I am not sure some of you understand what kind of damage this particular board can do. First, this is a very very small community. In some cases there are as few as 100 students per class. In law school, much like high school, everybody know everybody. It is very easy to identify people, and many students know lots of students at some of the other schools. Everybody knows where everone else is working that summer, and who is dating whom.
Also, a lot of you fail to realize how law firm hiring works. If you fall outside the 2L hiring system, you are essentially in serious trouble. It is very difficult to find a good large law firm job if you did not summer in your 2L summer. Trying to find a job as a 3L is exceptionally difficult, even if you go to an elite school. It is like a dented can in many ways.
Imagine having 180k in debt and be completely outside of the hiring cycle because of the anonymous comments on a website. Particularly if you have spent most your adult life working towards that point and now you find yourself at the mercy of some kids that think their actions are funny.
Just to set the stage for how bizarre Florida is for politics. Janet Reno ran against Jeb. My brother took a picture with her at an appearance at the Florida-Miami game and he said she smelled like moth balls.
First, corporations in industry are always concerned about prior art. They always have been. Yes, patent litigation is built into the opportunity costs of what they are doing. However, to suggest that this so called behavior will ever grow to the point where it becomes a disincentive to innovate and sell products is completely off base. And yes, freedom to operate searches are expensive, but entirely feasible, particularly in niche industries. The solution to that problem is hire the right firm to do it, and have a product that is worth selling.
Interestingly your logic is precisely what is used to support the patent system. For example, most small bio-tech companies rely on their ability to patent their piece of IP in order to survive. The ability to obtain the negative right of a patent is their incentive to develop new technology. Otherwise, it would not be possible.
Let's take this a little further. Imagine the state of affairs if the recent 103 - obviousness case had made the space between inventions too wide, meaning making things too obvious. Large companies would love this. They could file all day long (e.g. IBM for example) while the small company can no longer obtain protection for their new developments which are typically in small fields.
Yet another step is to rid ourselves of this "horrible burden" and just allow everybody to compete. Well that is all well and good, but that would mean only the largest of corporations would survive. I don't think I need to spell out how leveraging certain industries operates. Further, our system of anti-trust laws are not designed to penalize you for being really good at what you do. So, in effect, market effeciency would kill the little guy and ibm and the like only get larger.
The fact of the matter is that a functioning patent system is piece of our market economy and in no way runs completely counter to a capital economy. Just because some sketchy issues have happened from the art units dealing with electrical devices and softare/business method patents does not mean the "whole system needs to be killed." The patent system is broken at the moment, but calling for its complete disassembly is nothing more than reactionary. I guess congress should just "disregard" that constitutional grant of power to protect the discoveries of inventors.
Indeed. I wrestled with the syntax for awhile. Ultimately I decided that it would be more effective to have a return type that was used for the branch condition. Can you send me a memo with really detailed UML diagrams? Yeah, and we are going to have to have you come in on Sunday too, mmmkay?
You are correct that it isn't the most complicated thing ever. However, it is just isn't practical as a desktop operating system and can be an extreme pain in the ass.
Not wanting to put my standing or knowledge in issue.... Suffice it to say I have a graduate degree in computer engineering and have extensive linux experience from the desktop environment all the way down the using uclinux for embedded devices. I've even written and modified a file system or two, and made my own kernels for small special purpose computers and embedded devices alike. So, I think I am qualified to speak on it being a pain in the ass.
The double-work does exist. It happens all the time. I can't stand inefficiency. HUMAN work-time inefficiency. Frankly, it is irritating. When you time is worth money and you don't have time to deal with the obtuse interface or the problems you and 150000 other people ran into at the same time it sucks. It doesn't happen for me but it happens for others, and sometimes having to research to make something work is a tremendous waste of time.
You are right. Some people don't know the tools. That is they point. Eff the tools. Make it work. Make it turn on and do the same thing that my laptop that I am typing on right now does. It just doesn't do that. Make it transparent.
Different distributions have different strengths and weaknesses.
Package installation is not one of Fedora's strengths, and never has been.
For that, the title goes to Debian and its derivatives (Ubuntu, in particular).
So because your mission is different, I think you might do well to look at a different distribution, like Ubuntu.
Dude. That is his point.
There shouldn't be mission level granularity. It should just work for some things. I have had similar experiences and I only use linux for development or web-based applications. As far as using it for desktop, forget it.
People have jobs, families, wives and girlfriends. Linux is the biggest double-work creation system in the world. Think of all the times people are recreating the exact same problems nearly simultaneously. There is energy being lost to the universe.
Some day that will change, but it doesn't appear to be any time soon.
We have them all over in all the new bathrooms at our law school. It smells HORRIBLE. Honestly. I have not yet met somebody that doesn't think it is the worst thing ever. All the bathrooms are super extra disgusting.
I am currently finishing my first year of law school, and I can tell you that internet is definately a huge issue. We have a school policy against internet usage, and a number of students in family law in the spring got the hammer dropped on them for being in an AOL chat room.
Between instant messanging and web browsing, I would definatley say that it affects peoples ability to pay attention. But, I personally think that the students who are using the internet to distract themselves are the same students that would have distracted themselves in some other way back in the day.
The issue is big enough that it is basically the first thing they talk to you about with respect to class, and they repeat it like 50 times during "introduction to the profession" which happens just before you start school. One of the other major issues is that the classrooms have the exact number of seats for the number of students we have, so basically there is the potential to be distracting to OTHER students as well....
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What if you are passionate about porsches. I happen to be.
What if you put yourself through a number of years of school so that you can do porsche club racing. It just happens to be an expensive hobby. I don't agree that you can dismiss the integration of money and passion so easily. Not everybody wants to make a lot of money so they can swing their dick around. Some people want to have certain experiences that require significant amounts of money.
What if you like to travel? What if you like sailing? What if you like giving money to charity?
Getting in a top-tier law school isn't really that bad. I just started school this year. I would say though that having an engineering degree EE or CE would be better. Even though you can sit for the PTO exam, many of the jobs I have seen seem to ask specifically for EE or CE.
Yeah. Well for a lot of linux freaks in college IBM wants them to move to bumfuss NY. I said no. Pickusee (spelling) is not my idea of a good time. Nor did I want to finish my M.S. at rotchester (spelling again). They are trying to do exactly what you are saying. I didn't feel it. I am out of engineering now for various reasons. I would have loved to make a good living doing linux development/extension but IBM is a corp. Don't turn your back a monster like them.
Referring to anyone as "the kind of people" makes you look like a douchebag. You are the tart cart conspiracy theorist talking about the CEO of Diebold. Go get a new tin foil hat and learn to lose with some dignity.
File Systems work particularly well in certain application environments. A good example being ReiserFS. The only way this could be the last word is if somehow it was the best for all the current known ways in which computing can be applied and that no more will be found. This would be like being a FileSystem yes man. At this point I get modded down.... Which is more or less just like one of the current candidates for President.
This is horribly retarded, and another example of why I am attending law school. We already have myriad name resolution services for the Internet. I don't get it. Bringing the legal system kicking and screaming into technology awareness is akin to Peter the Great dragging Russia into the modern world. Some day unfounded patent infringement claims and misguided computer technology legal decisions will be a thing of the past (or at least that is what I hope). At least this is only temporary; hopefully a more informed permanent decision will be made. Meh.
Meh. That is a load of garbage. If you know what you are doing and you have a degree from a good school, you will get a job. I have had no problem finding employment ever, even while being in school during the last few years. In fact, I am current working at a temporary summer position making ~45k/year as computed using the hourly wage they are paying me at 40hrs/week. I have one semester left before receiving my master's degree. All of my friends that graduated last semester found employment. Most had many offers. The reality is most of the cert. only people are not worth anything. How could you ever think a certification is even close to earning a quality degree from a good school? The guy that has that degree destroyed the cert. guy in high school academically, and that is why they went to the quality university.
I also agree with this. I wasn't placing blame on schummy in particular with that statement. The failure of other teams is certainly the issue at hand. As a result of this failure, ferrari/schummy dominate. It makes it boring to watch for me. It just isn't as cool as it used to be.
I am not really much of a formula one fan due in large part to schummy's dominance. Formula one has always been a competitive racing series, but with the cars the way they are there is very little passing, save for the first lap. I typically will watch the first few laps, decide they are running way faster than I have ever come close to in my road course driving and switch the channel. I don't even bother watching the end of the race because it is essentially scripted.
I wish could back to the old days when ayrton senna and jean alesi were around. Formula one has been a great racing series for long time, but the schummy thing is definately making me turn away.
How did this idea become so pervasive in the first place? This is like the south park episode with the eat through your ass and defecate through your mouth idea.
Some of the commentary indicates that american students are lazy etc.... This to a degree is true. However, this year and the previous year I didn't have the opportunity to go on spring break because of school related projects and work related software I am developing. Further more, at least 80% of the foreign students in our department are HORRIBLY lazy. The code they produce is absolutely horrible. As an example I just finished my Distributed OS project using a test framework that didn't introduce race condtions because it just IS a race condition. This is what I have observed having had many foreign students as follow students. There is also a known culture of collaboration among foreign students. So much so that I think 8 or 10 students were nailed for excessive collaboration (ie copying of code) on one of my recent compiler projects. The idea here is that foreign students are not always above and beyond american students, and in some cases they are weaker in integrity and talent. This is neither the rule, nor the exception. It just is in some cases.
I think people need to realize that there are talented american engineers (ie not programmers) in our universities around the country. I say, take the top N american born engineers and place them next to the top N foreign engineers at american unversities and I guarantee the americans will be more competent. I am tired of answering the same questions over and over again as posed by the foreign students in my Programming Language Principles class. These kids just hack and hack for hours on end until they get something that works. They aren't any more talented, they just beat every problem into submission and get something that kinda sorta works. What does this mean for the state of software? It means it is going to be just as horrible as it has always been, and maybe worse. The most talented american students are leaving the industry, like me. The remaining american engineers will be left working on military software and lifeless.NET database applications. The remainder of the software will be outsourced. I have given up. People in this industry are just under trained, lack sufficient talent, and in some cases speak unintelligible english. This means that if you take an engineering job you will working right next to the kid you couldn't handle answering questions for in school, but now you have to do it for a living.
I don't agree with all the people who are totally outraged by outsourcing. The reality is you need to ensure that you are valuable. If you are not valuable you will not be employed. We can't have all the fruits of a successful market economy and turn around and bitch when people aren't being paid for something which can easily be shipped elsewhere for significantly cheaper. The bottom line is make yourself marketable. That is your obligation, not the government's.
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I am not sure some of you understand what kind of damage this particular board can do. First, this is a very very small community. In some cases there are as few as 100 students per class. In law school, much like high school, everybody know everybody. It is very easy to identify people, and many students know lots of students at some of the other schools. Everybody knows where everone else is working that summer, and who is dating whom. Also, a lot of you fail to realize how law firm hiring works. If you fall outside the 2L hiring system, you are essentially in serious trouble. It is very difficult to find a good large law firm job if you did not summer in your 2L summer. Trying to find a job as a 3L is exceptionally difficult, even if you go to an elite school. It is like a dented can in many ways. Imagine having 180k in debt and be completely outside of the hiring cycle because of the anonymous comments on a website. Particularly if you have spent most your adult life working towards that point and now you find yourself at the mercy of some kids that think their actions are funny.
Just to set the stage for how bizarre Florida is for politics. Janet Reno ran against Jeb. My brother took a picture with her at an appearance at the Florida-Miami game and he said she smelled like moth balls.
I spelled capitol wrong. Damn florida public schools!
Just so you all know, the capital building here is in the shape of a phallus. Just saying. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florida_State_Capitol
First, corporations in industry are always concerned about prior art. They always have been. Yes, patent litigation is built into the opportunity costs of what they are doing. However, to suggest that this so called behavior will ever grow to the point where it becomes a disincentive to innovate and sell products is completely off base. And yes, freedom to operate searches are expensive, but entirely feasible, particularly in niche industries. The solution to that problem is hire the right firm to do it, and have a product that is worth selling.
Interestingly your logic is precisely what is used to support the patent system. For example, most small bio-tech companies rely on their ability to patent their piece of IP in order to survive. The ability to obtain the negative right of a patent is their incentive to develop new technology. Otherwise, it would not be possible.
Let's take this a little further. Imagine the state of affairs if the recent 103 - obviousness case had made the space between inventions too wide, meaning making things too obvious. Large companies would love this. They could file all day long (e.g. IBM for example) while the small company can no longer obtain protection for their new developments which are typically in small fields.
Yet another step is to rid ourselves of this "horrible burden" and just allow everybody to compete. Well that is all well and good, but that would mean only the largest of corporations would survive. I don't think I need to spell out how leveraging certain industries operates. Further, our system of anti-trust laws are not designed to penalize you for being really good at what you do. So, in effect, market effeciency would kill the little guy and ibm and the like only get larger.
The fact of the matter is that a functioning patent system is piece of our market economy and in no way runs completely counter to a capital economy. Just because some sketchy issues have happened from the art units dealing with electrical devices and softare/business method patents does not mean the "whole system needs to be killed." The patent system is broken at the moment, but calling for its complete disassembly is nothing more than reactionary. I guess congress should just "disregard" that constitutional grant of power to protect the discoveries of inventors.
Indeed. I wrestled with the syntax for awhile. Ultimately I decided that it would be more effective to have a return type that was used for the branch condition. Can you send me a memo with really detailed UML diagrams? Yeah, and we are going to have to have you come in on Sunday too, mmmkay?
I just want to know if it can mix a good margarita. My machine broke.
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You are correct that it isn't the most complicated thing ever. However, it is just isn't practical as a desktop operating system and can be an extreme pain in the ass.
Not wanting to put my standing or knowledge in issue.... Suffice it to say I have a graduate degree in computer engineering and have extensive linux experience from the desktop environment all the way down the using uclinux for embedded devices. I've even written and modified a file system or two, and made my own kernels for small special purpose computers and embedded devices alike. So, I think I am qualified to speak on it being a pain in the ass.
The double-work does exist. It happens all the time. I can't stand inefficiency. HUMAN work-time inefficiency. Frankly, it is irritating. When you time is worth money and you don't have time to deal with the obtuse interface or the problems you and 150000 other people ran into at the same time it sucks. It doesn't happen for me but it happens for others, and sometimes having to research to make something work is a tremendous waste of time.
You are right. Some people don't know the tools. That is they point. Eff the tools. Make it work. Make it turn on and do the same thing that my laptop that I am typing on right now does. It just doesn't do that. Make it transparent.
Different distributions have different strengths and weaknesses. Package installation is not one of Fedora's strengths, and never has been. For that, the title goes to Debian and its derivatives (Ubuntu, in particular). So because your mission is different, I think you might do well to look at a different distribution, like Ubuntu.
Dude. That is his point. There shouldn't be mission level granularity. It should just work for some things. I have had similar experiences and I only use linux for development or web-based applications. As far as using it for desktop, forget it. People have jobs, families, wives and girlfriends. Linux is the biggest double-work creation system in the world. Think of all the times people are recreating the exact same problems nearly simultaneously. There is energy being lost to the universe. Some day that will change, but it doesn't appear to be any time soon.
We have them all over in all the new bathrooms at our law school. It smells HORRIBLE. Honestly. I have not yet met somebody that doesn't think it is the worst thing ever. All the bathrooms are super extra disgusting.
I am currently finishing my first year of law school, and I can tell you that internet is definately a huge issue. We have a school policy against internet usage, and a number of students in family law in the spring got the hammer dropped on them for being in an AOL chat room. Between instant messanging and web browsing, I would definatley say that it affects peoples ability to pay attention. But, I personally think that the students who are using the internet to distract themselves are the same students that would have distracted themselves in some other way back in the day. The issue is big enough that it is basically the first thing they talk to you about with respect to class, and they repeat it like 50 times during "introduction to the profession" which happens just before you start school. One of the other major issues is that the classrooms have the exact number of seats for the number of students we have, so basically there is the potential to be distracting to OTHER students as well....
What if you are passionate about porsches. I happen to be.
What if you put yourself through a number of years of school so that you can do porsche club racing. It just happens to be an expensive hobby. I don't agree that you can dismiss the integration of money and passion so easily. Not everybody wants to make a lot of money so they can swing their dick around. Some people want to have certain experiences that require significant amounts of money.
What if you like to travel? What if you like sailing? What if you like giving money to charity?
Getting in a top-tier law school isn't really that bad. I just started school this year. I would say though that having an engineering degree EE or CE would be better. Even though you can sit for the PTO exam, many of the jobs I have seen seem to ask specifically for EE or CE.
Yeah. Well for a lot of linux freaks in college IBM wants them to move to bumfuss NY. I said no. Pickusee (spelling) is not my idea of a good time. Nor did I want to finish my M.S. at rotchester (spelling again). They are trying to do exactly what you are saying. I didn't feel it. I am out of engineering now for various reasons. I would have loved to make a good living doing linux development/extension but IBM is a corp. Don't turn your back a monster like them.
Referring to anyone as "the kind of people" makes you look like a douchebag. You are the tart cart conspiracy theorist talking about the CEO of Diebold. Go get a new tin foil hat and learn to lose with some dignity.
File Systems work particularly well in certain application environments. A good example being ReiserFS. The only way this could be the last word is if somehow it was the best for all the current known ways in which computing can be applied and that no more will be found. This would be like being a FileSystem yes man. At this point I get modded down.... Which is more or less just like one of the current candidates for President.
South Korea is the size of my garage.
This is horribly retarded, and another example of why I am attending law school. We already have myriad name resolution services for the Internet. I don't get it. Bringing the legal system kicking and screaming into technology awareness is akin to Peter the Great dragging Russia into the modern world. Some day unfounded patent infringement claims and misguided computer technology legal decisions will be a thing of the past (or at least that is what I hope). At least this is only temporary; hopefully a more informed permanent decision will be made. Meh.
Meh. That is a load of garbage. If you know what you are doing and you have a degree from a good school, you will get a job. I have had no problem finding employment ever, even while being in school during the last few years. In fact, I am current working at a temporary summer position making ~45k/year as computed using the hourly wage they are paying me at 40hrs/week. I have one semester left before receiving my master's degree. All of my friends that graduated last semester found employment. Most had many offers. The reality is most of the cert. only people are not worth anything. How could you ever think a certification is even close to earning a quality degree from a good school? The guy that has that degree destroyed the cert. guy in high school academically, and that is why they went to the quality university.
I also agree with this. I wasn't placing blame on schummy in particular with that statement. The failure of other teams is certainly the issue at hand. As a result of this failure, ferrari/schummy dominate. It makes it boring to watch for me. It just isn't as cool as it used to be.
I am not really much of a formula one fan due in large part to schummy's dominance. Formula one has always been a competitive racing series, but with the cars the way they are there is very little passing, save for the first lap. I typically will watch the first few laps, decide they are running way faster than I have ever come close to in my road course driving and switch the channel. I don't even bother watching the end of the race because it is essentially scripted.
I wish could back to the old days when ayrton senna and jean alesi were around. Formula one has been a great racing series for long time, but the schummy thing is definately making me turn away.
How did this idea become so pervasive in the first place? This is like the south park episode with the eat through your ass and defecate through your mouth idea.
Eclipse http://www.eclipse.org does something akin to what you describe. I am not sure if it will work for anything except java. Check it out.
Some of the commentary indicates that american students are lazy etc.... This to a degree is true. However, this year and the previous year I didn't have the opportunity to go on spring break because of school related projects and work related software I am developing. Further more, at least 80% of the foreign students in our department are HORRIBLY lazy. The code they produce is absolutely horrible. As an example I just finished my Distributed OS project using a test framework that didn't introduce race condtions because it just IS a race condition. This is what I have observed having had many foreign students as follow students. There is also a known culture of collaboration among foreign students. So much so that I think 8 or 10 students were nailed for excessive collaboration (ie copying of code) on one of my recent compiler projects. The idea here is that foreign students are not always above and beyond american students, and in some cases they are weaker in integrity and talent. This is neither the rule, nor the exception. It just is in some cases.
.NET database applications. The remainder of the software will be outsourced. I have given up. People in this industry are just under trained, lack sufficient talent, and in some cases speak unintelligible english. This means that if you take an engineering job you will working right next to the kid you couldn't handle answering questions for in school, but now you have to do it for a living.
I think people need to realize that there are talented american engineers (ie not programmers) in our universities around the country. I say, take the top N american born engineers and place them next to the top N foreign engineers at american unversities and I guarantee the americans will be more competent. I am tired of answering the same questions over and over again as posed by the foreign students in my Programming Language Principles class. These kids just hack and hack for hours on end until they get something that works. They aren't any more talented, they just beat every problem into submission and get something that kinda sorta works. What does this mean for the state of software? It means it is going to be just as horrible as it has always been, and maybe worse. The most talented american students are leaving the industry, like me. The remaining american engineers will be left working on military software and lifeless
I don't agree with all the people who are totally outraged by outsourcing. The reality is you need to ensure that you are valuable. If you are not valuable you will not be employed. We can't have all the fruits of a successful market economy and turn around and bitch when people aren't being paid for something which can easily be shipped elsewhere for significantly cheaper. The bottom line is make yourself marketable. That is your obligation, not the government's.