Ok then... take one of those old Sierra Graphic Adventures, be it Hero's Quest, Police Quest, Leisure Suit Larry... whatever. Now play both through versions (EGA command line and VGA GUI), and tell me which one was easier to deal with.
There are simple, identifyable problems with the command line. First, you gotta type. And let's be honest, of the hundereds of computer "people" I have met in my life, the only person that I know that has any actual typing skills is an Administrative Assistant... everyone else has a bastardized version of hunt-and-peck. But lets not say that is your problem. Lets say there is a new Operating System well call "ChimpanzeeOS". It is command line driven. You need to install a nic card. What do you do? help? No such command. man? No such command. What the hell?!?!? I dont know ANY COMMANDS FOR THIS DAMN THING, let alone how to do what I want. Now slap a GUI on it... notice the GUI gives you OPTIONS. You CAN DO SOMETHING without reading... and hopefully intuitively if it is done right.
Your attitude is not only rediculous, but proves that you just feel more of a "Real Geek" if you praise the command line
They need to unfreeze Disney and talk to him about him animatronics. Sure, they look like terrible 70's robots, but their facial movements, mouth, eyes, cheeks, ears, the works looked completely human. Ive often wondered if they had real people with eletrodes hooked up to their face to get them looking that good... and if they did, why can't we do that 10000000x better now?
Simply put, I observe this as fact. I experience this in every computing environment I have tried, and the friends that I talk to that know what I am talking about, have the same experiences. It is just here on slashdot where things somehow work perfectly, even when they cant.
Have you ever USED a torrent? I mean, christ.... it takes about 5 minutes just to "find peers". Then... regardless the fact that there are 10k+ seeders, you still somehow only get 2k a second.
You, just like everyone else, seem to be confused on what COM, OLE, ActiveX, etc are and how they relate.
COM is simply a CROSS-PLATFORM binary interface standard. It isn't Windows only, either.
OLE is a SET of defined COM interfaces to Link and Embed Objects in documents (and similar). ActiveX was part marketing gimmick and part new version of OLE. This brought forth the mighty IDispatch interface for Automation.
I will tell you why Java "Isn't Cool"... because while it may be "Write once, Run Anywhere", how the HELL do you expect an end user to run JavaApp123, when all they download is a.class file? Why in GODS NAME does Java NOT USE Native Widgets? I mean, I can spot a Java application light years away. It doesn't integrate cleanly in ANY regard. My quote "Sure, you can run it, but why would you want to?"
# use or manipulate to one's advantage; "He exploit the new taxation system"; "She knows how to work the system"; "he works his parents for sympathy"
# draw from; make good use of; "we must exploit the resources we are given wisely"
This sounds just simply... for lack of a better word... stupid. I mean, it is like "Let's have a TV show that does X Y and Z, but we can't let ANYONE know what it is about, EVEN THE VIEWERS, or they might steal our idea!!!!!!!!!!!!"
I'd have to say if your business model floats on that, you better have some arm floaties.
You will find that SOAP has a VERY large overhead penalty. It was designed to be an IPC mechanism over more of a WAN, so the penalty isn't really an issue in most cases, but locally, it would be a mess.
Your code example, by the way, would use COM (Or more specifically, COM with Automation IE ActiveX).
Here is some VB-like psuedocode: Set MyObject = CreateObject("Some_Module_Written_In_Some_Other_La nguage")
MyObject.SomeFunction()
You know... this IS off topic, but WHEN the hell are they going to fix that? I mean, the message alone is abiguous... Is it unavailable due to server load? Do I have a security setting too high? Was the story pulled (this HAS happened)? Do you just hate me?
Every single story has about a billion people (give or take a billion or so) complaining/making jokes about it. Yet another reason I feel Slashdot is NOT worth paying for.
A slightly off-topic comment, that I feel I have to make to someone somewhere...
My boss and I were talking a week or so back, and we were talking about taking a bunch of our libraries and somehow making them into something we can use everywhere. Now realize that we, unfortunatly, have about 200 applications to maintain, across Visual Basic, Delphi, Java, C++ in many flavors (Borland and MS are the majority) and a slew of other crap, including some VB scripts.
Now, obviously, a plain DLL isn't going to cut it... VB would be a pain in the arse to translate all of the declares to, and Java would need something similar to use a native library.
This IS where ActiveX control/libraries come in. And thanks to even automation, I can EVEN use said libraries in the windows scripts via a magical CreateObject.
The nightmare of using ActiveX controls on a webpage shouldnt blur the actual usefulness of the technology possibly elsewhere.
If you mean sparc32, then HELL NO. Even Gentoo just dropped support for it. Now there is no Loonix and not even an up to date OS for our michty sparcs:(
Does anyone else feel dirty having a slider dictate how things are sorted? I mean, when *I* want things sorted, I know exactally how it should look... and from there, where to find the results I want (Like if sorted by alphabetical order, and I am looking for something that starts with 'T').
But on another look at this, maybe it will work out well... sort of like filtering your search, but instead of eliminating things, it will move them to the bottom of the list, so you still have ALL items displayed, but really what you want is at the top.
Slashdot Mirror
Ok then... take one of those old Sierra Graphic Adventures, be it Hero's Quest, Police Quest, Leisure Suit Larry... whatever. Now play both through versions (EGA command line and VGA GUI), and tell me which one was easier to deal with.
There are simple, identifyable problems with the command line. First, you gotta type. And let's be honest, of the hundereds of computer "people" I have met in my life, the only person that I know that has any actual typing skills is an Administrative Assistant... everyone else has a bastardized version of hunt-and-peck. But lets not say that is your problem. Lets say there is a new Operating System well call "ChimpanzeeOS". It is command line driven. You need to install a nic card. What do you do? help? No such command. man? No such command. What the hell?!?!? I dont know ANY COMMANDS FOR THIS DAMN THING, let alone how to do what I want. Now slap a GUI on it... notice the GUI gives you OPTIONS. You CAN DO SOMETHING without reading... and hopefully intuitively if it is done right.
Your attitude is not only rediculous, but proves that you just feel more of a "Real Geek" if you praise the command line
Would the comment been different if I said "They need to dig up Disney"?
Not Really. A generic "Bring Disney back to life" simply isnt colorful
They need to unfreeze Disney and talk to him about him animatronics. Sure, they look like terrible 70's robots, but their facial movements, mouth, eyes, cheeks, ears, the works looked completely human. Ive often wondered if they had real people with eletrodes hooked up to their face to get them looking that good... and if they did, why can't we do that 10000000x better now?
Or BSD!
... and that is the answer that everyone gives.
Simply put, I observe this as fact. I experience this in every computing environment I have tried, and the friends that I talk to that know what I am talking about, have the same experiences. It is just here on slashdot where things somehow work perfectly, even when they cant.
Have you ever USED a torrent? I mean, christ.... it takes about 5 minutes just to "find peers". Then... regardless the fact that there are 10k+ seeders, you still somehow only get 2k a second.
COM and it's OLE predecessors
You, just like everyone else, seem to be confused on what COM, OLE, ActiveX, etc are and how they relate.
COM is simply a CROSS-PLATFORM binary interface standard. It isn't Windows only, either.
OLE is a SET of defined COM interfaces to Link and Embed Objects in documents (and similar). ActiveX was part marketing gimmick and part new version of OLE. This brought forth the mighty IDispatch interface for Automation.
http://www.orafaq.com/glossary/faqglosc.htm#COM
School must have been optional for you, where you come from...
Where I come from, 2005 - 1985 != 10
iJust iDont iUnderstand iThe iAppeal iOf iAn iPod. iMean, iF i iCan iGet iLunch iAt iTaco iBell iFor $3.50 iOr iMcDonalds iFor $6.00, iAnd iThey iBoth iKill iMe, iAnd iBoth iTaste iLike iDeath, iWHY iWOULD iBUY iMCDONALDS?!?!?!?
I will tell you why Java "Isn't Cool"... because while it may be "Write once, Run Anywhere", how the HELL do you expect an end user to run JavaApp123, when all they download is a .class file? Why in GODS NAME does Java NOT USE Native Widgets? I mean, I can spot a Java application light years away. It doesn't integrate cleanly in ANY regard. My quote "Sure, you can run it, but why would you want to?"
http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=mozclient&ie =utf-8&oe=utf-8&q=define%3Aexploit
# use or manipulate to one's advantage; "He exploit the new taxation system"; "She knows how to work the system"; "he works his parents for sympathy" # draw from; make good use of; "we must exploit the resources we are given wisely"
Still think it is used unwisely?
This sounds just simply... for lack of a better word... stupid. I mean, it is like "Let's have a TV show that does X Y and Z, but we can't let ANYONE know what it is about, EVEN THE VIEWERS, or they might steal our idea!!!!!!!!!!!!"
I'd have to say if your business model floats on that, you better have some arm floaties.
Some OEM's TRIED to do this, until MS threatened to never let them sell Windows again... then they stopped.
Um... it DID.
You will find that SOAP has a VERY large overhead penalty. It was designed to be an IPC mechanism over more of a WAN, so the penalty isn't really an issue in most cases, but locally, it would be a mess.
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Your code example, by the way, would use COM (Or more specifically, COM with Automation IE ActiveX).
Here is some VB-like psuedocode:
Set MyObject = CreateObject("Some_Module_Written_In_Some_Other_L
MyObject.SomeFunction()
No, it wouldn't.
You know... this IS off topic, but WHEN the hell are they going to fix that? I mean, the message alone is abiguous... Is it unavailable due to server load? Do I have a security setting too high? Was the story pulled (this HAS happened)? Do you just hate me?
Every single story has about a billion people (give or take a billion or so) complaining/making jokes about it. Yet another reason I feel Slashdot is NOT worth paying for.
... built right into the operating system... just like IE, and Windows Media Player...
A slightly off-topic comment, that I feel I have to make to someone somewhere...
My boss and I were talking a week or so back, and we were talking about taking a bunch of our libraries and somehow making them into something we can use everywhere. Now realize that we, unfortunatly, have about 200 applications to maintain, across Visual Basic, Delphi, Java, C++ in many flavors (Borland and MS are the majority) and a slew of other crap, including some VB scripts.
Now, obviously, a plain DLL isn't going to cut it... VB would be a pain in the arse to translate all of the declares to, and Java would need something similar to use a native library.
This IS where ActiveX control/libraries come in. And thanks to even automation, I can EVEN use said libraries in the windows scripts via a magical CreateObject.
The nightmare of using ActiveX controls on a webpage shouldnt blur the actual usefulness of the technology possibly elsewhere.
If you mean sparc32, then HELL NO. Even Gentoo just dropped support for it. Now there is no Loonix and not even an up to date OS for our michty sparcs :(
Does anyone else feel dirty having a slider dictate how things are sorted? I mean, when *I* want things sorted, I know exactally how it should look... and from there, where to find the results I want (Like if sorted by alphabetical order, and I am looking for something that starts with 'T').
But on another look at this, maybe it will work out well... sort of like filtering your search, but instead of eliminating things, it will move them to the bottom of the list, so you still have ALL items displayed, but really what you want is at the top.
Well, in celebration, I will drop 'My' pants
Contradicts?
Berkeley Software Distribution: Term used when describing different versions of the Berkeley UNIX software, as in "4.3BSD UNIX."
Please Drive Through
Sorry dude... BSD IS Unix.
http://www.google.com/search?q=define%3Absd
I guess it is a good thing that I use "TheCowJumpedOverMyMotherInLaw" as my password... no one will ever figure that one out