No mullett here, I'm all redneck!
Of course I am a redneck with leather interior, bose audio package, power sunroof and close to 300hp w/o the Nitrous Oxide boost.:-)
I looooove Honda Civics with the big wing who think they are fast.;-)
Most, not all but MOST, Europeans have no idea how LARGE the United States really is. I've seen even well education Englishman come away awe struck at the size of our country when all they did was visit the east coast and the southern US!
Our country is AWESOMELY large and outside of the coastal areas our population density is fairly low. For instance in Wyoming, where I live, the population density is 13.13 per square kilometer. The state of Nebraska, a next door neighbor, is 25.2 per square kilomter.
For contrast the UK is roughly **242** per square kilometer! France is at 107, Germany 235 and Italy 195!
Now that you can see the difference in population density it is not difficult to understand why many Americans do not have Mass Transit as an option, it is simply not economically feasible to provide them with it.
In all while most of the civilized world bashes on us for our "Car Centric Culture" they are failing to understand the challenges presented to our population by the sheer scale of our landmass.
You can drive across most countries in Europe in less time then it would take me to cross the State of Nebraska!
As for morons driving SUV's in the city, they should be beaten with large sticks.
Believe it or not I've seen this issue hit NON dual booting users as well. In my office even.
If you would pull your head out and look around you would see that there are at least a couple of different problems here. Only ONE of which impacts dual booters.
The other ones are impacting ALL users, regardles of how many or what types of distros are being used.
One hard drive, two hard drives, one os, two os, it makes no difference if parted jacks your patition table up and puts it on blocks.
The FC2 starts rearranging the BIOS settings for your drives so they aren't in the table correctly anymore.
In the end we were able to solve the problem by turning off LBA, but I don't know if that will work for everyone.
I did not ask them to support my "proprietary os", I _expected_ them to release a distro that actually installed and ran on the same hardware that FC1 did.
So did the other "flipperhead" in my office who is NOT dual booting and had the same problem. This issue is NOT confined to dual booters, so pull your head out.
This machine has also run Suse 9.0, Suse 9.1, Knoppix 3.2 - 3.4, RH8 & 9 and a few others without ANY problems. At all.
After the fact I find out there has been ongoing issues with this since test 1 that apparently no one bothered to fix. If there is a kernel issue with 2.6.5-x that prevents it from booting a chunk of the time don't you feel it should have been fixed before release?
The simple point I was trying to make was that a Microsoft installation with the same problem would have landed him in the same place. Microsoft would not have fixed it for him, instead referring him back to the hardware vendor for support.So why is this suddenly a "Linux" problem instead of a HW vendor problem?
At the same time I was reaching for the more subtle point that OS support is just that, OS support. It is only because of our current monolithic OS culture that many people have to come to view the OS as including driver files to support hardware.
This simply is not factual and by treating it like it is our intrepid "journalist" is showing why he should not be doing technical reviews.
Where was he when have the stuff on the HCL for NT4 / 2K didn't work and what was his opinion when that shoe was on the Microsoft foot?
Your juvenile attempts at humour not withstanding this is starting to look like a major problem. I'm watching the bug reports pile in this morning as people try to install.
Two of us in my office installed FC2 this morning and we were both greeted with GRUB's CLI on reboot after install completion.
Mine is a dual boot Win2K / FC1 (now FC2) and his was a strictly FC1 installation. We both are using two drives and for both of us the drives were erased prior to installation, with the exception of my Win2k install obviously.
The problem is that no matter WHAT you set your BIOS to, or what it autodetects, somehow FC2 is changing the BIOS entries to read 528...the old DOS limit. Which puts grub.conf as well as everything else out of reach of GRUB!
My attempts at manually overriding the geometry translation using GRUB's geometry command have led to frustation since GRUB stubbornly refuses to allow me to set it beyond it's stupid, and false, BIOS translation.
Neither of us had any problems with these boxes before installing FC2 and I am will to bet $1000 if I pull FC2 off and re-install FC1 it will go away.
They should have WARNED people that this was a problem. This was sloppy sloppy work and FC2 was obviously not ready for prime time release yet.
Check your history, over 10,000 Germanic Citizens of this country were detained during WWII and some of them were not released for YEARS after the war was officially over.
It wasn't just Japanese and Germans either, Italian Americans were detained as well though I don't know what their numbers were right off the top of my head.
When I am FORCED to call my ISP with issues I lie when they ask me about a firewall and tell them I don't have one.
One too many times I've gotten the "we don't support firewalled installations" or "the problem must be with your firewall" speeches from some level 1 tech monkey who either doesn't know or can't tell me that one of their routers is down.
I'm not bashing on you, I'm just pointing out a reason that your numbers could very well be low.
Another reason is that a LOT of people may not realize that the little blue Linksys box they bought to get "more than one computer at a time" onto the Internet also has a firewall in it.
If you have been a sysadmin since 1994 and still don't believe that most networks need firewalls I am amazed you still have a job and I think MOST of our peers would agree with me.
As for your "poor excuses for operating systems" crack you realize that includes most distros of *nix as well right, otherwise why would devel work continue on IPTables and why was IPChains ever built? Vulnerabilities based on port / service are nothing new and firewalls are one layer in the ESTABLISHED best practice for mitigating the risk of intrustion.
If you don't subscribe to a layered security model then there is nothing for you and I to discuss because frankly you are as big an ignoramus as the first guys friend.
I would expect people to know a firewall because they are mentioned in almost EVERY statement from all A/V vendors plus Microsoft itself. The fact that you should be using a firewall is almost being shouted from the rooftops.
Changing the oil in your car is blidingly obvious but it isn't done by default. Locking your doors at night is blindingly obvious but it isn't done by default.
They WILL be turned on by default in future releases by MS and SP2 will enable them in XP for you,but watch the screaming from users when this happens and their favorite file sharing program stops working.
I apologize in advance for the bashing I am going to do but I just have to respond to this.;-)
1) Simple hardware based firewalls are $29 new at Office Max and around $10 used on Ebay, what is your "friend" doing on the Internet without one? Your "friend" is a sloppy Windows user who gets no damn sympathy from me. If in the year 2004 you are a computer user who hasn't heard the message that you need a firewall you need to pull your head out of some orifice or another.
2) Since they are such a tightwad that they can't part with $30 to be a responsible computer user they should at least take the initiative to turn on the freaking firewall that is BUILT IN to Windows XP. It is really really simple, even someone whose skull is stuffed with old rags should be able to handle it.
Type "firewall" into the help & support dialog on a windows XP box and see what you get. (Hint to you are and your friend, it is the VERY first thing that comes up!)
3) Patching an install CD while involved is not difficult, do a google search on "Slipstreaming" and you too can amaze your friends.
I have never ever in 10 years in the industry had a machine compromised while I was setting it up, and anyone who has was either unprepared, ignorant or just plain stupid.
I hate to disagree with you, but I am going to.;-)
I care and I _still_ don't know the basic differences between Debian, Fedora, Gentoo, SuSe, Mandrake, Slackware, et cetera.
The main reason is that I can't seem to find a site that lays out those differences in any meaningful way AND I simply do not have the time to install 12 different distros and become technically familiar with each one.
Right now I am running a mix of SuSe and FC1 and exploring the differences between them as a relatively new *nix user.
I wish more technically proficient people would review the various distributions with write-ups geared toward the new but technically bent user.
I've got at LEAST a half a dozen devices INCLUDING a Soundblaster Live Value and an Astra scanner that worked beautifully under Win98 and Win2K that either didn't work at all or worked only with hacks under Windows XP.
By his logic this proves that Windows XP has a mighty achilles heal!
"So your average backyard tinkerer has less chance to fix his own vehicle, so what (and besides this is BS, look at the import racing scene where kids are able to modify the heck out of these computer filled cars)."
I am curious how old you are since the above was spoken like someone with no mechanical ability who pays out the nose to have everything fixed or someone with no responsibility to maintain a vehicle.
Americans have been repairing their own vehicles for many years, and in a lot of cases it is MUCH cheaper to repair your own then to pay someone else.
For instance when the transmission in my wife's Ford Explorer snapped it's output shaft the Ford dealer wanted well over $1200 US to repair it.
I purchased the parts and repaired it myself for less then $500, when you are raising a family and everything happens on a budget that $700 difference is means I could afford to buy a new stove for my kitchen as well as replace the leaking water heater.
As for your crack at the "ricers" for modifying their vehicles, well, it is obvious that you don't have any hobbies requiring you to manipulate anything beyond what it was originally manufactured for.
You don't overclock anything do you? Do you use a "surge strip" or an "extension cord" to modify the number of electrical outlets available to you?
Let me guess, you haven't checked your amperage draw to make sure that the inwall wiring is rated for such current have you?
Oooops. Let those who are perfect cast the first stone...
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How about the French and their escepade into Africa last summer? Oh wait, we don't talk about that one...
No mullett here, I'm all redneck! Of course I am a redneck with leather interior, bose audio package, power sunroof and close to 300hp w/o the Nitrous Oxide boost. :-)
I looooove Honda Civics with the big wing who think they are fast. ;-)
I have a 2001 Pontiac Grand Prix GTP. 2 door supercharged 3.8L V6.
:-)
I get around 17mph in the City, 32 in hilly two lane and 38 on flat Interstate.
EPA rated as...
18 / 28
So I am doing good, especially with the cold air intake, 3.4" Supercharger pulley and bottle of giggle gas.
Nicely done, I appreciate the clarity of your post.
Much like U.S. Soldiers running prison camps?
Right On!
Bingo!
Most, not all but MOST, Europeans have no idea how LARGE the United States really is. I've seen even well education Englishman come away awe struck at the size of our country when all they did was visit the east coast and the southern US!
Our country is AWESOMELY large and outside of the coastal areas our population density is fairly low. For instance in Wyoming, where I live, the population density is 13.13 per square kilometer. The state of Nebraska, a next door neighbor, is 25.2 per square kilomter.
For contrast the UK is roughly **242** per square kilometer! France is at 107, Germany 235 and Italy 195!
Now that you can see the difference in population density it is not difficult to understand why many Americans do not have Mass Transit as an option, it is simply not economically feasible to provide them with it.
In all while most of the civilized world bashes on us for our "Car Centric Culture" they are failing to understand the challenges presented to our population by the sheer scale of our landmass.
You can drive across most countries in Europe in less time then it would take me to cross the State of Nebraska!
As for morons driving SUV's in the city, they should be beaten with large sticks.
I have two machines where I can reproduce the non-booting problem at will. Thank you for the link, I will send it on.
Believe it or not I've seen this issue hit NON dual booting users as well. In my office even.
If you would pull your head out and look around you would see that there are at least a couple of different problems here. Only ONE of which impacts dual booters.
The other ones are impacting ALL users, regardles of how many or what types of distros are being used.
One hard drive, two hard drives, one os, two os, it makes no difference if parted jacks your patition table up and puts it on blocks.
The FC2 starts rearranging the BIOS settings for your drives so they aren't in the table correctly anymore.
In the end we were able to solve the problem by turning off LBA, but I don't know if that will work for everyone.
Turn off LBA for your drive. I have seen this correct the problem with the release version.
It may be too late for your Windows partition though. The FC2 install hammered my Win2K into obvlivion.
Although I intensely dislike Richard Stallman this type of action on the part of SCO calls for a reponse.
Done! (I joined)
Interesting...
Follow the money and go after the revenue, who woulda thunk such a plan could work!
I did not ask them to support my "proprietary os", I _expected_ them to release a distro that actually installed and ran on the same hardware that FC1 did.
So did the other "flipperhead" in my office who is NOT dual booting and had the same problem. This issue is NOT confined to dual booters, so pull your head out.
This machine has also run Suse 9.0, Suse 9.1, Knoppix 3.2 - 3.4, RH8 & 9 and a few others without ANY problems. At all.
After the fact I find out there has been ongoing issues with this since test 1 that apparently no one bothered to fix. If there is a kernel issue with 2.6.5-x that prevents it from booting a chunk of the time don't you feel it should have been fixed before release?
Please tell me where my expectations went awry?
The simple point I was trying to make was that a Microsoft installation with the same problem would have landed him in the same place. Microsoft would not have fixed it for him, instead referring him back to the hardware vendor for support.So why is this suddenly a "Linux" problem instead of a HW vendor problem?
At the same time I was reaching for the more subtle point that OS support is just that, OS support. It is only because of our current monolithic OS culture that many people have to come to view the OS as including driver files to support hardware.
This simply is not factual and by treating it like it is our intrepid "journalist" is showing why he should not be doing technical reviews.
Where was he when have the stuff on the HCL for NT4 / 2K didn't work and what was his opinion when that shoe was on the Microsoft foot?
Your juvenile attempts at humour not withstanding this is starting to look like a major problem. I'm watching the bug reports pile in this morning as people try to install.
Two of us in my office installed FC2 this morning and we were both greeted with GRUB's CLI on reboot after install completion.
Mine is a dual boot Win2K / FC1 (now FC2) and his was a strictly FC1 installation. We both are using two drives and for both of us the drives were erased prior to installation, with the exception of my Win2k install obviously.
The problem is that no matter WHAT you set your BIOS to, or what it autodetects, somehow FC2 is changing the BIOS entries to read 528...the old DOS limit. Which puts grub.conf as well as everything else out of reach of GRUB!
My attempts at manually overriding the geometry translation using GRUB's geometry command have led to frustation since GRUB stubbornly refuses to allow me to set it beyond it's stupid, and false, BIOS translation.
Neither of us had any problems with these boxes before installing FC2 and I am will to bet $1000 if I pull FC2 off and re-install FC1 it will go away.
They should have WARNED people that this was a problem. This was sloppy sloppy work and FC2 was obviously not ready for prime time release yet.
What would Microsoft have done for him that his *nix vendor didn't?
Think about that.
Check your history, over 10,000 Germanic Citizens of this country were detained during WWII and some of them were not released for YEARS after the war was officially over. It wasn't just Japanese and Germans either, Italian Americans were detained as well though I don't know what their numbers were right off the top of my head.
When I am FORCED to call my ISP with issues I lie when they ask me about a firewall and tell them I don't have one.
One too many times I've gotten the "we don't support firewalled installations" or "the problem must be with your firewall" speeches from some level 1 tech monkey who either doesn't know or can't tell me that one of their routers is down.
I'm not bashing on you, I'm just pointing out a reason that your numbers could very well be low.
Another reason is that a LOT of people may not realize that the little blue Linksys box they bought to get "more than one computer at a time" onto the Internet also has a firewall in it.
If you have been a sysadmin since 1994 and still don't believe that most networks need firewalls I am amazed you still have a job and I think MOST of our peers would agree with me. As for your "poor excuses for operating systems" crack you realize that includes most distros of *nix as well right, otherwise why would devel work continue on IPTables and why was IPChains ever built? Vulnerabilities based on port / service are nothing new and firewalls are one layer in the ESTABLISHED best practice for mitigating the risk of intrustion. If you don't subscribe to a layered security model then there is nothing for you and I to discuss because frankly you are as big an ignoramus as the first guys friend. I would expect people to know a firewall because they are mentioned in almost EVERY statement from all A/V vendors plus Microsoft itself. The fact that you should be using a firewall is almost being shouted from the rooftops. Changing the oil in your car is blidingly obvious but it isn't done by default. Locking your doors at night is blindingly obvious but it isn't done by default. They WILL be turned on by default in future releases by MS and SP2 will enable them in XP for you,but watch the screaming from users when this happens and their favorite file sharing program stops working.
I apologize in advance for the bashing I am going to do but I just have to respond to this. ;-)
1) Simple hardware based firewalls are $29 new at Office Max and around $10 used on Ebay, what is your "friend" doing on the Internet without one? Your "friend" is a sloppy Windows user who gets no damn sympathy from me. If in the year 2004 you are a computer user who hasn't heard the message that you need a firewall you need to pull your head out of some orifice or another.
2) Since they are such a tightwad that they can't part with $30 to be a responsible computer user they should at least take the initiative to turn on the freaking firewall that is BUILT IN to Windows XP. It is really really simple, even someone whose skull is stuffed with old rags should be able to handle it.
Type "firewall" into the help & support dialog on a windows XP box and see what you get. (Hint to you are and your friend, it is the VERY first thing that comes up!)
3) Patching an install CD while involved is not difficult, do a google search on "Slipstreaming" and you too can amaze your friends.
I have never ever in 10 years in the industry had a machine compromised while I was setting it up, and anyone who has was either unprepared, ignorant or just plain stupid.
I hate to disagree with you, but I am going to. ;-)
I care and I _still_ don't know the basic differences between Debian, Fedora, Gentoo, SuSe, Mandrake, Slackware, et cetera.
The main reason is that I can't seem to find a site that lays out those differences in any meaningful way AND I simply do not have the time to install 12 different distros and become technically familiar with each one.
Right now I am running a mix of SuSe and FC1 and exploring the differences between them as a relatively new *nix user.
I wish more technically proficient people would review the various distributions with write-ups geared toward the new but technically bent user.
Hey, I'm in Wyoming! Stay out of my pond you UberGeeks! ;-)
I've got at LEAST a half a dozen devices INCLUDING a Soundblaster Live Value and an Astra scanner that worked beautifully under Win98 and Win2K that either didn't work at all or worked only with hacks under Windows XP.
By his logic this proves that Windows XP has a mighty achilles heal!
"So your average backyard tinkerer has less chance to fix his own vehicle, so what (and besides this is BS, look at the import racing scene where kids are able to modify the heck out of these computer filled cars)."
I am curious how old you are since the above was spoken like someone with no mechanical ability who pays out the nose to have everything fixed or someone with no responsibility to maintain a vehicle.
Americans have been repairing their own vehicles for many years, and in a lot of cases it is MUCH cheaper to repair your own then to pay someone else.
For instance when the transmission in my wife's Ford Explorer snapped it's output shaft the Ford dealer wanted well over $1200 US to repair it.
I purchased the parts and repaired it myself for less then $500, when you are raising a family and everything happens on a budget that $700 difference is means I could afford to buy a new stove for my kitchen as well as replace the leaking water heater.
As for your crack at the "ricers" for modifying their vehicles, well, it is obvious that you don't have any hobbies requiring you to manipulate anything beyond what it was originally manufactured for.
You don't overclock anything do you? Do you use a "surge strip" or an "extension cord" to modify the number of electrical outlets available to you?
Let me guess, you haven't checked your amperage draw to make sure that the inwall wiring is rated for such current have you?
Oooops. Let those who are perfect cast the first stone...
I'm pretty new to *nix, but I have often wondered WHY this hasn't been done!