Someone needs to clue you in on this. When Google stock goes up a few percent on news, that doesn't necessarily count. People buy into positive news, but others are ready to sell/take profit once the news is priced in fully. So, let's see in a week...a month...by 2007. You are a bit too hasty in your analysis that they "paid it off" by having the market pay for it. The "loan" comes back with interest, and a few skeptics (like myself) who may be willing to short the stock.
Well, so at least one conservative is up on his logic, and, I must say that there must be something strange going on when those who substitute name-calling (of Busy, Cheney, Rice, MSFT, etc.) for an actual argument are simply posting a subtle ad-hominem dig. That is a fallacy, and yet gets a +5 Interesting/Insightful often enough and sometimes the +5 Informative.
I mean with all the colleges that are known to be bastions of liberalism (well, at least anti-conservative to a pretty extreme degree) and the large number of large cities centered around these (re)education centers of learning, it is really quite interesting that there still is so much Red in the USA.
Of course, that just opens up the pundits to proclaim a few more ad hominem fallacies and paint with a broad brush-stroke the conservative thinkers as dumb idiots because they have fewer college degrees. Of course, if getting married and having 3 children were to count for anything in terms of life experience and acquisition of wisdom, then those with college degrees are the stupid ones. Furthermore, it is easy to get paid pretty well to sit in an ivory tower of "learning" and criticize the world and present grandiose ideas, and quite another to live in the real world with a spouse and children and have to work hard through it all.
Oh, and before people line up and label me an average idiot, let me just mention I have a BS and MS degree at age 24, and I am not married and have no children (and thus not tooting my own horn on the marriage/children thing). I had a minor in college in Philosophy and yet lamented that my school stopped teaching and started with propaganda disguised as "discussion". Ironically, my religious classical-focused high school education in Logic, Latin, Rhetoric, Literature and Philosophy taught me more about cogent and fallacious arguments in a 7th-grade Logic course than I learned in my 400-level college course. Furthermore, I covered more and learned more about philosophy in 11th/12th grades than I did in my entire minor.
However, trying to post "conservative drivel" on/. seems a little like pissing in the wind and thus it's often easier to complain than to waste one's time with writing up anything eloquent and having it modded -1 "Not Liberal".
PFI_Optix, you have in #3 confused the terms microevolution and macroevolution. Most creationists would accept microevolution (within the species) but would reject macroevolution (speciation, change into new species).
I believe by simply lumping it all under "evolution", you are presenting an argument that confuses the issue at best or deceives ignorant individuals at worst. I've seen quite a few make this very argument, but it is unconvincing to a creationist who has done some research.
Of course, empirically speaking, microevolution happens ALL THE TIME, but macroevolution theories continue to evolve (from the synthesis model of evolution to the punctuated equilibrium model to the next big thing) because they refer to evolution between species, where observation is nil and evidence is debatable (at least between creationists and "evolutionists").
I guess this would qualify as the evolutionary-friendly rebuttal...?
It's good to know/. is trying to pick up some news stories ahead of time. Unfortunately, we won't exactly live on earth to see what happens in a few billion years. All +5 Informative/Insightful should really get a -1 Clueless. Unless if you've been around for the past few billion years...
Speaking of poor logic, your examples tend to fall short in the very area you are trying to bolster:
Genetic differences disallowing breeding between closely related sub-species of birds mean that the birds lost some genetic information that allowed them to breed. This in fact happens among humans where there is great pollution or other factors (chemicals, etc.) that effect reproductive abilities. So, this means that some of these birds cannot mate and produce offspring. That is not evolution in the sense of simple beings evolving into higher life forms but rather "devolution" or genetic loss of information and decay in the gene structure.
The same goes for your population of fish. They "lost the ability to interbreed" which is a genetic loss of information - this happens all the time when you are subjected to a severe environment which hampers the ability to reproduce or move effectively, etc. This is not evolution in the sense of snail to ape to human.
I know of people who are against Darwin's evolution and are agnostic and could produce their names if you so desire. Some members of the Intelligent Design movement are agnostics, for example. The fact is that all people have an agenda, and you demonstrated yours by putting all religious people into a nice stereotype - namely, "people with problems." For someone trying to defend logic, you really should have done a better job.
Which is why I waited to buy the Macbook after a few months. I just got one recently after most of the issues had surfaced with it. I'm not really a beta tester for their hardware, but considering the relatively recent release of this thing, I'm very pleasantly surprised. Plus, there may appear a greater volume of issues because Apple has been selling more laptops than ever before...
I just bought a MacBook! It looks like there is someone attempting to standardize development of viruses to run across multiple platforms! Next thing you know, they may use Java inside the rootkit because of its famed interoperability! That massive download spike you're seeing is the loading of the latest JVM. One question - I have BOot C@mp installed and am wondering if someone can hack into that even though I'm currently not even running that OS. Now that would be sweet!
They'll get your first point. But they won't get your second point. Yeah, it's a real downer that you have to pay for an over-priced bit of pop crap from the likes of Jessica Simpson. I think I'll wait for phase 2...at $1.50 max. This is considerably crappy considering I just bought a new wrapped CD on eBay for $1 plus $2 shipping. So, would you like an MP3 for $2 or 12 for $3? Hmmm....
No, just give me the gadget! Must have handouts before friends... Don't worry, most/. preferred gadgets aren't going to be best sellers in the mainstream.
Would there ever be a chance S[c]hiavo could've recovered like this man did?
No.
I guess you're 100% sure of this because you have never seen it before? Or because you're a medical professional? Interesting that many of those who have enough faith in the claims of Darwin can't forsee a brain healing itself...
>>Of course, as always, the porn industry online is ahead of the curve.
>There are few industries with as many curves...
The fact that your comment is modded insightful is also insightful. However, people should keep in mind that whenever comparisons are made to the porn industry, you must remember they deal with an addictive product and are ultimately only motivated by the money (P&L based on revenue generated per body). So, if a "do no evil" Google is more and more compared with the "screw the user" porn industry, that's not a good sign for Google.
Well, you'd have to be a dingbat to think that their IE Google toolbar, Google Desktop, Picasa, Google Earth, Google Desktop Search, Google Video, Google Talk, Google Blogger for MS Word plugin, and their widgets were all developed to run on multiple Windows platforms without a reasonably large userbase installing Windows within Google. Or perhaps they're all using Wine on Linux, right? It doesn't sound like Google to simply chuck all of these products and their updates over the wall to the users who have fairly stringent standards...
So, some loser has a website with stats saying that in the last 6 months, 50 people out of 60000 MS employees visited his website after using Google Search. Never mind the sample size and margin of error... what about the obvious fallacious generalization made that 0.08% somehow represents the Microsoft population? Those 50 people could be Marketing/development employees in the MSN search group or a myriad of other groups. Or some could include a few interns and/or conference attendees and/or contractors and temps. Let's not stoop to specious arguments to bolster our case...
>Luring a developer to code for your products: $100,000 and a BMW.
>Finding out developers still hate you passionately: Priceless
Or perhaps this:
Luring a developer to code for your products: $100,000 and a BMW.
That developer discovering the $100,000 almost covers personal legal fees and finding out the BMW was hacked to run on SCO: Priceless
>>I solved the spam problem a long time ago. It's called 'delete'.
>This solution work for me for a while to. But, after wearing out three keyboards in as many months, I realised that >it was just not cost effective.
Well, then I'd recommend remapping your keyboard settings because it seems your 'o' is worn out, as you misspelled 'to' in "a while to". I was going to recommend message rules filters to save your fingers, but then I realized you should invest in a good spell-checker as you also misspelled "realised". Oh, and the grammar on your first sentence was off, too. And then I saw your home page, and gave up...or "gived up", as it were.
I'm not a politician, but I do think of the danger of such equipment for general sale. Sure, terrorists and other freaks could do kamikazi missions, but the untrained average person will end up crashing these things in every conceivable way or place. Although, when doing a commute by car, I've often thought of how cool it would be if my car (and only my car) could just levitate and jet ahead for a few hundred yards.
I'm not sure what your point is about tying in a politician with a potential situation. Unless if the running assumption is the terrorists are stupid and the politicians are fearmongers. But still, it's a bit of an ad hominem attack on our "beloved" politicians.
Perhaps, they were probably trying to dismantle a botnet and don't really have much of a clue of the more severe malware (Sony rootkits and such). I've done my share of removing malware and it's often the case that 150-300 pieces of malware exist on such a system before it becomes unusable (like "Internet stops working after 5 minutes" or "popups get so extreme I can't stand it" or so on).
However, you should be glad they didn't immediately find a quick fix to the malware, because that would be highly suspicious. It's one thing being ignorant/incompetant, and quite another being malicious and knowing what to do. The question is whether Microsoft is even a few strides behind the malware writers or if they've already been lapped.
Perhaps you would like to mee the Dell Start Page? I must say it's pretty cool and definitely better than the default start page proloaded when you install Firefox. For the non-techy users, it's quite nifty and a definite win for Google...
should help to offset pain and suffering experienced when switching to their service, complete with noise, static, and horrible customer service. Perhaps DELL should offer short opportunities when they have bad experiences with customers...
Well, there are already problems with the Big Bang theory itself, so let's just invent more of them and invent epicycles (ala Ptolemy).
From the Wikipedia article on the Big Bang theory, we find the following: There is no compelling physical model for the first 10-33 seconds of the universe, before the phase transition that grand unification theory predicts. At the "first instant", Einstein's theory of gravitation predicts a gravitational singularity where densities become infinite.
Hey, that's a daily occurence - moving from infinite densities to finite densities. Or maybe that's only in the scientists' heads who speculate so wildly...
I thought Hu rather than Mr. Scott McNealy heard a heckler say, "Your days are numbered." At around the same time, Scott McNealy just read a Chinese fortune cookie saying "according to the sun, your days are numbered." Hu knows why...
Slashdot Mirror
Someone needs to clue you in on this. When Google stock goes up a few percent on news, that doesn't necessarily count. People buy into positive news, but others are ready to sell/take profit once the news is priced in fully. So, let's see in a week...a month...by 2007. You are a bit too hasty in your analysis that they "paid it off" by having the market pay for it. The "loan" comes back with interest, and a few skeptics (like myself) who may be willing to short the stock.
Well, so at least one conservative is up on his logic, and, I must say that there must be something strange going on when those who substitute name-calling (of Busy, Cheney, Rice, MSFT, etc.) for an actual argument are simply posting a subtle ad-hominem dig. That is a fallacy, and yet gets a +5 Interesting/Insightful often enough and sometimes the +5 Informative.
/. seems a little like pissing in the wind and thus it's often easier to complain than to waste one's time with writing up anything eloquent and having it modded -1 "Not Liberal".
I mean with all the colleges that are known to be bastions of liberalism (well, at least anti-conservative to a pretty extreme degree) and the large number of large cities centered around these (re)education centers of learning, it is really quite interesting that there still is so much Red in the USA.
Of course, that just opens up the pundits to proclaim a few more ad hominem fallacies and paint with a broad brush-stroke the conservative thinkers as dumb idiots because they have fewer college degrees. Of course, if getting married and having 3 children were to count for anything in terms of life experience and acquisition of wisdom, then those with college degrees are the stupid ones. Furthermore, it is easy to get paid pretty well to sit in an ivory tower of "learning" and criticize the world and present grandiose ideas, and quite another to live in the real world with a spouse and children and have to work hard through it all.
Oh, and before people line up and label me an average idiot, let me just mention I have a BS and MS degree at age 24, and I am not married and have no children (and thus not tooting my own horn on the marriage/children thing). I had a minor in college in Philosophy and yet lamented that my school stopped teaching and started with propaganda disguised as "discussion". Ironically, my religious classical-focused high school education in Logic, Latin, Rhetoric, Literature and Philosophy taught me more about cogent and fallacious arguments in a 7th-grade Logic course than I learned in my 400-level college course. Furthermore, I covered more and learned more about philosophy in 11th/12th grades than I did in my entire minor.
However, trying to post "conservative drivel" on
PFI_Optix, you have in #3 confused the terms microevolution and macroevolution. Most creationists would accept microevolution (within the species) but would reject macroevolution (speciation, change into new species).
I believe by simply lumping it all under "evolution", you are presenting an argument that confuses the issue at best or deceives ignorant individuals at worst. I've seen quite a few make this very argument, but it is unconvincing to a creationist who has done some research.
Of course, empirically speaking, microevolution happens ALL THE TIME, but macroevolution theories continue to evolve (from the synthesis model of evolution to the punctuated equilibrium model to the next big thing) because they refer to evolution between species, where observation is nil and evidence is debatable (at least between creationists and "evolutionists").
I guess this would qualify as the evolutionary-friendly rebuttal...?
It's good to know /. is trying to pick up some news stories ahead of time. Unfortunately, we won't exactly live on earth to see what happens in a few billion years. All +5 Informative/Insightful should really get a -1 Clueless. Unless if you've been around for the past few billion years...
Speaking of poor logic, your examples tend to fall short in the very area you are trying to bolster:
Genetic differences disallowing breeding between closely related sub-species of birds mean that the birds lost some genetic information that allowed them to breed. This in fact happens among humans where there is great pollution or other factors (chemicals, etc.) that effect reproductive abilities. So, this means that some of these birds cannot mate and produce offspring. That is not evolution in the sense of simple beings evolving into higher life forms but rather "devolution" or genetic loss of information and decay in the gene structure.
The same goes for your population of fish. They "lost the ability to interbreed" which is a genetic loss of information - this happens all the time when you are subjected to a severe environment which hampers the ability to reproduce or move effectively, etc. This is not evolution in the sense of snail to ape to human.
I know of people who are against Darwin's evolution and are agnostic and could produce their names if you so desire. Some members of the Intelligent Design movement are agnostics, for example. The fact is that all people have an agenda, and you demonstrated yours by putting all religious people into a nice stereotype - namely, "people with problems." For someone trying to defend logic, you really should have done a better job.
Which is why I waited to buy the Macbook after a few months. I just got one recently after most of the issues had surfaced with it. I'm not really a beta tester for their hardware, but considering the relatively recent release of this thing, I'm very pleasantly surprised. Plus, there may appear a greater volume of issues because Apple has been selling more laptops than ever before...
I just bought a MacBook! It looks like there is someone attempting to standardize development of viruses to run across multiple platforms! Next thing you know, they may use Java inside the rootkit because of its famed interoperability! That massive download spike you're seeing is the loading of the latest JVM. One question - I have BOot C@mp installed and am wondering if someone can hack into that even though I'm currently not even running that OS. Now that would be sweet!
They'll get your first point. But they won't get your second point. Yeah, it's a real downer that you have to pay for an over-priced bit of pop crap from the likes of Jessica Simpson. I think I'll wait for phase 2...at $1.50 max. This is considerably crappy considering I just bought a new wrapped CD on eBay for $1 plus $2 shipping. So, would you like an MP3 for $2 or 12 for $3? Hmmm....
No, just give me the gadget! Must have handouts before friends... Don't worry, most /. preferred gadgets aren't going to be best sellers in the mainstream.
90 petabytes really doesn't seem all that much these days for 450K machines. Let's say you have 500-750 GB per machine. That's roughly 144K machines.
>>Of course, as always, the porn industry online is ahead of the curve.
>There are few industries with as many curves...
The fact that your comment is modded insightful is also insightful. However, people should keep in mind that whenever comparisons are made to the porn industry, you must remember they deal with an addictive product and are ultimately only motivated by the money (P&L based on revenue generated per body). So, if a "do no evil" Google is more and more compared with the "screw the user" porn industry, that's not a good sign for Google.
Well, you'd have to be a dingbat to think that their IE Google toolbar, Google Desktop, Picasa, Google Earth, Google Desktop Search, Google Video, Google Talk, Google Blogger for MS Word plugin, and their widgets were all developed to run on multiple Windows platforms without a reasonably large userbase installing Windows within Google. Or perhaps they're all using Wine on Linux, right? It doesn't sound like Google to simply chuck all of these products and their updates over the wall to the users who have fairly stringent standards...
So, some loser has a website with stats saying that in the last 6 months, 50 people out of 60000 MS employees visited his website after using Google Search. Never mind the sample size and margin of error... what about the obvious fallacious generalization made that 0.08% somehow represents the Microsoft population? Those 50 people could be Marketing/development employees in the MSN search group or a myriad of other groups. Or some could include a few interns and/or conference attendees and/or contractors and temps. Let's not stoop to specious arguments to bolster our case...
>Luring a developer to code for your products: $100,000 and a BMW.
>Finding out developers still hate you passionately: Priceless
Or perhaps this:
Luring a developer to code for your products: $100,000 and a BMW.
That developer discovering the $100,000 almost covers personal legal fees and finding out the BMW was hacked to run on SCO: Priceless
It's sad if working with a company like SCO is considered "losing your soul." The mangling of the passage is not necessary...
>>I solved the spam problem a long time ago. It's called 'delete'.
>This solution work for me for a while to. But, after wearing out three keyboards in as many months, I realised that
>it was just not cost effective.
Well, then I'd recommend remapping your keyboard settings because it seems your 'o' is worn out, as you misspelled 'to' in "a while to". I was going to recommend message rules filters to save your fingers, but then I realized you should invest in a good spell-checker as you also misspelled "realised". Oh, and the grammar on your first sentence was off, too. And then I saw your home page, and gave up...or "gived up", as it were.
I'm not a politician, but I do think of the danger of such equipment for general sale. Sure, terrorists and other freaks could do kamikazi missions, but the untrained average person will end up crashing these things in every conceivable way or place. Although, when doing a commute by car, I've often thought of how cool it would be if my car (and only my car) could just levitate and jet ahead for a few hundred yards.
I'm not sure what your point is about tying in a politician with a potential situation. Unless if the running assumption is the terrorists are stupid and the politicians are fearmongers. But still, it's a bit of an ad hominem attack on our "beloved" politicians.
Perhaps, they were probably trying to dismantle a botnet and don't really have much of a clue of the more severe malware (Sony rootkits and such). I've done my share of removing malware and it's often the case that 150-300 pieces of malware exist on such a system before it becomes unusable (like "Internet stops working after 5 minutes" or "popups get so extreme I can't stand it" or so on).
However, you should be glad they didn't immediately find a quick fix to the malware, because that would be highly suspicious. It's one thing being ignorant/incompetant, and quite another being malicious and knowing what to do. The question is whether Microsoft is even a few strides behind the malware writers or if they've already been lapped.
Perhaps you would like to mee the Dell Start Page? I must say it's pretty cool and definitely better than the default start page proloaded when you install Firefox. For the non-techy users, it's quite nifty and a definite win for Google...
should help to offset pain and suffering experienced when switching to their service, complete with noise, static, and horrible customer service. Perhaps DELL should offer short opportunities when they have bad experiences with customers...
Well, there are already problems with the Big Bang theory itself, so let's just invent more of them and invent epicycles (ala Ptolemy).
From the Wikipedia article on the Big Bang theory, we find the following:
There is no compelling physical model for the first 10-33 seconds of the universe, before the phase transition that grand unification theory predicts. At the "first instant", Einstein's theory of gravitation predicts a gravitational singularity where densities become infinite.
Hey, that's a daily occurence - moving from infinite densities to finite densities. Or maybe that's only in the scientists' heads who speculate so wildly...
A few more gems:
Bs
Looking for Bs?
Find exactly what you want today.
www.eBay.com
Weapons
Looking for Weapons?
Find exactly what you want today.
www.eBay.com
GET YOUR BODY PARTS NOW!
Body Parts
Whatever you're looking for
you can get it on eBay.
www.eBay.com
Body parts
New York City's Online Local Search
Find Body Parts Here!
www.local.com
New York, NY
Body Parts
Only $12.99 (or order used).
Qualified orders over $25 ship free
Amazon.com
Funny Money
Whatever you're looking for
you can get it on eBay.
www.eBay.com
Did someone say Apple? Well, maybe they don't want to do the whole rental thing, but they very easily could... Dan
I thought Hu rather than Mr. Scott McNealy heard a heckler say, "Your days are numbered." At around the same time, Scott McNealy just read a Chinese fortune cookie saying "according to the sun, your days are numbered." Hu knows why...