As a former shop manager I totally agree with you. I used to get this a lot especally with mobile phones where people 'expect' a discount.
But, I would also remeber those people who tried to barter down and certainly wouldn't give them the same level of service when they came back to the shop with queries. 10 -15% less customer service next time you come into my shop asking for help or my time and expertise. I think that is fair, no?
Of course I may have just told you to piss-off:P
...or continuing your theme, is he going to launch a new career as a self professed expert on the speaker circuit? Something along the lines of those 'learn how to become a millionaire in the property market', or 'let me teach you to play the stock market and win!!' cons.
If truly sorry then one would imagine he'd get a proper job working for spamhaus or trying to actually contribute something back.
erm, yes it does (and I only installed Firefox this morning). You need the Flash plugin from here: http://www.macromedia.com/shockwave/download/downl oad.cgi?P1_Prod_Version=ShockwaveFlash
Admittedly, it takes a minute to install, but then that's probably the amount of time it took to write your post and is much less a waste of time.
In the UK (don't know about the rest of the World) that goes "No Shit, Sherlock", from Sir Arthur Conan-Doyle's fictional detective.
It roughly translates as "Thanks so much for pointing out the completely fucking obvious".:)
On the other hand she infers that people go straight from helpdesk roles into sys admin roles. Having previously been on the wrong side of the employment market, I don't think this is necessarily the case, and would ask, what are the interim steps that people have, or could, take between the two.
Finding the middle ground (somewhere around 2-3 years experience) is not that easy.
Not just won't fit, but probably dubious quality. Having spent some time working (as engineer not musician) in a studio and having compared results of desk feed mixes to multi-track recorded/post-produced polished efforts I'd rather wait until a proper release.
Of course if you listen to the sort of band that isn't going to release a gig CD after the event then yeah go for it, (but I'd rather take my mini-disk recorder):)
I don't get this making policy for the majority argument which Valenti's hiding behind. Maybe because I see a majority as actually wanting something, rather not caring about something else.
If 283,009,000 were lobbying hard against the 1000 engineers then ok. fair enough. He's not making policy for the majority but against a minority, and I'm sorry but it isn't even a subtle difference.
Good modding. well done. This is not a troll but a case in fact and an alternate point of view which happens to go against the grain of 90% of the other comments here. I can't help that. I have a degree, but i didn't get a massive chip on my shoulder with mine, that's all.
I'm certainly in the minority here, but we actually prefer people who don't have degrees (and we're also hiring like mad).
Now I'm quite prepared to accept that there are cultural differences betwwen university in the US and our universities in the UK, but excuse me for saying, that someone who spends 4 years at university getting a piece of paper to tell themselves how bright they are is far less the sort of person we want than someone who got off their ass, maybe travelled a bit, took a year out thinking what they'd like to do. Did some really crappy jobs and got some life experience.
Sure, we're also talking about different disciplines (programming as opposed to projects and alround ability), but we tend to employ on personal skills rather than academic achievement.
A lot of applications we get from degree holders tend to be "I have a degree, so you owe me a job". Yeah? well, come back when you've lost the attitude and we'll talk about it.:-)
In the UK my experience is that cars are already disposable to a great extent. I don't know why but even the tiniest shunt (ie bent bonnet and dented wing) will deem your car an insurance write off.
Call me cynical, but they get away with devaluing your car so much when they estimate its insurance value ("What? A dog pee'd on the hub-cap 6 years ago? that makes it worth another $1000 less. Next!"), that I guess it is cheaper for them to write off than repair.
I agree that whether or not it actually happens, the increased coverage in the media is certainly having a positive impact.
Heck, this year I get to go to the Linux Users & Developers conference in London next week as a 'work' day rather than having to use a days holiday to attend.
great. living in London, UK I had to use normal google to find the most eastern point of the US so that I can enter my nearest location (turns out to be West Quoddy Head, Maine btw).
So now I've got my location sorted I can get a McD's approx 2979 miles away... oh joy
"far below the high journalistic standards the BBC have set in the past"
Which high standards?... after a week where the Chairman and the Director General have had to quite over the Hutton report, citing: "Lord Hutton also criticised the management of the BBC saying it failed to check the details of Mr Gilligan's story as soon as the government complained that it had raised grave charges against them.
Why did Gavyn Davies and Greg Dyke resign?
Gavyn Davies was the chairman of the BBC's board of governors. The body has 12 members who oversee the BBC and appoint the director general.
Mr Davies was the first member of the corporation to resign after Lord Hutton's report criticised the governors for not investigating the government's complaints about Andrew Gilligan's story themselves, relying instead on the word of the BBC's management.
Mr Davies' resignation was followed the next day by that of the director general, Greg Dyke.
As director general Mr Dyke was ultimately responsible for all the BBC's output.
He stepped down saying: "If in the end you screw up, you have to go." He also spoke of his hope that his resignation would draw a line under whole affair."
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As a former shop manager I totally agree with you. I used to get this a lot especally with mobile phones where people 'expect' a discount. But, I would also remeber those people who tried to barter down and certainly wouldn't give them the same level of service when they came back to the shop with queries. 10 -15% less customer service next time you come into my shop asking for help or my time and expertise. I think that is fair, no? Of course I may have just told you to piss-off :P
...or continuing your theme, is he going to launch a new career as a self professed expert on the speaker circuit? Something along the lines of those 'learn how to become a millionaire in the property market', or 'let me teach you to play the stock market and win!!' cons.
If truly sorry then one would imagine he'd get a proper job working for spamhaus or trying to actually contribute something back.
Admittedly, it takes a minute to install, but then that's probably the amount of time it took to write your post and is much less a waste of time.
In the UK (don't know about the rest of the World) that goes "No Shit, Sherlock", from Sir Arthur Conan-Doyle's fictional detective. It roughly translates as "Thanks so much for pointing out the completely fucking obvious". :)
On the other hand she infers that people go straight from helpdesk roles into sys admin roles. Having previously been on the wrong side of the employment market, I don't think this is necessarily the case, and would ask, what are the interim steps that people have, or could, take between the two. Finding the middle ground (somewhere around 2-3 years experience) is not that easy.
Hey. I am a red-headed step child you insensitive clod! ...and I use linux :-)
This was reported in the main daily nationals here (in the UK) yesterday... and yes it is too bloody expensive :)
Of course if you listen to the sort of band that isn't going to release a gig CD after the event then yeah go for it, (but I'd rather take my mini-disk recorder) :)
I don't get this making policy for the majority argument which Valenti's hiding behind. Maybe because I see a majority as actually wanting something, rather not caring about something else. If 283,009,000 were lobbying hard against the 1000 engineers then ok. fair enough. He's not making policy for the majority but against a minority, and I'm sorry but it isn't even a subtle difference.
Just let it go
Now I'm quite prepared to accept that there are cultural differences betwwen university in the US and our universities in the UK, but excuse me for saying, that someone who spends 4 years at university getting a piece of paper to tell themselves how bright they are is far less the sort of person we want than someone who got off their ass, maybe travelled a bit, took a year out thinking what they'd like to do. Did some really crappy jobs and got some life experience.
Sure, we're also talking about different disciplines (programming as opposed to projects and alround ability), but we tend to employ on personal skills rather than academic achievement.
A lot of applications we get from degree holders tend to be "I have a degree, so you owe me a job". Yeah? well, come back when you've lost the attitude and we'll talk about it. :-)
Call me cynical, but they get away with devaluing your car so much when they estimate its insurance value ("What? A dog pee'd on the hub-cap 6 years ago? that makes it worth another $1000 less. Next!"), that I guess it is cheaper for them to write off than repair.
Heck, this year I get to go to the Linux Users & Developers conference in London next week as a 'work' day rather than having to use a days holiday to attend.
so do I... and I don't know any programming languages
google. bomb.
I don't mean to sound dense but the attraction of slashdot and the reason we sit here all day is that it is just one big feedback channel, isn't it?
So now I've got my location sorted I can get a McD's approx 2979 miles away... oh joy
"far below the high journalistic standards the BBC have set in the past"
Which high standards?... after a week where the Chairman and the Director General have had to quite over the Hutton report, citing:
"Lord Hutton also criticised the management of the BBC saying it failed to check the details of Mr Gilligan's story as soon as the government complained that it had raised grave charges against them.
Why did Gavyn Davies and Greg Dyke resign?
Gavyn Davies was the chairman of the BBC's board of governors. The body has 12 members who oversee the BBC and appoint the director general.
Mr Davies was the first member of the corporation to resign after Lord Hutton's report criticised the governors for not investigating the government's complaints about Andrew Gilligan's story themselves, relying instead on the word of the BBC's management.
Mr Davies' resignation was followed the next day by that of the director general, Greg Dyke.
As director general Mr Dyke was ultimately responsible for all the BBC's output.
He stepped down saying: "If in the end you screw up, you have to go." He also spoke of his hope that his resignation would draw a line under whole affair."
Read the rest here
Wow, so what you do for a hand grenade through your front door? Grimace menacingly?
Surely we bend over and he f*cks... oh never mind... Guess we never covered that in Biology class either