marines would be to WH40K what Night Elf Hunters would be to World of Warcraft.
I think Eldar Warpspiders* would be the NE Hunters. SM would be more like the human warriors and SM psykers the paladins. Zerg, er, I mean Tyranid**, would be interesting because because they would be a commander with a bunch of little creatures. Of course, the game would be interesting if every character had their own little creatures to run around. Orcs would have gretchin. SM commanders would have othe SM. Ditto with the eldar. perhaps it could be a talant tree and you coudl either get subordenants to run around with you, or you could make your character more powerful.
*Haven't played 40k since 3rd edition invalidated most of my army and I sold everything in disgust, so some of my stuff may be old.
** Yes, i know Tyranid came first, but it's habit at this point since zerg is a verb and tyranid isn't.
Ya, right, nobody would ever want to be Eldar or Tyranid. SM may be popular but every race has their fans and I suspect there will be many classes that they won't have. People aren't going to have all beakie characters, they'll have one and then the others will be other classes and races. For that matter, they'll just solve it the same way they solve the minis problem, whenever a new race comes out, it will be overpowered so everybody wants to play them.
For electricity generation, there are alternatives like coal (yeah, it is dirty), or nuclear (yeah, most people fear it) or tar sands (yeah, it is expensive to recover) or wind (yeah, it has some problems), solar (yes, it needs high investment).
Well, coal is not an alternative, it's the current main fuel in the US for electricity at 51% last I checked. You forgot hydro which is about 20% of US electricity. Oil actually has very little to do with generating electricy, running about 2%. Natural gas runs a few more %, more than oil, IIRC. So you are correct, but it's not like we are using oil right now in that sector for energy generation. The electrical generation sector is not heading to a landing with the loss of oil, but rather has never got off the ground.
How about putting music into the device in the first place?
Like I said, until they get those Telsa towers to broadcast power wirelessly, I have to plug my MP3 player into my computer to charge the battery anyway. Download happens way before it's finished charging. I bet it happens faster than wireless. Wirelessly downloading songs to the MP3 player is useless because it's going to be plugged in to charge anyway. If it's searching for wireless networks to download, that's just another drain of power (and possible interface issue if it keeps asking me if I want to download stuff). If it's not, then I have to take extra time to activly preform a function that happens seemlessly when I plug my MP3 player to my computer.
I've had wireless on my PDA for years. Besides a transfer of business information once just to see it work, I never really used it. Had plenty of opportunities to do so in the business IT world, but it never caught on. The few times I asked if they could beam me some info (because there was no other way), it never was up to the feat. If I had been fully familiar with the functionality, it might have been ok, but by then the time and effort to learn to make the device work is more than saved by using the functionality.
Does anybody really not think wireless will soon be a mandatory feature for all portable media players?
I really see no need for it. The only purpose for portable media players is to play media and the only reason I'd need wireless is to have wireless headphones. Wireless earbuds would get lost so easy, it wouldn't even be funny. I don't need to get my files wirelessly from my PC because I have to plug it in to charge the portable player anyway. The only point for wireless media players would be to trade media, and to be honest, I don't look to trade media while I'm using my media player. It might come in handy occationally when talking to freinds IRL and you both just happen to have your media players so you can share media you are talking about. I suspect that will be a fraction of the occurances of media sharing and that lackign wireless will result in less than.1% loss of functionability because 99.9% of the time people are using their media players, they're going to be playing media.
Personally, I think the only wireless feature that anybody will notice missing will be an AM/FM reciever. That is actually used for listening to media.
Not if there was wind. If the wind was 1 km/hr and the entrance to the machine was 1 meter by 44 meters, it should have 44,000 cubic meters of air cycle through in an hour. Of course, that's at 100% efficiency and if there is no back pressure caused by airflow through the device itself.
To play a Devil's Advocate, the Cylons have human shaped versions that seem to be in command of the Cylon culture and the "space ships" are little more than dogs. They are also machines that were engineered and built even if of biological material. It could very well be that Cylon raiders were built so that one of the human versions could fly it just like Starbuck did. If a human version ever needed a ship, they coudl just put down the dog's brain (or maybe even remove it without harm) and then crawl inside and use it as one. Essentially, all Starbuck might have done is figured out how to fly the ship wihtout labels on the controls.
If your CFL bulbs are only lasting 6 months, and normal ones even shorter, the problem is not the bulbs. The power to your house if probably really dirty with lots of spikes and dips. That's what's killing your bulbs, just as it will probably kill just about anything without sufficient protection that you plug in.
No doubt, I have a lone Windows box at home which is set up to play Warlords III and IV. It sits right next to my PS2 (Katamari Damacy) and Xbox (Dai Senryaku VII).
At work where I am the IT guy; our deparment was forced to switch to Windows from mac because GE made a "web" app that requires IE on Windows to run (despite their promises beforehand that it would run on anything). I support a large group of people (doctors mostly) who now have two computers on their desk, an old 400 mHz Mac they use for everything except that one "web" app that aren't getting upgraded because new computers have to run that app, and brand new 3 GHz Windows boxes that end up doing nothing but run that one app.
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OK, please explain what you mean. What part of upgrading are you talking about exactly? RAM? You just open up the case via the pull latch and you can easily put it in. Hardrives? You open up the case, take four of the little green beads that are there and screw them in and then push your drive into place. Then plug in the cables which are already there and waiting to be plugged in. Video card? Just plug it in and the Mac recognises it and all you have to worry about is opening up the Display preferences to make sure your extra desktop space is arranged the way you want. CPU? Haven't tried lately but I've heard that people have been dropping in new Intel CPUs into their Mactel boxen without issue. Before that you had plenty of 3rd party upgrade cards including things like ZIF sockets to make sure things didn't get broken doing so. The only thing I don't think you can upgrade is the motherboard/case and then it's not difficult, just expensive because you have to buy a new machine. So, I really don't get this "difficult to upgrade" thing you're coming up with since in my job as desktop support in multiplatform environment for years, the PC side has historically been harder to upgrade (especially with unusual case designs). Perhaps you mean more exspensive, but once again you're talking about motheboard/case and perhaps video cards since everything else is stock and the same stuff you put into any other PCs and has been for years.
Genius. Given that stopping spam is pretty much an unobtainable goal, in three months time the US will be isolated from the web. Followed by China, Russia, Japan and S Korea. One simple law and it's possible to destory the internet and the international economy in just a few months.
2. You are not entitled to a job.
3. If someone else is willing to do the same work for less money than you do, too damn bad for you.
4. Yes, it is a race to the bottom. No, that isn't necessarily a bad thing in the long run. When you want to fill a container you have to fill the bottom first.
5. If you think you're better than the people 'your' job was outsourced to, prove it.
6. If things get too bad, mobs will drag those they deem responsible into the street and shoot them.
2. Public transit - Lots of people ride the bus for an hour or two every morning even in the largest American cities. More in other countries with decent public and mass transit.
3. Gym - Lots of people spend several times a week running in place for an hour and would rather watch what they want to than what the gym management wants to.
4. for photos - When on vacation, or a photoshoot, photos can be downloaded and still viewed to an effectivly weightless iPod on the go rather than a large 10 pound laptop that requires more space than you camera
5. Riding in somebody else car for long periods of time - It gets boring riding in a car fo r several hours, especially if you're not in the front seat with the driver
6. Lighter and smaller than a laptop
7. It's not a TV, it allows you to watch what you want, not what others want you to watch.
It was 1 & 4 plus a trip to Tokyo for me. I was very happy that I was able to watch the TV shows I wanted to watch (Lost & BSG) rather than the crappy movie they played. It allowed me to take photos all day long without making me tote along my laptop or run back to the hotel to download pics from my camera, while costing less than the extra CF cards that I would have required to shoot all day long without having to download. 3 came later but I am very glad I'll never have to watch episode of Friends ever again and would be enough of a reason to buy a new one if my current one broke.
I'll agree that it's all about the interface. However, I don't have much trouble calling or texting people on my phone list as I do accessing the internet. Ever since I found myself in at the end of a three hour road trip only to realize I'd lost my final desitination's address and my passenger was able to find it by looking their website up on the internet on his phone, that feature has been a must. However, it's way too much trouble to even do a simple search. I'm not talking about trouble viewing the pages, but simply pulling up Google, typing in my search, and hitting enter has proved much more troublesome than it should be because the interface sucks so badly.
Why would we research unavailable materials? To make those materials obtainable. After they are obtained and the structure built, most of what you are bitching about will be trivial. You don't beam power up to the transport module. You have a power generator in deep space where it is free and plentyful and then you send it back down the cable to the surface where it can power cities. Along the way, the transport module can tap into that and use it for a constant acceleration for a realativly speedy ride up and down.
The rest of you post is simply the ranting of a man that doesn't understand the conversation. Right now, a space elevator woudl be the prefered end result because it would be the cheapest and easiest way to move things up from and down into of the gravity well. It's not being propsed as an immediate solution. If another method can be shown to be a cheaper end result, then I'm sure people will be looking at it. in the meantime, I suspect the vast amount of research that is going towards this project, such as the development of material needed for the tether, is coming from other research that has other purposes. Even if they stopped trying to devlop a space elevator, the same research would be carried out because I suspect that hardly any in the grand scale of things is being carried out soley for the goal of building a space elevator.
Your use of caps does not say much for your mental state either.
Got one and I only get about 3 or 3.5 hours out of it.
Of course, I still don't see the most important comparison (in my buying mind anyway), which is battery life. The new iPod is nice and slim, but I could actually make better use of something a little larger that had longer video battery life. The 3Gen iPod I have was plenty small emough for me and I'd take something that large if I could get more video time for those long plane flights.
No shit! We knew that. The person of the original question knew this. The question was (paraphrased) "If you had enough time and resources to add another feature, what would it be?" It's a fairly simple questions and could have had a fairly simple answer, even if he just listed half a dozen obscure technologies or features but couldn't decide between them. That the person responding to the question replied with how they didn't have enough time and resources to do everything, which was already implied by the question, makes me feel that the people answering these questions were too fenced in my MS to give straight answers to anything. Certianly I didn't think they were that stupid to misunderstand the question. So, at that point I quit reading the article since if they couldn't answer this question with anything infromative, I figure they coudln't answer any other question with anything other than MS marketing.
True. This is what I'm experiencing right now as a player that can only play an hour or two at a time. Once you hit 60, all you can do is upgrade your gear. To run an instance it takes 4-5 hours (not including the hour or two of chaos if you have to get everybody organized) to get something like a 33% chance at getting a decent item. However, if soloing, there are no quests that take even 15 hours of game play to get a similar item. You can do rep grinds or try to get Darkmoon tickets for superior or epic items, but those run somewhere around 60 hours of gameplay to end with decent results at level 60. Even just farming for money will take 30-50 hours of game play to buy a decent blue on the AH. The only thing that even comes close is the manufacture of some items with trade skills but there aren't really enough to bother with and even then you're usually left to do grinds to get the money to buy the pattern and mats rather than some sort of quest with a storyline.
And all the teens I played 40k against played Eldar and Tyranid because they were cool. SM players all tended to be older gamers who liked the mythology and those that couldn't afford custom armies that built up from the base game units or bought old minis from other players (who were now playing eldar and tyranid). Then you have to think about the new influx of gamers, girls. Many of WoW players are female, while almost none of the 40k players are. If as an online game, it gains female players similar to WoW, what races will they play? All male space marines that look and act like sports jocks on steriods?
Of course, for that matter and while using allegorical sources, most NE on my server seem to be rogues or druids.
I think Eldar Warpspiders* would be the NE Hunters. SM would be more like the human warriors and SM psykers the paladins. Zerg, er, I mean Tyranid**, would be interesting because because they would be a commander with a bunch of little creatures. Of course, the game would be interesting if every character had their own little creatures to run around. Orcs would have gretchin. SM commanders would have othe SM. Ditto with the eldar. perhaps it could be a talant tree and you coudl either get subordenants to run around with you, or you could make your character more powerful.
*Haven't played 40k since 3rd edition invalidated most of my army and I sold everything in disgust, so some of my stuff may be old.
** Yes, i know Tyranid came first, but it's habit at this point since zerg is a verb and tyranid isn't.
Ya, right, nobody would ever want to be Eldar or Tyranid. SM may be popular but every race has their fans and I suspect there will be many classes that they won't have. People aren't going to have all beakie characters, they'll have one and then the others will be other classes and races. For that matter, they'll just solve it the same way they solve the minis problem, whenever a new race comes out, it will be overpowered so everybody wants to play them.
Well, coal is not an alternative, it's the current main fuel in the US for electricity at 51% last I checked. You forgot hydro which is about 20% of US electricity. Oil actually has very little to do with generating electricy, running about 2%. Natural gas runs a few more %, more than oil, IIRC. So you are correct, but it's not like we are using oil right now in that sector for energy generation. The electrical generation sector is not heading to a landing with the loss of oil, but rather has never got off the ground.
How about putting music into the device in the first place?
Like I said, until they get those Telsa towers to broadcast power wirelessly, I have to plug my MP3 player into my computer to charge the battery anyway. Download happens way before it's finished charging. I bet it happens faster than wireless. Wirelessly downloading songs to the MP3 player is useless because it's going to be plugged in to charge anyway. If it's searching for wireless networks to download, that's just another drain of power (and possible interface issue if it keeps asking me if I want to download stuff). If it's not, then I have to take extra time to activly preform a function that happens seemlessly when I plug my MP3 player to my computer.
I've had wireless on my PDA for years. Besides a transfer of business information once just to see it work, I never really used it. Had plenty of opportunities to do so in the business IT world, but it never caught on. The few times I asked if they could beam me some info (because there was no other way), it never was up to the feat. If I had been fully familiar with the functionality, it might have been ok, but by then the time and effort to learn to make the device work is more than saved by using the functionality.
Does anybody really not think wireless will soon be a mandatory feature for all portable media players?
I really see no need for it. The only purpose for portable media players is to play media and the only reason I'd need wireless is to have wireless headphones. Wireless earbuds would get lost so easy, it wouldn't even be funny. I don't need to get my files wirelessly from my PC because I have to plug it in to charge the portable player anyway. The only point for wireless media players would be to trade media, and to be honest, I don't look to trade media while I'm using my media player. It might come in handy occationally when talking to freinds IRL and you both just happen to have your media players so you can share media you are talking about. I suspect that will be a fraction of the occurances of media sharing and that lackign wireless will result in less than .1% loss of functionability because 99.9% of the time people are using their media players, they're going to be playing media.
Personally, I think the only wireless feature that anybody will notice missing will be an AM/FM reciever. That is actually used for listening to media.
Not if there was wind. If the wind was 1 km/hr and the entrance to the machine was 1 meter by 44 meters, it should have 44,000 cubic meters of air cycle through in an hour. Of course, that's at 100% efficiency and if there is no back pressure caused by airflow through the device itself.
To play a Devil's Advocate, the Cylons have human shaped versions that seem to be in command of the Cylon culture and the "space ships" are little more than dogs. They are also machines that were engineered and built even if of biological material. It could very well be that Cylon raiders were built so that one of the human versions could fly it just like Starbuck did. If a human version ever needed a ship, they coudl just put down the dog's brain (or maybe even remove it without harm) and then crawl inside and use it as one. Essentially, all Starbuck might have done is figured out how to fly the ship wihtout labels on the controls.
If your CFL bulbs are only lasting 6 months, and normal ones even shorter, the problem is not the bulbs. The power to your house if probably really dirty with lots of spikes and dips. That's what's killing your bulbs, just as it will probably kill just about anything without sufficient protection that you plug in.
Hey, then it would be even easier for Apple users to use car analogies.
No doubt, I have a lone Windows box at home which is set up to play Warlords III and IV. It sits right next to my PS2 (Katamari Damacy) and Xbox (Dai Senryaku VII). At work where I am the IT guy; our deparment was forced to switch to Windows from mac because GE made a "web" app that requires IE on Windows to run (despite their promises beforehand that it would run on anything). I support a large group of people (doctors mostly) who now have two computers on their desk, an old 400 mHz Mac they use for everything except that one "web" app that aren't getting upgraded because new computers have to run that app, and brand new 3 GHz Windows boxes that end up doing nothing but run that one app.