Actually, I did quite a bit of that when I was too young and too poor to pay for the movie (one guy pays, sneaks around to the emergency exit, lets four of us in). IIRC, the penalty for getting caught was getting thrown out, not five years in prison and a $100,000 fine. They certainly didn't call it "piracy" or "theft" or anything like that... even if your analogy was a good one (and as other posters have illustrated, it's not), you're still pointing out that the punishment doesn't fit the crime re: downloading.
I've been using Pan for quite a while (in fact, I think I'm a couple of releases behind) and it decodes all binaries, yenc included. Even displays images inline, which was a feature Forte Agent never got around to adding.
Do not branch. We never have but have heard of hair being pulled out when people do that.
I had heard the same thing, so I stayed away from branching until I got here. We're a bunch of branching fools here, and it's actually not as bad as I was led to beleive. For the most part, CVS handles branching pretty well. The biggest area we had trouble with was figuring out how to specify branches in all the different tools (command line, Eclipse, wincvs, etc. etc.) that our people insisted on using. A couple of things that we've learned the hard way, though:
If branch B was created from branch A, merge branch B back into branch A. Do not merge branch B into branch C, D, or any other branch. Ever. Trust me. Or don't trust me, and regret it.
Create as few branches as you can get away with. We have a nasty habit here of creating a new branch each week, per project (project being used in the marketing sense of the term). It's been a tad bit of a nightmare to keep track of all of those branches (nothing's quite as frustrating as commiting code to the wrong branch and having to manually re-do the work on the right branch).
Read the CVS Faq (not just Cederqvist) from the source directory - especially the part that talks about tagging before branching (I think they refer to these as branch-point tags). It's an easy thing not to do, and something you'll regret if you don't (Subversion has been mentioned here several times - one of Subversion's finer points is that branchpoint tags are not necessary).
Not even in the streets, dude - in Mexico, my wife and I saw T3 on the shelves in retail stores (like Wal-mart, for example) the day after it came out in theatres in the US. She told me (she's Mexican, so presumably she knows this stuff) that all of it's pirated/stolen, and nobody gives a shit. Don't you feel lucky to be an American?
Oh, come on, now - it's the 21st century, after all. You should know by now that just because something is "true" doesn't mean you can say it out loud or base policy on it.
Yeah, kind of like the posts you see on here from time to time along the lines of "I immediately wastebasket-file a resume with a cert on it". Argh! I have a four-year degree and a couple of certs, "just in case" (oh yeah, and, along the way, I've figure out how to program, too). I'd hate to think that I've been passed over for jobs because I added the "cert" as an insurance policy. (Although I suspect I got my current job because I'm a Sun Certified Java Developer... let the bashing begin...).
Insistence that everybody around you spell everything out explicitly (e.g. "That feature will cost approximately $XXXX to add and set us back by 3 months costing another $XXXX") is evidence that you're a complete idiot incapable of independent thought. Of course, being in management is also evidence that you're a complete idiot incapable of independent thought.
Hmmmm... I'm almost afraid to admit this, but I'm a Firefox user who might be able to use this. There's a lot of information there that I've never been able to figure out how to determine using publicly available resources. According to TFA, Netcraft will report site, domain, ip address, country, date first seen, organization, last reboot, netblock owner, site rank, name server, DNS admin, and reverse DNS. Obviously I can use nslookup to figure out the IP address, and internic.net to look up the domain and figure out name server, dns admin, etc. but country? netblock owner? Date first seen?
The example shown in TFA, for example, shows netcraft.com being hosted in the UK... obviously, this is more sophisticated than just checking to see if the domain is co.uk. It seems like they actually are providing some value by maintaining a database... figuring out the hosting country from an IP address is supposed to be impossible.
Of course, I'm not downloading anything until I've seen it reviewed for a while to see if the database they're maintaining is useful in any way, shape or form - if 99% of the sites aren't in their database (and they're just showing me WHOIS lookups), then yeah, I guess I fall into the "don't really need it" category.
Actually, I would think the "smart" politician would want to set up a warning system to at least get himself out of the way... last time I checked, Washington D.C. was located awfully close to the eastern shoreline of the US.
And you, my friend, have underscored the absurdity of the direction this debate always seems to take. If Indian programmers weren't "cheaper" than Americans, they'd hire Americans. Period. We know this. It's not even a topic for debate. It's self-evident.
But when we say, "look, this isn't terribly reasonable. We're expensive because we live here. H1-B's live here, too, but they'll go back to India where they can live like kings on the $10,000 they managed to save up by living sort of cheap. I'll retire here some day... I need to build a nest egg, too. Even worse, offshore folks are dirt cheap because they live there." When we go on to say, "look, you live here, too. If this is bad for me, it's going to be bad for you. Unless we all want to go live there"... when we say this, we raise the ire of the "Slashdot: where racism against Indians is OK" sig asshole.
The review of this book (and, I take it, the book itself) seems to be a more polite version of this. "Quit complaining, you racists. You're all just a bunch of racists. Racist racist racist, you racist racist".
Sigh... it would be funny if it didn't affect me...
You know, I did the same thing - I memorized enough to eke through the tests, got the minimal C's that I needed for me degree, and got the hell out of calculus as fast as I could. Many years later, while unpacking, I stumbled across my old calculus textbook (which I had been unable to resell to the university bookstore because it was an "old edition"). Out of curiosity, I cracked it open and started reading it. Amazingly, when I didn't have a professor breathing down my neck to memorize seemingly useless "stuff", I actually found it interesting! I started working the problems in the book, and actually enjoyed myself... beleive it or not, when you do them leisurely over breakfast, not worrying about a grade, working calculus problems can be as much fun as doing a crossword puzzle.
I later decided to pick up a GRE review book - they contain a lot of extremely interesting (and challenging) math problems. I originally bought it so I could do the problems, but my wife kept bugging me to take the test (since I had spent every morning for six months studying for it). I ended up doing so and got a 770 on the math section (this from a guy who barely scraped through calc I & II with C's). Now she's bugging me to attend graduate school - I guess I'd better, since I paid to take the test and all.
Anyway, college textbooks/prep books can be a great way to sharpen your math skills, whether you're actually taking the course or not... you might even still have a few from your college days (complete with problems your instructor assigned that you never got around to actually doing, if you're anything like me...)
Actually, I beleive the offshoring trend has illustrated that learning things like "divergence and the surface integral of a vector field" entitle you to a less-than-minimum-wage (for the US) job in a third-world country. That is, after all, the value that employers appear to be putting on such knowledge. What's the point? We can do better studying french-fry making.
Damn, dude - you should know by know that it's two plus two that equals four... no wonder we're behind in math, with this sort of disinformation wandering the internet...
I have to weigh in on this one (although, as poster #3xx on this thread, I'm not sure you'll ever actually see it)... I obtained a 4-year degree from an unknown university 10 years ago, and I don't know that it ever held me back, but I've also worked for a lot of no-name companies (not bad jobs, but never companies that anybody would ever have heard of). I'm with a non-no-name company now (one I automatically assume you've heard of), in a pretty high-profile position, and I'm surrounded by people with degrees from non-no-name universities. That made me start to wonder if I missed something - wonder so much that I've returned for a master's degree (in CS) at a non-no-name university (my employer is picking up the tab, so all the better). I'm noticing a couple of things:
a) the instructors there are about the same quality as at my no-name university
b) the coursework there is about the same quality as at my no-name university
c) the students there are about the same quality as at my no-name university
d) the labs & facilities kick ass
Of course, I remember interviewing at a large Telco back in '99 and the woman I was interviewing with looked at my resume with disdain, mispronounced the name of the college I got my four-year degree from, and said, with a snotty tone, "... I've never heard of it". I didn't get the job. Although I have no way of knowing, I wondered if there was a connection there.
in most cases skilled workers (both native and immigrant) are actually treated quite well
Hehe - that might make it worth the trip. As somebody with a four-year degree in computer science (currently pursuing a master's degree in the same) and 10 years experience desigining and implementing software, it might be an interesting change of pace to live in an environment where I'm actually considered skilled rather than treated consistently like a lego piece that can be replaced with little or no impact. In America (at least in the last three or four years), professional programmers are generally treated with slightly less respect than drug addicts who live in burned-out tenement buildings. At least they get their weekends off.
I've been to India and I've seen the dirt and filth a lot of these guys have clawed their way out of to get educated and get to the US
Yeah, so let's decimate the American worker so that in ten years he can live in dirt and filth and claw his way out to get educated and get to India! That'll show those whiny Americans!
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Actually, I did quite a bit of that when I was too young and too poor to pay for the movie (one guy pays, sneaks around to the emergency exit, lets four of us in). IIRC, the penalty for getting caught was getting thrown out, not five years in prison and a $100,000 fine. They certainly didn't call it "piracy" or "theft" or anything like that... even if your analogy was a good one (and as other posters have illustrated, it's not), you're still pointing out that the punishment doesn't fit the crime re: downloading.
That's pan.rebelbase.com, BTW.
I've been using Pan for quite a while (in fact, I think I'm a couple of releases behind) and it decodes all binaries, yenc included. Even displays images inline, which was a feature Forte Agent never got around to adding.
Ok, your sig actually made me laugh out loud (in a crowded room, so I had some 'splaining to do).
Best... Sig... Ever!
I had heard the same thing, so I stayed away from branching until I got here. We're a bunch of branching fools here, and it's actually not as bad as I was led to beleive. For the most part, CVS handles branching pretty well. The biggest area we had trouble with was figuring out how to specify branches in all the different tools (command line, Eclipse, wincvs, etc. etc.) that our people insisted on using. A couple of things that we've learned the hard way, though:
Not even in the streets, dude - in Mexico, my wife and I saw T3 on the shelves in retail stores (like Wal-mart, for example) the day after it came out in theatres in the US. She told me (she's Mexican, so presumably she knows this stuff) that all of it's pirated/stolen, and nobody gives a shit. Don't you feel lucky to be an American?
Oh, come on, now - it's the 21st century, after all. You should know by now that just because something is "true" doesn't mean you can say it out loud or base policy on it.
Yeah, no kidding - I tried to read one of things once and the boredom almost killed me, too.
Yeah, I wonder what he does with resumes like mine whose college degree is so old I've stopped including GPA information...
Yeah, kind of like the posts you see on here from time to time along the lines of "I immediately wastebasket-file a resume with a cert on it". Argh! I have a four-year degree and a couple of certs, "just in case" (oh yeah, and, along the way, I've figure out how to program, too). I'd hate to think that I've been passed over for jobs because I added the "cert" as an insurance policy. (Although I suspect I got my current job because I'm a Sun Certified Java Developer... let the bashing begin...).
Insistence that everybody around you spell everything out explicitly (e.g. "That feature will cost approximately $XXXX to add and set us back by 3 months costing another $XXXX") is evidence that you're a complete idiot incapable of independent thought. Of course, being in management is also evidence that you're a complete idiot incapable of independent thought.
Hmmmm... I'm almost afraid to admit this, but I'm a Firefox user who might be able to use this. There's a lot of information there that I've never been able to figure out how to determine using publicly available resources. According to TFA, Netcraft will report site, domain, ip address, country, date first seen, organization, last reboot, netblock owner, site rank, name server, DNS admin, and reverse DNS. Obviously I can use nslookup to figure out the IP address, and internic.net to look up the domain and figure out name server, dns admin, etc. but country? netblock owner? Date first seen?
The example shown in TFA, for example, shows netcraft.com being hosted in the UK... obviously, this is more sophisticated than just checking to see if the domain is co.uk. It seems like they actually are providing some value by maintaining a database... figuring out the hosting country from an IP address is supposed to be impossible.
Of course, I'm not downloading anything until I've seen it reviewed for a while to see if the database they're maintaining is useful in any way, shape or form - if 99% of the sites aren't in their database (and they're just showing me WHOIS lookups), then yeah, I guess I fall into the "don't really need it" category.
Actually, I would think the "smart" politician would want to set up a warning system to at least get himself out of the way... last time I checked, Washington D.C. was located awfully close to the eastern shoreline of the US.
Wow... I wish I was smart enough to understand all that...
And you, my friend, have underscored the absurdity of the direction this debate always seems to take. If Indian programmers weren't "cheaper" than Americans, they'd hire Americans. Period. We know this. It's not even a topic for debate. It's self-evident.
But when we say, "look, this isn't terribly reasonable. We're expensive because we live here. H1-B's live here, too, but they'll go back to India where they can live like kings on the $10,000 they managed to save up by living sort of cheap. I'll retire here some day... I need to build a nest egg, too. Even worse, offshore folks are dirt cheap because they live there." When we go on to say, "look, you live here, too. If this is bad for me, it's going to be bad for you. Unless we all want to go live there"... when we say this, we raise the ire of the "Slashdot: where racism against Indians is OK" sig asshole.
The review of this book (and, I take it, the book itself) seems to be a more polite version of this. "Quit complaining, you racists. You're all just a bunch of racists. Racist racist racist, you racist racist".
Sigh... it would be funny if it didn't affect me...
You know, I did the same thing - I memorized enough to eke through the tests, got the minimal C's that I needed for me degree, and got the hell out of calculus as fast as I could. Many years later, while unpacking, I stumbled across my old calculus textbook (which I had been unable to resell to the university bookstore because it was an "old edition"). Out of curiosity, I cracked it open and started reading it. Amazingly, when I didn't have a professor breathing down my neck to memorize seemingly useless "stuff", I actually found it interesting! I started working the problems in the book, and actually enjoyed myself... beleive it or not, when you do them leisurely over breakfast, not worrying about a grade, working calculus problems can be as much fun as doing a crossword puzzle.
I later decided to pick up a GRE review book - they contain a lot of extremely interesting (and challenging) math problems. I originally bought it so I could do the problems, but my wife kept bugging me to take the test (since I had spent every morning for six months studying for it). I ended up doing so and got a 770 on the math section (this from a guy who barely scraped through calc I & II with C's). Now she's bugging me to attend graduate school - I guess I'd better, since I paid to take the test and all.
Anyway, college textbooks/prep books can be a great way to sharpen your math skills, whether you're actually taking the course or not... you might even still have a few from your college days (complete with problems your instructor assigned that you never got around to actually doing, if you're anything like me...)
Actually, I beleive the offshoring trend has illustrated that learning things like "divergence and the surface integral of a vector field" entitle you to a less-than-minimum-wage (for the US) job in a third-world country. That is, after all, the value that employers appear to be putting on such knowledge. What's the point? We can do better studying french-fry making.
Damn, dude - you should know by know that it's two plus two that equals four... no wonder we're behind in math, with this sort of disinformation wandering the internet...
I would imagine this would get the same immediate response from law enforcement and concerned citizens that a blaring car alarm gets right now.
I have to weigh in on this one (although, as poster #3xx on this thread, I'm not sure you'll ever actually see it)... I obtained a 4-year degree from an unknown university 10 years ago, and I don't know that it ever held me back, but I've also worked for a lot of no-name companies (not bad jobs, but never companies that anybody would ever have heard of). I'm with a non-no-name company now (one I automatically assume you've heard of), in a pretty high-profile position, and I'm surrounded by people with degrees from non-no-name universities. That made me start to wonder if I missed something - wonder so much that I've returned for a master's degree (in CS) at a non-no-name university (my employer is picking up the tab, so all the better). I'm noticing a couple of things:
Of course, I remember interviewing at a large Telco back in '99 and the woman I was interviewing with looked at my resume with disdain, mispronounced the name of the college I got my four-year degree from, and said, with a snotty tone, "... I've never heard of it". I didn't get the job. Although I have no way of knowing, I wondered if there was a connection there.
Jennings should have consulted with the dinosaur...
Hehe - that might make it worth the trip. As somebody with a four-year degree in computer science (currently pursuing a master's degree in the same) and 10 years experience desigining and implementing software, it might be an interesting change of pace to live in an environment where I'm actually considered skilled rather than treated consistently like a lego piece that can be replaced with little or no impact. In America (at least in the last three or four years), professional programmers are generally treated with slightly less respect than drug addicts who live in burned-out tenement buildings. At least they get their weekends off.
NIPLAC... yeah, I think my wife still has one of those left over from when she was breastfeeding...
Well, I maintain a large commercial website in something non-structured such as Java/JSP/struts/XML/XSLT...
I've been to India and I've seen the dirt and filth a lot of these guys have clawed their way out of to get educated and get to the US
Yeah, so let's decimate the American worker so that in ten years he can live in dirt and filth and claw his way out to get educated and get to India! That'll show those whiny Americans!
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