Although geeks like us are enjoying a discussion and the origins of this particular term, I think it's starting to get watered down a bit. I hear a lot of the "unwashed masses" referring to Windows Worms and Viruses as "There's a new Bug going around" etc.
I realise this is something minor, but in a way it kinda bugs me (no puns!) about how much of "our" culture (if i'm qualified to say that) is going to get misappropriated by those `on the outside'.
This might be similar to the whole "cracker vs. hacker" meanings in the media and whatnot.
I hear more and more "less tech savvy" people using typical "computer related" keywords incorrectly, yet it is amazing how similarly it gets done by those `on the outside'.
It is almost as if computer jargon and terminology is starting to fork() into separate dialects.
Of course IBM comes out on top, as far as privacy goes. I've never worked there, but all the stories i hear about IBM gives me the impression that they are stuffy, overly structured, and overprofessional... Kinda like the IRS or the CIA.
Especially thier legal department. You just don't fuck with IBM....
In the late 1980s i got busted in the 7th grade using my C= Plus/4 to do my algebra and geometry homework with. I was removed from both classes and had to make them up the following year.
My principal's famous last words:
"You need to learn to do this without a computer. When you grow up and get a job, is your computer going to be there to do your work for you then?"
Just send me the address of the artists. They're the ones who deserve the cash. I prefer to avoid funding anymore RIAA-funded "superstars" like N'suck and Hitme Spears.
Mod this up, because it is truer that it sounds. The RIAA is using the muse of "lost artist revenues" as thier motive to extort money. Ok, I'll have to agree (as a musician myself) that pirating is bad, mmmkay?
However, any amounts of money the RIAA gains from this barratry will not be transferred to any musicians. They're in it for themselves.
Guess what the RIAA would tell you (as a musician) if you discovered someone used your music w/o permission or paying you royalties?
"Since your claim/song/complaint is only worth $X, we will not be able to assist you in this matter."
Fuck them. They're just a business, and they do anything useful except ruin the industry.
Is it just me, or is the tide really starting to turn in the last couple of months? I realise/. focuses on these things, but there seems to have been a lot of articles lately about major organizations, militaries, governments, school systems and the like straight-up turning thier back on Microsoft in favour of GNU/Linux or OSS.. (and even starting from scratch a la Japan/China/Taiwan).
Is Microsoft really starting to lose thier grip? Will we look back 5 years from now and chuckle about how MS had such domination, but by then they will be less relevant? With Microsoft "out of the way", will this allow other OS startups (not linux or bsd types) to flourish? I.e. will BeOS get re-invented as a commercial product? Plan9? Something brand new?
"no more plans to sue anybody" and "maybe they're understanding the truth behind thier falsity and this is the beginning of the end of this mess"
Nope nope nope. Even if they stop everything tomorrow i don't feel they are "off the hook".
You don't go bullying people around, breaking the law with barratry, assaulting people with zealous lawsuits, making threats and all the fanfare in the press...... and then one day just saying "ok, nevermind" and expect everything to return to normal.
If SCO execs do this, i still say they should stand trial for everything they have done up until that point.
He's sitting in front of a computer, hitting keys on the keyboard and looking at the monitor. That describes the person who wrote this story, the person who submitted this story, the person who posted the story, me getting first post, and everybody reading and moderating this and every other post to come.
You see..
there's a difference between merely looking up at the screen and typing...
and looking up at the screen, typing and cackling meniacally
Sheesh... i figured corebreech would know the difference!
My parents just got a computer this year, and while i should be excited about it, i'm actually apprehensive about what thier first inet experience will be like. In the 6 years of my experience on the inet, i've learned to protect myself and safeguard against these things, but they've only gradually increased in the last few years it seems.
My mom and dad, who have been leery of the internet all along are going to connect for the first time, without any experience (with me living 2400 miles away!) and they are going to get hit full-bore with this shit straight away.
I tried to convince them to get an eMac instead of a Dell, but i didn't win. It would have helped out on a few fronts.
My sister expects to order her first computer in a few months, also.
In the case of my family, and people i care about, it's sad. I want them to have the same joyful experiences i have had on the inet, but somehow i don't think it will be as rosy. The internet used to be a great place, even only 6 years ago. Some say it was the schnizzle in the 1980's, but i only saw it once in 1987 (on an Atari800XL).
Since this is slashdot, i didn't RTFA (yet, but i will)... but i'm willing to bet that it mentions that hordes of people will be turned away from the inet (both for the reasons listed in the summary, and because some people seem to think "The Internet? Ewww. that's SOOOO 1990's")... not seasoned users, but lots of newbies. They'll get nailed with about 20 viruses in the first year and probably call it quits.
In a way, maybe this is good. There *is* way too much cruft on the inet, and lots of people whom (IMHO) don't belong there (read: soccer moms that sit on cablemodem all day forwarding flash jokes and "send this to 1272 of your friends in the first hour...").
Maybe after a while, if enough people abandon the internet (which actually seems to be the case), some of the cruftmongers will fall by the wayside too.
Given that academic computing has traditionally been both the source of and the stronghold for innovative software, this is a disturbing long-term trend."
Indeed.
However, i almost hope that opensource and true computing innovation is so entrenched in colleges (i.e. MIT for instance) that it would be impossible for MS to get any kind of a footing.
Would increasing he size of the chip die help with heat dissipation? The die itself is about what, 1/2" square (approximately, and using an AMD Athlon as a reference)..
If we were to increase the die itself to the size of the `skirt' around it (that which holds all the pins)... perhaps a vented or flow-through design on the die also. I don't forsee that this would cause any major repercussions as far as motherboard size increase.
My other thought...
Aren't processors fast enough as it is? Maybe we'd do ourselves some real good by focusing on the other bottlenecks in the system and getting them up to snuff.
Besides.... we all know (whether we'll admit or not) that even the most modest computers in use spend most of thier time simply waiting around for the user to make them do something.
Or maybe focusing on efficiency- for reduced power consumption (and ultimately heat generation).
Or maybe, scrapping the whole thing and starting over (as has been talked about frequently in the x86 world). At least it's been said by people who understand hardware better than myself that the current state of x86 is a total mess.
Actually, i find that the Sears 1/2hp ShopVac makes for some fun anti-rodent stakeouts. Set the cheese in the end of the intake hose, sit quietly and wait across the room holding the switch on the powerstrip.
Vaccuum cleaners make good fly swatters too.
Yes my parents had a party the day i was old enough to move out.
At least we know that our home entertainment center is once again immune to some stupid farking windows worms....
Next, maybe we can look at other trivial things, such as the SCADA systems that run utilities, and the komputarmaschines that are used by the Dept. Of Defense, IRS, CIA, etc...
Slashdot Mirror
All the windows machines are too busy rebooting every 60 seconds due to RPC failures.
You can't hax0r something if it doesn't stay up!
Although geeks like us are enjoying a discussion and the origins of this particular term, I think it's starting to get watered down a bit. I hear a lot of the "unwashed masses" referring to Windows Worms and Viruses as "There's a new Bug going around" etc.
I realise this is something minor, but in a way it kinda bugs me (no puns!) about how much of "our" culture (if i'm qualified to say that) is going to get misappropriated by those `on the outside'.
This might be similar to the whole "cracker vs. hacker" meanings in the media and whatnot.
I hear more and more "less tech savvy" people using typical "computer related" keywords incorrectly, yet it is amazing how similarly it gets done by those `on the outside'.
It is almost as if computer jargon and terminology is starting to fork() into separate dialects.
Ok, mod me -1 Offtopic.
Berkeley Breathed Comics! Opus!
Imagine a beowulf cluster of these in soviet russia, you insensitive clod!
How can he be an innovative, impressively accomplished UNIX(r) guy?
HE HAS NO BEARD!!!
RIAA is suing for up to $150,000 per song?
Little excessive maybe?
1. Cost of CD == $13.99
2. Cost of Kazaa Membership
3. ????
4. Cost of parts removed from sum: $150K (Profit!!)
Technically this is more extreme than the nonsense SCO is pulling (from a dollar standpoint), but of course SCO is more entertaining.
Of course IBM comes out on top, as far as privacy goes. I've never worked there, but all the stories i hear about IBM gives me the impression that they are stuffy, overly structured, and overprofessional... Kinda like the IRS or the CIA.
Especially thier legal department. You just don't fuck with IBM....
In the late 1980s i got busted in the 7th grade using my C= Plus/4 to do my algebra and geometry homework with. I was removed from both classes and had to make them up the following year.
My principal's famous last words:
"You need to learn to do this without a computer. When you grow up and get a job, is your computer going to be there to do your work for you then?"
heh
I guess this means goodbye to BIOS flashing?
Just send me the address of the artists. They're the ones who deserve the cash. I prefer to avoid funding anymore RIAA-funded "superstars" like N'suck and Hitme Spears.
Mod this up, because it is truer that it sounds. The RIAA is using the muse of "lost artist revenues" as thier motive to extort money. Ok, I'll have to agree (as a musician myself) that pirating is bad, mmmkay?
However, any amounts of money the RIAA gains from this barratry will not be transferred to any musicians. They're in it for themselves.
Guess what the RIAA would tell you (as a musician) if you discovered someone used your music w/o permission or paying you royalties?
"Since your claim/song/complaint is only worth $X, we will not be able to assist you in this matter."
Fuck them. They're just a business, and they do anything useful except ruin the industry.
Pay us $low_number now, or we'll have to charge you $high_number later!!
I thought we already did the SCO article today?
It will really be interesting.. Can you imagine:
1) All stock is sold
2) SCO issues public apology: "Well.. Nevermind everyone. Sorry for the commotion. Have a nice day!"
They think they can just end it, but the OSS community will never forget.
Is it just me, or is the tide really starting to turn in the last couple of months? I realise /. focuses on these things, but there seems to have been a lot of articles lately about major organizations, militaries, governments, school systems and the like straight-up turning thier back on Microsoft in favour of GNU/Linux or OSS.. (and even starting from scratch a la Japan/China/Taiwan).
Is Microsoft really starting to lose thier grip? Will we look back 5 years from now and chuckle about how MS had such domination, but by then they will be less relevant? With Microsoft "out of the way", will this allow other OS startups (not linux or bsd types) to flourish? I.e. will BeOS get re-invented as a commercial product? Plan9? Something brand new?
Although i find the technology fascinating, and when put to good uses it can be very useful....
I know there's plenty of people out there ready to exploit it or exploit the public with it.
So in a way, i'm kinda glad it doesn't work as hoped...
"no more plans to sue anybody"
and
"maybe they're understanding the truth behind thier falsity and this is the beginning of the end of this mess"
Nope nope nope. Even if they stop everything tomorrow i don't feel they are "off the hook".
You don't go bullying people around, breaking the law with barratry, assaulting people with zealous lawsuits, making threats and all the fanfare in the press...... and then one day just saying "ok, nevermind" and expect everything to return to normal.
If SCO execs do this, i still say they should stand trial for everything they have done up until that point.
He's sitting in front of a computer, hitting keys on the keyboard and looking at the monitor. That describes the person who wrote this story, the person who submitted this story, the person who posted the story, me getting first post, and everybody reading and moderating this and every other post to come.
You see..
there's a difference between merely looking up at the screen and typing...
and looking up at the screen, typing and cackling meniacally
Sheesh... i figured corebreech would know the difference!
Those poor innocents in SCO's netblock.
NM the businesses that receive unsubstantiated threats of litigation and extortion by SCO, for something they claim IBM did.
Fortunately, this isn't a huge PR disaster for Linux like it could be (or at least not yet).
A few years ago, BS like this would have probably KILLED companies like Progeny, RedHat, SuSe, VALinux, etc....
Who'd be the innocent bystanders then?
I thought ESR asked the DoSer(s) to kindly stop DoSing, and they did.
Who's DoSing now?
www.sco.com seems to work for me.
Are we sure that Darl's not making shit up to put on the "we is poor, oppressed SCO being singled out and picked on..." face?
Man.. well said.
My parents just got a computer this year, and while i should be excited about it, i'm actually apprehensive about what thier first inet experience will be like. In the 6 years of my experience on the inet, i've learned to protect myself and safeguard against these things, but they've only gradually increased in the last few years it seems.
My mom and dad, who have been leery of the internet all along are going to connect for the first time, without any experience (with me living 2400 miles away!) and they are going to get hit full-bore with this shit straight away.
I tried to convince them to get an eMac instead of a Dell, but i didn't win. It would have helped out on a few fronts.
My sister expects to order her first computer in a few months, also.
In the case of my family, and people i care about, it's sad. I want them to have the same joyful experiences i have had on the inet, but somehow i don't think it will be as rosy. The internet used to be a great place, even only 6 years ago. Some say it was the schnizzle in the 1980's, but i only saw it once in 1987 (on an Atari800XL).
Since this is slashdot, i didn't RTFA (yet, but i will)... but i'm willing to bet that it mentions that hordes of people will be turned away from the inet (both for the reasons listed in the summary, and because some people seem to think "The Internet? Ewww. that's SOOOO 1990's")... not seasoned users, but lots of newbies. They'll get nailed with about 20 viruses in the first year and probably call it quits.
In a way, maybe this is good. There *is* way too much cruft on the inet, and lots of people whom (IMHO) don't belong there (read: soccer moms that sit on cablemodem all day forwarding flash jokes and "send this to 1272 of your friends in the first hour...").
Maybe after a while, if enough people abandon the internet (which actually seems to be the case), some of the cruftmongers will fall by the wayside too.
Cheers.
Imminent Death of The Net Predicted!!!
Imagine it all in caps, as the lameness filter won't allow it in its true, sexy ascii glory...
Given that academic computing has traditionally been both the source of and the stronghold for innovative software, this is a disturbing long-term trend."
Indeed.
However, i almost hope that opensource and true computing innovation is so entrenched in colleges (i.e. MIT for instance) that it would be impossible for MS to get any kind of a footing.
I can only hope.
... but i can spot Autotune at the very first instance of pitch correction.
It sucks, it's cheating, and it ruins the music.
What's worse, i hear some artists (that actually can sing and don't need autotune) using it as an um.... effect.
Ugh.
Something I've wondered....
Would increasing he size of the chip die help with heat dissipation? The die itself is about what, 1/2" square (approximately, and using an AMD Athlon as a reference)..
If we were to increase the die itself to the size of the `skirt' around it (that which holds all the pins)... perhaps a vented or flow-through design on the die also. I don't forsee that this would cause any major repercussions as far as motherboard size increase.
My other thought...
Aren't processors fast enough as it is? Maybe we'd do ourselves some real good by focusing on the other bottlenecks in the system and getting them up to snuff.
Besides.... we all know (whether we'll admit or not) that even the most modest computers in use spend most of thier time simply waiting around for the user to make them do something.
Or maybe focusing on efficiency- for reduced power consumption (and ultimately heat generation).
Or maybe, scrapping the whole thing and starting over (as has been talked about frequently in the x86 world). At least it's been said by people who understand hardware better than myself that the current state of x86 is a total mess.
I dunno. Maybe i'm not geek-worthy, or something.
Actually, i find that the Sears 1/2hp ShopVac makes for some fun anti-rodent stakeouts. Set the cheese in the end of the intake hose, sit quietly and wait across the room holding the switch on the powerstrip.
Vaccuum cleaners make good fly swatters too.
Yes my parents had a party the day i was old enough to move out.
At least we know that our home entertainment center is once again immune to some stupid farking windows worms....
Next, maybe we can look at other trivial things, such as the SCADA systems that run utilities, and the komputarmaschines that are used by the Dept. Of Defense, IRS, CIA, etc...
I guess i should've looked twice at the name..
Steve Oualline
Damn typos!! I blame the reviewer!