If Ford had lost, a lot of his inventions we now take for granted (assembly line, interchangeable parts, etc.) wouldn't have been invented until much later.
Ahem. Ford did not "invent" the assembly line or interchangeable parts. Maybe you've never heard of Joseph Whitworth (1803 - 1887) ? He invented the first accurate specifications for mechanical fixings, and thereby enabled mass production using standard parts. Before that every nut and bolt were individually matched.
As for the assembly line, you can check out Ransom E. Olds for a start. And really you can go back to ancient Egypt to see assembly lines building pyramids. All Ford did was to use a conveyor belt to move the parts between stations.
Are human rights to be restricted to those who have the mark ? How can you be anonymous if you can be scanned from a distance ?
I can't think of anything primarily done for the sake of convenience, that has turned out without having nasty side effects. Personal motor cars, cheap mortgages, credit cards, fast food, plastic packaging, party line voting, etc. RFID is fine for bus tickets, or other temporary privileges but not for permanent personal ID.
Another quite elegant solution to piracy is to use the customers name and credit card number as the serial for the product.
eReader do this on their 'paid for' ebooks and I certainly wouldn't torrent my own name and credit card details. Sure they might be stolen from my pc, but surely that's my fault and responsibility. Those details are never reported over the net BTW, the ebook is encrypted using those values. Sure you could probably copy and paste the whole thing into plain text, but that's a lot of hassle to save somebody else $10. A little steganography and even copy and pasted text could be traced back to the original purchaser.
The answer you accept depends on whether you want something that does what you want without having to think, or if it allows you to ask the question. CERN has their own version of Scientific Linux, but us proles can't download it. If anybody at CERN would allow me a copy, I would gladly mirror it for the rest of us.
(You can only get a floppy boot image, for a network install AFAICS, and to install on the network, you need a login)
Fuck the USA ! Before you "invented" the tv there was no such thing as the "mass media". We didn't have to accept advertising as a permanent and accepted part of our daily lives. Fucking cowards the lot of you ! (apologies to those who aren't).
In case you haven't noticed, the USA is all about keeping the profit for yourself, be it politics or so called "charity". USA == me me me, and FTW. Libertarians are basically saying, let me decide which laws I want to abide by, otherwise fuck you ! (even if it fucks me later). The rest of you are just moving your lips in time to the music. Don't get me wrong. I have travelled widely in the US and like very many individuals, but politically you are a bunch of ignorant cunts.
I watched the so called debates between Obama and McCain, and McCains attitude was "have kids and we'll pay for it, while Obama was "mumble mumble, everything will be better"
Tossers.
I'll tell you this now - if you ever try to force the UK to do your bidding, I WILL be (classed as) a terrorist.
Don't you realise that everything you hold dear is being played out in Iraq, but you are calling them "Insurgents" ? OPEN YOUR FUCKING EYES !
Do you like being told what to do ? Would you like being told what to do by a FOREIGN ARMY ?
Never ask anybody to do what you can't do yourself.
So you're in favour of allowing corporations the freedom to continue polluting everybodys environment because it's cheaper than building cleaner cars, but against the personal freedom to have an abortion because it might cost a tiny amount of tax payers money ? Consistent.
There is absolutely no reason he couldn't run KDE 3.x on the latest fedora. When Fedora 9 came out, there were issues with xorg not supporting compiz. The workaround was to install the xorg from Fedora 8 and get compiz running in that. Then when xorg was sorted out (a few months later) upgrade it and all was fine. Calling a distro brain dead because it specifically runs all the latest stuff, then complaining when they don't all work is what's brain dead. They do warn you, you know. If you want stable, run fucking ubuntu.
Fedora is specifically bleeding edge. So using the old version of KDE would be against the principal aim of the distro.
I've never liked KDE myself, actually. The only time I got on with it was with PClinuxOS Big daddy, when it was heavily customised in appearance. By default it looks like shit. I have things to do other than tweak the appearance of the damn desktop, so gnome does fine for me. And it's perfectly configurable thanks, as far as I need it to be. I would rather use blackbox than KDE.
Absolute crap. Adverse is a completely different word both in spelling and meaning. The advertising business on the other hand might well have those aims, but the word merely means to display openly.
If they had 100% confidence in this property of black holes, why are they studying them?
They're not. They are looking for the particle(s) or properties that impart mass. Black hole formation is a (remote) possible side effect of the experiment. The Higgs and the LHC
How do you know if someone is innocent until you try them ? I could save the country millions of pounds a year. Just tell the police to only arrest criminals ! Wouldn't even need the courts.
So the availability of nuclear technology should be decided by the market ? Sticking crap in milk should be ok as long as people buy it ? Lead in paint is fine ? Lead in petrol is fine ? Cars that struggle to reach 10 mpg are fine ? How many other things show your comment to be crap ? We all have to live in this world, so standards must be set. The "market" thinks it's ok to trojan CDs, pollute the world with deceitful advertising, lie and cheat their way to the biggest financial meltdown in history. But hey, let them do what they want - it's not like any of that is going to affect other people right ?
What are politicians for then, if not to make rules regarding everybody ?
Metric measurements are precise, but not everything has preciseness as it's main aim. In an analogue world, things like half, quarter, eighth, 16th are more easily understood than 0.275, 1.1756 etc etc. You can't divide anything using base 10 for very long before you end up using a decimal point. Real world items don't have decimal points. Divide a loaf of bread between 8 people, do you work out what 0.125 of the loaf is then weigh each piece off or do you just split into halves repeatedly ? Fractions are still useful, take Pi for instance. 22/7 is exact - 3.142 is far from exact. Analogue watches convey the information you need, ie. how long until... or how long past. Digital watches just give you a figure which you then have to convert into your desired answer.
In short we don't have a crisis at all. And we don't make the mistake of mixing the two together like some people... And we can spell litres properly. But then judging by past American localisation, the liter is probably 0.827 of a real litre.
Egypt has the border blocked because they don't want a war with Israel. You don't need to import the Berlin wall, the Israelis have been building one for years. This is part of the root problem - Gaza is separated from the West bank by Israel, and Israel is blocking access between the Palestinian territories.
And referring to the previous posts about Germany post WW2, the reason Germany has been peaceful since WW2 is due to a) being split into 2 halves for nearly 50 years, and b) being occupied both at the end of the war and for decades afterwards. There was no meaningful occupation after WW1 (excepting the valuable coal fields of course). AFAIK, the US still has bases in Germany now, and Japan, and Iraq and... well see for yourself.
If the Russians were as widespread militarily as the US is, the US would be firing rockets.
So the US occupation of Japan and subsequent enforcement of a US favourable government had nothing to do with that ? Not to mention that you no longer have to be at war to be considered an "enemy" of the US. Who put the US in charge of spreading democracy ? Doing that is no better than spreading communism, IMHO.
You keep pushing this stupid meme. "You can't conserve your way to greater generating capacity" Well, duh. Who said you could ? What conservation does allow, is more functions for the same amount of power, which in turn means less new generating methods needed. Trying to pretend that every household in the US can just burn power like yesterday, because the individual savings aren't that significant, or because "they can afford it" is idiotic. Just replacing one 100W incandescent with a 20W fluorescent conserves 80% of the original usage. So you can have 5 times as many lights for the same power requirement. Do you need 5 times the amount of lights ? Probably not, but in that case 5 times the number of households can have light. Reducing a TV standby from 20W to 0.1W is a significant saving in generation capacity needed to cover that type of usage (power 200 TV's on standby rather than 1 !). The more you use, the less there is for others to use. Your solution appears to be, turn it all off, you can't win what ever you do. Like I said, idiotic.
You realise that you're not supposed to be using the cup holders while driving, don't you ? They are there as picnic items, not to turn the car into a moving restaurant.
What do "unprofessional" and "customers" have to do with open source developers ? Are they getting paid by said "customers", or are the freeloaders complaining ?
I'm sure if the complainers were to offer a sum of money for a feature to be developed, they would get their "three bags full sir" obsequiousness. Until then, use it or don't use it, but don't use it and then complain about it.
Don't bother learning anything then. All your examples are crap. If you want a windows environment, go use windows. If you want to be in control of your environment then YOU have to be in control. Hand holding someone who should be in control is unnecessary isn't it ? If you don't know something, you ask, or you google, or you buy a book - you don't slag off the operating system you couldn't handle because you had to use your brain.
If you want a version of linux for kids, go for it - put together a distro. Don't tell the rest of the world what to do though.
All these people who think they are experienced linux users, but demand a GUI to achieve anything aren't learning anything except which button to click. They don't care what the button does, or what happens if it goes wrong. If the button moves, they are fucked. CLI users can just go straight to it every time.
So what do you want ? More intelligent computer users, or just the same dumb people but now on linux ? I can't believe there are people in this thread advocating installing software from the damn web browser ! Christ on a bike ! This is what worries me. This incomprehensible (to me) rush to be accepted by the wider world is going to fuck linux right up, until it's no better than windows is. People complain about the state of education, but then try to take any learning process away to be replaced by "helpful" tips and hand holding and button pushing.
Here's a tip, if every time someone says "I can't do it" someone else does it for them, they never stop saying "I can't do it". So let them struggle. If they really need "it" done they will either learn or go without. I've no problem helping people, but I object to changing things just to make them easier for idiots to cope with.
So if some teen masturbates, they should be thrown in jail for child molestation because otherwise you could have adults paying/pressuring teens to do this?
If they're doing it somewhere that someone else can see them, then they should be prosecuted for something. Or are you happy with kids wanking in public view ? No photos, no crime. No get caught, no crime. Act like an ass and get caught, deserve to pay the price. If that price is too high.... well you should have thought of that before.
Remember these teens aren't getting prosecuted for simply possessing the photos, they were stupid enough to get caught with them because they fucked around in class. No-one would be the wiser otherwise. The lesson in life is - those in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
And I don't believe they'll get a record anyway. The public will be led to think that, but they'll get let off right at the last minute just to scare the shit out of them. On condition they don't tell anyone about the deal of course.
And what about the agent, and what about the guy who makes the coffee... If they're needed they will exist. If they charge too much they won't get much work anyway. Otherwise, they get paid the market rate, if and when you want their services. Or do you think you can "make it big" by throwing money at a select group of people ? If so, then that's not art. They are just performers, and I don't see anybody whining about the starving circus troupe.
As it's windows anyway, can't MS issue a patch that asks a user for confirmation every time an outgoing request gets made ? Or at least keep logs that it can monitor for bot like activity. If you are getting more than a certain number of outgoing connections without any other user input, then it should flag it to the user as suspicious, via a report that appears on boot, and need confirmation before anything else can be executed.
You could still have trusted services, time.windows.com etc, but multiple requests when the browser hasn't registered a click for an hour should be regarded as suspicious. I realise this is the "wrong end of the stick", but we have to deal with things the way they are, not how we'd like them to be. At least being nagged will bring the publics awareness to the problem existing on their machines.
Another idea - use the mouse, so that if it's left unmoved for more than x amount of time the "watchdog" would lock the net down. If you need to leave something running like bittorrent, you can specifically add it as a trusted service, but never permanently. Anything other than BT accessing the net during that time period (or until you move the mouse again) will automatically be denied.
It seems to me that the wider community is having to carry the can for the sorry state of windows security, so making life inconvenient for those who leave their machines unpatched should be fair game.
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Ahem. Ford did not "invent" the assembly line or interchangeable parts. Maybe you've never heard of Joseph Whitworth (1803 - 1887) ? He invented the first accurate specifications for mechanical fixings, and thereby enabled mass production using standard parts. Before that every nut and bolt were individually matched.
As for the assembly line, you can check out Ransom E. Olds for a start. And really you can go back to ancient Egypt to see assembly lines building pyramids. All Ford did was to use a conveyor belt to move the parts between stations.
I am not a number, I am a free man.
Are human rights to be restricted to those who have the mark ? How can you be anonymous if you can be scanned from a distance ?
I can't think of anything primarily done for the sake of convenience, that has turned out without having nasty side effects. Personal motor cars, cheap mortgages, credit cards, fast food, plastic packaging, party line voting, etc.
RFID is fine for bus tickets, or other temporary privileges but not for permanent personal ID.
Another quite elegant solution to piracy is to use the customers name and credit card number as the serial for the product.
eReader do this on their 'paid for' ebooks and I certainly wouldn't torrent my own name and credit card details. Sure they might be stolen from my pc, but surely that's my fault and responsibility. Those details are never reported over the net BTW, the ebook is encrypted using those values. Sure you could probably copy and paste the whole thing into plain text, but that's a lot of hassle to save somebody else $10. A little steganography and even copy and pasted text could be traced back to the original purchaser.
The answer you accept depends on whether you want something that does what you want without having to think, or if it allows you to ask the question. CERN has their own version of Scientific Linux, but us proles can't download it. If anybody at CERN would allow me a copy, I would gladly mirror it for the rest of us.
(You can only get a floppy boot image, for a network install AFAICS, and to install on the network, you need a login)
Fuck off !
Fuck the USA ! Before you "invented" the tv there was no such thing as the "mass media". We didn't have to accept advertising as a permanent and accepted part of our daily lives. Fucking cowards the lot of you ! (apologies to those who aren't).
In case you haven't noticed, the USA is all about keeping the profit for yourself, be it politics or so called "charity". USA == me me me, and FTW. Libertarians are basically saying, let me decide which laws I want to abide by, otherwise fuck you ! (even if it fucks me later). The rest of you are just moving your lips in time to the music. Don't get me wrong. I have travelled widely in the US and like very many individuals, but politically you are a bunch of ignorant cunts.
I watched the so called debates between Obama and McCain, and McCains attitude was "have kids and we'll pay for it, while Obama was "mumble mumble, everything will be better"
Tossers.
I'll tell you this now - if you ever try to force the UK to do your bidding, I WILL be (classed as) a terrorist.
Don't you realise that everything you hold dear is being played out in Iraq, but you are calling them "Insurgents" ? OPEN YOUR FUCKING EYES !
Do you like being told what to do ? Would you like being told what to do by a FOREIGN ARMY ?
Never ask anybody to do what you can't do yourself.
Message ends.
p.s. Grow up !
So you're in favour of allowing corporations the freedom to continue polluting everybodys environment because it's cheaper than building cleaner cars, but against the personal freedom to have an abortion because it might cost a tiny amount of tax payers money ?
Consistent.
There is absolutely no reason he couldn't run KDE 3.x on the latest fedora. When Fedora 9 came out, there were issues with xorg not supporting compiz. The workaround was to install the xorg from Fedora 8 and get compiz running in that. Then when xorg was sorted out (a few months later) upgrade it and all was fine. Calling a distro brain dead because it specifically runs all the latest stuff, then complaining when they don't all work is what's brain dead. They do warn you, you know. If you want stable, run fucking ubuntu.
Fedora is specifically bleeding edge. So using the old version of KDE would be against the principal aim of the distro.
I've never liked KDE myself, actually. The only time I got on with it was with PClinuxOS Big daddy, when it was heavily customised in appearance. By default it looks like shit. I have things to do other than tweak the appearance of the damn desktop, so gnome does fine for me. And it's perfectly configurable thanks, as far as I need it to be. I would rather use blackbox than KDE.
Absolute crap. Adverse is a completely different word both in spelling and meaning. The advertising business on the other hand might well have those aims, but the word merely means to display openly.
They're not. They are looking for the particle(s) or properties that impart mass. Black hole formation is a (remote) possible side effect of the experiment.
The Higgs and the LHC
Change your preferences so that Foes are automatically modded -6, then make the assholes your foes. The list gets quite long though ...
Is this > . < a piece of your brain ?
How do you know if someone is innocent until you try them ? I could save the country millions of pounds a year. Just tell the police to only arrest criminals ! Wouldn't even need the courts.
So the availability of nuclear technology should be decided by the market ? Sticking crap in milk should be ok as long as people buy it ? Lead in paint is fine ? Lead in petrol is fine ? Cars that struggle to reach 10 mpg are fine ?
How many other things show your comment to be crap ? We all have to live in this world, so standards must be set. The "market" thinks it's ok to trojan CDs, pollute the world with deceitful advertising, lie and cheat their way to the biggest financial meltdown in history. But hey, let them do what they want - it's not like any of that is going to affect other people right ?
What are politicians for then, if not to make rules regarding everybody ?
Metric measurements are precise, but not everything has preciseness as it's main aim. In an analogue world, things like half, quarter, eighth, 16th are more easily understood than 0.275, 1.1756 etc etc. You can't divide anything using base 10 for very long before you end up using a decimal point. Real world items don't have decimal points. Divide a loaf of bread between 8 people, do you work out what 0.125 of the loaf is then weigh each piece off or do you just split into halves repeatedly ? Fractions are still useful, take Pi for instance. 22/7 is exact - 3.142 is far from exact. Analogue watches convey the information you need, ie. how long until ... or how long past. Digital watches just give you a figure which you then have to convert into your desired answer.
... And we can spell litres properly. But then judging by past American localisation, the liter is probably 0.827 of a real litre.
In short we don't have a crisis at all. And we don't make the mistake of mixing the two together like some people
Egypt has the border blocked because they don't want a war with Israel. You don't need to import the Berlin wall, the Israelis have been building one for years. This is part of the root problem - Gaza is separated from the West bank by Israel, and Israel is blocking access between the Palestinian territories.
... well see for yourself.
And referring to the previous posts about Germany post WW2, the reason Germany has been peaceful since WW2 is due to a) being split into 2 halves for nearly 50 years, and b) being occupied both at the end of the war and for decades afterwards. There was no meaningful occupation after WW1 (excepting the valuable coal fields of course). AFAIK, the US still has bases in Germany now, and Japan, and Iraq and
If the Russians were as widespread militarily as the US is, the US would be firing rockets.
So the US occupation of Japan and subsequent enforcement of a US favourable government had nothing to do with that ?
Not to mention that you no longer have to be at war to be considered an "enemy" of the US. Who put the US in charge of spreading democracy ? Doing that is no better than spreading communism, IMHO.
http://www.blueunplugged.com/p.aspx?p=121406
I'll let you google for a US model.
You keep pushing this stupid meme. "You can't conserve your way to greater generating capacity"
Well, duh. Who said you could ? What conservation does allow, is more functions for the same amount of power, which in turn means less new generating methods needed. Trying to pretend that every household in the US can just burn power like yesterday, because the individual savings aren't that significant, or because "they can afford it" is idiotic.
Just replacing one 100W incandescent with a 20W fluorescent conserves 80% of the original usage. So you can have 5 times as many lights for the same power requirement. Do you need 5 times the amount of lights ? Probably not, but in that case 5 times the number of households can have light. Reducing a TV standby from 20W to 0.1W is a significant saving in generation capacity needed to cover that type of usage (power 200 TV's on standby rather than 1 !). The more you use, the less there is for others to use. Your solution appears to be, turn it all off, you can't win what ever you do. Like I said, idiotic.
Receiving takes a lot more power on average than transmitting, because you always have to be ready to receive, whereas transmitting is arbitrary.
You realise that you're not supposed to be using the cup holders while driving, don't you ? They are there as picnic items, not to turn the car into a moving restaurant.
What do "unprofessional" and "customers" have to do with open source developers ? Are they getting paid by said "customers", or are the freeloaders complaining ?
I'm sure if the complainers were to offer a sum of money for a feature to be developed, they would get their "three bags full sir" obsequiousness. Until then, use it or don't use it, but don't use it and then complain about it.
Don't bother learning anything then. All your examples are crap. If you want a windows environment, go use windows. If you want to be in control of your environment then YOU have to be in control. Hand holding someone who should be in control is unnecessary isn't it ? If you don't know something, you ask, or you google, or you buy a book - you don't slag off the operating system you couldn't handle because you had to use your brain.
If you want a version of linux for kids, go for it - put together a distro. Don't tell the rest of the world what to do though.
All these people who think they are experienced linux users, but demand a GUI to achieve anything aren't learning anything except which button to click. They don't care what the button does, or what happens if it goes wrong. If the button moves, they are fucked. CLI users can just go straight to it every time.
So what do you want ? More intelligent computer users, or just the same dumb people but now on linux ? I can't believe there are people in this thread advocating installing software from the damn web browser ! Christ on a bike ! This is what worries me. This incomprehensible (to me) rush to be accepted by the wider world is going to fuck linux right up, until it's no better than windows is. People complain about the state of education, but then try to take any learning process away to be replaced by "helpful" tips and hand holding and button pushing.
Here's a tip, if every time someone says "I can't do it" someone else does it for them, they never stop saying "I can't do it". So let them struggle. If they really need "it" done they will either learn or go without. I've no problem helping people, but I object to changing things just to make them easier for idiots to cope with.
If they're doing it somewhere that someone else can see them, then they should be prosecuted for something. Or are you happy with kids wanking in public view ? No photos, no crime. No get caught, no crime. Act like an ass and get caught, deserve to pay the price. If that price is too high .... well you should have thought of that before.
Remember these teens aren't getting prosecuted for simply possessing the photos, they were stupid enough to get caught with them because they fucked around in class. No-one would be the wiser otherwise. The lesson in life is - those in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
And I don't believe they'll get a record anyway. The public will be led to think that, but they'll get let off right at the last minute just to scare the shit out of them. On condition they don't tell anyone about the deal of course.
And what about the agent, and what about the guy who makes the coffee...
If they're needed they will exist. If they charge too much they won't get much work anyway. Otherwise, they get paid the market rate, if and when you want their services. Or do you think you can "make it big" by throwing money at a select group of people ? If so, then that's not art. They are just performers, and I don't see anybody whining about the starving circus troupe.
As it's windows anyway, can't MS issue a patch that asks a user for confirmation every time an outgoing request gets made ? Or at least keep logs that it can monitor for bot like activity. If you are getting more than a certain number of outgoing connections without any other user input, then it should flag it to the user as suspicious, via a report that appears on boot, and need confirmation before anything else can be executed.
You could still have trusted services, time.windows.com etc, but multiple requests when the browser hasn't registered a click for an hour should be regarded as suspicious. I realise this is the "wrong end of the stick", but we have to deal with things the way they are, not how we'd like them to be. At least being nagged will bring the publics awareness to the problem existing on their machines.
Another idea - use the mouse, so that if it's left unmoved for more than x amount of time the "watchdog" would lock the net down. If you need to leave something running like bittorrent, you can specifically add it as a trusted service, but never permanently. Anything other than BT accessing the net during that time period (or until you move the mouse again) will automatically be denied.
It seems to me that the wider community is having to carry the can for the sorry state of windows security, so making life inconvenient for those who leave their machines unpatched should be fair game.