Apparently there's a glut of these, and they have been available on eBay as cheap paperweights, starting at $1. I don't have a link, and I don't much care, so you'll have to do your own eBay / Google search.
Just because their business model is for advertisers to pay for production in return for also broadcasting ads is no reason to enshrine that business model forever. If it is no longer viable, then they should find a new business model or go out of business.
Are we supposed to weep for vaudeville tap dancers and plate jugglers because radio and TV ran their business model into the ground?
How about street sweepers -- should we guarantee them a job even though the automobile reduced the amount of horseshit on the roads?
Navy ships. We panned movies mercilessly. Trash got talked back to. One particularly bad movie (73-76, couldn't tell you any closer) was some sorry-ass French Foreign Legion pot boiler, where the commandant's wife was in love with the rebel leader, and distracted the patrol on top of the wall with a striptease, while her hero snuck over said wall and opened the gate. The projectionist ran that strip scene back and forth until the film started to overheat, and he apologized for having to stop.
This was on the messdecks of USS Midway, CV-41, somewhere in the Pacific. Sometimes we had movies on the hangar deck, but not often. Messdecks were big enough.
Military crowds do not coddle movies. Turkeys get hoots and hollers, plenty of talking back, etc. Best damn way to see a movie there is.
Maybe you never heard of DR DOS? M$ distributed a beta version of something (Win 3.1? Office? forget) which had an explicit check for DRDOS instead of MSDOS, in which case it did something nasty -- fake errors, time delay, I forget that too.
If DRDOS was so bad, how come M$ had to stoop to that kind of crap? They took it out of the release version, presumably because they got so much flak.
You may also not remember, but Win95 was publicized as requiring MSDOS. Integrated, so to speak, unlike 3.1. Allegedly you couldn't make it work with DRDOS because DRDOS was "inferior". Novell (or whoever owned DRDOS then) made Win95 work with DRDOS just fine.
Netscape may not be much competition for IE now, but when it was better, there were enough tricks dumping on NN. Maybe you are just too young to know better.
Not much real sympathy from me. Apparently he only thinks M$ is a greedy monopolist now that he himself has been screwed. Doesn't seem to have complained when M$ was raping Netscape, Staq, Novell,... I guess as long as he was getting along with the wolf, getting a few crumbs that fell off the table, no complaints.
Nope, not much sympathy from me.
A friend's idea for a startup 5 years ago never got off the ground because at least two vulture capitalists refused to fund, on the grounds that if it became sucessful, M$ would jump in, make an offer we would be literally fools to refuse, and the VCs would not get enough return on their investment. I had long since been avoiding anything M$, just because of their nonethics attitude, and the friend was a real M$ junkie. Woke him up a bit. Maybe Teare will wake up a bit. Maybe others will wake up a bit.
Key Decisions: The new HP will be equally strong on UNIX, Windows® and Linux-based servers, requiring middleware solutions to support all platforms...
Workstations
Decision: We will incorporate the strength of Compaq's Windows NT workstations to form the industry's broadest, most comprehensive product line....[Kinda makes you wanna barf]...HP workstations will provide great value across the industry-leading 32- and 64-bit operations system environments: Windows, Linux and HP-UX.
Is it just me, or is the lack of mention under servers significant?
O well, Linux has come this far without depending on either HP or Q, it doesn't need HPQ either.
Enforcement is always the problem. Who wants a government agency watching every release to see it complies? Who need smore length drawn out trials and hearings?
Let M$ deifne what's OS and what's apps. Release the source *of the OS only* free of charge (but not for use to avoid licensing) at the same time as the binary release. Then anyone can see what the APIs actually are. Anyone could also compile the source to see that it matches the actual release.
Require source release of file validators, which validate files as complying with the published formats. Anyone could check their files; if it fails, bingo! -- fine M$.
So simple. It solves most of the forced upgrade problems, it eliminates any oversight committees, etc. Not perfect, but a pretty good start.
Also, these published APis and file format checkers can be used by ANYONE without licensing of any sort. The OS itself can't be compiled and used. They can still inflict audits on people.
Where did I say anything about monopolies being good?
Next time you post, try interspersing some facts or at least reasoning in amongst the rants.
For instance, one benefit of globalization is more competition, such as third world steel mills. They can make steel a whole heck of a lot cheaper than the first world. Look up some facts on how much overcapacity there is among steel mills. Half could go out of business -- the inefficient half, mind you -- and the world would be better off because (1) those workers would find something more productive to do, and (2) the crappy inefficient mills would go out of business and stop polluting.
Isn't that something! More and better work, less pollution -- bingo! Competition!
Now what was it you liked so much about localization?
If someone else can make something cheaper than we can, then that frees us up to do something NEW and BETTER. Would you still have us making buggy whips just to keep the jobs?
Namely, forbid interstate commerce. Forbid intercounty or even intercity or especially interneighborhood commerce.
Where do you draw the line?
Here's a thought. Money is the great equalizer. If someone can build something halfway around the world and ship it to me cheaper than I could make it myself, that's a win.
Here's another thought. If that ship / train / truck / plane carries cargo to me from halfway around the world, it probably carries something back in the other direction.
Good grief. Globalization itself is not evil, no more than capitalism or socialism is evil.
And what the heck is wrong with employing third world labor? You mean they should go without jobs?
Hey buddy, my truck was built in Indiana and North Carolina by a Japanese company. Should I refuse to buy any truck not built within 50 miles of where I live, and not built by locals?
Get a grip. Nothing is local any more. Any Wal Mart driving out inefficient mom-and-pop stores, well, too bad, but that's how progress works. The downside is the newly unemployed have to find a new job. The upside is costs drop, and society finds other uses for previously inefficient workers. They have been fred upt o do something NEW. Got a problem with that?
Yeh, let's all go back so damn far that everyone is employed locally, say, all the way back to when everyone had their own garden, made their own clothes, and so on.
I personally dislike Wal-Mart for their extreme penny puinching attitude, I always feel like they are squeezing the last penny out of every thing, and like I should go shower after leaving the place. I don't shop there much. But they have done a hell of a lot of good in keeping prices low for the great unwashed majority. I say Go Wal-Mart!
My first reaction on reading the post was that the guy had eaten too many press releases for breakfast. Exactly the same as reading any pro.NET crap from Redmond. So no harm done to balanced thinkers (ie, I distrust ALL press release regurgitations).
One or the other has to come out first, may as well be this. Sure it's chicken and egg, but necessary. Saying this won't help total system performance is like saying Watt's improvements on Newcomen's steam engine were no biggy until iron rails came into play. Improvements come in steps, lots of tiny steps, always has, always will.
Gone with the Wind, 198M in 1939 dollars, 1.1B in 2002 dollars, a ratio of 5.7.
Ten Commandments, 65M (one third GWTW) in 1956 dollars, 760M in 2002 dollars, a ratio of 11.7.
Now this makes no sense, it implies there was serious deflation from 1939 to 1956.
However!
What if they don't count box office receipts from just the release year, but actually account for inflation in each year of ticket sales? This just might be accurate. Has the Ten Commandments ever been re-released? I know GWTW has been re-released at least once.
Very puzzling. Wish they'd explain their methodology a bit.
At least some of the reason is due to court reporters. Long long ago in a job far far away, I wrote court reporting software. They charged by the page, and it used to be (still is?), at least in California, copyright by the reporter, not the court, and ALL rights of reproduction were with the reporter. They charged outrageously for copies, like $5 a page, much more for "immediate" turnaround. Lawyers could not legally photocopy the transcripts for their own use, they had to ask the reporter for more copies. They were constantly fussing with ways to get more pages out of the same transcript, such as 8 pitch, fewer lines per inch, wider margins, and so on. What a racket. Of course, that was when computers were just starting in, and indeed just beginning to be usable, so things may have calmed down since.
First you say the truth has nothing to do with this at all.
Then you say But this ruling expands actionably causes to truths that are, according to some judge or jury, vaguely and subjectively "misleading." Even if it the truth.
I have always worked at small companies in out of the way places doing interesting work, and not worrying too much about who paid the best. HP is the only big company I ever interviewed at, and would have been interested in working at, because they were not the typical Silly Valley company. They used to stand for long term patience and steadiness. Quirks in their equipment to be sure, but quality was there too. Carly is destroying that.
The 15,000 layoffs coming are a good example, as was spinning off Agilent. The point about not laying people off is not socialism or workers' rights, but rather the management mentality. If you know you can fire like crazy, you are more likely to hire like crazy. If you are reluctant to fire, you will also have a more long term outlook on hiring and expansion. If a project needs cutbacks, you will have the attitude of needing to find a new project for the current staff, rather than cutting back in a hurry and losing all that expertise, then later hiring like crazy and trying to integrate new staff.
That long term outlook is gone from HP now, with the Carly (and Curly) gang in charge. There are no doubt lots of the old guard still around, but they aren't in charge, and HP is on the road to being just another huge corporation, nothing special.
Not saying they are *good* tests, but many source install instructions have the basic steps
./configure
make
make test
make install
I always run these.
I had a job writing regression tests. I have not looked into any of these install tests. I doubt they are as thorough as they could be, but they have failed once in a while, and I have always investigated the failures.
If this guy doesn't know the difference between KDE and an OS, let alone the difference between KDE and GNOME, I'd say he didn't have much respect from his peers to start with!
What you are describing is technology helping the police enforce traffic laws, but it does not in itself enforce traffic laws. You still have control of your car, you can still break the speed limit when you want. The CBDTPA wants to making it *impossible* to break the copyright, not merely report to the authorities. The equivalent traffic enforcer would be a black box controlling the car directly, with radios by the roadside directing what those local laws are. That is what cannot be done, and what the CBDTPA attempts to do.
Furthermore, your example has the black box in a rental car, which very few people are interested in maintaining by themselves. How likely is it that this kind of control will be added to private cars? You would have to lock the hood (bonnet:-) shut to prevent tampering. You would have to go to a licensed garage just to check the oil and change the air filter.
And even if such a situation actually existed, how long would it be before someone stole a roadside transmitter from a fast highway and kept it in near his antenna, so he could always go highway speeds? You know there would also be transmitters available, just as radar detectors are still available even in states where they are illegal.
Slashdot Mirror
...there would be no customers!
Apparently there's a glut of these, and they have been available on eBay as cheap paperweights, starting at $1. I don't have a link, and I don't much care, so you'll have to do your own eBay / Google search.
Just because their business model is for advertisers to pay for production in return for also broadcasting ads is no reason to enshrine that business model forever. If it is no longer viable, then they should find a new business model or go out of business.
Are we supposed to weep for vaudeville tap dancers and plate jugglers because radio and TV ran their business model into the ground?
How about street sweepers -- should we guarantee them a job even though the automobile reduced the amount of horseshit on the roads?
Navy ships. We panned movies mercilessly. Trash got talked back to. One particularly bad movie (73-76, couldn't tell you any closer) was some sorry-ass French Foreign Legion pot boiler, where the commandant's wife was in love with the rebel leader, and distracted the patrol on top of the wall with a striptease, while her hero snuck over said wall and opened the gate. The projectionist ran that strip scene back and forth until the film started to overheat, and he apologized for having to stop.
This was on the messdecks of USS Midway, CV-41, somewhere in the Pacific. Sometimes we had movies on the hangar deck, but not often. Messdecks were big enough.
Military crowds do not coddle movies. Turkeys get hoots and hollers, plenty of talking back, etc. Best damn way to see a movie there is.
Maybe you never heard of DR DOS? M$ distributed a beta version of something (Win 3.1? Office? forget) which had an explicit check for DRDOS instead of MSDOS, in which case it did something nasty -- fake errors, time delay, I forget that too.
If DRDOS was so bad, how come M$ had to stoop to that kind of crap? They took it out of the release version, presumably because they got so much flak.
You may also not remember, but Win95 was publicized as requiring MSDOS. Integrated, so to speak, unlike 3.1. Allegedly you couldn't make it work with DRDOS because DRDOS was "inferior". Novell (or whoever owned DRDOS then) made Win95 work with DRDOS just fine.
Netscape may not be much competition for IE now, but when it was better, there were enough tricks dumping on NN. Maybe you are just too young to know better.
Not much real sympathy from me. Apparently he only thinks M$ is a greedy monopolist now that he himself has been screwed. Doesn't seem to have complained when M$ was raping Netscape, Staq, Novell, ... I guess as long as he was getting along with the wolf, getting a few crumbs that fell off the table, no complaints.
Nope, not much sympathy from me.
A friend's idea for a startup 5 years ago never got off the ground because at least two vulture capitalists refused to fund, on the grounds that if it became sucessful, M$ would jump in, make an offer we would be literally fools to refuse, and the VCs would not get enough return on their investment. I had long since been avoiding anything M$, just because of their nonethics attitude, and the friend was a real M$ junkie. Woke him up a bit. Maybe Teare will wake up a bit. Maybe others will wake up a bit.
to have read the article before posting, and naive enough to admit it.
You'll learn.
...and they thought it was the Department of justice. Well, it's an honest (sic) mistake; the appeal is going so well.
Key Decisions: The new HP will be equally strong on UNIX, Windows® and Linux-based servers, requiring middleware solutions to support all platforms...
Decision: We will incorporate the strength of Compaq's Windows NT workstations to form the industry's broadest, most comprehensive product line.
Is it just me, or is the lack of mention under servers significant?
O well, Linux has come this far without depending on either HP or Q, it doesn't need HPQ either.
Enforcement is always the problem. Who wants a government agency watching every release to see it complies? Who need smore length drawn out trials and hearings?
Let M$ deifne what's OS and what's apps. Release the source *of the OS only* free of charge (but not for use to avoid licensing) at the same time as the binary release. Then anyone can see what the APIs actually are. Anyone could also compile the source to see that it matches the actual release.
Require source release of file validators, which validate files as complying with the published formats. Anyone could check their files; if it fails, bingo! -- fine M$.
So simple. It solves most of the forced upgrade problems, it eliminates any oversight committees, etc. Not perfect, but a pretty good start.
Also, these published APis and file format checkers can be used by ANYONE without licensing of any sort. The OS itself can't be compiled and used. They can still inflict audits on people.
So any Christians who want to make a video game of the bible as a teaching tool, I guess their just shit out of luck, eh?
Where did I say anything about monopolies being good?
Next time you post, try interspersing some facts or at least reasoning in amongst the rants.
For instance, one benefit of globalization is more competition, such as third world steel mills. They can make steel a whole heck of a lot cheaper than the first world. Look up some facts on how much overcapacity there is among steel mills. Half could go out of business -- the inefficient half, mind you -- and the world would be better off because (1) those workers would find something more productive to do, and (2) the crappy inefficient mills would go out of business and stop polluting.
Isn't that something! More and better work, less pollution -- bingo! Competition!
Now what was it you liked so much about localization?
If someone else can make something cheaper than we can, then that frees us up to do something NEW and BETTER. Would you still have us making buggy whips just to keep the jobs?
Namely, forbid interstate commerce. Forbid intercounty or even intercity or especially interneighborhood commerce.
Where do you draw the line?
Here's a thought. Money is the great equalizer. If someone can build something halfway around the world and ship it to me cheaper than I could make it myself, that's a win.
Here's another thought. If that ship / train / truck / plane carries cargo to me from halfway around the world, it probably carries something back in the other direction.
globalization...third world labor
Gosh break out the moral dilemna rags!
Good grief. Globalization itself is not evil, no more than capitalism or socialism is evil.
And what the heck is wrong with employing third world labor? You mean they should go without jobs?
Hey buddy, my truck was built in Indiana and North Carolina by a Japanese company. Should I refuse to buy any truck not built within 50 miles of where I live, and not built by locals?
Get a grip. Nothing is local any more. Any Wal Mart driving out inefficient mom-and-pop stores, well, too bad, but that's how progress works. The downside is the newly unemployed have to find a new job. The upside is costs drop, and society finds other uses for previously inefficient workers. They have been fred upt o do something NEW. Got a problem with that?
Yeh, let's all go back so damn far that everyone is employed locally, say, all the way back to when everyone had their own garden, made their own clothes, and so on.
I personally dislike Wal-Mart for their extreme penny puinching attitude, I always feel like they are squeezing the last penny out of every thing, and like I should go shower after leaving the place. I don't shop there much. But they have done a hell of a lot of good in keeping prices low for the great unwashed majority. I say Go Wal-Mart!
My first reaction on reading the post was that the guy had eaten too many press releases for breakfast. Exactly the same as reading any pro .NET crap from Redmond. So no harm done to balanced thinkers (ie, I distrust ALL press release regurgitations).
One or the other has to come out first, may as well be this. Sure it's chicken and egg, but necessary. Saying this won't help total system performance is like saying Watt's improvements on Newcomen's steam engine were no biggy until iron rails came into play. Improvements come in steps, lots of tiny steps, always has, always will.
Gone with the Wind, 198M in 1939 dollars, 1.1B in 2002 dollars, a ratio of 5.7.
Ten Commandments, 65M (one third GWTW) in 1956 dollars, 760M in 2002 dollars, a ratio of 11.7.
Now this makes no sense, it implies there was serious deflation from 1939 to 1956.
However!
What if they don't count box office receipts from just the release year, but actually account for inflation in each year of ticket sales? This just might be accurate. Has the Ten Commandments ever been re-released? I know GWTW has been re-released at least once.
Very puzzling. Wish they'd explain their methodology a bit.
At least some of the reason is due to court reporters. Long long ago in a job far far away, I wrote court reporting software. They charged by the page, and it used to be (still is?), at least in California, copyright by the reporter, not the court, and ALL rights of reproduction were with the reporter. They charged outrageously for copies, like $5 a page, much more for "immediate" turnaround. Lawyers could not legally photocopy the transcripts for their own use, they had to ask the reporter for more copies. They were constantly fussing with ways to get more pages out of the same transcript, such as 8 pitch, fewer lines per inch, wider margins, and so on. What a racket. Of course, that was when computers were just starting in, and indeed just beginning to be usable, so things may have calmed down since.
Enlighten us instead
First you say the truth has nothing to do with this at all.
Then you say But this ruling expands actionably causes to truths that are, according to some judge or jury, vaguely and subjectively "misleading." Even if it the truth.
Which part am I misreading?
I have always worked at small companies in out of the way places doing interesting work, and not worrying too much about who paid the best. HP is the only big company I ever interviewed at, and would have been interested in working at, because they were not the typical Silly Valley company. They used to stand for long term patience and steadiness. Quirks in their equipment to be sure, but quality was there too. Carly is destroying that.
The 15,000 layoffs coming are a good example, as was spinning off Agilent. The point about not laying people off is not socialism or workers' rights, but rather the management mentality. If you know you can fire like crazy, you are more likely to hire like crazy. If you are reluctant to fire, you will also have a more long term outlook on hiring and expansion. If a project needs cutbacks, you will have the attitude of needing to find a new project for the current staff, rather than cutting back in a hurry and losing all that expertise, then later hiring like crazy and trying to integrate new staff.
That long term outlook is gone from HP now, with the Carly (and Curly) gang in charge. There are no doubt lots of the old guard still around, but they aren't in charge, and HP is on the road to being just another huge corporation, nothing special.
That's what Walter Hewlett tried to get across.
I always run these.
I had a job writing regression tests. I have not looked into any of these install tests. I doubt they are as thorough as they could be, but they have failed once in a while, and I have always investigated the failures.
If this guy doesn't know the difference between KDE and an OS, let alone the difference between KDE and GNOME, I'd say he didn't have much respect from his peers to start with!
What you are describing is technology helping the police enforce traffic laws, but it does not in itself enforce traffic laws. You still have control of your car, you can still break the speed limit when you want. The CBDTPA wants to making it *impossible* to break the copyright, not merely report to the authorities. The equivalent traffic enforcer would be a black box controlling the car directly, with radios by the roadside directing what those local laws are. That is what cannot be done, and what the CBDTPA attempts to do.
:-) shut to prevent tampering. You would have to go to a licensed garage just to check the oil and change the air filter.
Furthermore, your example has the black box in a rental car, which very few people are interested in maintaining by themselves. How likely is it that this kind of control will be added to private cars? You would have to lock the hood (bonnet
And even if such a situation actually existed, how long would it be before someone stole a roadside transmitter from a fast highway and kept it in near his antenna, so he could always go highway speeds? You know there would also be transmitters available, just as radar detectors are still available even in states where they are illegal.
The CBDTPA is unenforceable.