So far it has turded all over every virtualization software package i've tried so far on windows.
VMware 3.1.4 = nogo (HAL_INITIALIZATION_FAILED @ blue graphical screen
Qemu 11.0 (via qemu manager) = nogo (STOP 0x7F w./ 0xd,0x0,0x0,0x0 parameters @ black text screen)
Virtuabox 4.1.2 = nogo (Griped about missing files after giving me much false hope)
This was with the 32-bit version.
Will try again tomorrow.
I've seen speculation as to the requirement of ACPI 2.0 being the issue with VMware but that's all I know...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y932_swJhWQ
The only thing I have to say about that... still downloading @ 1.8MB/s between 2 downloads... This is actually a Thinkpad T60... There's definitely more to gain from pushing/prodding them to get it right in the end....
Somebody at Microsoft might have come up with the name just for this particular occasion... Not trying to give them too much credit for forethought though...
Downloading for the purpose of testing on what I consider a marginal hardware spec, considering I guess I'm going to have to virtualize for the 64-bit version with developers tools. Intel Core Duo T2400 @ 1.83GHz... 2GB RAM, 30 GB or so of disk space. I will install the 32-bit edition natively though... My guess is it's going to be kind of like the 2000->XP move where the user interface was refined (some may see it differently) and a bit more thought was given to future proofing it for hardware. Hope they release an ARM setup soon... Wouldn't mind playing around with full blown windows on tiny (and cheap) ARM hardware...
Given the cheapness of ARM hardware, I see no reason why a $50 all-in-one computer wouldn't be possible, aside from the historical greediness of the software vendors, LCD manufacturers, etc...
The trend seems to start at Windows 95... 3.11 for Workgroups is okay if you need something that will run on an 80386SX @ 12MHz.
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/126746 seems to indicate that 3.1 will run on an 80286 never seen that done, but it just seems like it would be intensely frustrating...
Get these name on the watchlist ASAP.. John Smith, James Smith, Michael Smith, Robert Smith, John Johnson, James Johnson, Michael Johnson, Robert Johnson, John Williams, James Williams, Robert Williams, Michael Williams... surely one of those guys must be a bad guy, given the prevalence of the names... better safe than sorry!
Using off the shelf hardware, groups of people could pool internet resources to ensure their continued ability to access the internet. Even with a very large mesh network (not just wireless), it would only be a few hops to an internet gateway. This would have the added benefit of providing redundancy for the people involved (e.g. in an area where Comcast and AT&T are the only "physical" ISP's). It would also be imperative not to "oversell" your connection capacity, as this would basically kill the usability of the system. You could also contractually obligate people involved to prevent unauthorized usage. Obviously, you'd want to eliminate or restrict leeching as much as possible. This in conjunction with other external proxies, TOR, intelligent routing around of things filtered by certain ISP's, etc. would make for a potentially uninterruptable local service, provided that internet access was available anywhere in the general area your system covered. Automatic routing of certain sites to foreign proxies by encrypted tunnels would be potentially useful. You could even pull from internet gateways many miles away with wireless point to point links. The biggest problem is... getting people to work together, before it becomes impossible to deploy such a system. So sadly, a useful outernet is probably never going to be realized. Should it ever become necessary, I'll give it my best shot. I don't necessarily see untampered internet access as a basic human right, but so long as it's available for some(most?) it should be available for all.
The internet should simply be a packet delivery system... would you put up with someone cutting open your mail, reading everything, possibly making modification, taping it back shut, and sending it on?
Anyone out there have any practical applications for this? Size would seem to be a problem. Somebody mentioned fluidics. Perhaps he should experiment using gases instead (air computer?). Its still cool; doing logically what several dozen transistors can do.
Having no current job, and thus no fuel for my car, I find no choice but to surrender my (intangible?) right to privacy in that regard. I would figure companies would try their very hardest to prevent 'leakage' but with any system, theres always the human element.
Enough of the "My PC is my significant other!" your making the rest of us look bad.
(but i wonder how many people defy this self imposed stereotype)
I wonder how i would hold up to this if i had a significant other
Also, do they by some strange circumstance do they count those who admit to not having a significant other?
System/3! System/3! See how it runs! See how it runs!
Its monitor loses so totally!
It runs all its programs in RPG!
It's made by our favorite monopoly! System/3!
funny microsoft should be talking about choice... i mean, really, it's a choice to use it... it's a choice not to use it... i'm indifferent as to it... i use "..." a lot... windows xp is bloated...and so on and so forth...
another crappy interface from a monopolizing giant controlled by an obviously psycho introvert who cares nothing for users privacy or productivity, but rather about monetary gains...IMO that is, but i guess people have the right to difference of opinions, unless it's with microsoft's opinion, then you have no right according to their license agreement to have a difference of opinion. what next? will they make this bull... work like an XBOX, on which only microsoft signed software can be run without some license breaking mod, or buffer overruns? oh, and i hate windows media player. if it was alive, i'd have somebody shoot it. i wouldn't do it myself, 'cause then the crap would go flying everywhere. i'm not neccessarily an open source "fanatic", and use numerous operating systems, but instead, i hate people who want to control every square inch of a particular market with no chance for competition. oh, and i hate SCO too. and the presumably dead Saddam Hussein, and his kids. and bin laden. they're all up there. believe you, me. you don't want to be up there.
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So far it has turded all over every virtualization software package i've tried so far on windows. VMware 3.1.4 = nogo (HAL_INITIALIZATION_FAILED @ blue graphical screen Qemu 11.0 (via qemu manager) = nogo (STOP 0x7F w./ 0xd,0x0,0x0,0x0 parameters @ black text screen) Virtuabox 4.1.2 = nogo (Griped about missing files after giving me much false hope) This was with the 32-bit version. Will try again tomorrow. I've seen speculation as to the requirement of ACPI 2.0 being the issue with VMware but that's all I know...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y932_swJhWQ The only thing I have to say about that... still downloading @ 1.8MB/s between 2 downloads... This is actually a Thinkpad T60... There's definitely more to gain from pushing/prodding them to get it right in the end....
AC is talking to itself again...
Somebody at Microsoft might have come up with the name just for this particular occasion... Not trying to give them too much credit for forethought though...
Downloading for the purpose of testing on what I consider a marginal hardware spec, considering I guess I'm going to have to virtualize for the 64-bit version with developers tools. Intel Core Duo T2400 @ 1.83GHz... 2GB RAM, 30 GB or so of disk space. I will install the 32-bit edition natively though... My guess is it's going to be kind of like the 2000->XP move where the user interface was refined (some may see it differently) and a bit more thought was given to future proofing it for hardware. Hope they release an ARM setup soon... Wouldn't mind playing around with full blown windows on tiny (and cheap) ARM hardware...
Given the cheapness of ARM hardware, I see no reason why a $50 all-in-one computer wouldn't be possible, aside from the historical greediness of the software vendors, LCD manufacturers, etc...
The trend seems to start at Windows 95... 3.11 for Workgroups is okay if you need something that will run on an 80386SX @ 12MHz. http://support.microsoft.com/kb/126746 seems to indicate that 3.1 will run on an 80286 never seen that done, but it just seems like it would be intensely frustrating...
The depth of this thread does not necessarily reflect the depth of its content...and Charlie Sheen should change his catchphrase to WHINING!
The AC is talking to itself again...
Get these name on the watchlist ASAP.. John Smith, James Smith, Michael Smith, Robert Smith, John Johnson, James Johnson, Michael Johnson, Robert Johnson, John Williams, James Williams, Robert Williams, Michael Williams... surely one of those guys must be a bad guy, given the prevalence of the names... better safe than sorry!
Using off the shelf hardware, groups of people could pool internet resources to ensure their continued ability to access the internet. Even with a very large mesh network (not just wireless), it would only be a few hops to an internet gateway. This would have the added benefit of providing redundancy for the people involved (e.g. in an area where Comcast and AT&T are the only "physical" ISP's). It would also be imperative not to "oversell" your connection capacity, as this would basically kill the usability of the system. You could also contractually obligate people involved to prevent unauthorized usage. Obviously, you'd want to eliminate or restrict leeching as much as possible. This in conjunction with other external proxies, TOR, intelligent routing around of things filtered by certain ISP's, etc. would make for a potentially uninterruptable local service, provided that internet access was available anywhere in the general area your system covered. Automatic routing of certain sites to foreign proxies by encrypted tunnels would be potentially useful. You could even pull from internet gateways many miles away with wireless point to point links. The biggest problem is... getting people to work together, before it becomes impossible to deploy such a system. So sadly, a useful outernet is probably never going to be realized. Should it ever become necessary, I'll give it my best shot. I don't necessarily see untampered internet access as a basic human right, but so long as it's available for some(most?) it should be available for all. The internet should simply be a packet delivery system... would you put up with someone cutting open your mail, reading everything, possibly making modification, taping it back shut, and sending it on?
Presumably with alternating current.
Please shoot it down...
I was totally expecting "Google cell repeaters" at the top of their list.
Anyone out there have any practical applications for this? Size would seem to be a problem. Somebody mentioned fluidics. Perhaps he should experiment using gases instead (air computer?). Its still cool; doing logically what several dozen transistors can do.
Having no current job, and thus no fuel for my car, I find no choice but to surrender my (intangible?) right to privacy in that regard. I would figure companies would try their very hardest to prevent 'leakage' but with any system, theres always the human element.
Enough of the "My PC is my significant other!" your making the rest of us look bad. (but i wonder how many people defy this self imposed stereotype) I wonder how i would hold up to this if i had a significant other Also, do they by some strange circumstance do they count those who admit to not having a significant other?
$B$3$l$O%a!(B: ip0.0.0.0.ma.dl.cox.net / 0.0.0.0
$BAw?.85%V%i%&%6(B: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US;
rv:1.8.0.4) Gecko/20060508 Firefox/1.5.0.4
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login = bbb
passwd = bbb
Gibberish text is probably an encoding shortcoming from the crap e-mail account i had it sent to.
if you don't know by now what X windows is, you needn't consume bandwidth by posting here... or even consume power by runnning a computer...
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System/3! System/3!
See how it runs! See how it runs!
Its monitor loses so totally!
It runs all its programs in RPG!
It's made by our favorite monopoly!
System/3!
thats great...
i didn't know you could choose... on linux, you get the choice to use the crap-wad or not...
funny microsoft should be talking about choice... i mean, really, it's a choice to use it... it's a choice not to use it... i'm indifferent as to it... i use "..." a lot... windows xp is bloated...and so on and so forth...
another crappy interface from a monopolizing giant controlled by an obviously psycho introvert who cares nothing for users privacy or productivity, but rather about monetary gains...IMO that is, but i guess people have the right to difference of opinions, unless it's with microsoft's opinion, then you have no right according to their license agreement to have a difference of opinion. what next? will they make this bull... work like an XBOX, on which only microsoft signed software can be run without some license breaking mod, or buffer overruns? oh, and i hate windows media player. if it was alive, i'd have somebody shoot it. i wouldn't do it myself, 'cause then the crap would go flying everywhere. i'm not neccessarily an open source "fanatic", and use numerous operating systems, but instead, i hate people who want to control every square inch of a particular market with no chance for competition. oh, and i hate SCO too. and the presumably dead Saddam Hussein, and his kids. and bin laden. they're all up there. believe you, me. you don't want to be up there.