It's not like PvP in WoW isn't incredibly carebear in the first place. Where is the consequence of death? "OMG DURABILITY LOSS WTFPWNDBBQ!!1!eleven" Oh wait, you don't get durability loss in PvP. You don't lose XP. You don't drop items. There is absolutely no consequence at all.
I wonder how cocky you would be if your body could be cleaned of all it's "phat lewt" upon death. Howabout a XP loss? Or even better, Permadeath.
Face it, WoW is a carebear game no matter what server type you play. You're just in denial.
Eve is a great game as well, but it has it's own issues. It's HEAVY reliance on player driven content is a problem. It sucks to log on and have NOTHING to do, because there's noone around to fight, or so many that undocking would be suicide. The PvE content is very basic, altho it's better now than it used to be. (Complexes can be alot of fun) Group PvE is very basic, with no real fleet tactics. PvP is fun, but usually ends up with two fleets sitting on either side of the gate with noone engaging. Alliance politics gets REALLY annoying. Manufacture and trade on a high level is a logistic nightmare.
I've played the game since release, and have tried all of these things. (Was a member of Curse Alliance for 99% of it's lifespan) I've run a production corp in excess of 75 active members, and we even tried to get a jump on the component manufacture market when starbases were released.
Took a break, and now I play WoW. Simplicity has it's advantages.
However my Eve characters are still active and training, and my main passed the 20mil Skillpoint mark last week. Battleship 5 doesn't seem so far off...
Just becuase there are more than you, doesn't mean I should want to put up with you. I PvP on the normal servers with normal people who can have a conversation without personal insults.
There is a quest line (Test of knowledge, I think) that ends up putting you into one of the instances to steal a book. When you go to turn it in, the quest guy TAKES the book, then asks you a question based on its content.
If you're wrong, he curses you so that for the next 30 minutes no NPC of your faction will speak to you. Believe me, you want to get it right.
Unfortunately, quests like this are few and far between, but they ARE present. Just needs to be more of them.
I've Beta'ed Guild Wars, and currently play WoW. Both are great games in completely different ways.
WoW is stronger in the traditional MMO/PvE content. Especially once they flesh out the end-game a bit more. Hardcore dungeon crawls, raids, etc. Guild Wars has none of this. (PvE is on a much smaller scale in GW)
Guild Wars really shines on the PvP front. The entire purpose of the PvE segment is simply to get you up to speed to PvP. Most of a characters development isn't vertical, it's horizontal. (Quick run to 20, then spend time fleshing out your arsenal of abilities) And the skill system leads to plenty of variety and strategy in combat.
Honestly, comparing the two doesn't make sense. They're different types of games, with different goals.
I don't think Bliz invented the idea. I'm quite positive I've heard about similar systems for high end loot in EQ. (forgot the terminology they used, but it amounted to the same thing. Bound to the character who looted it)
How many of those people line up to buy that video card on release day?
I wasn't expecting blowout sales on the PSP on day one because of it's real target market. $250 for a handheld is a bit expensive, and people will hesitate to buy the thing. Plus, it's aimed at an older group than Nintendo's handhelds. People less prone to impulse buying. I'll more than likely own a PSP by the end of the week after seeing the one a co-worker bought, and I'm sure many other potential customers will be the same way.
I think the PSP will do very well with consistent sales.
There is NO end game for WOW except PvP and Battlegrounds. New game or not they should have had enough in place to satisfy the players. Instead they released before they were done, again a common theme, and have decided to let the players sit and spin until they get the updates out.
Unlike most MMO's, WoW actually has content before the endgame, and it has a heckuva lot of it. The only reason I play WoW is because the game starts at 1, not 60. Remember, it's relatively easy to add content to the end game. It's much harder to fill in the middle. Dire Maul should keep people busy for a few weeks before it's maxed out, and there is still existing endgame content that hasn't been done. (Ragnaros?)
Agreed. There is still endgame content to do. (especially with the addition or Dire Maul) Plus, WoW seems to have a LOT more content from 1-60 compared to other MMO's. IMO a smart move on their part. Yeah, there's less endgame content. However, you can easily add stuff to the endgame, while fleshing out the early portions would be much more complicated.
As an aside, Wish is now defunct. Story [ign.com]. Its point of distinction was one contiguous world that all subscribers would share. This is a true MMO in my opinion. We surmise that their subscriber base in beta did not survive sustainability projections, so in the end it was a casualty of simple finances.
You mean, like Eve Online has done for the past few years? (One shard at least, the contiguous part is debatable because of zoning between systems)
I wonder if the lower tech lighting in HL2 is an engine restriction, or a developer decision. I would hope that dynamic lighting capabilities are part of the Source engine, and Valve simply didn't use them in HL2 for the sake of playability.
It would be very short sighted of Valve to NOT include next-gen capabilities into their next-gen engine.
Wow, a company has an opportunity to make money, and takes it. If you don't think it's worth the price, don't buy it. If enough people agree with you then they don't make money. If people are willing to pay, then they did the right thing.
Businesses are not here as a charity to you. They try and make money. It doesn't matter how many billions of dollars Microsoft has made on windows/Halo/Halo2 sales. They are not expected to give stuff away for free because they've been successful.
Again, if you don't like it, don't give them your money. You have the ultimate power as a consumer to decide where your money goes.
Sure, they aren't super current and they were never huge, but they were a big enough band that their catalog should be available.
Honestly, I would expect it to be EASIER to provide access to older/more obscure albums with an online distrobution scheme. It's not like you have to start pressing more discs. There is the initial cost to get the master recordings digitized and encoded, but once thats done there are no further distribution costs. (Besides bandwidth)
It's hard to justify re-releasing an album if only a couple thousand people will buy it. Making it available for free download is much more viable.
Plus, where is the downside to releasing out of print albums online for paid download? There are no physical sales. I'm sure the labels have TONS of stuff in their archives that people would kill to have access to.
Possibly a market that the labels haven't considered yet?
NWN is a great game, and a great toolset. BUT, (you saw it coming) it simply way too restrictive compared to PnP roleplaying.
Some of the most memorable moments from roleplaying were because of the creativity of the players and GM. Especially on-the-fly. In NWN you are restricted by the module and the system. In PnP you're restricted by imagination and GM discretion.
If players are fighting over rules, something has gone wrong with the players/GM.
I don't see a computer program giving as much flexibility as PnP anytime in the near future. It simply bogs things down.
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I don't play WoW to PvP. There are better games for that. (Like Eve) However, I still do a LOT of cross faction PvP on my normal server.
(sigh)
It's not like PvP in WoW isn't incredibly carebear in the first place. Where is the consequence of death? "OMG DURABILITY LOSS WTFPWNDBBQ!!1!eleven" Oh wait, you don't get durability loss in PvP. You don't lose XP. You don't drop items. There is absolutely no consequence at all.
I wonder how cocky you would be if your body could be cleaned of all it's "phat lewt" upon death. Howabout a XP loss? Or even better, Permadeath.
Face it, WoW is a carebear game no matter what server type you play. You're just in denial.
I picked up my first console game in years this week. God of War for PS2.
I forgot how nice it is to chill on a couch and game...
Eve is a great game as well, but it has it's own issues. It's HEAVY reliance on player driven content is a problem. It sucks to log on and have NOTHING to do, because there's noone around to fight, or so many that undocking would be suicide. The PvE content is very basic, altho it's better now than it used to be. (Complexes can be alot of fun) Group PvE is very basic, with no real fleet tactics. PvP is fun, but usually ends up with two fleets sitting on either side of the gate with noone engaging. Alliance politics gets REALLY annoying. Manufacture and trade on a high level is a logistic nightmare.
I've played the game since release, and have tried all of these things. (Was a member of Curse Alliance for 99% of it's lifespan) I've run a production corp in excess of 75 active members, and we even tried to get a jump on the component manufacture market when starbases were released.
Took a break, and now I play WoW. Simplicity has it's advantages.
However my Eve characters are still active and training, and my main passed the 20mil Skillpoint mark last week. Battleship 5 doesn't seem so far off...
Just becuase there are more than you, doesn't mean I should want to put up with you. I PvP on the normal servers with normal people who can have a conversation without personal insults.
I love to PvP, but I hate PvP'ers like you.
There is a quest line (Test of knowledge, I think) that ends up putting you into one of the instances to steal a book. When you go to turn it in, the quest guy TAKES the book, then asks you a question based on its content.
If you're wrong, he curses you so that for the next 30 minutes no NPC of your faction will speak to you. Believe me, you want to get it right.
Unfortunately, quests like this are few and far between, but they ARE present. Just needs to be more of them.
I've Beta'ed Guild Wars, and currently play WoW. Both are great games in completely different ways.
WoW is stronger in the traditional MMO/PvE content. Especially once they flesh out the end-game a bit more. Hardcore dungeon crawls, raids, etc. Guild Wars has none of this. (PvE is on a much smaller scale in GW)
Guild Wars really shines on the PvP front. The entire purpose of the PvE segment is simply to get you up to speed to PvP. Most of a characters development isn't vertical, it's horizontal. (Quick run to 20, then spend time fleshing out your arsenal of abilities) And the skill system leads to plenty of variety and strategy in combat.
Honestly, comparing the two doesn't make sense. They're different types of games, with different goals.
Crap, ignore that link. It doesn't go where I thought it did. (Reading is Fundamental)
Thats what I get for not checking my links. Sorry.
Dude, the submitter simply quoted that text from the article.
http://www.rif.com/
So basically, you want to turn a MMOFPS back into a traditional FPS...
Of course, the entire European Server Administration Team spent weeks on that webpage.
I don't think Bliz invented the idea. I'm quite positive I've heard about similar systems for high end loot in EQ. (forgot the terminology they used, but it amounted to the same thing. Bound to the character who looted it)
How many of those people line up to buy that video card on release day?
I wasn't expecting blowout sales on the PSP on day one because of it's real target market. $250 for a handheld is a bit expensive, and people will hesitate to buy the thing. Plus, it's aimed at an older group than Nintendo's handhelds. People less prone to impulse buying. I'll more than likely own a PSP by the end of the week after seeing the one a co-worker bought, and I'm sure many other potential customers will be the same way.
I think the PSP will do very well with consistent sales.
A MMO set in the KOTOR era would definitely be the way to go. Armies of Jedi vs armies of Sith...
Yes there are! And all their names end in ".jpg" or ".gif"
Heh, I went from Eve to WoW. Ironically, Eve is NOTHING like traditional MMO's, so I'm not sure how your WoW experience helped ya.
Eve is a great game, but I got bored after two years of it... (still got my characters training away)
Agreed. There is still endgame content to do. (especially with the addition or Dire Maul) Plus, WoW seems to have a LOT more content from 1-60 compared to other MMO's. IMO a smart move on their part. Yeah, there's less endgame content. However, you can easily add stuff to the endgame, while fleshing out the early portions would be much more complicated.
I wonder if the lower tech lighting in HL2 is an engine restriction, or a developer decision. I would hope that dynamic lighting capabilities are part of the Source engine, and Valve simply didn't use them in HL2 for the sake of playability.
It would be very short sighted of Valve to NOT include next-gen capabilities into their next-gen engine.
Anyone know for sure?
So if they don't like my video card I don't get the map? Thats kinda lame...
I'd like to play around with it even if it's a laggy mess on my system.
Wow, a company has an opportunity to make money, and takes it. If you don't think it's worth the price, don't buy it. If enough people agree with you then they don't make money. If people are willing to pay, then they did the right thing.
Businesses are not here as a charity to you. They try and make money. It doesn't matter how many billions of dollars Microsoft has made on windows/Halo/Halo2 sales. They are not expected to give stuff away for free because they've been successful.
Again, if you don't like it, don't give them your money. You have the ultimate power as a consumer to decide where your money goes.
It's hard to justify re-releasing an album if only a couple thousand people will buy it. Making it available for free download is much more viable.
Plus, where is the downside to releasing out of print albums online for paid download? There are no physical sales. I'm sure the labels have TONS of stuff in their archives that people would kill to have access to.
Possibly a market that the labels haven't considered yet?
Yup, it's not a random sample. Generally any survey that is "opt-in" is going to be biased.
For this to be accurate they would need to take a random sample of EVERYONE who purchased a console.
NWN is a great game, and a great toolset. BUT, (you saw it coming) it simply way too restrictive compared to PnP roleplaying.
Some of the most memorable moments from roleplaying were because of the creativity of the players and GM. Especially on-the-fly. In NWN you are restricted by the module and the system. In PnP you're restricted by imagination and GM discretion.
If players are fighting over rules, something has gone wrong with the players/GM.
I don't see a computer program giving as much flexibility as PnP anytime in the near future. It simply bogs things down.