All we need is a few great games... Well, how about: No Gravity http://www.realtech-vr.com/nogravity/ Vegastrike (and mods) http://vegastrike.sf.net/ Bzflag http://bzflag.org/ glest http://www.glest.org cube http://wouter.fov120.com/cube/ globulation http://www.ysagoon.com/glob2/ foobillard http://foobillard.sunsite.dk/ trigger http://www.positro.net/trigger/ netpanzer http://netpanzer.berlios.de/
I just don't know what you are talking about. There are plenty of good games out there. Can anyone else remember some good ones?
Dude, I think you are confusing Debian with the BSD's. All kidding aside, there is something to be said for Debian-stable. Like how it never changes, always has the same things reliable working with the now uber-stable (stale?!) 2.2 kernel, the same scripts, no extra fancy features that these newfangled young fertile/sexy young distros all seem to be showing off. No, I like it the way it is, forty rods to the hogshead dammit!
Your kidding right? Are you seriously saying that the military might of the USA is NOT in the hands of a select few? If Bush wants to go to war then all the public has to do to stop him is, oh wait...
Please, please, please, please! STOP. This flood of irritating april fools is already making me gag. That's it! I'm ofFicially going to bed and when I wake up it bloody better not be april's fools day anymore!
No, It would simply make the competition fiercer since the difference between products would essecially become the basics, ie. price, features, support etc.
I think that is a "good thing".
99.999% huh?
Well gee-whiz.
Someone better tell those MYSQL people that they cannot pratically be commercial and release their software as free software at the same time as they sell boatloads of support contracts. Not to mention all the software that has recently been freed by IBM which they support commercially. Not to mention apache. That isn't pratically usable commercially. All those email servers out there must be used non-commercially then eh?
I guess Google isn't a commercial entity since they use all that Free software? They must also be wasting good money on that Free software developer they hired.
You might be mistaking commercial software with selling software, which indirectly implies that only propriatery software can be sold.
This is of course nonsense. The business model might be sligtly different since the software itself isn't always sold like individual slices of pizza, but a lot of those companies out there are making software which they use to either support their infrastucture and/or sell support for it to their customers. Just because it isn't being shipped in boxes to a store doesn't mean that the software used isn't commercial.
And by the way, you contradicted yourself when you said:
Claiming that GPL-style "Free" software can't be commercial is about as accurate as saying that human beings can't have 11 fingers.
NOTE: This quote will be referenced from hereon as "the finger quote".
and at the end you said:
The standard business model for 99.999% of today's commercial software CANNOT work with the GPL.
NOTE: This quote will be referenced from hereon as "the made up nonsense quote".
Those two lines are obviously contradictory as the former is in accordance with my conclusion (that commercial Free software is widespread and in increasingly heavy use in the industry) while the latter is the exact opposite. I therefore take it that you are in complete agreement with my conclusion since the evidence is so
overwhelminglyobvious.
There is also a misconception that software can only be a product from one company but Free software is often developed by many individuals and companies who all see the benefit in spending their resources on it.
Claiming that Free software can't be commercial is about as accurate as saying that most human beings don't have 10 fingers.
Mainstream and real competetion equals to commercial stuff
You seem to be harboring under the mistaken assumption that competitive and commercial software cannot be Free software.
As has been pointed out quite often this is not the case (Novell Suse, Redhat, IBM etc.).
From the Free software definition.
``Free software'' does not mean ``non-commercial''. A free program must be available for commercial use, commercial development, and commercial distribution. Commercial development of free software is no longer unusual; such free commercial software is very important.
patented/non-free stuff eh? If I remember correctly that was how dvd reading was when it first arrived. Similar examples are software-modems (aka winmodems) and other misc. hardware that relied on propriatery software to make it work. What happened?
Those features where reverse-engineered, re-implemented and released as Free software. Then came the dreaded DMCA. Thankfully that doesn't apply to the rest of the world (at least not yet).
There is NO reason why we shouln't have Free software that can write DVD's. Just because the entertainment industry (or their supposed representetives) are trying very hard to make it impossible to have the freedom to write to any media we choose by setting stupid laws and corporations making up restricting patents doesn't mean that we should just accept that only propriatery software could lawfully (I mean in accordance with whatever stupid laws they make and enforce) implement those features.
This and always will be about our Freedom, and pretty please with sugar on top, don't you forget it!
Is there any reason why people who don't live in the USA can't work on this? What about keeping the wine cvs somewhere else in the world since the dmca is only valid in the states? There is also the worry that wine could be yanked of the net just because some feds say so just like bnetd, freecraft and other good projects.
Of course the best solution would be for all usa resident developers to move to some other country that doesn't have these strange voodoo laws;-) But I guess a world without butched laws is just a fantasy.
Thank you very much for making dx9 work with wine. It is much apreciated. That said, I wonder if it will ever be possible to get wine to work with a lot of windows games due to their copy protection methods. Do you think it will ever be possible or legal for wine to support those installers?
excuses, excuses!
If they really wanted to make a free driver I'm quite certain they could pull it off by eighter relicensing, reimplementing or renegotiating.
Bottom line, they are scared that the big bad ATI will steal their precioussssssshh special techniques (never seen before!).
Thankfully there is a new graphics card in the works which will make it possible to use completly free drivers and also play relatively modern games.
Please don't automatically respond by saying stuff like "but I can play my games fine on my radeon 9500, and those drivers are free".
Yea, well ati didn't write those drivers did they.
Neighter ATI or Nvidia have been very forthcoming with info on any new cards, so having a company make graphic card that is completly supported, along with having the development of it out in the open (as in scrutiny) is a huge step in the right direction.
If enough of those are sold, chances are they will make more (and put more money into developing them).
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I guess us gentoo users will just have to recompile our systems yet again. Oh well.
Does anyone have a loaded gun handy?
Or the headlight of a speeding train!
Maybe so, but firefox is mpl only.
All we need is a few great games...
Well, how about:
No Gravity http://www.realtech-vr.com/nogravity/
Vegastrike (and mods) http://vegastrike.sf.net/
Bzflag http://bzflag.org/
glest http://www.glest.org
cube http://wouter.fov120.com/cube/
globulation http://www.ysagoon.com/glob2/
foobillard http://foobillard.sunsite.dk/
trigger http://www.positro.net/trigger/
netpanzer http://netpanzer.berlios.de/
I just don't know what you are talking about.
There are plenty of good games out there.
Can anyone else remember some good ones?
Sorry to burst your bubble, but Firefox is not covered by the GPL. It's under the MPL (Mozilla Public License).
I guess it wasn't those 12 monkeys after all!
Dude, I think you are confusing Debian with the BSD's.
All kidding aside, there is something to be said for Debian-stable. Like how it never changes, always has the same things reliable working with the now uber-stable (stale?!) 2.2 kernel, the same scripts, no extra fancy features that these newfangled young fertile/sexy young distros all seem to be showing off. No, I like it the way it is, forty rods to the hogshead dammit!
Your kidding right? Are you seriously saying that the military might of the USA is NOT in the hands of a select few? If Bush wants to go to war then all the public has to do to stop him is, oh wait...
CherryOS vs. PearPC in regards to an Apple emulator?
I don't know about you but this whole thing looks like big fruit salad to me.
Please, please, please, please! STOP.
This flood of irritating april fools is already making me gag.
That's it! I'm ofFicially going to bed and when I wake up it
bloody better not be april's fools day anymore!
GOODNIGHT!
{*SLAM*}
No, It would simply make the competition fiercer since the difference between products would essecially become the basics, ie. price, features, support etc.
I think that is a "good thing".
Try to tell that to NVIDIA or ATI.
Don't you mean "Digital Restriction Management" ?
Well gee-whiz.
Someone better tell those MYSQL people that they cannot pratically be commercial and release their software as free software at the same time as they sell boatloads of support contracts. Not to mention all the software that has recently been freed by IBM which they support commercially. Not to mention apache. That isn't pratically usable commercially. All those email servers out there must be used non-commercially then eh?
I guess Google isn't a commercial entity since they use all that Free software? They must also be wasting good money on that Free software developer they hired.
You might be mistaking commercial software with selling software, which indirectly implies that only propriatery software can be sold.
NOTE: This quote will be referenced from hereon as "the finger quote".This is of course nonsense. The business model might be sligtly different since the software itself isn't always sold like individual slices of pizza, but a lot of those companies out there are making software which they use to either support their infrastucture and/or sell support for it to their customers. Just because it isn't being shipped in boxes to a store doesn't mean that the software used isn't commercial. And by the way, you contradicted yourself when you said:
and at the end you said:
NOTE: This quote will be referenced from hereon as "the made up nonsense quote".Those two lines are obviously contradictory as the former is in accordance with my conclusion (that commercial Free software is widespread and in increasingly heavy use in the industry) while the latter is the exact opposite. I therefore take it that you are in complete agreement with my conclusion since the evidence is so overwhelmingly obvious.
There is also a misconception that software can only be a product from one company but Free software is often developed by many individuals and companies who all see the benefit in spending their resources on it.
Claiming that Free software can't be commercial is about as accurate as saying that most human beings don't have 10 fingers.
You seem to be harboring under the mistaken assumption that competitive and commercial software cannot be Free software.
As has been pointed out quite often this is not the case (Novell Suse, Redhat, IBM etc.).
From the Free software definition.
patented/non-free stuff eh?
If I remember correctly that was how dvd reading was when it first arrived. Similar examples are software-modems (aka winmodems) and other misc. hardware that relied on propriatery software to make it work. What happened?
Those features where reverse-engineered, re-implemented and released as Free software.
Then came the dreaded DMCA. Thankfully that doesn't apply to the rest of the world (at least not yet).
There is NO reason why we shouln't have Free software that can write DVD's. Just because the entertainment industry (or their supposed representetives) are trying very hard to make it impossible to have the freedom to write to any media we choose by setting stupid laws and corporations making up restricting patents doesn't mean that we should just accept that only propriatery software could lawfully (I mean in accordance with whatever stupid laws they make and enforce) implement those features.
This and always will be about our Freedom, and pretty please with sugar on top, don't you forget it!
Perhaps you aren't in the cdrw group. Some distros limit the writing speed if you arent in it. :-/
I was often irritated by that as well
Is there any reason why people who don't live in the USA can't work on this?
;-)
What about keeping the wine cvs somewhere else in the world since the dmca is only valid in the states?
There is also the worry that wine could be yanked of the net just because some feds say so just like bnetd, freecraft and other good projects.
Of course the best solution would be for all usa resident developers to move to some other country that doesn't have these strange voodoo laws
But I guess a world without butched laws is just a fantasy.
Happy hacking!
Thank you very much for making dx9 work with wine.
It is much apreciated.
That said, I wonder if it will ever be possible to get wine to work with a lot of windows games due to their copy protection methods.
Do you think it will ever be possible or legal for wine to support those installers?
I'm very much afraid that this is not the most stupid thing I have ever heard of.
more paternalistic eh...
Don't you mean more big brotherish ?!
excuses, excuses!
If they really wanted to make a free driver I'm quite certain they could pull it off by eighter relicensing, reimplementing or renegotiating.
Bottom line, they are scared that the big bad ATI will steal their precioussssssshh special techniques (never seen before!).
Thankfully there is a new graphics card in the works which will make it possible to use completly free drivers and also play relatively modern games. Please don't automatically respond by saying stuff like "but I can play my games fine on my radeon 9500, and those drivers are free". Yea, well ati didn't write those drivers did they.
Neighter ATI or Nvidia have been very forthcoming with info on any new cards, so having a company make graphic card that is completly supported, along with having the development of it out in the open (as in scrutiny) is a huge step in the right direction.
If enough of those are sold, chances are they will make more (and put more money into developing them).
What about CoLinux (I'm to lazy to dig up the url. It's on distrowatch)?
This IsNot funny !
Humm, OR just buy printers which have free drivers avaliable for them!