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S. Korea Considers Using Armed Robots Along DMZ
Slicker writes "S. Korea and N. Korea (aka the ROK and DPRK, respectively) share the most heavily fortified border that has ever existed. Now the ROK is considering deployment of armed robots." Not expected until sometime in the 2010s. From the article: "Robots with weapons mounted on their frames are each expected to be able to observe from 2 and 1 kilometers during the day and night, respectively, and will have the capability to record voices and take pictures in a 180-degree circle."
From the article:
Remote-control sounds fine, but automatically? Do we have software capable of reliably distingushing between a civilian and an enemy combatant (at least as well as a human soldier can, anyway...)?
Doesn't sound like the best of ideas. Also from the article:
Seems to me that the South Koreans might be better off upgrading their fences and perimeters (proven technology) than putting their faith in autonomous killer robots (unproven, scary, incredibly risky sci-fi technology).
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In Soviet South Korea armed robots only use old people who are dying like BSD
In Korea, Soviet robots use old people!
Oh wait...
I for one, welcome our Korean Robot Overlords.
"The battles of the future will not be fought on a battleground or at sea, they will be fought in space. Or at the top of a very tall mountain. In either case, most of the actual fighting will be done by small robots. And as you go forward today, your duty is clear, to build and maintain those robots. Thank you."
You can't handle the truth.
"will have the capability to record voices and take pictures in a 180-degree circle."
Screw the armed robots, I just wanna see how they pulled this off!
Link ;)?
Maybe they'll have robots in place by then, but it's more likely that Kim Jong Il will be dead or missing and the south won't have to worry about the north... Then again, who knows...
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Scenes from Robocop come to mind when the mech unit has a "glitch" and wastes a guy during the demo.
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Was anyone else really hoping that they'd look something like ED-209?
quote......Robots with weapons mounted on their frames...
Robot:YOU have 20 seconds to comply
man: "What the!?!? But wait... I'm friendly..."
Robot:YOU have 15 seconds to comply
man: $&$&#%!!!!! Okay okay I have my hands up
Robot:YOU have 10 seconds to comply
man: TURN IT OFF!!!
Robot:5,4,3...
Does anyone REALLY think we are going to let N. Korea to continue to exist in it's current regime. By 2010, it will be loaded with nuclear weapons and we might even have a few American cities brought to ground zero from these weapons sold on the black market.
Please. N Korea is not going to last no more then another year or so. This whole article is a moot point
Life is not for the lazy.
The DMZ is a wildlife paradise --- hopefully the wildlife is not extinguished by armedbots because the wildlife merely moves throughout the DMZ. I would like to see the armedbots recognize the difference between human and animal before going robocop.
"There ought to be limits to freedom"
Looking for Sarah Connor are we? ::dumdum dum-dumdum, dum dum dum-dum-dum, dum...::
... but I wonder if sharks with laser beams attached to their heads wouldn't be an ideal device along armed robots to guard the coasts while robots care of the land.
A better bet is that by 2010, the principal problem on the Korean peninsula will not be the brittle truce between the two regimes, but the economic crisis caused by South Korea inheriting the crumbling husk to their north. That's a lot of mouths to feed.
Those robots, assuming the project isn't abandoned, will more likely be guarding the border with China instead.
"OH SHIT, THERE'S A HORSE IN THE HOSPITAL!"
Cartman: "meee meeeee meeeee mee mee meee"
Stan: "Did you get it?"
Cartman: "Hold on, I'm checking for robot guards. - meee meee meee meeee meee mee"
Stan: "THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE ANY ROBOT GUARDS, RETARD, JUST GET KENNY"
Robot Guard: "beeep beep, meee meeeee meeeee mee mee meee"
The robots were tested with larger .50 caliber machine guns as well as rocket and grenade launchers.
Isn't this solution a _little_ extreme? I think the koreans had a few too many hollywood action movies. Seriously fuck this is real life, not a simulation. Sure lets build robots instead of trying to cooperate. Now I am aware of how hostile those two nations are but I mean comon, once both sides have robots, what next? It will get worse before it gets better and I'm sure thats no surprise to slashdotters.
Man, if the robots patrolling the border look anything like that forget about N. Korea ever messing with S. Korea again.
But no. They'll probably look like trash cans on wheels with poles sticking out.
Everyone knows the DPRK uses tunnels anyway. At least robots can stand up to the axe attacks better.
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I for one am a little cautious about what people could do with such robotic power. "Oops, we ordered our robots to attack their's. Oh, it was a technical faliure!" Sometime, something's going to go wrong there. And it might be the robots that do it. It might be microsoft as well...
Build a robot with quantum logic and a spin of 1/2. Duh.
Gives the North Koreans a good 5 years to make robots of their own, or just make some good magnetic weaponry that can disable robots from a satellite or from a plane flying overhead.
North Korea is far crazier than South Korea, they are extreme about control, no doubt this "consideration" is either an attempt to bait them or a bad leak.
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I wonder how the 'social ethics' warfare will be effected by using autonomous robotic soldiers.
On one hand the people of a country using such robots could become less apposed to using military force against another country. That is, no longer will your son/daughter/friends be put in harms way.
However, for the people in the country being attacked, such machines would probably be seen as monstrous cold killing machines. Something that accidentally below away your 6 year old since it confused him/her for an enemy combatant.
I was more hoping for AWESOME-O
You might be joking, or you might be serious, but let me take a stand for a minute and ask a serious question: Why is that the only thing that matters to you? And, please, if you're going to reply with "LOL OMG BSOD WILL KILL SOMEONE ROFL," save yourself the trouble and refrain from doing so. I'm very curious why you, and a number of other people, think that the only thing important is if a piece of technology runs Linux or not.
The parent is an obvious troll. >:(
I try not to believe all the propaganda that is being thrust at me. I try to evaluate the facts from as many sources as I can. Most Americans would think of me as an extreme pinko commie. I can easily find the good points about Fidel Castro.
North Korea is being run by a nut case. I can't find anything good to say about 'our dear leader' (do I have the father and son mixed up here?) South Korea has very good reason to worry about North Korea. I think it's a fine idea to kill anything that moves in the dmz. It's a great place to test killer robots.
North Korea is like China's rabid, barely controlled dog that should have been put out of its misery long ago.
Now that I've got that off my chest, I think I'll smoke a nice Cuban cigar while I stare lovingly at the poster of my hero Noam Chomsky.
OK maybe I exageraged a bit for dramatic effect. You get the picture though.
In the DMZ, you run!
Remote-control sounds fine, but automatically? Do we have software capable of reliably distingushing between a civilian and an enemy combatant (at least as well as a human soldier can, anyway...)?
Well, no, but that wouldn't be necessary. I'm sure the robots would use some form of Identification Friend or Foe [IFF] method. I'm not saying those arne't foolproof but that doesn't really require any type of automatic target recognition (ATR) or image recognition software.
Note, I'm not saying that IFF makes these robots a great idea. I'm just pointing out that the idea isn't completely idiotic.
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So who else out there's read "The Second Variety"?
No one in Korea? Hm...Maybe we should send them a copy.
Do they run ...?
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Imagine
Rediculous is ridiculous!
Please. N Korea is not going to last no more then another year or so.
They seem to have persisted pretty strongly these last few decades. Yes, they're the last Stalinist regime, propped up by foreign aid since they lack the resources or desire to take care of their own... but they have the one thing that will prevent an unprovoked invasion: weapinzamassdestrukshin. Anyone attacks, South Korea and Japan are dust. Which are unacceptable losses.
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I guess that's one way to keep people in your boarders.. set all robots to kill and go "you're now a citizen, try and leave and your plane gets targeted by the new MS-07B, good day sir".
I like muppets.
By 2010, it will be loaded with nuclear weapons
Will be loaded?
I just hope North Korea doesn't have very good hackers within it's borders to take over the bots.
Pat
Master Mold is going to take over the Earth.
I know it's stuff out of sci-fi movies, but wouldn't a large electromagnetic pulse render the robots useless, leaving the DMZ wide open to a foreign military?
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How are they going to push anybody down from 2 miles away?
Fnord.
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the problem with military spending: their circles are built by the lowest bidder.
...South Korean Zergling Rush?
Eh.
God, I hope these robots aren't running Windows...
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The Korean Armed Robots Bill = The K.A.R.B
In Korea, robots smoke you!
So basically the options are:
a surpise all or nothing submarine launched premtive all out nuclear strike on all North Korean assets. The fallout from which will kill at least tens of thousands koreans, and chinese.
wait for north korea to start a war out of desperation
Peace, the price of which is essentially writing off the more or less innocent but indoctrinated North Korean populace.
I'd like to know more about the "aEgis robots" mentioned in the article. I wonder if this is a spinoff of the Aegis naval weapons system (Some kind of super-duper anti-air targeting/firing system) technology that US/Lockheed sold to S.Korea a few years ago?
South Korean troops deployed in the northern Iraqi city of Irbil used two aEgis robots mounted with rifles between November 2004 and February 2005 for surveillance, along with mine-detonating robots.
Sounds cool. Personally, I hope these Aegis robots look something like this.
I mean after all, it was laid out pretty clearly! Just go to the Skynet labs, retrieve the robot arm and futuristic chip, blow the whole building to smithereens, then throw the pieces (along with futuristic robot companion) into the vat of molten steel. Now the future of humanity will be spared. Boy, you guys are so freakin' stupid!
Is still just a mine. The Navy's been using "smart" mines for years that use IFF and programmed sonar signatures to detect, track, and release a torpedo at a ship from a static mine. No BS.
It was only a matter of time for someone to put wheels on the concept.
Damn.
South Koreans don't have time to build robots, every single one of them is sitting in front of a PC clicking 100,000 times per second to become a starcraft champion.
The man who trades freedom for security does not deserve nor will he ever receive either. - Benjamin Franklin
You can't build a robot out of prayers for dear leader. It takes industry. South Korea has a monopoly on that.
They should just use a bunch of pissed off ex-prisoners freed from North Korean captivity.
Really, why does the US perpetuate the Korean stalemate that has now produced a raving nuclear terrorist, while South Korean government subsidies provide their residents with telecom systems vastly superior to ours? I don't know about replacing our thousands of troops there with robocops, but that situation really is perverted, and clearly has solved nothing.
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Here is a link that describes the Talon robot and the SWORDS project a little more.
I wonder how much deterrence is the DMZ against people defecting to the north, and how many South Koreans would go to North Korea if there was no such barrier in place.
I really was expecting some sort of intrusion from the north as the reason to increase the DMZ's security, not the other way around. Was anyone surprised like me when reading the article?
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Seriously, it's a joke. We always ask if any new hardware will run Linux, remember?
If it does then its probably the most "evil" use of Linux to date. There has been talk about banning the use of GPLed code in certain evil applications like this or censorship systems. Linux has been quite popular on a few robots recently (see linuxdevics.com) so its not impossible that these could end up under linux control.
Oh wait, they are.
"Accept that some days you are the pigeon, and some days you are the statue." - David Brent, Wernham Hogg
Is my math wrong, or would that be one every 4 yards or so? Why bother making them mobile, just set up automated gun turrets with motion sensors and do not walk in front of 'em. Ever. (Don't worry, things will quiet down in a day or two, there aren't that many animals in that area.)
Anything that will ease tensions between North and South Korea is fine with me.
I think killer robot patrols are a great start, personally.
Even if what you mention in your sig happened the way you say, which is doubt with your bias and troll-like history, it wasn't a crime moron. That would be a mistake, a crime would need a possible charge that could be brought. Hard to bring a charge for trying to hold a peace negotiation.
Oh and BTW, I fail to see how the values of the people of S. Korea could be considered "right-wing"
Apart from the sex trade, the rampant bootlegging and the rasicm against the refugees from the north that is.
SEOUL - "False expectations - that's how I put my life in South Korea, now," says North Korean defector Lee Min-Sun (not her real name), who works in a restaurant in the capital.
"It's like a marriage to lover who makes false promises," recalls Lee, who made her way to South Korea in 2001.
"It started with a sweetheart who promised a decent house with a fountain spring. But in reality the lover could only give a hut without even a bathtub," the 35-year-old told IPS.
"Life's so hard in South. I'm discriminated against because I'm from the North and I can't even get a decent job," laments Lee. Most people will not acknowledge me when they find out where I am from, and I have received many beatings.
FOAD you shot glass full of santorum.
Huh.. funny.
Anyway.. what about Legend of Mir?!
10 foot gun barrels.
$2000 of armour piercing rounds.
2 seconds of madness.
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Feeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeehhhhh....
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Squirr el.. terminated.
...sort of take the "D" out of "DMZ"?
Faith: n. -- That human impulse that drives them to steal appliances when the power goes out
Which would you rather have saved, Seoul or your soul? :p
"The robots will be remote controlled," said the South Korean ministry of defense. "Thus allowing for operational efficiencies far beyond what is possible today."
A reporter raises his hand. "You mean, you're setting up remote call centers?"
"Yes, we're outsourcing to China. There, thousands of workers costing us just pennies a day will patrol our borders with giant armed robots, thus fulfilling our defense needs and the needs of the Chinese population as expressed through their arts and animation."
"Any word on the North Korean Reaction?"
"Yes, and this brings better news." interjects the Ministry of Finance. "North Korea has decided to setup their own robot army and, being years behind everyone else, has decided to outsource to us for their remote defense needs. Now we could simply take their billions of pounds of rice and make a tidy profit," said the Ministry of Finance, "but South Korea is the most advanced nation in the world. We have decided to setup an online community of people willing to pay for the priviledge of protecting a theoretical Kingdom from invading barbarians, inside of a communial, multiplayer environment."
"A Massively Multiplayer Online Role Playing Game?"
"Yes, a MMPORPG. A MMPORPG so grand it will make Lineage look like Everquest."
Everyone in the room laughs, except for the American who looks confused.
"And you too for just 15 dollars a month can be the last line of defense against a rampaging horde of demons. They're very expensive demons, funded by Satan himself. Demons who want to ravage your women, kill your pets, and give you low-paying jobs without benefits while preventing unionization.
"As border skirmishes are rare, won't this game be incredibly boring?"
"People pay to play Star Wars Galaxies, don't they?"
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Part of our settlement with Taiwan for the dismanteling of their nuclear weapons program in 1992 (which if discovered by the Chinese would have started WWIII, thank you CIA) is a promise to defend them in the event of Chinese invasion. And while the Chinese have a lot of ships they have some big problems.
Their worst is Taiwan is an unsinkable aircraft carrier, and those aircraft don't need to fly very far. And it's fairly militant in it own right. They will defend their homes VICIOUSLY. And perhaps with nuclear weapons we don't know about.
Beyond that it's the F-15. That alone would assure Japan (which would be mightily opposed to Chinese militarism) and US forces would establish not air superiority but air dominance. The chinese would have not just no air support for their forces, only their anti-aircraft missles to shield them form opposing air forces. So unless they plan to swim across to Taiwan, it's a losing proposition. Before navies are even discussed.
Of the navies involed, only one of them is a true blue water navy. One of the navies is brand new, and expanding quickly. So they'll make mistakes. And in war, those will have tragic consequences.
The news. The US is testing a variety of anti-missle systems including theater defense missles, lasers, and, of course, the F-22 Raptor.
China will talk a big game, but they're not going to play unless they have reason to think that Taiwan is close to actually deploying a real live nuclear weapon. The very act of rolling the dice could very well destroy their military, and all the recent gains they've made. Oh they're evil. But they're by no means foolhardy.
Everytime China bullshits about how they're going to invade Taiwan what they're really saying, is "GOD DAMN IT!! WE'RE FUCKING STARVING FOR CASH!!! It helps you too, look at our economic growth!!!!"
From the article: "Robots with weapons mounted on their frames are each expected to be able to observe from 2 and 1 kilometers during the day and night, respectively, and will have the capability to record voices and take pictures in a 180-degree circle."
That's great and all, but if the robots can't also slip across the DMZ to play cards and drink beer with the other side then what good are they really?
When information is power, privacy is freedom.
What they really need is a bunch of Bender units instead. Everyone might learn to lighten up a bit over there...
If it is demilaterised how can they have armed robots patrolling it? Unless they are civilian armed robots I guess?
I hate to say it, but using robots is dumb. The USA has the best hackers ever! We'll hack your robots and make them turn on you. Will it be running on Microsoft Windows? *grin*
Seriously, I think that if I was the country of North Korea, I would be arming myself to the teeth too. Imagine being the "different" kid on the block. All of a sudden, the big boy named USA decides to kick the snot out of the avarage sized boy called Iraq. This kid named USA is even taunting others, like your buddy Iran. The only other large kid who would have a chance in a fight with the USA is out with the flu, and it does not look like he'll be back any time soon. So what do you do? You start filling your pockets with rocks. You look for the biggest stick you can find. And you try and do it very quietly.
But back to the OP. Do we really think the USA is the only country that should show off its muscles? Should other countries be allowed to have the same level of military power?
Rosco: "If brains were gunpowder, Enos couldn't blow his nose."
'caus we know how much more effective fences & robots are against Nuclear weapons. :)
Some of the fences have rocks stuck into gaps, so that if the fence is bumped they will be dislodged and show possible intrusion. But there are no electric fences, nor electronic sensors and surveillance cameras. The ministry will discuss with defense-related research and operational commanders how to develop the new programs and will earmark budget funds for the programs in 2006.
"Robots with weapons mounted on their frames are each expected to be able to observe from 2 and 1 kilometers during the day and night, respectively, and will have the capability to record voices and take pictures in a 180-degree circle."
Wouldn't 180 degrees be a semi-circle?
It started back in Team Fortress Classic
Do you really think China would continue to prop up the US dollar and fund America's war machine if we pissed them off? China would kick our American asses back into the great depression for thinking about it. Considering America is:
- $8 Trillion dollars in debt
- Dependent on foreign loans, primarily from China and Japan because our leadership can't balance a f'ing checkbook
- Dependent on China/Korea/Tiawan to manufacture all our fancy electronics, cloths, consumer goods, and well... everything else
Then yes, I do think N. Korea will continue unhindered by American interference.It sounds like North Korea needs to purchase Old Glory Robot Insurance before the metal ones decide to come for them.
http://www.robotcombat.com/video_oldglory_hi.html
Sounds kind of fun really... someone should make a video game of that! "Duel other battle robots in the wilderness of the DMZ of Korea!"
I dunno... some marketing droids need to get on that 'cause it might be a little hard to market. maybe if we put them in subsaharan africa? Lions as match distractions. Sounds kind of fun really.
Good idea! Let's go out and buy some drinks while the graphic artists get started on the concept art.
I, for one, welcome our new robot overlords.
http://www.robotcombat.com/video_oldglory_lo.html
I thought they robot patrolling in Israel.
Tell China if they don't reign in North Korea and make them get rid of their nukes, we'll just have to help Taiwan, South Korea, and Japan get nukes too. That'd get Chinese attention because it would flush Chinese dreams of dominating East Asia for the next century down the tubes really quick.
After all, the US stopped Taiwan from developing their own nukes in the 1980s - the Red Chinese owe us.
Shades of Deus Ex. RPG anyone?
LOL OMG BSOD WILL KILL SOMEONE ROFL
yeah, I can see it now. Something terrible will happen.
North Koreans wear little pins with a portrait of the Great Leader on their shirts at all times. As long as the robots can pick those out of a scene, misidentification should be minimal!
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This is waste of money, and it certainly will be too 'dodgy' to deploy (one mistake could cause incredible mess).
Will it leave it's post to find Sarah Conner?
Target anything that moves and doesn't have a valid RFID signature.
"You're looking at the future, Mr Grossman: people translated as data." (Bryce, Max Headroom)
Dealing with lawyers would be a lot less tedious if they all looked like Casey Novak.
There are two ways to run these robots, either by remote control or automatically. If you run them by remote, then all the enemy has to do is to hack your control signal and control your robot themselves. If the DRM/anti-DRM skirmishes have taught us anything it's that all signals can be hacked if there's enough will on the part of the hacker. If they run the robots automatically, then they're asking for an even bigger disaster, since robots today have enough trouble telling a soccer ball apart from a field. There's basically no way they'd be able to distinguish a friend from a foe. Even if you made your uniforms easily recognizable, the enemy could just start wearing those uniforms too and walk on by. So, if you then give up and put the robot into "shoot anything that moves" mode, you've basically reinvented the landmine, only now it's standing up in the middle of the field where anyone can see it with binoculars, and easily call for an artillery hit before they walk through the area.
Dumb idea.
wouldn't it be quite easy to imitate a wild animals to bypass robot security? if that's the case do u think n. koreans are more of the "kill 99 innocent men along so that 1 guilty man be punished?" or "free 99 guilty men, so that 1 innocent man won't have to die?"
for some reason, i dont think the understand the former philosophy too much.
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Actually, according to a lot of other sources, the bomb has been dropped while the Japanese were already ready to surrender.
It is very likely that it has been done as a way to test this new technology and also to establish the "pecking order" in the world after WWII.
I know this is a technology centric website but let me say, as someone who has worked in the military with pretty high-tech gear, you guys are overestimating military technology. Some of you out there might say "But I seen military technology work all the time." Well that's nice, but I've seen how the triumvirate of scientist/engineer contractors, military officers and shitty technology can come together to make a terrible economic and time wasting mess.
I state the overestimation for a number of cynical reasons:
1. A lot of military technology doesn't get tested in warlike situations or complex terrain and when the technology is put into 'war-like' operations or complex terrain it doesn't live up to its hype. Bureaucracy also plays a part in slowing down projects and making them unrealistic.
2. Hyping the machine. This is what military officers and the contractors do. They hype up the technology to whole new bullshitting levels. The officers do it for their promotions and careers and the contractors do it for the money.
The terminator scenario won't happen for a very very long time.
Besides, all Il has to do is lob a nuke over the border (And he would, too) and all your robots get fried by the EMP. You can pretty much bet that if he decides to invade, you'll be stuck fighting a footsoldier battle in fallout.
I'm trying to teach myself to set people on fire with my mind... Is it hot in here?
Neogentronyx is currently in the process of constructing a Bipedal Exo-Skeletal Robotic Vehicle, known as a Mech and designated NMX04-1A. The purpose of the NMX04-1A is proof of concept and to make the first bold step towards full production of Mecha vehicles, affordable to civilians and not just commercial entities. There are plenty of pretty pictures and info here. See also these larger more recent pics
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As someone noted:
Bring a few cans of WD-40. Looks like they are assembling this thing out in the open! No building to put it in!
"It is a greater offense to steal men's labor, than their clothes"
By calling these machines "robots", we imply that they're autonomous and mobile. But from the article, they will be placed every kilometer along the border. And there is no mention of autonomy.
These are more like remote-controlled guns with video cameras. Maybe they'll be mounted on telephone poles. No new technology really needed here - it could be built with 1970's tech.
The driver here is not to have a more effective border patrol, but to free up lots of troops so they can spend time training rather than guarding the border.
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Agreed. Perhaps many Slashdot readers don't really understand what the DMZ is like. In the 1980s and 90s, live ambushes were a fact of life along the DMZ (they may still be, but I'm no longer in the Army so I don't have inside info about it). The North Koreans for decades have poked and prodded the border: They've sent infiltrators into South Korea, have created elaborate tunnel systems below the DMZ, and attempted to assassinate the South Korean president, among other provocations. Troops stationed along the DMZ for good reason keep an extraordinarily high state of readiness. Over 100 Americans have died along the DMZ since the armstice (I don't have figures for South Korean soldiers).
So while from the comfort of Ft. Livingroom, it's easy to say that using armed robots to patrol the DMZ is a bad idea, the soldiers on the ground are probably pretty happy about the notion. That's not to say that the robots will work as advertised, or that they should replace existing defenses. The South Korean government may be motivated by cost considerations, but if the end result is that fewer South Korean soldiers are likely to die in the line of duty, it seems worth trying out some form of automated defense.
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"... Robots with weapons mounted on their frames..."
"... will have the capability to record voices..."
So, these killer robots will be recording the screams of their kills? I can just imagine it back at the barracks.
R. Champlis 03872: Check this one out I got today.
-Recorded voice sreaming in agony-
R. Smith 53975: Oh that's nothing. Check out THIS one.
-Recorded voice of a blood curdeling scream.
R. Smith 53975: Now THAT's a kill.
I for one welcome our sadistic killing machine overlords (sorry).
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In Korea, nothing will happen to old people, because there won't be any. Robots will kill them young.
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Actually, at a point not terribly far north of Seoul, only military (and resident) traffic may pass. There's still people that work the fields and whatnot, (the Koreans are damn good at farming any remotely flat chunk of land) and people that go on tours of the DMZ.
I actually had to go up there recently, and noted that there was quite the impressive collection of wildlife running around (especially given that I'm stuck in Seoul, where pigeons are about all you see)
That being said, a real easy way of IDing friend or foe: assuming you can track every humanoid, the ones that started on the other side of the border, are definitely foe. The ones that entered the field of vision on this side, need to be kept under watch.
The Americans are already using armed robots to kill, er, I mean, free Iraqis.
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If you'd RTFA, you'd know by now that they have already built their Factory, and getting the Armoury done... Goliaths are on their way.
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http://www.koreaherald.co.kr/SITE/data/html_dir/2
...."South Korea plans to outsource DMZ Robot customer service to India, China and Canada. South Korea is also considering plans to outsource 24/7 remote pilots for the robots some time in the next year. Our sources say it's likely the remote operations contract will go to a small town in Honduras, who are so hopped up on cocaine they never sleep. More on this as information becomes available".... ..."This just in...the small town in Honduras offering 24/7 pilot services has decided to change their name to "Skynet". More on this story as it progresses"....
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Hmm, just got to get it from behind and whack it with a baseball bat from the top down - whackamole...
The main justification given by the US for its refusal to join the civilized world and give up land mines is that they are needed in the DMZ. If robots replace land mines, will the US finally agree to the land mine ban?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_bombings_of_Hi roshima_and_Nagasaki
Others contend that Japan had been trying to surrender for at least two months, but the US refused by insisting on an unconditional surrender--which they did not get even after the bombing, the bone of contention being retention of the Emperor.[13] (http://www.nuclearfiles.org/hitimeline/1945.html) In fact, while several diplomats favored surrender, the leaders of the Japanese military were committed to fighting a 'Decisive Battle' on Kyushu, hoping that they could negotiate better terms for an armistice afterward--all of which the Americans knew from reading decrypted Japanese communications. The Japanese government never did decide what terms, beyond preservation of an imperial system, they would have accepted to end the war; as late as August 9, the Supreme Council was still split, with the hardliners insisting Japan should demobilize its own forces, no war crimes trials, and no occupation. Only the direct intervention of the Emperor ended the dispute, and even after that a military coup was attempted to prevent the surrender (although it was easily suppressed).
Actually if I were the South Korean's I would do this. You have a buit in test site. You have a incredible industry. You have a business opportunity! You now get the 5 tigers into the arms business and further diferenterate yourself from the Chinese. And who in North Korea (or for that matter South Korea) can complain!
Honda, Sony look out!
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.. goes to the parent. Notice how the grandparent talks specifically about civilians.
A Friend/Foe identification requires all participants to carry some sort of transponders, and can at best recognize friends, and just cannot recognize civilians at all, and in addition it cannot recognize South Korean reinforcements that might be moved into the area, since such reinforcements would have no transponders that the regular border troops might have. Also you might want to switch your transponder off in combat since it gives away your position to the enemy.
A better argument would be that human troops cause friendly fire too, so that it doesn't make much difference.
I'm still trying to figure out what people mean by 'social skills' here.
The new generation of South Koreans are f---ing whiny ingrates. The US should be completely off the Korean peninsula, with a nuclear umbrella treaty. The US presence is only a small percentage of the force anyway, and all I ever hear is the Euro-style whining about it. Pull back and redeploy.
Same goes for Germany and Okinawa too.
A dramatic accident happened in South Korea when a software glitch caused the death of 10 people and the injury of 15 others....
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You know, this is one of those things that people will just always argue over, until we can get some SERIOUSLY unbiased teachers in our public schools.
I think there are four kinds of High School History class right now:
1) Ignorant, Liberal: Atomic Bomb Bad.
2)Ignorant, Conservative: Atomic Bomb saved lives! It good!
3)Mediocre, Liberal: The Atomic bomb was used, unfortunately, even though the Japanese had already offered their surrender. Unfortunately, just as the Japanese failed to communicate a declaration of War, they failed to go through proper channels of surrender. If we'd only listened!
4)Mediocre, Conservative: The Atomic Bomb was used because.... (See above post)
I actually have the feeling that it was the fact that none of the Japanese were willing to tell their Emperor (i.e. their god) that part of the agreement of surrender was, in fact, surrender of the Emperor himself! How does one surrender a god? On the other hand, while no other political leader would ever ask to surrender himself in this way at the end of a war, the U.S. knew that without this condition, Japan would never truly stop fighting.
Don't you mean.. BIZZARO!
Can you smell what the ROK is cooking?
than to replace miles and miles of fences, layers deep, in mine infested terrain.
the aEgis robot looks like a pretty straight forward design.
Perhaps automatic targeting can be enabled only when a large number of infiltrators have been detected and verified by a human operator.
It's amazing how easily one can fool high tech equipment with low tech techniques and tricks. What did the Iraqis 1990 to fool heat sensors? They put camping methane burners inside tank decoys to attract missiles. And guess what? It worked great!
How do you fool robots? What about airplanes dropping huge loads of water on them? They may be isolated against water, but think of all the mud all around: that could easily render them useless. And who said it has to be water? What about acid? You get the idea.
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I guess nobody noticed the ocean surrounding North and South Korea. The "fortified border" is utter bullshit when THE NORTH KOREANS CAN SWIM AROUND IT.
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Now they'll have the robots by next year!
S. Korea and N. Korea (aka ROKkem and SOKkem, respectively)
till their heads pop off...
Korea was occupied with one Japanes army in the North and antoher in the South. The Northern general surrendered to the Russians and the Southern genreal surrendered to the United States. The Kurril islands of Northern Japanese were taken by force by the Russians and remains occupied by Russia today.
The DMZ is definitely civilain free, except for a few small areas where a special class of dual-citizens live and farm. I'd really be nervous to live there... Clashes between heavy machine guns often flare up betweent he two sides, all along the DMZ.
I don't know what sort of alternate reality the poster is from, but in my world circles are comprised of 360 degrees. Or maybe the Koreans are cutting costs by dividing circles into half as many segments.
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The robots will see in a "180 degree circle". That wil truly be a feat.
Seems the USA tried this in ' Nam ' with the detectors outside camps.
Didnt work! If humans struggle to assess a threat how's software going to do it?
Sounds like there running out of ideas over there. Bob
It Seems I've developed an aversion to proprietary software
I think that calling these things robots is little more then a public relations ploy. The Korean Government is more likely to appove large appropreations for this project if the guilible masses think they'll have a marching army of robot warriors on the front line.
From reading the article it sounds like these are actually little more then an automated defense perimeter. These will be simply replacing the manned patrols that are likely very expensive and not as effective.
Actually the idea of an automated defense perimeter is SO much cooler then robots. To demonstrate let me reconstruct an invasion senario using Dune 2000. North Korean "Freeman" Units against the rocket towers and walls of the South Korean Troops.
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On the other hand, if the US was not indebited to other nations, would they be more likely to feel obligated to build up a military to rival that of the US? It may be that US military power is partly counterbalanced by economic dependence. The result is a sole superpower that can keep do most of the military heavy-lifting when the UN decides its necessary, but that is effectively powerless against its creditors.
All we have to do over the next few hundred years is complete the corporate take-over of the US government and then have China acquire it in a massive merger.