Can you produce a quote from any of them saying that civil disobedience doesn't count if you don't get punished? Sorry but the idea is just stupid.
Heh, I would not go so far to say that I exercise civil disobedience, but rather my right as the member of a capitalist society; the ability to support good products and not utter crap.
Here we go again! Would you suggest that we only address the most heinous crimes and ignore all of our other laws? Most of the laws we have are there for a good reason, and they should all be enforced. If we don't enforce all of our laws, why even bother writing them if all we really care about are rapists, murderers, and corrupt board members?
I think what he was suggesting is that other crims, such as rape, murder, and corporate corruption, should be concentrated on much more than people pirating video games.
Also, piracy is different. Murder, most people will agree is bad. However with piracy it depends on if you agree with the law or not. I for one pirate tons of movies. Sorry, I do. I download movies first ALWAYS. If they are good I THEN go see them in the theatre. Same with CDs. I have a huge collection of DVDs and CDs. If I actually like what I download, I go out and buy it. If its crap, I delete it and move on. I see nothing wrong with that. I am not taking money away from creative artist. I am just making sure that those people who make crap don't get my money and the people who actually make GOOD movies/cds/games do.
... that and I have to find SOME justification for my ungodly expensive home theatre setup that I blew like 1/2 a years pay on:)
im pretty sure 99.99999995% of the people still with AOl are with AOL because they want their craptacular browser and email just like that.
just a thought though
America did a lot of good things, and helped alot.
I was *just* explaning that it was not US that
did everything. The original post kind of said that when the french pussies did nothing, US saved
europe from the nazis.
In many ways they did. I mean the British were almost ready to surrender and the Soviets were content to just take over where the Nazis left off. So its all in how you look at it. But yeah it wasnt just the US. Lots of countries helped. I think Canada even provided syrup for pankakes or something!
you've highlighted perfectly how linux dev's and advocats simply don't appreciate the problem
What problem?
Do sports-car enthusiasts think it's a problem that I never learned to drive a standard transmission? Are the going to redesign their cars for me? Of course not.
eh, actually its more like a sports car not being able to run out of the box unless you remove the catalic converters, pop in a new engine, and pray very very hard;)
i feel his pain. any time i upgrade my computer SOME peice of hardware will simply not work with whatever distro/version i was using before.
besides, just beacause HE doesn't want linux on the desktop doesnt mean i don't. i dont want Mac OSX on the desktop. I want my Linux/XP dual-boot machine. thats what linux is suppost to be about anyway, isn't it? different choices for different people??
couldn't agree with your more. my first car was a maxda rx7, didnt last a year. after that i got a 1984 Honda Accord (traded a 128mb stick of PC-100 for it! cheepest car EVER) that i kept for about a year and took to over 300,000 miles. then my parents got me a 1993 accord that i kept for the rest of high school and took to over 200,000. last year i finally upgraded and got a 2000 accord that came with 40,000 miles on it and ive already taken it to 90,000 with no service work needed. none of my cars ever needed to go in for work actually. pretty impressive if you ask me. can't beat hondas. i can get a nice engine, leather, sunroof, great mileage, and decent styling for 1/2 the price of a similar american car. and in 5 years, that expensive american car will be worth 1/2 the price of that honda. gotta love resale values.
now my dad on the other hand loves caddys. he goes out and buys a new one almost every year. and in the year that he owns that new american tank, it usually breaks down at least once. he actually still drives my 1993 accord when his are in the shop:)
IMHO americans stopped making good cars around 1975-1979 and have preceded to make crap ever sence. but thats just my opinion....
I shudder to think what it would do if I tried to play Doom 3 or Half-Life 2 on it in a few months' time.
Oh thats RICH! Half-Life will come right after Team Fortress Classic 2, the working Final Release of Steam (where Friends list works at least 80% of the time), the Steam SDK (we know thats just not here cuz they dont want us to see their awful code), and Valve's super-fast PowerPlay (remember that.com lie)! Valve is teh champion of vaporware. They had Half-Life, and thats it. The only thing they have done since is those awful expansion packs and buyup and ruin mods. Oh and try to run Gamespy Arcade and WON into the ground with their filthy Steam that is running for Worst Code Ever Written.
Heh, but ANYWAY, back on-topic (sorry, I have to vent on Valve everynow and then), I think you miss the point. A 5200 would be plenty powerful for an Apple Laptop. I image it performs quite nicely. Most mac laptop users are not going to be playing a lot of games on theirs anyway, and if they are, probably wont be Half-Life 2 or Doom 3. That and any vid card you get on a laptop will be slower than its desktop counterpart.
Pfft. Now I just want one more!
Luckily I always manage to remember "...I could buy the parts and build like 7 high end Linux boxes myself for this! WTF AM I DOING!?!?!" right before I hit Checkout;)
Maybe someday Apple will make affordable (to poor collage kids with a large portion of their annual income devoted to beer and video games) hardware for me. Until then I guess I will have to be happy with occasionally playing with Darwin x86...
Not in numbers, but where else can you get # more or less all of the big commercial software # lots of high quality shareware & freeware # most of the open source software with a recompile or via fink # a Unix that even your grandmother can use
not on Windows, not on Linux
I can run Microsoft office, while browsing the web using Lynx in a Terminal Window, use Adobe's great software and also run KDE, KOffice (betas recompiled using the native QT port now even run natively and don't require X11) and all the other goodies (btw even MPlayer is better on OS X http://mplayerosx.sf.net)
Actually you can do that with Windows. Most of it without a recompile with anything. Pretty much anything of use has a port for Windows. And if it doesnt, then their is always Cgywin and that wierd Irali thing that was on here the other day. Dunno about the second one, but Cgywin does pretty much anything with good speed on mine (thought I still prefer to just boot into Win for Win and Nix for Nix).
Oh and I beg to differ that MPlayer is better on OS X. I like it GUIless on Linux thnx. That is pretty much a personal opinion anyway.
Not saying Windows is great, better, good, decent or anything; but saying Mac has the best software selection around is... well... a joke.
hmm i think that spreading linux/oss to other countries, particularly poverty stricken ones, is very important. it allows them to get software that they might otherwise be unable to afford. HOWEVER, im pretty sure that the hiarchy of needs comes into play here. that is, i dont think that most of these people could care less if you gave them a new decked out 'nix box or not. why? because they have to worry about stuff like food, clothing, shelter, and safety. satisfy those and THEN maybe these people will start to care about sharing of information...
I'm not sure about Earthlink, but I worked for BellSouth and our install CD basically included spyware. It didnt have ads or anything like that and its main purpose (which it failed at, miserably) was simply to collect customer settings so that when they messed something up they could simply "revert" to their last known good settings. It collected no marketing or advertising info. At any rate, it was classified as spyware by Ad-Aware. So i suppose it all depends on your definition...
How about realizing that there are other users out there? How about realizing that teenagers ( a gigantic market, by any measure ) might WANT their phones to play games?
being one of them myself (until just a few months ago when I hit 20) i can confidently say that they will buy a Gameboy Advance SP:) and laugh at the people playing 3d games on their phones. I mean really.
Pong or tetris on your phone - cool. Unreal 2 on your phone - retarted. If young people want higher end games they will look to a PDA or gaming system 9 times out of 10; at least all the ones i know. It has to do with control and feel of the system more than anything.
I am perfectly happy with my indestructable, always has service, ungodly long battery life StarTAC that my parents got me for my 15th birthday. It does text messaging and calls people. Thats all I want in a phone. And better still, it damn near always gets service and its going 5 years strong. If I want to game on the go, Ill use a Gameboy.
I think their is a market for games on cellphones. And their is a smaller market for high end 3d games on cellphones. But its nothing like this gigantic market you think exists....except maybe in japan.... they love things like that.
I personally dont like KDE that much, but just adding to what you say, Gnome feels much more elegant to me than any Windows. Particularly the new 2.6 release...
When it comes to fighting, you Americans still owe the French.
Aparently you forgot WWI, WWII, and our little effort to reclaim the lost French empire after WWII for them. Oh and then their was Vietnam and probably some other stuff I dont even remember or care to know about.
We've repaid the french in full. And even if we hadn't, the French government that helped us in 1776 got overthrown shortly after so... we're still even.
As a developer under windows, I can definitely say that XP is pretty pathetic in terms of stability. If the machine doesn't crash on me at least once every two weeks, I've witnessed a miracle.
wow. what are you doing wrong? cuz its probably not the OS. Don't get me wrong, I prefer my trusty Linux install, but I have XP on my machine also because I play Day of Defeat a lot and Steam and Wine just dont work quite right for me and because I use Adobe Premier which also doesn't Wine just right for me. Anyways, I have never had any stability issues out of XP. It runs just fine for me. I don't know what your loading your desktop up with, but I'd say this is more in the real of user error than OS instability. And keep in mind that can happen on Linux too. I crashed my Linux box many times out of my own stupidity when I was still a n00b trying to figure it out...
kinda like the matrix reloaded... does that mean it will be ok and have some decent fight scenes but overall be worse than the original? or does it mean Bill Gates is reloading the virtual word we live in convinced that we have a good and stable OS but really we are all prisoners??...AGHHHH GOD SAVE US!
i dont live anywhere near chicago. i live in suburbia-hell-tennessee in one of those stupid golf-country-club neighborhoods filled with old people. so basically everyone here has comcast and none of them use it for anything other than email and checking stocks. its great:) i have lans all the time at my house and we get like 10-15 people sharing my connection and playing in a game of Day of Defeat or Counter-Strike and I still ping around 90. By myself I usually get high 20s-low 30s.
also my upload speed is awesome. im in the test area for increased upload. i pull speed test results (and i actually upload and download) around 3.5x1. I realize thats not everywhere, but its what i have:)
Basically their are groups of people who have crappy service from some ISP everywhere. That doesn't mean they are a bad company, it just happens. The only time my comcast was down I called in a 1am and a guy came out the next day at 1pm and gave me a new modem and reran the coaxial to my house. not bad. i know when i worked at bellsouth dsl our best dispatch time was 3 days.
Thats wierd, my comcast rocks. Its only been down once in 3 years and I actually get the 3.5 downloads speeds. Oh yes, its nice.
After working in broadband tech support for 6 awful months I discovered that the quality of your internet has nothing to do with the company you buy it from and everything to do with were you live. E.g. if you have crappy phone lines your DSL will suck. If you live around a bunch of AIM and pr0n kiddies then your cable will suck from around 3:30pm-9pm. Its just the way it goes.
Anyway, I do have a semi-answer to your problem... This is extreme, but you could cancel your phone service and order ISDN. ISDN is a digital phone network and thus a lifeline service. If you have the money to pay for it your local telecom is required by law to build the facilities. Im not sure if thats 100% true in your state, but it is here in TN. When they build th facilities for the ISDN 99.99999995% of the time (at least with the ISP I worked at) they go ahead and make DSL available in the same area. So basically, ask for ISDN, they have to give it to you, keep it a while, and then ask for DSL. I bet they will have it.
Just make sure of two things first, 1) none of those stupid old AT&T signal repeater things are on the line. If you live in a metro area thats not likely anyway. 2) Make sure your not right across the street from the CO. If you are you probably wouldn't want the DSL anyway because the signal would be too strong to sync up without you putting 90000 filters on the line going to the modem, doing a rain dance, and praying to some heathen gods of DSL.
where are these imaginary male gamers who live in 'ph3a|2' of females? i play dod and cs and ut ect and i dont mind playing with chicks at all. all the gamer guys i know share that opinon. A hot girl who plays dod is like my dream date! Anyone intersted?;)
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Can you produce a quote from any of them saying that civil disobedience doesn't count if you don't get punished? Sorry but the idea is just stupid. Heh, I would not go so far to say that I exercise civil disobedience, but rather my right as the member of a capitalist society; the ability to support good products and not utter crap.
Here we go again! Would you suggest that we only address the most heinous crimes and ignore all of our other laws? Most of the laws we have are there for a good reason, and they should all be enforced. If we don't enforce all of our laws, why even bother writing them if all we really care about are rapists, murderers, and corrupt board members?
:)
I think what he was suggesting is that other crims, such as rape, murder, and corporate corruption, should be concentrated on much more than people pirating video games. Also, piracy is different. Murder, most people will agree is bad. However with piracy it depends on if you agree with the law or not. I for one pirate tons of movies. Sorry, I do. I download movies first ALWAYS. If they are good I THEN go see them in the theatre. Same with CDs. I have a huge collection of DVDs and CDs. If I actually like what I download, I go out and buy it. If its crap, I delete it and move on. I see nothing wrong with that. I am not taking money away from creative artist. I am just making sure that those people who make crap don't get my money and the people who actually make GOOD movies/cds/games do.
... that and I have to find SOME justification for my ungodly expensive home theatre setup that I blew like 1/2 a years pay on
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im pretty sure 99.99999995% of the people still with AOl are with AOL because they want their craptacular browser and email just like that. just a thought though
America did a lot of good things, and helped alot. I was *just* explaning that it was not US that did everything. The original post kind of said that when the french pussies did nothing, US saved europe from the nazis.
In many ways they did. I mean the British were almost ready to surrender and the Soviets were content to just take over where the Nazis left off. So its all in how you look at it. But yeah it wasnt just the US. Lots of countries helped. I think Canada even provided syrup for pankakes or something!
This is nearly 10,000 times faster than a typical home broadband connection.
:)
Pfft you haven't seen MY home broadband connection!
Americans build Hondas, Mexicans build Chevys, Canadians build some Fords. Looks like AMERICANS are still building the best cars. :)
;) not quite the same thing
americans assemble hondas and put a sticker on them
you've highlighted perfectly how linux dev's and advocats simply don't appreciate the problem What problem? Do sports-car enthusiasts think it's a problem that I never learned to drive a standard transmission? Are the going to redesign their cars for me? Of course not. eh, actually its more like a sports car not being able to run out of the box unless you remove the catalic converters, pop in a new engine, and pray very very hard ;)
i feel his pain. any time i upgrade my computer SOME peice of hardware will simply not work with whatever distro/version i was using before.
besides, just beacause HE doesn't want linux on the desktop doesnt mean i don't. i dont want Mac OSX on the desktop. I want my Linux/XP dual-boot machine. thats what linux is suppost to be about anyway, isn't it? different choices for different people??
couldn't agree with your more. my first car was a maxda rx7, didnt last a year. after that i got a 1984 Honda Accord (traded a 128mb stick of PC-100 for it! cheepest car EVER) that i kept for about a year and took to over 300,000 miles. then my parents got me a 1993 accord that i kept for the rest of high school and took to over 200,000. last year i finally upgraded and got a 2000 accord that came with 40,000 miles on it and ive already taken it to 90,000 with no service work needed. none of my cars ever needed to go in for work actually. pretty impressive if you ask me. can't beat hondas. i can get a nice engine, leather, sunroof, great mileage, and decent styling for 1/2 the price of a similar american car. and in 5 years, that expensive american car will be worth 1/2 the price of that honda. gotta love resale values.
:)
now my dad on the other hand loves caddys. he goes out and buys a new one almost every year. and in the year that he owns that new american tank, it usually breaks down at least once. he actually still drives my 1993 accord when his are in the shop
IMHO americans stopped making good cars around 1975-1979 and have preceded to make crap ever sence. but thats just my opinion....
I shudder to think what it would do if I tried to play Doom 3 or Half-Life 2 on it in a few months' time.
.com lie)! Valve is teh champion of vaporware. They had Half-Life, and thats it. The only thing they have done since is those awful expansion packs and buyup and ruin mods. Oh and try to run Gamespy Arcade and WON into the ground with their filthy Steam that is running for Worst Code Ever Written.
Oh thats RICH! Half-Life will come right after Team Fortress Classic 2, the working Final Release of Steam (where Friends list works at least 80% of the time), the Steam SDK (we know thats just not here cuz they dont want us to see their awful code), and Valve's super-fast PowerPlay (remember that
Heh, but ANYWAY, back on-topic (sorry, I have to vent on Valve everynow and then), I think you miss the point. A 5200 would be plenty powerful for an Apple Laptop. I image it performs quite nicely. Most mac laptop users are not going to be playing a lot of games on theirs anyway, and if they are, probably wont be Half-Life 2 or Doom 3. That and any vid card you get on a laptop will be slower than its desktop counterpart.
Pfft. Now I just want one more! Luckily I always manage to remember "...I could buy the parts and build like 7 high end Linux boxes myself for this! WTF AM I DOING!?!?!" right before I hit Checkout ;)
Maybe someday Apple will make affordable (to poor collage kids with a large portion of their annual income devoted to beer and video games) hardware for me. Until then I guess I will have to be happy with occasionally playing with Darwin x86...
Not in numbers, but where else can you get
:P
# more or less all of the big commercial software
# lots of high quality shareware & freeware
# most of the open source software with a recompile or via fink
# a Unix that even your grandmother can use
not on Windows, not on Linux
I can run Microsoft office, while browsing the web using Lynx in a Terminal Window, use Adobe's great software and also run KDE, KOffice (betas recompiled using the native QT port now even run natively and don't require X11) and all the other goodies (btw even MPlayer is better on OS X http://mplayerosx.sf.net)
Actually you can do that with Windows. Most of it without a recompile with anything. Pretty much anything of use has a port for Windows. And if it doesnt, then their is always Cgywin and that wierd Irali thing that was on here the other day. Dunno about the second one, but Cgywin does pretty much anything with good speed on mine (thought I still prefer to just boot into Win for Win and Nix for Nix).
Oh and I beg to differ that MPlayer is better on OS X. I like it GUIless on Linux thnx. That is pretty much a personal opinion anyway.
Not saying Windows is great, better, good, decent or anything; but saying Mac has the best software selection around is... well... a joke.
P.S. 3 buttons > 1
hmm i think that spreading linux/oss to other countries, particularly poverty stricken ones, is very important. it allows them to get software that they might otherwise be unable to afford. HOWEVER, im pretty sure that the hiarchy of needs comes into play here. that is, i dont think that most of these people could care less if you gave them a new decked out 'nix box or not. why? because they have to worry about stuff like food, clothing, shelter, and safety. satisfy those and THEN maybe these people will start to care about sharing of information...
I'm not sure about Earthlink, but I worked for BellSouth and our install CD basically included spyware. It didnt have ads or anything like that and its main purpose (which it failed at, miserably) was simply to collect customer settings so that when they messed something up they could simply "revert" to their last known good settings. It collected no marketing or advertising info. At any rate, it was classified as spyware by Ad-Aware. So i suppose it all depends on your definition...
How about realizing that there are other users out there? How about realizing that teenagers ( a gigantic market, by any measure ) might WANT their phones to play games? :) and laugh at the people playing 3d games on their phones. I mean really.
...except maybe in japan. ... they love things like that.
being one of them myself (until just a few months ago when I hit 20) i can confidently say that they will buy a Gameboy Advance SP
Pong or tetris on your phone - cool. Unreal 2 on your phone - retarted. If young people want higher end games they will look to a PDA or gaming system 9 times out of 10; at least all the ones i know. It has to do with control and feel of the system more than anything.
I am perfectly happy with my indestructable, always has service, ungodly long battery life StarTAC that my parents got me for my 15th birthday. It does text messaging and calls people. Thats all I want in a phone. And better still, it damn near always gets service and its going 5 years strong. If I want to game on the go, Ill use a Gameboy.
I think their is a market for games on cellphones. And their is a smaller market for high end 3d games on cellphones. But its nothing like this gigantic market you think exists.
I personally dont like KDE that much, but just adding to what you say, Gnome feels much more elegant to me than any Windows. Particularly the new 2.6 release...
When it comes to fighting, you Americans still owe the French.
Aparently you forgot WWI, WWII, and our little effort to reclaim the lost French empire after WWII for them. Oh and then their was Vietnam and probably some other stuff I dont even remember or care to know about.
We've repaid the french in full. And even if we hadn't, the French government that helped us in 1776 got overthrown shortly after so... we're still even.
As a developer under windows, I can definitely say that XP is pretty pathetic in terms of stability. If the machine doesn't crash on me at least once every two weeks, I've witnessed a miracle.
wow. what are you doing wrong? cuz its probably not the OS. Don't get me wrong, I prefer my trusty Linux install, but I have XP on my machine also because I play Day of Defeat a lot and Steam and Wine just dont work quite right for me and because I use Adobe Premier which also doesn't Wine just right for me. Anyways, I have never had any stability issues out of XP. It runs just fine for me. I don't know what your loading your desktop up with, but I'd say this is more in the real of user error than OS instability. And keep in mind that can happen on Linux too. I crashed my Linux box many times out of my own stupidity when I was still a n00b trying to figure it out...
kinda like the matrix reloaded... does that mean it will be ok and have some decent fight scenes but overall be worse than the original? or does it mean Bill Gates is reloading the virtual word we live in convinced that we have a good and stable OS but really we are all prisoners?? ...AGHHHH GOD SAVE US!
i dont live anywhere near chicago. i live in suburbia-hell-tennessee in one of those stupid golf-country-club neighborhoods filled with old people. so basically everyone here has comcast and none of them use it for anything other than email and checking stocks. its great :) i have lans all the time at my house and we get like 10-15 people sharing my connection and playing in a game of Day of Defeat or Counter-Strike and I still ping around 90. By myself I usually get high 20s-low 30s.
also my upload speed is awesome. im in the test area for increased upload. i pull speed test results (and i actually upload and download) around 3.5x1. I realize thats not everywhere, but its what i have :)
Basically their are groups of people who have crappy service from some ISP everywhere. That doesn't mean they are a bad company, it just happens. The only time my comcast was down I called in a 1am and a guy came out the next day at 1pm and gave me a new modem and reran the coaxial to my house. not bad. i know when i worked at bellsouth dsl our best dispatch time was 3 days.
Thats wierd, my comcast rocks. Its only been down once in 3 years and I actually get the 3.5 downloads speeds. Oh yes, its nice.
After working in broadband tech support for 6 awful months I discovered that the quality of your internet has nothing to do with the company you buy it from and everything to do with were you live. E.g. if you have crappy phone lines your DSL will suck. If you live around a bunch of AIM and pr0n kiddies then your cable will suck from around 3:30pm-9pm. Its just the way it goes.
Anyway, I do have a semi-answer to your problem... This is extreme, but you could cancel your phone service and order ISDN. ISDN is a digital phone network and thus a lifeline service. If you have the money to pay for it your local telecom is required by law to build the facilities. Im not sure if thats 100% true in your state, but it is here in TN. When they build th facilities for the ISDN 99.99999995% of the time (at least with the ISP I worked at) they go ahead and make DSL available in the same area. So basically, ask for ISDN, they have to give it to you, keep it a while, and then ask for DSL. I bet they will have it.
Just make sure of two things first, 1) none of those stupid old AT&T signal repeater things are on the line. If you live in a metro area thats not likely anyway.
2) Make sure your not right across the street from the CO. If you are you probably wouldn't want the DSL anyway because the signal would be too strong to sync up without you putting 90000 filters on the line going to the modem, doing a rain dance, and praying to some heathen gods of DSL.
HEY! THATS MINE! GIVE IT BACK! ;)
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where are these imaginary male gamers who live in 'ph3a|2' of females? i play dod and cs and ut ect and i dont mind playing with chicks at all. all the gamer guys i know share that opinon. A hot girl who plays dod is like my dream date! Anyone intersted? ;)
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