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Debian 3.0r6 Released
Polkan Garcia writes "The Debian group has released an update to the 'Woody' distribution of the popular GNU/Linux OS. From the site: 'This is the sixth and final update of Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 (codename 'woody') which mainly adds security updates to the stable release, along with a few corrections to serious problems. Those who frequently update from security.debian.org won't have to update many packages and most updates from security.debian.org are included in this update.' More good news: r6 is the final update of woody, the new stable release is coming."
...is YOUR woody secure?
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before the usual rants about debian begin....
let he who has donated at least one line of code, cast the first stone...
I have really been looking forward to this release!
zing!
What the hell do you mean, finally? The last update to Woody was April 16th of this year.
Unless you know what you're talking about, please don't try to troll. It just makes you look bad.
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Looks like someone can't take a joke.
A bit sensitive, are we?
Enough with the disney names. Name it something cool like Debian Kvlt Edition and you'll get your damn user base.
Grandparent is nothing more than yet another nonsensical gibberish troll post.
Once he'd got the employees up and running with Debian we let them try it out. It all seemed fine to start with: The Debian systems was a pretty good replacement for those shitty Windows boxes we'd used before and the employees could still do their work as normal.
Alas it did not stay that way. After a few days, I had lost count of the number of complaints received from our employees. Users could not do things they could before (like read their email). The final straw came when one employee lost several hours work when OpenOffice suddenly froze up, destroying the 70 page legal document he had been working on (subsequently, the defendant was sentenced to death.)
Needless to say, the Debian community, having been stagnant for half a decade, offered no support whatsoever. I made the employee destroy the Debian systems and lets just say he's not with us anymore.
would deploy debian as desktop systems. For that use Suse, Mandrake or Ubuntu. Debian is a server platform primarily.
Meh.
From the site: 'This is the sixth and final update of Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 (codename 'woody') which mainly adds security updates to the stable release, along with a few corrections to serious problems.
;)
vs what? Isn't that what ALL the debian updates are? Other then full version releases which get their own cool code name
They haven't even updated gaim in woody since MSN updated their protocol, it is a useless package (due to not supporting the current protocol)
freenet probably also is outdated enough to be shunned by the server it tries to connect to.
BitTorrent 3.3 gui won't work, wrong version of python to use it. Haven't bothered getting BitTorrent 4 to work on it yet.
stable is great, but stale it taking it a bit too far.
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I use debian. It is great for the servers, as long as you don't have clients who need the latest and greatest freatures of the software. But then clients should either ask for 5 9s of uptime or the lastest and greatest. Asking for both just causes headaches. On the bright side, 'business headaches' just mean you need to charge more
As much heat as Woody gets from the Slashdot crowd, I think it is a good idea to have a stable release that doesn't update very quickly. Keep in mind that, as "old" as Debian is, it was released in 2002. It is no older than Windows XP (2001-2002 release) and is a good deal younger than Windows 2000 (1999 release). One of the servers I have an account on is a RedHat 7.2 machine, which is of the same era as the first Woody release. While I develop on Fedora Core three, I make sure my software compiles as is on a RedHat 6.2 system (2000 era).
For servers and corporate desktops, an update every three years is a frequent update. I am glad that Debian has been current with security updates on this three-year-old release; I would rather have that than the updgrade treadmill Fedora has me on. (The Fedora Legacy project seems to be comatose) In fact, I'm going off of the treadmill--my next Linux will be CentOS (a no-cost generic clone of Red Hat Enterprise Linux) which will allow me to have sane updates--once a year or two instead of once every six months.
that the poster just wanted to see how many times he could get to say the word woody and be on-topic?
I use Linux on my desktop. Have been doing so since 2000. First few years I ran Mandrake, now I run ArchLinux. I also use Linux (debian) on my servers. I have 1 solitary windows XP machine sitting idly in the corner, in case I need it for something... so far it has been fired up when I need to play some commercial games. Even the majority of the games I'm currently playing (UT2004, Doom 3 and NWN) run natively on Linux.
Meh.
I've used Debian since RH sold its soul to the Devil. Debian is the most well-designed OS I have ever used... and I've used a lot. apt-get is simply amazing. Dozens of distros are based on Debian... why? Because, it's the most well-designed OS in the world. It just screams of good, thoughtful design that just works. I can install Debian and have a useful machine for 5 - 7 years (that's how good apt-get is).
This is the third nearly identical post you have made to seperate stories. Enough already.
Is there a SPARC port available on the new release?
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Any one know if or when Debian will transition away from xfree86? I know that 4.3.0 version is in Sarge (and Sid) and getting bug fixes. But what is the long term plan for X on Debian?
Do not read this
Is there any chance of Debian adopting autopackage http://autopackage.org/? I wish they did because though it (autopackage) might have its quirks, the best implementation to package manegement will not necessarily help in World domination. I undertsnd that M$ also is relevant here.
like "Debian Striker" or "Debian Savage" or "Debian Archon" would be cooler.
Meh.
I thought that apt-get had was unable to handle multiple architectures on a single system, which prevented a fully integrated 64 & 32 bit version of Debian. Has that problem with apt-get been solved yet?
As much as people may complain about the age of packages that make up Debian stable releases, they serve a niche well and the project sticking to its goals on supporting many platforms and keeping the stable distribution static has provided a good alternative for those not willing to climb the upgrade ladder with distributions like fedora or ubuntu, or deal with any issues that arise by running unstable or newer debian branches. To each their own, and every release is a positive move for the stable users out there who value its characteristics.
Business Voyeur
Mod parent up, informative.
That sounds good, but I hope that they're not just succumbing to deadline pressure and shoving this thing out the door half baked.
However, it still won't convince some to switch to a GNU/Linux distro such as Debian. Not until GNU/Linux finds solutions to better usability, interface, easy configuring and easy installation without a repository.
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No wonder why a college in Melbourne, Australia switched from Debian to OS X. And others are already planning the switch to OS X.
http://www.computerworld.com.au/index.php/id;1302
And get a brand new one for the price of a Windows Longhorn III license.
I run archlinux, which is a spinoff from slackware. debian and gentoo aren't the only two original GNU/Linux systems. I'm sure there are even many more.
Meh.
His retarded Debian? His retarded red hat? His retarded devil?
Speak up.
I forget what 8 was for.
I'm confused. So far As I can tell, the only difference between SPARC and SPARC64 Linux is the kernel. Debian of course has a SPARC port, so why not just choose the kernel as appropriate (or compile your own in the unlikely event that they don't provide both versions precompiled)?
Yep, I spend a lot of time hardening my woody...
"It's the smell! If there is such a thing." Agent Smith - The Matrix
The poster just copied and pasted some text. That troll has been around for quite a while now...
Without a proper flamewar, Anonymous was undecided on what shell to run.
I think it comes a close second to Gentoo. In terms of thoughtful design anyway... silly ricer ethics aside.
But despite this... your question of "why are so many distros based on Debian?" Well Debian is certainly well designed, and this is definitely part of the reason, but it's not the whole of it.
The reason why there are so many based on Debian is because the Debian project leaders suck huge. RH may have sold its soul to the devil, but Debian is like the really promising super smart kid who found the joys of weed, and spent the rest of his life in a basement smoking dope, watching tripped out screensavers, and eating brownies.
Debian was great. Now it's just an old decrepid remnant of its former self. Many others have picked up in its wake though, so it's all good. Nothing lost, and all to gain!
All your complaints are obsolete. You know Ubuntu's ultra-mega-spiffy installer? Guess what? That's the new debian-installer which will be "official" when Sarge becomes the stable version.
You don't have to wait for that, however...
http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/
Knowledge is power. Knowledge shared is power multiplied.
Still, it's a pretty clever karma hack to re-post an insightful comeback to the re-post of a troll.
Dewey, what part of this looks like authorities should be involved?
The retarded poster's grammar is retarded. It should have been :
You're retarded.
The Internet's nature is peer to peer - 20050301_cs_profs.pdf
<Algorithms> DareDevil2002: I am saying I am wishing for stable woody
<PaC> Algorithms: perhaps viagra can help you with that
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Keep in mind that, as "old" as Debian is, it was released in 2002. It is no older than Windows XP (2001-2002 release) and is a good deal younger than Windows 2000 (1999 release).
Woody was released in 2002 but the release date doesn't count for much. What matters is that the obsolete packages that comprised Woody are a lot older.
Debian is Linux archeology. It might do serve a purpose for you but you're deluded if you believe that it's ever in the same epoch as the current state of the art.
or are there 7 discs to install this thing ?
Why on earth do they need 7 full CDs to install this OS ? That always throws me off and I end up burning 4 Fedora discs instead.
I will be trying out Sarge though, when it makes it out. I have heard too many good things about debian not to try it out.
I switched from Debian to Gentoo when I bought my first Athlon chip a few years ago. My reasoning was, why use a distribution optimized for a 20 year old architecture, when I can use one that takes advantage of my CPU's capabilities?
I saw this article and thought I'd look into Debian again, just to see what it's like. I figured since I've always liked apt just a tad better than portage, and I'm now switching to a new architecture (AMD64), the Debian packages for that architecture would be optimized for my chip. To my shock, there is no Debian release (at least not listed under their supported architecture section) for AMD64. They support the MIPS and Alpha chips (has anyone built a MIPS or Alpha CPU in this century?). They support the Motorola 68k series (which makes the Alpha look trendy). And strangest of all, they support the IA-64. AMD's 64-bit chip sales in the first month exceeded Intel's entire IA-64 sales to that point (and it had been out for a long time).
So what I have to wonder is: are they 1) just that far behind the times, 2) anti-AMD/pro-Intel, or 3) just assuming that since i386 binaries run on AMD64 chips, that's good enough?
Given that they expect Athlon32 and PentiumIV users to use the i386 binaries, I'd guess it's option 3. Years ago, I sent an old Celeron 300 and Pentium 166 to Hungary to help support the debian 586 project (according to this page they're still using them), but nothing ever came of it.
Is Debian going to cause its own extinction by not keeping up with the new technology?
An employee suggested to me that we troll on a few Slashdot topics as an evaluation. I was skeptical at first but he explained the benefits of trolling on Slashdot instead of wanking off in a dark closet. I decided to let him troll in 5 topics to see how the trolling got on. Besides, our IT manager had been trolling Slashdot at home and he hadn't reported any problems - why not try it on with our employees?
Once he'd got the employees up and running with Slashdot trolling we let them try it out. It all seemed fine to start with: The Slashdot trolls were a pretty good replacement for trolling on yiffy/slash-porn forums like we'd used to before and the employees could still wank in their closets as normal.
Alas it did not stay that way. After a few days, I had lost count of the number of complaints received from slashbots. Posters got wise to the boilerplate. The final straw came when one poster modified our troll post to make fun of us, destroying the 70 pages of troll feeding we had been working on (subsequently, the poster was modded up.)
Needless to say, the Slashdot community, having been stagnant for half a decade, offered no support whatsoever. I made the employee go back to wanking in his dark closet and lets just say he's not with us anymore.
I've been running on debian unstable for about the last 7 or 8 months - at home and at work. It is exceptionally solid.
Debian unstable for me has been more stable than either Fedora (both 2 and 3), and Mandrake. Dunno about other distros.
Debian packages break a lot less frequently than packages for most other distributions I've played with (slak, RH, Mandrake). Also, the scope of debian's package system is unmatched.
I was amazed when I was trying to install 'bioperl' at work (a somewhat esoteric perl library for handling biology data). I was just joking around and typed 'apt-get install bioperl', thinking to myself "if only life could be that nice". I couldn't beleive my eyes when I realized that bioperl was actually in the package repos. It blew me away.
So yeah. Don't complain about stable being old. Use testing, or even unstable. They're all very good distributions.
-Laxitive
LMFAO ;-)
Yes, but did it give you a woody?
See:
1. From the site: 'This is the sixth and final update of Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 (codename 'woody') [..]
And this:
2. [..] More good news: r6 is the final update of woody [..]
3. ???
4. Profit!
If forcing your operating system ideology on others genuinely were a form of rape, then Ballmer would be as guilty as sin. Remember that. However, I feel that if you, or someone close to you, had actually suffered a serious sexual assault, then you would not be so keen to bandy about the word rape in such a fashion.
Microsoft aren't about doing you any favours: the company typifies the whole souring of the American dream, where a corporation with enough money can always make more money by finding a way to charge ordinary people money for something they already do every day. If somebody invented a garden fence you couldn't talk to your neighbours over, I have no doubt in my mind that an American telephone company would start "giving them away for free" to encourage people to make more phone calls -- and would then begin lobbying to outlaw conventional fences, on the basis that they provided unfair competition.
It'd be funny if my government didn't think that American ideas were worth copying.
Je fume. Tu fumes. Nous fûmes!
0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
"For servers and corporate desktops, an update every three years is a frequent update."
Someday, people will laugh at you.
try setting this in your xorg.conf
Option "Protocol" "IMPS/2"
Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5"
I don't know what GNU is, but I know GNU's not Unix. ;-)
Debian works just fine on my Russian surplus kerosine-powered 50 pound laptop. Of course, I had to get the kerosine drivers from an external source and modify the kernel during build to not use the coal-powered module.
I was amazed when I was trying to install 'bioperl' at work (a somewhat esoteric perl library for handling biology data). I was just joking around and typed 'apt-get install bioperl', thinking to myself "if only life could be that nice". I couldn't beleive my eyes when I realized that bioperl was actually in the package repos. It blew me away.
And even if a particular Perl module isn't included, you can build a nice Debian package of it from source or right off CPAN with this handy Debian Helper script:
dh-make-perl --build --cpan Some::Perl::ModuleThis works great, as you can easily upgrade or remove it. I use it for DBD::Oracle for instance.
zWhat would an EWOULDBLOCK block, if an EWOULDBLOCK could block would? -- me
None of (1), (2) or (3) are true: There's this on Debian's Wiki, Installing Optimized Kernel Package, which points to the package list. The package list for testing/sarge contains 386-, 586-, 686-, K6-, & K7-optimised 2.4 kernels, 32-bit generic, 386-, 586-, 686-, K6-, K7-, 64-bit generic, EM64T- and AMD64-optimised 2.6 kernels.
When 3.1 comes out next week or whenever, will Woody go away or will the existing package list that is Sarge just start to be called Woody? Or will they start calling Stable Sarge, testing Sid and unstable something else?
I'm installing linux on a new server and want to try out Debian. I installed Ubuntu last night which seems fine, except it doesn't seem to include some software I need, like spamassassin. I think I'll give the current testing a whirl, but if I want the sorts of package versions currently found in Sarge, should I install Sarge or Woody? If I wait a week and install 3.1, will I be "stuck" with packages that don't get updated for 2 more years?
These are the questions I ponder.
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I imagine in the near future a commercial:
For the sexy salesman in you, it's Oxy Toe Sin, because you want them to do your bidding.
It will be sold in little displays by plaid jackets everywhere. Or next to Rufees.
>>"ad space available -- low rates!!!"
So this is Debian Server 2002 Service Pack 42, code name "Duluth".
so one of the last distros to actually support the minor platforms is finally giving up on them :(
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