I have to admit having the fundamental change that Unity brought was bringing the GUI directly to the hardware. While X servers are good and useful not everyone needs or even wants it and if the results are improved performance then why not at least give the chance? The problem is why is an alternative OS being held back so much simply because of it's UI? The OSS community is about letting the software evolve at what ever pace it wants but major WMs are all firmly based around systems that have never evolved period. There has to be some sort of commenting system where you can comment on the UI from inside the UI and contribute that to the community for analysis included with context of the comment as through as the user allows, i.e Time,Kernel,Software,HardSpecs, etc. This will really help the progress of the evolution and also make it almost impossible for entrenched OS vendors to compete with not only new GUI models but as well popular GUI models, they will just spring up so fast and catch like wildfire.
People just 'try' Linux derived GUIs right now probably have a bunch of ideas, have no way of communicating them, give up and pop the CD/USB_HDD out of the drive. If you were able to make annotations from inside the GUI/WM and send it off with recommendations and requests with no sign in required there would be a much more substantial gain in propagation IMHO.
Maybe if you are used to setting up development systems but as far as enterprise they are all different machines. You might have both an IIS server as well as an Apache server feeding off of a common database, you don't want a fault in one client to take down more than one system and the list goes on. If you only plan to have 3 clients you might not want to hire a specialist but for such a small VM but as long as you are taking nightly snapshots there is not too much that can go wrong that you can't fix with a basic knowledge of your hosting VM, maybe it's worth sending out your Sys Op out for a training session? It might not be right for every business but it does have it's purpose.
Just because they need a car to do their job doesn't mean they should be able to charge a SLK 500 to their company account and have the CIO do the maintenance.
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Your argument makes no sense as VI and Emacs also had 1.0 release. VI 1.0 will never evolve or mature on its own since it is a static entity. For anything to mature it would have to be changed which also affects its version number. So the current version of Windows would be significantly more mature than Windows 1.0 and Windows 1.0 was much more mature than it predecessors.
Then it is quite obvious you have never installed a fresh copy of Windows for that type of hardware. You aren't going to get far installing Vista / 7 on a PIII class system with 256MB RAM. XP can be toned down and use around 50MB at idle. XP takes a while to install and comes with very few drivers on the install disk compared to Vista/7 so most if not all of your drivers have to be installed manually via the manufacturers respective websites. Now even that is starting to get tricky because if you have one of those cheap Chinese NICs or WIFI the site is likely hocking cheap Viagra by now. Slipstreaming an install CD might be an option
But as far as "install the latest Microsoft Windows on it", well ya you probably could "install it" but would you want to work on that machine 8 hours a day every day? Not likely. A custom Debian image could be made easily and launched via TFTP that would give a basic WM and your apps for everyday. Having one central image makes it easier to checksum the files on remotes in case of a compromising attack while also providing alternate "clean room" images when doing diagnostics. 12 hours max notice of infections, central control, easily deployable and packages can be deployed locally at high speeds.
We do have to remember they are upgrading 'en masse' computers that were likely bought in bulk to begin with. I wouldn't be mean and make them use a Win7 install on a PIII or anything without a GB of RAM.
If we moved the MBR to the a section of BIOS and setup a physical switch to allow modifications then that would give us a leg up on most of this garbage.
It's actually pretty simple at this point. You know about all that data everyone siphons off of you? They have been using that profile to target ads using that for you. Now they are letting you pick an emaginary ego and punt you stuff from that.
Clever eh !
Now I bet you won't even get the privillage of returning results about top in class rehab centers and body mods but their clothing lines and calognes. Classy.
Heh. While that is true I do have a car analogy for you. Wait till it's dying on the side of the road then step in. If you start talking before that that's where you hear "if it ain't broke..."
Maybe some one can clear this up for me. Lets just say in a month or two 200K or so people get knocked off the internet. Doesn't this mean the ISP will start to lose money in quite large proportions? Will each customer still have to pay their monthly fee regardless of being denied service?
This looks like either economic or political suicide all balanced on the idea that the people will react the way the ISP/Politicians will want them to just by cutting a few off. Does this sound risky to anyone else? Makes no sense to me since most people can't even tell in many cases that they apparently are infringing. On top of that how long till a couple of board script kiddies start injecting this material into connections effectively shutting down a nations internet all at once?
I would play 3D games anyway really. If the game is fun and fluid then what really is the difference if I click a link or a desktop icon?
From a distributor's standpoint, they already know people will play games regardless of it being distributed by web/steam/physical CD/DVD. Sure most people here will cringe when someone clicks on web game links because of how slow it will run or the ability to spread malware but we also know most of the millions will do it just the same.
What would really be cool is more easily attainable gaming. Hey most people will download virus laden software just in the hopes of being entertained for an afternoon how are we all supposed to hate on something that could eventually pan out for developers who wish to add 3D features to their websites?
Most IGPs today are capable of much more than they actually do on a daily basis, it might even be possible that if this catches on the GPU manufacturers will offer more hardware VM features that allows the OS to manage states more efficiently.
I'm not really sure where you're coming from here but if you are trying to promote some sort of 'balance' into all of this then why not just scrap using the copper for Internet/TV and use it strictly for Internet? Everyone from pseudo Internet YouTube sensations to HBO can charge you as they like from micro payments to thousands of dollars per episode if they see fit. The cable companies will save boat loads of money since they no longer have to hire expensive sales staff and negotiators to watch out for the lowly consumer as well as their bottom line. Even if they charge slightly more for a unlimited 20Mb/s connection I could then easily get a VOIP account plus TV channels for far less than paying each one separately. Since it apparently costs these providers so much to maintain this infrastructure as evident from my $10+ monthly 'system access' charges for each service both of us should be happier at the end of the day.
Unfortunately there are only 2 ways to go if you have a good idea.
Get funding / startup your own company based your idea, get sued before your business cards get back from Kinkos
Hire a lawyer, don't make anything but a simple numbered company with no offices or employees and shotgun legal notices to every fortune 500 company to see what sticks
Now all these companies talk about 'innovation' and I ask compared to what?
When people are expected to be fooled they will be. That is really the heart of the Turing Test. If we can be directed at equal footing as a real person we can eventually script interactions with very high outcomes in terms of the "real person" it is interacting with. From a 1984 perspective which was prevalent with Turing's time of WWII, AI was a scary and unexplored and the Turing Test is a large step forward to . I do believe script-able interactions will be something that is valuable for those that can afford to implement it but even rudimentary scripts would be able to fool the AI since it is only basing success on fooling you and not you fooling it. Most business would just have an AI system to operate with the other Turing Complete systems and it would just become an API based on the language it is written for. Something like an IRC channel full of bots but all of them are programed to believe all others are real.
I think the Turing Test was a valuable wall that we will climb and see it was a valuable lesson but nothing as we make it up to be.
The video format is just a shot in the dark. Already 1440p, 2000+p,etc are in the works with their 3D variants. In no conditions are web ads full screen so 1080p ads are non-existent. Fast bandwidth is great for video and that's about it right now aside from 'cloud' or offsite storage why do you need faster Internet anyway? I wouldn't mind seeing faster upload supported so I could stream video/audio better from my home server, so lets work on that first.
Sure it does but the "carriers" profit comes from our Internet access. Once Google jumps in the others will have to at minimum have to offer real speeds as well as of course ad services which they will not be able to compete in. So the result is ISP's that will offer high speeds with out advertising as a distillation.
I agree with that concept. As a race we just tend to break things down into their natural states. Our pursuit of 'purity' is the greatest example of this, we drill and mine and our only goal is truly the isolation of materials from their counterparts. Most of this is a reflection of nature its self where something gets broken down into it's fundamental parts we are just an extension of this. We some how believe looking from the outside in that we are exempt of this but it is the furthest from the truth.
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I have to admit having the fundamental change that Unity brought was bringing the GUI directly to the hardware. While X servers are good and useful not everyone needs or even wants it and if the results are improved performance then why not at least give the chance? The problem is why is an alternative OS being held back so much simply because of it's UI? The OSS community is about letting the software evolve at what ever pace it wants but major WMs are all firmly based around systems that have never evolved period. There has to be some sort of commenting system where you can comment on the UI from inside the UI and contribute that to the community for analysis included with context of the comment as through as the user allows, i.e Time,Kernel,Software,HardSpecs, etc. This will really help the progress of the evolution and also make it almost impossible for entrenched OS vendors to compete with not only new GUI models but as well popular GUI models, they will just spring up so fast and catch like wildfire.
People just 'try' Linux derived GUIs right now probably have a bunch of ideas, have no way of communicating them, give up and pop the CD/USB_HDD out of the drive. If you were able to make annotations from inside the GUI/WM and send it off with recommendations and requests with no sign in required there would be a much more substantial gain in propagation IMHO.
Maybe if you are used to setting up development systems but as far as enterprise they are all different machines. You might have both an IIS server as well as an Apache server feeding off of a common database, you don't want a fault in one client to take down more than one system and the list goes on. If you only plan to have 3 clients you might not want to hire a specialist but for such a small VM but as long as you are taking nightly snapshots there is not too much that can go wrong that you can't fix with a basic knowledge of your hosting VM, maybe it's worth sending out your Sys Op out for a training session? It might not be right for every business but it does have it's purpose.
Just because they need a car to do their job doesn't mean they should be able to charge a SLK 500 to their company account and have the CIO do the maintenance.
Your argument makes no sense as VI and Emacs also had 1.0 release. VI 1.0 will never evolve or mature on its own since it is a static entity. For anything to mature it would have to be changed which also affects its version number. So the current version of Windows would be significantly more mature than Windows 1.0 and Windows 1.0 was much more mature than it predecessors.
Seeing as how I can get 100 floppy disks as well on eBay I don't think you sell many of those.
Then it is quite obvious you have never installed a fresh copy of Windows for that type of hardware. You aren't going to get far installing Vista / 7 on a PIII class system with 256MB RAM. XP can be toned down and use around 50MB at idle. XP takes a while to install and comes with very few drivers on the install disk compared to Vista/7 so most if not all of your drivers have to be installed manually via the manufacturers respective websites. Now even that is starting to get tricky because if you have one of those cheap Chinese NICs or WIFI the site is likely hocking cheap Viagra by now. Slipstreaming an install CD might be an option
But as far as "install the latest Microsoft Windows on it", well ya you probably could "install it" but would you want to work on that machine 8 hours a day every day? Not likely. A custom Debian image could be made easily and launched via TFTP that would give a basic WM and your apps for everyday. Having one central image makes it easier to checksum the files on remotes in case of a compromising attack while also providing alternate "clean room" images when doing diagnostics. 12 hours max notice of infections, central control, easily deployable and packages can be deployed locally at high speeds.
We do have to remember they are upgrading 'en masse' computers that were likely bought in bulk to begin with. I wouldn't be mean and make them use a Win7 install on a PIII or anything without a GB of RAM.
Just listen to you hard drive after it happens ;)
If we moved the MBR to the a section of BIOS and setup a physical switch to allow modifications then that would give us a leg up on most of this garbage.
bunga, bunga!
It's actually pretty simple at this point. You know about all that data everyone siphons off of you? They have been using that profile to target ads using that for you. Now they are letting you pick an emaginary ego and punt you stuff from that.
Clever eh !
Now I bet you won't even get the privillage of returning results about top in class rehab centers and body mods but their clothing lines and calognes. Classy.
Ahhh true but his will have 45 webcams! Ain't patents grand?
If he really does like the fan base then why don't you see him putting in hours at the Genius Bar on his spare time?
He might just be paying tribute to Jobs and no harm done but this is as single sided as it gets.
Heh. While that is true I do have a car analogy for you. Wait till it's dying on the side of the road then step in. If you start talking before that that's where you hear "if it ain't broke..."
Maybe some one can clear this up for me. Lets just say in a month or two 200K or so people get knocked off the internet. Doesn't this mean the ISP will start to lose money in quite large proportions? Will each customer still have to pay their monthly fee regardless of being denied service?
This looks like either economic or political suicide all balanced on the idea that the people will react the way the ISP/Politicians will want them to just by cutting a few off. Does this sound risky to anyone else? Makes no sense to me since most people can't even tell in many cases that they apparently are infringing. On top of that how long till a couple of board script kiddies start injecting this material into connections effectively shutting down a nations internet all at once?
Does anyone ever think anything through anymore?
Would you be also mad if I scraped your site and it resulted in the sale of your property? /devils advocate
I would play 3D games anyway really. If the game is fun and fluid then what really is the difference if I click a link or a desktop icon?
From a distributor's standpoint, they already know people will play games regardless of it being distributed by web/steam/physical CD/DVD. Sure most people here will cringe when someone clicks on web game links because of how slow it will run or the ability to spread malware but we also know most of the millions will do it just the same.
What would really be cool is more easily attainable gaming. Hey most people will download virus laden software just in the hopes of being entertained for an afternoon how are we all supposed to hate on something that could eventually pan out for developers who wish to add 3D features to their websites?
Most IGPs today are capable of much more than they actually do on a daily basis, it might even be possible that if this catches on the GPU manufacturers will offer more hardware VM features that allows the OS to manage states more efficiently.
Ah ha! If you time it right you will get those drives in there while someone with brain damage then no harm right guys?
I'm not really sure where you're coming from here but if you are trying to promote some sort of 'balance' into all of this then why not just scrap using the copper for Internet/TV and use it strictly for Internet? Everyone from pseudo Internet YouTube sensations to HBO can charge you as they like from micro payments to thousands of dollars per episode if they see fit. The cable companies will save boat loads of money since they no longer have to hire expensive sales staff and negotiators to watch out for the lowly consumer as well as their bottom line. Even if they charge slightly more for a unlimited 20Mb/s connection I could then easily get a VOIP account plus TV channels for far less than paying each one separately. Since it apparently costs these providers so much to maintain this infrastructure as evident from my $10+ monthly 'system access' charges for each service both of us should be happier at the end of the day.
Now all these companies talk about 'innovation' and I ask compared to what?
Well 640 experiments is all you will ever need...
When people are expected to be fooled they will be. That is really the heart of the Turing Test. If we can be directed at equal footing as a real person we can eventually script interactions with very high outcomes in terms of the "real person" it is interacting with. From a 1984 perspective which was prevalent with Turing's time of WWII, AI was a scary and unexplored and the Turing Test is a large step forward to . I do believe script-able interactions will be something that is valuable for those that can afford to implement it but even rudimentary scripts would be able to fool the AI since it is only basing success on fooling you and not you fooling it. Most business would just have an AI system to operate with the other Turing Complete systems and it would just become an API based on the language it is written for. Something like an IRC channel full of bots but all of them are programed to believe all others are real.
I think the Turing Test was a valuable wall that we will climb and see it was a valuable lesson but nothing as we make it up to be.
The video format is just a shot in the dark. Already 1440p, 2000+p,etc are in the works with their 3D variants. In no conditions are web ads full screen so 1080p ads are non-existent. Fast bandwidth is great for video and that's about it right now aside from 'cloud' or offsite storage why do you need faster Internet anyway? I wouldn't mind seeing faster upload supported so I could stream video/audio better from my home server, so lets work on that first.
Sure it does but the "carriers" profit comes from our Internet access. Once Google jumps in the others will have to at minimum have to offer real speeds as well as of course ad services which they will not be able to compete in. So the result is ISP's that will offer high speeds with out advertising as a distillation.
Ya like DNS redirections and Deep Packet Filtering won't stop them from selling your logs to 3td parties. They are saints after all.
I agree with that concept. As a race we just tend to break things down into their natural states. Our pursuit of 'purity' is the greatest example of this, we drill and mine and our only goal is truly the isolation of materials from their counterparts. Most of this is a reflection of nature its self where something gets broken down into it's fundamental parts we are just an extension of this. We some how believe looking from the outside in that we are exempt of this but it is the furthest from the truth.