Where i work, we are dependent upon Oracle 8.1, with which IE 6 has some incompatibilities, so we stick to IE 5.5. It took months to get Oracle set up properly - are we supposed to do this with every new release, *and* upgrade 2,000+ PCs every time every time IR or any other application is upgraded??
if security is important to you than yes... thats pretty much expected. computers aren't static. if those computers have internet access i would hope you update their anti-virus regularly ect. thats the reason IT people get good money now isn't it:P
I can see it now:
"Need a better preSIdeNTT!>???!? Our pills make your president 25% better in as litte as 3 months*. CLICK EHRE! GET FREEEEE congress reports**!!!!!! ANDD make MONEYY at home offff CONGRESS-BAY!"
*never
** porn"
I for one welcome it though. At least it will be spam that won't refer to my special member, the rack i don't have, or a cable descrambler. That and I imagine any spam GW sends out will fill my heart with laughter.
i dont see why everone is going crazy over this exploit. i mean really... microsoft actually has already done something about this... its called get the NEW version of IE. Don't get me wrong, I am a big open source supporter, but seriously... oss would have made no difference here. Basically people just have to keep up to date with IE and patches to get around this. Same as if someone, however unlikely, found such a exploit in a mozilla product... or some other open source browser. the fact that it is open source and someone could find the bug faster means nothing if you dont keep your software up-to-date. And no, most casual Windows users don't. and no getting them to switch to a 'nix OS wouldn't change that.
its really more of an education problem than a software problem. most computer users (not the/. crowd have no idea what they are doing....
What apps? Please name a significant one. I don't run Java applications (except Eclipse, for Java code review 8-) and don't feel that I'm missing something.
oracle's god awful CRM. i had to use that pile of crap at work for 6 months. it became almost a game toward the end "oh, lets click on it and see if it loads....". Quite possibly the worst peice of software ever written, but it is a significant Java ap. Quite a few large companies use it....but no, your not missing a thing.
I wouldn't worry. It probably won't really work right for anyone other than super duper 1337 h4x0r linux users who have the time to mess with stuff for 3 hours.
i have a dual boot system with XP and slackware 9. I never boot into my nix install for gaming because well... its not really worth the effort.
kudos to the ut crew for continually putting out games for linux, but IVE never been able to get anything but Quake III and Enemy Territory to run on my box....
yes. after working in internet tech support for 6 months, and getting this answer WAY to often, I realized 90% of computer problems have nothing to do with the computer. 80% of them dont even have anything to do with a Microsoft product... they have to do with the users. sad, but true.
my other favorites include
"i am having a problem with my LSD" (they ment DSL... i hope. to which I always wanted to reply, call your dealer or OEM)
what version of windows is on your computer? "windows XP millenium edition" or "windows PLUS"
and my alltime favorite was an old lady from FL "it says intercource explorer has encoumbered an error..." wow, i know what she uses HER dsl for...
I dunno about all that. I think platforms gain success because of the apps, which are really more luck than anything. E.g. IMHO Windows XP, very sadly I might add... i do not relish in this fact, is a more useful operating system than any flavor of Linux.
Why? Because I am a gamer and a web developer. All my games work just fine in Windows. And no, don't even start with Wine. Why WINE when I can press NEXT 3 times and be fine? Oh and I havent found anything yet that compairs to the Dreaweaver/Photoshop. Quanta and the gimp are both good, but not good enough for me to bother booting into Linux. Espically when I rarely have stability problems with Windows. I mean honestly, if you are behiend a router (and or firewall) and don't use Outlook (i use Thunderbird, yay) you really aren't going to have stability issues with Windows. I mean SURE, windows has some queer bugs in it and no, its not as stable as 'nix...but its good enough. e.g. my record uptime with a linux box is well over a year. It was a 14 man public Day of Defeat server running Slackware 8. Ran flawlessly. My windows record uptime was with 2k and it was 28 days. But, for day to day use, who cares? I usually shut my computer down at night anyway. And I haven't had XP lock up on me yet.
Now before all you Linux fans start soiling yourselves with rage, I am _NOT_ saying Windows is a superior operating system. It isn't. However, it is easier to setup, has more apps that I need/want, and has the APPLICATIONS to back it up. That is why I have a dual-boot machine but never boot into Linux. Its not worth it. I can do anything I want in Windows. Belive me, I am WAITING... no WANTING to switch to Linux. I try to support open-source and in general I am not a Microsoft fan. But its really not worth it to me at this point. To me, Linux is a hobby, Windows is an operating system.
BTW, two more points before I get flame-raped. Yes I have tried several distros and I also used Unix (Solaris, not of my own doing, but I had to for school) for quite some time. Oh and yes I know OSX is more stable and can do most things I want (except a few games) but hey... Macs are disgustingly overpriced and Darwin is only as useful as Linux. Oh, but if Marklar ever comes out....
because i mean jez, they already change you 40% of your net worth just to use an ATM. who knows what they will change for you to buy stuff on an all electronic currency. hence why electronic currency wont take off any time soon...
i have also tried redhat and mandrake. but at any rate i AM willing to install packages and deal with shit to get my OS running... most users are not. thats my point. and the biggest problem with linux is that the developers and community are not able to deal with that....
Links has a long long long long long way to go before it is mainsteam. I mean don't get me wrong it is a great OS and it is stable. But I rarely boot into my Linux install (Slackware) as XP is stable (well, sorta anyway) enough for my purposes and requires a lot less maintence for me. I prefer to just use a lot of open source software on my windows install (firebird & thunderbird, open office, gaim, wingimp ect). Seams to work well for me.
Linux really needs an installer of sorts. An exe-like format for morons. And it needs to get a real system to distribute packages and make it a standard. Cuz downloading 1000s of libs blows:/ lol.
For me it was some Fuel song that I dont even remember that I got off a geocities site, just looking around to see what I could find. As for the player, its always been winamp. Of course it had no skins (hardly even and interface) at the time, but Ive stuck with it...
oh i just ment for pages that are set to open in a new window heh. so that wouldnt mess with frames. it'd be like CrazyBrowser but with Mozilla code instead of IE!:)
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Where i work, we are dependent upon Oracle 8.1, with which IE 6 has some incompatibilities, so we stick to IE 5.5. It took months to get Oracle set up properly - are we supposed to do this with every new release, *and* upgrade 2,000+ PCs every time every time IR or any other application is upgraded??
:P
if security is important to you than yes... thats pretty much expected. computers aren't static. if those computers have internet access i would hope you update their anti-virus regularly ect. thats the reason IT people get good money now isn't it
I can see it now: "Need a better preSIdeNTT!>???!? Our pills make your president 25% better in as litte as 3 months*. CLICK EHRE! GET FREEEEE congress reports**!!!!!! ANDD make MONEYY at home offff CONGRESS-BAY!" *never ** porn" I for one welcome it though. At least it will be spam that won't refer to my special member, the rack i don't have, or a cable descrambler. That and I imagine any spam GW sends out will fill my heart with laughter.
i dont see why everone is going crazy over this exploit. i mean really... microsoft actually has already done something about this... its called get the NEW version of IE. Don't get me wrong, I am a big open source supporter, but seriously... oss would have made no difference here. Basically people just have to keep up to date with IE and patches to get around this. Same as if someone, however unlikely, found such a exploit in a mozilla product... or some other open source browser. the fact that it is open source and someone could find the bug faster means nothing if you dont keep your software up-to-date. And no, most casual Windows users don't. and no getting them to switch to a 'nix OS wouldn't change that.
/. crowd have no idea what they are doing....
its really more of an education problem than a software problem. most computer users (not the
at least thats my 2 cents.
Why didn't we have this sooner? ....Like, 8 years ago?
Would you REALLY want to see bootable Microsoft code from 8 years ago? eh!? answer me that!!!
What apps? Please name a significant one. I don't run Java applications (except Eclipse, for Java code review 8-) and don't feel that I'm missing something.
...but no, your not missing a thing.
oracle's god awful CRM. i had to use that pile of crap at work for 6 months. it became almost a game toward the end "oh, lets click on it and see if it loads....". Quite possibly the worst peice of software ever written, but it is a significant Java ap. Quite a few large companies use it.
I wouldn't worry. It probably won't really work right for anyone other than super duper 1337 h4x0r linux users who have the time to mess with stuff for 3 hours.
i have a dual boot system with XP and slackware 9. I never boot into my nix install for gaming because well... its not really worth the effort.
kudos to the ut crew for continually putting out games for linux, but IVE never been able to get anything but Quake III and Enemy Territory to run on my box....
yes. after working in internet tech support for 6 months, and getting this answer WAY to often, I realized 90% of computer problems have nothing to do with the computer. 80% of them dont even have anything to do with a Microsoft product... they have to do with the users. sad, but true.
my other favorites include
"i am having a problem with my LSD" (they ment DSL... i hope. to which I always wanted to reply, call your dealer or OEM)
what version of windows is on your computer? "windows XP millenium edition" or "windows PLUS"
and my alltime favorite was an old lady from FL
"it says intercource explorer has encoumbered an error..."
wow, i know what she uses HER dsl for...
I dunno about all that. I think platforms gain success because of the apps, which are really more luck than anything. E.g. IMHO Windows XP, very sadly I might add... i do not relish in this fact, is a more useful operating system than any flavor of Linux.
...but its good enough. e.g. my record uptime with a linux box is well over a year. It was a 14 man public Day of Defeat server running Slackware 8. Ran flawlessly. My windows record uptime was with 2k and it was 28 days. But, for day to day use, who cares? I usually shut my computer down at night anyway. And I haven't had XP lock up on me yet.
Why? Because I am a gamer and a web developer. All my games work just fine in Windows. And no, don't even start with Wine. Why WINE when I can press NEXT 3 times and be fine? Oh and I havent found anything yet that compairs to the Dreaweaver/Photoshop. Quanta and the gimp are both good, but not good enough for me to bother booting into Linux. Espically when I rarely have stability problems with Windows. I mean honestly, if you are behiend a router (and or firewall) and don't use Outlook (i use Thunderbird, yay) you really aren't going to have stability issues with Windows. I mean SURE, windows has some queer bugs in it and no, its not as stable as 'nix
Now before all you Linux fans start soiling yourselves with rage, I am _NOT_ saying Windows is a superior operating system. It isn't. However, it is easier to setup, has more apps that I need/want, and has the APPLICATIONS to back it up. That is why I have a dual-boot machine but never boot into Linux. Its not worth it. I can do anything I want in Windows. Belive me, I am WAITING... no WANTING to switch to Linux. I try to support open-source and in general I am not a Microsoft fan. But its really not worth it to me at this point. To me, Linux is a hobby, Windows is an operating system.
BTW, two more points before I get flame-raped. Yes I have tried several distros and I also used Unix (Solaris, not of my own doing, but I had to for school) for quite some time. Oh and yes I know OSX is more stable and can do most things I want (except a few games) but hey... Macs are disgustingly overpriced and Darwin is only as useful as Linux. Oh, but if Marklar ever comes out....
because i mean jez, they already change you 40% of your net worth just to use an ATM. who knows what they will change for you to buy stuff on an all electronic currency. hence why electronic currency wont take off any time soon...
well i hope this doesnt catch on. if i have to pay Tennessee's ungodly 9% tax AND shipping that will be the end of me buying anything online...
i have also tried redhat and mandrake. but at any rate i AM willing to install packages and deal with shit to get my OS running... most users are not. thats my point. and the biggest problem with linux is that the developers and community are not able to deal with that....
Links has a long long long long long way to go before it is mainsteam. I mean don't get me wrong it is a great OS and it is stable. But I rarely boot into my Linux install (Slackware) as XP is stable (well, sorta anyway) enough for my purposes and requires a lot less maintence for me. I prefer to just use a lot of open source software on my windows install (firebird & thunderbird, open office, gaim, wingimp ect). Seams to work well for me.
:/ lol.
Linux really needs an installer of sorts. An exe-like format for morons. And it needs to get a real system to distribute packages and make it a standard. Cuz downloading 1000s of libs blows
For me it was some Fuel song that I dont even remember that I got off a geocities site, just looking around to see what I could find. As for the player, its always been winamp. Of course it had no skins (hardly even and interface) at the time, but Ive stuck with it...
actually fosters is not australian at all. it is brewed and bottled in non other than canada.
i want the flying cars, teleporters, floating toilets, and x-ray goggles promised to me in the 80s damnit!
oh i just ment for pages that are set to open in a new window heh. so that wouldnt mess with frames. it'd be like CrazyBrowser but with Mozilla code instead of IE! :)
yay for mozilla! :)
..but when will they make thunderbird able to auto-open links in a new tab instead of having to click something to do that.