"And do you know how often someone complained to us that they couldn't access their course using firefox? Never. Not once. You know why?"
yup, too lazy;)
Remember it takes a few minutes to tell you it looks funny, it takes a few seconds to poke an X then poke a big blue E.
Sorry it was simpler to just close FF and open IE especially when the class time is in a few minutes. By the end of course, noone remembers to complain...:(
Most FF user will have ran across this accessing their bank or something somewhere and know to try the 'other one'
The fact that noone complained simply means that noone complained;)
Could one jam/interfer with it enough if they had a rough idea of when? Sounds MUCH easier than pegging the millisecond to inject yours.
Interfer enough so data is unusable, then they have to resend. Repeat as much as possible. Isn't having multiple versions of secret data floating around a bad thing?
Sure, I'll know i didn't get all the legit email when someone asks me why i wasn't at our 25-year reunion:(
Sorry that really isn't the way I want it to work.
(that was my filtering, but on criteria likely to be used elsewhere...luckily my work ISP doesn't dump anything themselves)
My home ISP is annoying enough with dumping attachments, quarantining pictures (interesting way to combat spam tho, you never hit their server for the pic to confirm receipt) but i think they let them all thru. Oddly enough my home ISP is mostly techies/gamer/business VERY few Average Joes on it.
Other than the slight bias in the posting.....at least one of the tagging keywords is biased;)
How many machines is this? They mention $40k, is that to check 4 machines or 40,000 machines. Makes a slight difference in whether the charge is reasonable. Can certainly see diebold point here, i wouldn't certify the machines when you let someone tinker with em.
It said he was suspicious of the memory, so he can see if anything changes between the original, after blackbox, and after double checking by diebold i hope:) Nothing better change between ANY of those;)
Our $900 point of sale terminal prints a receipt, don't get why this is sooo hard to get voting terminals to do it when they cost $27,000,000 / x. Then a test run would be simple and not require any tinkering it seems.
ok, i am done reading article someone else can go read it now.
hehe, nearly slashdotted already with 1 comment showing:(
Actually kinda curious as our web host kinda sucks for email, probably for site too but i got the domain for the mail:) Don't know how MX works, does it go to the web host first to find address. That probably wouldn't help us much.
Yes they SHOULD learn on WinXP with Office 2003 since thats what the world uses. But how many of those will come with that and how many of those have clear licenses or disks? Not enough certainly.
Many donated boxes would be win98 i imagine. How do you know those are legit installs, many 98 installs arent. What are the odds of donated machines coming with the orig doc and licenses?
Are they going to be used together and/or would all having the same system be better for training? I could see many cases where having linux/win98/win2000/winxp together could be bad (or good for demo if you like the extra work of getting many dif systems to function;)
It would seem that finding a linux distro is the only useable answer (unless there is a way to get a bulk win98 license or something). If they are going to be given to people never to be seen again, maybe the original system would be ok.
--- Not quite sure on the non-transferable issue you mention, never seen that. If i give you my machine i can sure as hell leave it loaded. You can't reinstall OEM stuff on a new box(thus OEM!), is that the reference?
i got some little $40 nokia on a pay as you go plan. Same features not as pretty. I had no problem finding one last year and the refills last a year. $25 a year to keep it active is all.
Unfortunately the one you linked is not available for purchase at their store.
Only in stores Available from: Centennial Wireless Cincinnati Bell
Don't know WTF is Centennial Wireless and Cincinati Bell, but you can bet there ain't a store nearby.
Not so changed from tapes but i added enough CDs to my collection. I am not really into new music and have bought everything i wanted to buy from the back catalogs.
But, YES, i want CDs (or vinyl) not a file that can evaporate on a whim. And whoever said burn your downloads to CD should be shot, or they need a better HiFi than an Ipod!
So to sell me music they need to show me an EASY way to find AND sample new music.
The CC companies may be sending these to your rental properties in YOUR name! They won't mind issuing you a card AND one in your renter's name...and send both to the rental address............
Even if you have nice honest renters, you want to place a bet on them bothering to shred them for you 1st ?!?
Especially bad is if the renter works/used to work for you as they had access to SS number etc. At least we made $10k flipping her house she was about to default on for our trouble.
As someone into vintage stereos and computers i am pretty sure i don't want to know
I would bet the 160w stereo sucks closer to 1000 at the plug there is a lot of excess heat, even more if i turn on the 2 EQs, the 8-track, and the 4-channel dobly box:)
Usually a TV on to see if anything is on and 2 computers running when i am home. At least there is no 24/7:)
I dont imagine the florescent bulbs quite compensate:(
Would be interesting to compare tohe 2 computers tho, 1 intel 2.4 and one AMD 2500+ that are almost identical.
My 1st retail game (for XT! in hercules mono graphics!) had a required play disk AND an ID the photo in the manual.
All this activation stuff sucks tho, what if you want to show your kids/grandkids what you used to play 20 years from now? Is that online activation still gonna work:(
Not that putting in the 5-1/4" key disk is much better but it DOES work.
The issue i just ran into is that i can't upgrade our little psuedo server without spending half again as much to replace the tape drive and a bunch of tapes.
New versions of windows simply decided for me that those old tape drives (floppy drive port or parallel port, neither works, had em both)
I simply wanted to use the backup program we already had and the tape drives we already had to backup a folder at night. I see no reason to buy a new 40G tape drive to backup a 200M folder each night and pull the tape out!
MS decided for me that i dont want to do that anymore:(
How much code could it take to support that old device for God's sake. They took it out to avoid bloat in windows ?!? Aren't you glad they left out that extra couple kilobytes of program to keep windows lean and mean for you;p
There is NO reason for it not to work, in fact it did eventually after installing every 3rd party driver that sounded remotely close to what i wanted and running the software a couple times under compatibilty mode. (ie, installing drivers for parallel cdrom to get tape to work, hehe)
----
even better, just thought of our previous accounting program.
One 'upgrade' added some new UI features, one of which was kinda nice. BUT it took out the ability to add custom icons on your custom toolbar buttons...thus the lookup for customer inquiry now gets the same icon as item inquiry instead of the easily identifiable ones i had made for previous versions:(
They made it easier to customize but harder to identify WHAT you had customized!
End of upgrade path for us. I knew they were just getting stupid now. When maintaince agreement stopped supporting it we stopped maint agreement. When company stopped support for it at all we stopped supporting the company.
They seem to have skipped that part. Do you get textbooks now electronically without paying an arm and a leg? Download or upload homework? Have to have it to use the music service you have to pay for with tuition?!?
They require a laptop and it integrates seamlessly with the wireless network on campus to......... ?
Seems like coming up with enough posts that won't get nuked by moderators (which forums allow blatant ads?) but somehow compel people to look might be tough. But hey, Anyone that can blow 62 million bucks with nothing to show for it can do anything i am sure:O
Oh well guess those employees finally have to DO something after all this time....
Funny thing is after all this, they have enough name recognition that it would probably sell itself if it's half as good as they think;p
Would it really count as a new version if i can run it my old hardware.
Have had almost no luck upgrading and version to the next. Even this box tho it would run XP would NOT be happy about it. It will not run XP+firewall+AV+terminalemulator without excessive lag (1.6GHz win98).
Isn't it coming out this year? One would hope you could build a machine to run it then!
Oh well, if these stupid online vendor pricing programs worked on something besides win/IE i'd be willing to try something but they dont:/
Discovering it takes a 2GHz computer now to successfully emululate a dumb terminal was just depressing for the future:(
Been playing Asheron's Call for 6 years now and played MCO when it was live. During the time both were active (almost 2 years?) i think i bought 2 retail games and a d/l. Maybe a dozen* games during the other 4 years or so grand total. Even with multiple monthly payments on AC and another monthly fee i was actually SAVING money on games and playing more hours!
Even if only some of the 5 mil ppl in WoW follow suit thats gonna add up quick if they buy 50-75% less:O
* several were duplicates for 2nd computer even, about 7-8 titles total. Some of those were trying to replace MCO, if it had stayed live i probably would not have hit 10 new games in 6 years.
One other smaller issue...currently looking for FPS to get back into...but i get frustrated now by soo many that all sound the same and i am out of touch a little with current favorites...tend to just brush it off til later...and later.....and later....6 months after deciding it was time to try one again i still haven't actually bought one;)
Perhaps she should go play dodge ball instead or go play football in the local park...
hehe and here i thought dodge ball was about the most unhealthy thing ever, wtf is with teaching kids to throw stuff at the slowest weakest etc? Never saw the saving grace then or now;)
The listen to fav music one was good, perhaps with your ipod earbuds that'll make em go deaf, at least they won't be blinking all the time:O
Do californians really need the gov't to give them ideas for their kids to do besides play games??? Taking 'Nanny State' to a whole new level!
Tho dated and half empty, Asheron's Call was problably the most solo-friendly game. Certainly for the 1st 75 levels or so, which is good because you wont find anyone under 75 to play with now.....:(
I agree, other games seem to want to have perfect little parties to fight that take half the day to get going.
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"And do you know how often someone complained to us that they couldn't access their course using firefox? Never. Not once. You know why?"
;)
:(
;)
yup, too lazy
Remember it takes a few minutes to tell you it looks funny, it takes a few seconds to poke an X then poke a big blue E.
Sorry it was simpler to just close FF and open IE especially when the class time is in a few minutes. By the end of course, noone remembers to complain...
Most FF user will have ran across this accessing their bank or something somewhere and know to try the 'other one'
The fact that noone complained simply means that noone complained
How about not even replacing their signal.
Could one jam/interfer with it enough if they had a rough idea of when? Sounds MUCH easier than pegging the millisecond to inject yours.
Interfer enough so data is unusable, then they have to resend. Repeat as much as possible. Isn't having multiple versions of secret data floating around a bad thing?
Sure, I'll know i didn't get all the legit email when someone asks me why i wasn't at our 25-year reunion :(
Sorry that really isn't the way I want it to work.
(that was my filtering, but on criteria likely to be used elsewhere...luckily my work ISP doesn't dump anything themselves)
My home ISP is annoying enough with dumping attachments, quarantining pictures (interesting way to combat spam tho, you never hit their server for the pic to confirm receipt) but i think they let them all thru. Oddly enough my home ISP is mostly techies/gamer/business VERY few Average Joes on it.
Other than the slight bias in the posting.....at least one of the tagging keywords is biased ;)
:) Nothing better change between ANY of those ;)
How many machines is this? They mention $40k, is that to check 4 machines or 40,000 machines. Makes a slight difference in whether the charge is reasonable. Can certainly see diebold point here, i wouldn't certify the machines when you let someone tinker with em.
It said he was suspicious of the memory, so he can see if anything changes between the original, after blackbox, and after double checking by diebold i hope
Our $900 point of sale terminal prints a receipt, don't get why this is sooo hard to get voting terminals to do it when they cost $27,000,000 / x. Then a test run would be simple and not require any tinkering it seems.
What do you do when you don't trust either side?
ok, i am done reading article someone else can go read it now.
:(
:) Don't know how MX works, does it go to the web host first to find address. That probably wouldn't help us much.
hehe, nearly slashdotted already with 1 comment showing
Actually kinda curious as our web host kinda sucks for email, probably for site too but i got the domain for the mail
hehe, saved from looking up how many alarms that was called :)
I thouhgt 5 sounded way high for a house.
Watch who you are calling an adult!
:)
hehe the online racing mod i play has an average age in the late thirties! and only cause there is a couple teenagers dragging DOWN the average
Rock on ya old geezers
No mod points today naturally :(
;)
This is what is seems to come down to alright.
Yes they SHOULD learn on WinXP with Office 2003 since thats what the world uses. But how many of those will come with that and how many of those have clear licenses or disks? Not enough certainly.
Many donated boxes would be win98 i imagine. How do you know those are legit installs, many 98 installs arent. What are the odds of donated machines coming with the orig doc and licenses?
Are they going to be used together and/or would all having the same system be better for training? I could see many cases where having linux/win98/win2000/winxp together could be bad (or good for demo if you like the extra work of getting many dif systems to function
It would seem that finding a linux distro is the only useable answer (unless there is a way to get a bulk win98 license or something). If they are going to be given to people never to be seen again, maybe the original system would be ok.
---
Not quite sure on the non-transferable issue you mention, never seen that. If i give you my machine i can sure as hell leave it loaded. You can't reinstall OEM stuff on a new box(thus OEM!), is that the reference?
hehe that actually looks fancier than mine ;)
i got some little $40 nokia on a pay as you go plan. Same features not as pretty. I had no problem finding one last year and the refills last a year. $25 a year to keep it active is all.
Unfortunately the one you linked is not available for purchase at their store.
Only in stores
Available from:
Centennial Wireless
Cincinnati Bell
Don't know WTF is Centennial Wireless and Cincinati Bell, but you can bet there ain't a store nearby.
Right idea tho.
That's my excuse :)
Not so changed from tapes but i added enough CDs to my collection. I am not really into new music and have bought everything i wanted to buy from the back catalogs.
But, YES, i want CDs (or vinyl) not a file that can evaporate on a whim. And whoever said burn your downloads to CD should be shot, or they need a better HiFi than an Ipod!
So to sell me music they need to show me an EASY way to find AND sample new music.
If anyone here has investment/rental properties!
BEWARE
The CC companies may be sending these to your rental properties in YOUR name! They won't mind issuing you a card AND one in your renter's name...and send both to the rental address............
Even if you have nice honest renters, you want to place a bet on them bothering to shred them for you 1st ?!?
Especially bad is if the renter works/used to work for you as they had access to SS number etc. At least we made $10k flipping her house she was about to default on for our trouble.
As someone into vintage stereos and computers i am pretty sure i don't want to know
:)
:)
:(
I would bet the 160w stereo sucks closer to 1000 at the plug there is a lot of excess heat, even more if i turn on the 2 EQs, the 8-track, and the 4-channel dobly box
Usually a TV on to see if anything is on and 2 computers running when i am home. At least there is no 24/7
I dont imagine the florescent bulbs quite compensate
Would be interesting to compare tohe 2 computers tho, 1 intel 2.4 and one AMD 2500+ that are almost identical.
They could protect them if they wanted to.
:(
My 1st retail game (for XT! in hercules mono graphics!) had a required play disk AND an ID the photo in the manual.
All this activation stuff sucks tho, what if you want to show your kids/grandkids what you used to play 20 years from now? Is that online activation still gonna work
Not that putting in the 5-1/4" key disk is much better but it DOES work.
What global warming, i don't see any global warming...
...
Oh, wait
The issue i just ran into is that i can't upgrade our little psuedo server without spending half again as much to replace the tape drive and a bunch of tapes.
:(
;p
:(
New versions of windows simply decided for me that those old tape drives (floppy drive port or parallel port, neither works, had em both)
I simply wanted to use the backup program we already had and the tape drives we already had to backup a folder at night. I see no reason to buy a new 40G tape drive to backup a 200M folder each night and pull the tape out!
MS decided for me that i dont want to do that anymore
How much code could it take to support that old device for God's sake. They took it out to avoid bloat in windows ?!? Aren't you glad they left out that extra couple kilobytes of program to keep windows lean and mean for you
There is NO reason for it not to work, in fact it did eventually after installing every 3rd party driver that sounded remotely close to what i wanted and running the software a couple times under compatibilty mode. (ie, installing drivers for parallel cdrom to get tape to work, hehe)
----
even better, just thought of our previous accounting program.
One 'upgrade' added some new UI features, one of which was kinda nice. BUT it took out the ability to add custom icons on your custom toolbar buttons...thus the lookup for customer inquiry now gets the same icon as item inquiry instead of the easily identifiable ones i had made for previous versions
They made it easier to customize but harder to identify WHAT you had customized!
End of upgrade path for us. I knew they were just getting stupid now. When maintaince agreement stopped supporting it we stopped maint agreement. When company stopped support for it at all we stopped supporting the company.
That would make it 1997...the same as the version of Office i am running...
:)
Oh wait, was that supposed to be a good thing or bad thing?
They require a laptop now.
Why?
They seem to have skipped that part.
Do you get textbooks now electronically without paying an arm and a leg?
Download or upload homework?
Have to have it to use the music service you have to pay for with tuition?!?
They require a laptop and it integrates seamlessly with the wireless network on campus to......... ?
Seems like coming up with enough posts that won't get nuked by moderators (which forums allow blatant ads?) but somehow compel people to look might be tough. But hey, Anyone that can blow 62 million bucks with nothing to show for it can do anything i am sure :O
;p
Oh well guess those employees finally have to DO something after all this time....
Funny thing is after all this, they have enough name recognition that it would probably sell itself if it's half as good as they think
Would it really count as a new version if i can run it my old hardware.
:/
:(
Have had almost no luck upgrading and version to the next. Even this box tho it would run XP would NOT be happy about it. It will not run XP+firewall+AV+terminalemulator without excessive lag (1.6GHz win98).
Isn't it coming out this year? One would hope you could build a machine to run it then!
Oh well, if these stupid online vendor pricing programs worked on something besides win/IE i'd be willing to try something but they dont
Discovering it takes a 2GHz computer now to successfully emululate a dumb terminal was just depressing for the future
hehe, and you both forgot one of the 2nd ones (ok, call it 3rd)
;)
Turbine - Asheron's Call in 1999, plus 1 retired and a new one this year (DDO)
hurfy
online gamer for 25 years
Isn't dt/dt=1, usually meaning YES or ON according to my computer :)
:/
;)
Didn't he just turn time travel on ? Bet he's not willing to give us the key name tho
whew, my plans for galactic domination are still intact
CURRENT_USER\TIME_TRAVEL=1 Woohoo it wor....
Dang, thats across 26 servers?!?
OUCH
So they feel as lonely as i do playing Asheron's Call ?
Like everyone else, we dont show pop now but a few hundred per server online.
poor jedi wanna-bes
Yup, gotta wonder how much of it is WoW's fault ;)
:O
;)
Been playing Asheron's Call for 6 years now and played MCO when it was live. During the time both were active (almost 2 years?) i think i bought 2 retail games and a d/l. Maybe a dozen* games during the other 4 years or so grand total. Even with multiple monthly payments on AC and another monthly fee i was actually SAVING money on games and playing more hours!
Even if only some of the 5 mil ppl in WoW follow suit thats gonna add up quick if they buy 50-75% less
* several were duplicates for 2nd computer even, about 7-8 titles total. Some of those were trying to replace MCO, if it had stayed live i probably would not have hit 10 new games in 6 years.
One other smaller issue...currently looking for FPS to get back into...but i get frustrated now by soo many that all sound the same and i am out of touch a little with current favorites...tend to just brush it off til later...and later.....and later....6 months after deciding it was time to try one again i still haven't actually bought one
Perhaps she should go play dodge ball instead or go play football in the local park...
;)
:O
hehe and here i thought dodge ball was about the most unhealthy thing ever, wtf is with teaching kids to throw stuff at the slowest weakest etc? Never saw the saving grace then or now
The listen to fav music one was good, perhaps with your ipod earbuds that'll make em go deaf, at least they won't be blinking all the time
Do californians really need the gov't to give them ideas for their kids to do besides play games??? Taking 'Nanny State' to a whole new level!
Tho dated and half empty, Asheron's Call was problably the most solo-friendly game. Certainly for the 1st 75 levels or so, which is good because you wont find anyone under 75 to play with now..... :(
I agree, other games seem to want to have perfect little parties to fight that take half the day to get going.