"Whether you agree or disagree with this guy, it's obvious his credentials put him at a level above 95% of the people criticizing him here."
You're percentage is a little high, but your point is correct.
There is some merit to his claim. Looking at his list of patents, most of those innovations could come about without knowing advanced math.
However, discrediting advanced math altogether is idiotic. FFTs and CFDs are heavily reliant on the mathematics of the real world, along with any other advanced modeling concepts.
Perhaps for his particular problem domain, advanced math may not be required. However, I'd like to see him code up a radiative transfer model for a dynamic atmosphere WITHOUT an understanding of CFDs.
"If Klaus sees a parallel between the way global warming alarmists and the Soviet totalitarians use language to browbeat their opponents, he at least merits a hearing-out rather than an out-of-hand dismissal."
So I guess I should listen to my auto-mechanic about heart problems because he happens to have 30 years of experience dealing with carbuerators?
A scientific consesus is reached by peer-reviewed research, not because the scientist think "OOOO we have a new sugar daddy!".
In the political forum, I'm sure this guy is worth listening to. But only the political jackasses have made this particular area of science a haven for politics.
It's really absurd. People had no problms when it was found that we were causing the ozone hole. We reacted strongly when it was found that we were causing acid rain. Why is it now that people just can't accept the fact that we are AGAIN screwiing up the planet?
The science is there. The models NASA uses are open source. There is even a BOINC project to run model simulations.
Or better yet, those that decry the findings of the scientists should get a degree in the field and do their own research.
In other news, apparently a couple of aliens have approached one of the rovers and held up a sign saying: Yes there is f@cking water here. Can you please find something else to talk about?"
Apparently, the sign was targeted at a site called Slashdot. CmdrTaco could not be reached for comment.
Indeed. But it does occasionally merge with the h and e quarks. Thus the formation of "the" grammartron.
Apparently though, in an electromagnetic field the h and the e quarks can get reveresed forming "teh" anti-grammartron. This has also been noticed with the r and o quarks in the "pron" anti-grammartron and the strange spontaneous phase shift of the o->p quark in the "pwned" anti-grammartron.
It is the same. The people who study climatology and related scientific fields spend decades doing research and study. How is that any different than doctors, who also spend years of study and research. Or how is that different from microbiologists who study diseases such as cancer? They're all experts in their related fields.
"The doctor is not acting on his own initutive to remove the tumor in the early stages."
Intuition? So you're saying that people with multi-doctorate degrees who have studied atmospheric physics and climatology for the past several decades are just using their intuition? O_o
You know, when you get a Ph.D in atmospheric physics and write your own computational fluid dynamics models, and get them peer reviewed and accepted by the scientific community then perhaps you'll be worth listening to.
Until then, I'll side with the thousands of scientists worldwide who are actively monitoring and modelling the phenomenology.
Like a cancer, the warming is in it's early stages. Act now and perhaps we can limit the amount of change. Don't act now and we may not be able to.
"So what if the West American Blue Tit goes extinct..."
You know, I bet you'd think the forest was beautiful if it wasn't for all the damn trees.
Let's say some bird goes extinct. Okay, big deal right? Well what happens if that bird was helping to keep, say, some parasite population in check that destroys crops? Without the predator, the prey multiply.
Our ecosystem is a closed system. You have no idea if killing off something in one place won't have some dire consequence elsewhere in the chain. Perhaps nothing will be affected, perhaps the entire orange crop of Florida will be affected.
Good discussion though. But hey, when you get that Ph.D you come back ok?
There's no money in treating the cancer now in the early stages. Let's wait until you have a 60 lbs tumor growing out the side of your head before we begin treatment.
By the time this becomes a serious problem, I doubt any amount of spending will be able to correct the damage. For example, you can't un-extinct species.
Regardles of the knowledge of said deity, I'm sure such an omniscient benevolent diety would hardly be the type to endorse murder, rape, war, and other atrocities.
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"The fact right now, today, this second is that we are there. Now we have to decide if we want to take the easy way out, or the right way."
That is exceptionally fallacious logic.
Our armed forces exist for one purpose and one purpose only: DEFENSE. Not policing other countries. Not invading other countries. Not preventing other countries from falling apart. DEFENSE.
The fact that we are draining OUR resources in order to CONTINUE using the same flawed logic is plain wrong. You don't fix a fuck-up by continuing fucking up.
This administration fucked up. They fucked-up bad. I don't see any logical reason to continue punishing our armed forces (and our children) for the idiocy of this administration. Iraq needs to take care of Iraq.
"Of course, the quickest way to end a war is to lose it (also Orwell)"
The quickest way to end a war is to not have one in the first place.
We won the war militarily. We lost the war ideoligically. Which means we lost. The people are figthing against us. The religious extremeists are fighting against us. They don't want us there. All we are doing is acting as a lightning rod.
Send male and female prostitutes along for the ride (scanned and screened of course). The astronauts themselves wouldn't have to pay, as they would be on "salary".
Well paid, and well laid. Nothing wrong with that.
Slashdot Mirror
Ha ha! Nobody expects Cardinal Richelieu!
Hmm...just doesn't have the same ring to it.
~X~
"Whether you agree or disagree with this guy, it's obvious his credentials put him at a level above 95% of the people criticizing him here."
You're percentage is a little high, but your point is correct.
There is some merit to his claim. Looking at his list of patents, most of those innovations could come about without knowing advanced math.
However, discrediting advanced math altogether is idiotic. FFTs and CFDs are heavily reliant on the mathematics of the real world, along with any other advanced modeling concepts.
Perhaps for his particular problem domain, advanced math may not be required. However, I'd like to see him code up a radiative transfer model for a dynamic atmosphere WITHOUT an understanding of CFDs.
~X~
"We can hold our Government more accountable for it's actions through elections."
h a...*giggle*
O_o
Bwahahahahahahahahaha....ooooo....bwahahahahahaha
Oh, that was a good one! I think I blew a kidney on that one.
Um. Oh wait, you must be new here. I'm sorry but we don't do that here anymore.
~X~
Corn nuts dude. You forgot thath the women would be covered in hot corn nuts.
~X~
"If Klaus sees a parallel between the way global warming alarmists and the Soviet totalitarians use language to browbeat their opponents, he at least merits a hearing-out rather than an out-of-hand dismissal."
So I guess I should listen to my auto-mechanic about heart problems because he happens to have 30 years of experience dealing with carbuerators?
A scientific consesus is reached by peer-reviewed research, not because the scientist think "OOOO we have a new sugar daddy!".
In the political forum, I'm sure this guy is worth listening to. But only the political jackasses have made this particular area of science a haven for politics.
It's really absurd. People had no problms when it was found that we were causing the ozone hole. We reacted strongly when it was found that we were causing acid rain. Why is it now that people just can't accept the fact that we are AGAIN screwiing up the planet?
The science is there. The models NASA uses are open source. There is even a BOINC project to run model simulations.
Or better yet, those that decry the findings of the scientists should get a degree in the field and do their own research.
~X~
From the US:
"All you people are belong to you."
~X~
In other news, a recent FBI investigation concluded that the FBI had overstepped its bounds many times.....
...And Paris Hilton was released from the hospital....
*crickets*
*oooh ahhh omg poneez!!!11!*
~X~
Make the log, copyright it, and then forbid its distribution.
~X~
What I want to know is how the hell the officer manage to pull your ass over.
~X~
Hey look everyone! A new openning in the gene pool!
~X~
Well, sequels that are even suck.
Uh....yeah.
~X~
In other news, apparently a couple of aliens have approached one of the rovers and held up a sign saying: Yes there is f@cking water here. Can you please find something else to talk about?"
Apparently, the sign was targeted at a site called Slashdot. CmdrTaco could not be reached for comment.
~X~
So basically, someone replaced the wheels on an electric wheelchair with legs? O_o
Progress.
~X~
Indeed. But it does occasionally merge with the h and e quarks. Thus the formation of "the" grammartron.
Apparently though, in an electromagnetic field the h and the e quarks can get reveresed forming "teh" anti-grammartron. This has also been noticed with the r and o quarks in the "pron" anti-grammartron and the strange spontaneous phase shift of the o->p quark in the "pwned" anti-grammartron.
~X~
In the future, computers fsck YOU!
~X~
"That is not the same."
It is the same. The people who study climatology and related scientific fields spend decades doing research and study. How is that any different than doctors, who also spend years of study and research. Or how is that different from microbiologists who study diseases such as cancer? They're all experts in their related fields.
"The doctor is not acting on his own initutive to remove the tumor in the early stages."
Intuition? So you're saying that people with multi-doctorate degrees who have studied atmospheric physics and climatology for the past several decades are just using their intuition? O_o
You know, when you get a Ph.D in atmospheric physics and write your own computational fluid dynamics models, and get them peer reviewed and accepted by the scientific community then perhaps you'll be worth listening to.
Until then, I'll side with the thousands of scientists worldwide who are actively monitoring and modelling the phenomenology.
Like a cancer, the warming is in it's early stages. Act now and perhaps we can limit the amount of change. Don't act now and we may not be able to.
"So what if the West American Blue Tit goes extinct..."
You know, I bet you'd think the forest was beautiful if it wasn't for all the damn trees.
Let's say some bird goes extinct. Okay, big deal right? Well what happens if that bird was helping to keep, say, some parasite population in check that destroys crops? Without the predator, the prey multiply.
Our ecosystem is a closed system. You have no idea if killing off something in one place won't have some dire consequence elsewhere in the chain. Perhaps nothing will be affected, perhaps the entire orange crop of Florida will be affected.
Good discussion though. But hey, when you get that Ph.D you come back ok?
~X~
Hey! That's a great idea!
There's no money in treating the cancer now in the early stages. Let's wait until you have a 60 lbs tumor growing out the side of your head before we begin treatment.
By the time this becomes a serious problem, I doubt any amount of spending will be able to correct the damage. For example, you can't un-extinct species.
~X~
Regardles of the knowledge of said deity, I'm sure such an omniscient benevolent diety would hardly be the type to endorse murder, rape, war, and other atrocities.
http://www.evilbible.com/
Ooops. Looks like said diety isn't such a nice guy after all.
~X~
You guys could try working on your aim you know. No offense, but a cross-eyed bantha has better aiming skills then your pals do.
When in doubt, do what I do. Shoot first.
Sincerely,
Mr. Solo
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We know that posting your every move to th internet might make you feel uncomfortable. Worse, it's also a lot of work. Therefore it pleases us to inform you that in 2010, we will remove this hassle and do it for you.
Remember, if you have done nothing wrong you have nothing to fear.
Your Friends,
DHS
Wow. You've just guarenteed that you will never get laid. :)
~X~
"The fact right now, today, this second is that we are there. Now we have to decide if we want to take the easy way out, or the right way."
That is exceptionally fallacious logic.
Our armed forces exist for one purpose and one purpose only: DEFENSE. Not policing other countries. Not invading other countries. Not preventing other countries from falling apart. DEFENSE.
The fact that we are draining OUR resources in order to CONTINUE using the same flawed logic is plain wrong. You don't fix a fuck-up by continuing fucking up.
This administration fucked up. They fucked-up bad. I don't see any logical reason to continue punishing our armed forces (and our children) for the idiocy of this administration. Iraq needs to take care of Iraq.
"Of course, the quickest way to end a war is to lose it (also Orwell)"
The quickest way to end a war is to not have one in the first place.
We won the war militarily. We lost the war ideoligically. Which means we lost. The people are figthing against us. The religious extremeists are fighting against us. They don't want us there. All we are doing is acting as a lightning rod.
~X~
Send male and female prostitutes along for the ride (scanned and screened of course). The astronauts themselves wouldn't have to pay, as they would be on "salary".
Well paid, and well laid. Nothing wrong with that.
~X~
Polonium. You forgot polonium.
~X~
Not if you're the president. You can use taxpayer dollars to ensure you get juicy profits long after you're done running the country into the ground.
~X~