People should just use *something*
Is not a valid answer to a problem. Because might have a security issue or missing option two weeks later - and you will tell them:
"People should just use *software originally having problems*."
BTW if you go for a different solution, use one following "one tool per task" - in this case tar, bzip2 and gpg/pgp. These tools will be the standards for a specific task much longer.
*realizes that SuSE offers no complete isos...* *realizes the ftp-install option for 9.1 isnt out yet...* *Thinks...* *Runs away to the local store...*
...the last distro of Knoppix as a rescue disk...
I always found Knoppix a bit overloaded for Systemrescue...
So I use this
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Of cause because that's the real world and the one we play in it will end up like this: 30, Fresh high school grads will end up doing the Install the OS, Create 210 users steps so all the others can do the other tasks. The heavy price tag of the OS X will play a rule then, and might disqualify it even as option.
gentoo might actually be quite a good option in this realistic scenario.
Linking a unprotected Wiki Frontpage to Slashdot - that will be fun...
Lets see how well MoinMoin can handle this... a good test of Python under heavy load...
Foir those of you wondering: The frontpage is most certainly defaced, when you look at it...
Stop your whining. [...] to see the crybabies always repeating the same crap [...] stop your damn bitching already, you big babies!
You must be new here...
but my new Gentoo box actually runs about TWICE as fast!!
You b0rked something with you Slackware install... -O3 and -march=XXX really makes a huge difference.
No, not a huge one. However, -fomit-frame-pointer makes a difference on archs where it isnt included in -O2/3
by default (x86 for example)
You have a point on gentoos maintainablity and user-friendliness tough...
Björn, a longtime gentoo user - because it just works.
This and firefox cookie management enable you to check a box for weird stuff. But it should be pretty hard work to get hostile stuff inplace anyway in a automated way. Chkrootkit should be run from a liveCD of cause...
1. Find its fonts without having to edit the XF86Config file 189 times and install some half-working font server for the other three fonts.
This seems to be in work now: X.org release notes 2. Upgrade Gnome and KDE applications without having to install yet ANOTHER version of glibc. That or statically link everything and quit pursuing dynamically-linked utopia. I think there's enough disk space now.
This system was first installed 2 years ago and I have only one version of glibc installed ( 2.3.2-r9) 3. Have a file manager that isn't linked to every single library on the system, so that if one library is upgraded/replaced, it doesn't make the file manager useless. ROX rocks 4. Make it so these problems can be fixed without changing distributions.
Your current distro being Windows 2000 or Windows XP?
probably pkgsrc
are *much* more advanced than any Windows installing procedure. They can keep a system up-to-date all the time. There is no bit-rot like in windows, where you still do a reinstall every year, because the system is cluttered with strange files from unknown origins that even all the cleaner software cant clean up. rpms will have to die though (and they are). Similarly the lower-level developers of application libraries (glibc, openssl, gtk, qt, etc) need to ensure that they provide backwards compatibility in new versions of their software. This will of course lead to bloat (the downside) as newer libraries have to retain support for older applications.
This is mostly a binary-only problem. A recompile and evenrything is fine.
No, seriously. No need to bloat libs for one binary heritage app (if it wasnt a heritage apps I would using the new lib interface). If all else fails with this one app, there Usermode Linux will be more than ready to provide a sandbox for this app by the time this is really a problem. Finally, kernel developers need to provide standardised, backwards compatible interfaces for device drivers and so forth, so that the commercial, closed binary for video driver 'x' will still run on kernel 2.8.9 in two years time.
A two years old video driver? On a gaming system (yes, gaming on linux), two year old hardware is irrelevant. On a office workstation the opensource driver for the same hardware would be more than enough.
(Ok, by now everyone knows we are talking about nvidia...)
It seems the situation differs between Europe and the US.
I *can* get a complete PC without Software preinstalled - for 100 EUR less.
That shop is not half a mile from my home - I assume in every major city you can get such a offer....
You learn enough w/ Slackware, you get pretty recent software in Debian unstable
I have just one desktop and get both with gentoo. the performance optimization seems to be mostly a myth
True. But USE-Flags allow my to costumize the way my packages are build. And they are very stable since portge sandboxes the installs and if something fscks up it often does already in the compile.
Management of configuration files are another plus (etc-update). Without this the common upgrade cycles would be very annoying.
And finally gentoo scales pretty well:
You want a fast-installed desktop? Use Stage3+GRP
You have a server/desktop farm? Use distcc to compile on all systems, test on one machine, then share just install the binary package (the one you configured, conpiled and tested) on all machines (or use NFS to share it).
and you are up to date.
The gentoo releases are only about the install CDs.
If you had no problems during install you dont need the new release because all newer packages are in the portage tree anyway.
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People should just use *something*
Is not a valid answer to a problem. Because might have a security issue or missing option two weeks later - and you will tell them:
"People should just use *software originally having problems*."
BTW if you go for a different solution, use one following "one tool per task" - in this case tar, bzip2 and gpg/pgp. These tools will be the standards for a specific task much longer.
You are right, but the link is wrong:
CDs are Roasted, not baked.
*realizes that SuSE offers no complete isos...*
*realizes the ftp-install option for 9.1 isnt out yet...*
*Thinks...*
*Runs away to the local store...*
why not take the whole step and name the major version after the year? ...
Like 2004.0, 2004.1
...the last distro of Knoppix as a rescue disk... ...
So I use this
I always found Knoppix a bit overloaded for Systemrescue
Of cause because that's the real world and the one we play in it will end up like this:
30, Fresh high school grads will end up doing the Install the OS, Create 210 users steps so all the others can do the other tasks.
The heavy price tag of the OS X will play a rule then, and might disqualify it even as option.
gentoo might actually be quite a good option in this realistic scenario.
Linking a unprotected Wiki Frontpage to Slashdot - that will be fun ... ... a good test of Python under heavy load ...
...
Lets see how well MoinMoin can handle this
Foir those of you wondering: The frontpage is most certainly defaced, when you look at it
GLIS
Stop your whining. [...] to see the crybabies always repeating the same crap [...] stop your damn bitching already, you big babies! ...
You must be new here
but my new Gentoo box actually runs about TWICE as fast!! ... ...
You b0rked something with you Slackware install
-O3 and -march=XXX really makes a huge difference.
No, not a huge one. However, -fomit-frame-pointer makes a difference on archs where it isnt included in -O2/3 by default (x86 for example)
You have a point on gentoos maintainablity and user-friendliness tough
Björn, a longtime gentoo user - because it just works.
so dont compile the pc speaker driver into the kernel ....
Linux is doomed if it can't even Ding! when email arrives.
Linux doesnt need no stinking "Ding!".
We have the far more superior beep!
This and firefox cookie management enable you to check a box for weird stuff. But it should be pretty hard work to get hostile stuff inplace anyway in a automated way. Chkrootkit should be run from a liveCD of cause ...
... the ever popular Tex and Latex ...
Thats TeX and LaTeX, you insensitive clod!
1. Find its fonts without having to edit the XF86Config file 189 times and install some half-working font server for the other three fonts.
This seems to be in work now: X.org release notes
2. Upgrade Gnome and KDE applications without having to install yet ANOTHER version of glibc. That or statically link everything and quit pursuing dynamically-linked utopia. I think there's enough disk space now.
This system was first installed 2 years ago and I have only one version of glibc installed ( 2.3.2-r9)
3. Have a file manager that isn't linked to every single library on the system, so that if one library is upgraded/replaced, it doesn't make the file manager useless.
ROX rocks
4. Make it so these problems can be fixed without changing distributions. Your current distro being Windows 2000 or Windows XP?
How about TAFKAP: The application formerly known as phoenix.
The first three "internet" points are there just to show that open source can bootstrap itself - few things can actually stop this process /me thinks.
Deb
Portage (Gentoo)
ports
probably pkgsrc ...)
are *much* more advanced than any Windows installing procedure. They can keep a system up-to-date all the time. There is no bit-rot like in windows, where you still do a reinstall every year, because the system is cluttered with strange files from unknown origins that even all the cleaner software cant clean up. rpms will have to die though (and they are).
Similarly the lower-level developers of application libraries (glibc, openssl, gtk, qt, etc) need to ensure that they provide backwards compatibility in new versions of their software. This will of course lead to bloat (the downside) as newer libraries have to retain support for older applications.
This is mostly a binary-only problem. A recompile and evenrything is fine.
No, seriously. No need to bloat libs for one binary heritage app (if it wasnt a heritage apps I would using the new lib interface). If all else fails with this one app, there Usermode Linux will be more than ready to provide a sandbox for this app by the time this is really a problem.
Finally, kernel developers need to provide standardised, backwards compatible interfaces for device drivers and so forth, so that the commercial, closed binary for video driver 'x' will still run on kernel 2.8.9 in two years time.
A two years old video driver? On a gaming system (yes, gaming on linux), two year old hardware is irrelevant. On a office workstation the opensource driver for the same hardware would be more than enough.
(Ok, by now everyone knows we are talking about nvidia
ezipupdate ... ...
ddclient
no-ip
are just a few
I'm using ddclient
It seems the situation differs between Europe and the US. ....
I *can* get a complete PC without Software preinstalled - for 100 EUR less.
That shop is not half a mile from my home - I assume in every major city you can get such a offer
FPS:
Enemy Territory
Americas Army
Quakeforge RTS:
Starcraft
Stronghold Crusader TBS:
Master of Orion 3
Freeciv Arcade:
Scorched3d
Crack-attack
armagetron For me, that is enough to get rid of a windows partition. Still: more games would be better of cause!
Their new web designer should probably go to jail too.
I'm afraid you cant put FRONTPAGE 5.0 into jail.
You might also take a look at distrowatch to find candidates...
You learn enough w/ Slackware, you get pretty recent software in Debian unstable
I have just one desktop and get both with gentoo.
the performance optimization seems to be mostly a myth
True. But USE-Flags allow my to costumize the way my packages are build. And they are very stable since portge sandboxes the installs and if something fscks up it often does already in the compile.
Management of configuration files are another plus (etc-update). Without this the common upgrade cycles would be very annoying.
And finally gentoo scales pretty well:
You want a fast-installed desktop? Use Stage3+GRP
You have a server/desktop farm? Use distcc to compile on all systems, test on one machine, then share just install the binary package (the one you configured, conpiled and tested) on all machines (or use NFS to share it).
and you are up to date.
The gentoo releases are only about the install CDs. If you had no problems during install you dont need the new release because all newer packages are in the portage tree anyway.