Yeah, America is more than just the US, but to tell the truth I am content to be dissassociated with 'America' these days. Let our friends to the south have their fun, and lay claim to all of the western world...
I'm Canadian too, and after reading your several previous posts of complete and utter bullshit I do hope you will stop representing your self as Canadian. It's fucking embarassing.
Canada isn't in the Iraq war yet muslim extremists are still tyring to behead our prime-minister
I can understand why they don't like him. He's a ultra-rightwing fucktard just like his counterpart to the south. And BTW, our troops are in Afghanistan, which I'm sure pisses off the extremists.
These people who're commiting this treason were born and raised in Canada, and are from upper class homes.
Holy argumentum in terrorem and blatant overgeneralization Batman!
and the freedom to force their wives to cover their faces in public.
And women connot become part of the Catholic clergy. What's your fucking point. Live and let live. Don't like it, don't fucking join them, but respect their right to practice their culture.
One would think that lower class inner city youths would have more reason to blow up subway stations than some upper class muslim law students.
How the hell does that stand to reason? I'm poor, can I blow up your house? Newsflash: Muslim does not mean terrorist. Arabic does not mean extremist. The terrible actions of a few people cannot mean that everybody must give up their freedoms. What about this jackass that just shot up Dawson College? Littleton CO? Shall we wage a war on 'goths'? The amount of deaths by terrorism are statistically insignificant next to death from smoking cigarettes. Still totally legal. Automobile accidents...shall we outlaw cars? Heart disease from poor diets? McDonalds is still open and advertising their wares. What exactly do you think the war on terrorism is protecting us from? It sure as hell isn't to prevent our deaths. Sure, fight the Taliban. Fight Al-Queda. But don't fucking throw all our freedoms in the toilet in the process. I suppose you're one of those dinks that thinks it's all fair and good to force us to take a colon exam just to get on a fucking plane?
You know what: I want to live in a free society. I'll take the risk of getting wasted by a terrorist.
You might also want to look into moving to a different country
Yes, I can see it now. Much like Vietnam draft-dodgers and the negro slaves years before them, Canada will be a safe haven for RIAA lawsuit victims on the run via the underground railway...
You are biased, or we wouldn't be having this conversation.
Well then by your logic we are both biased. I don't think I am biased. I don't have an irrational feelings against MP3. You _do_ seem to have problems admiting you are wrong about Oggs.
You wouldn't care.
This is a non sequitur. I wouldn't care about what?
You're frothing at the mouth because someone doesn't think your pet format is the best in all cases.
This is funny. If I am frothing at the mouth, it is because you will not admit you are either wrong, or misspoke. You didn't say Ogg format isn't the best for all cases. I am not arguing that Ogg _is_ the best for all (or even any) cases. Ogg really has nothing to do with it, as I mentioned, I have music in all sorts of formats. Hell, I even have vinyl. I would respond exactly the same if you said _anything_ I know to be patently untrue, like say: "Toyota cars are unsuited for driving at highway speeds". It's bullshit, and I calls 'em as I sees 'em.
Let me lay it down like you're a six year old:
You wrote:
"It's fine on a desktop with a high powered general purpose processor, but less so in a hardware implementation."
I wrote:
"That's bullspit fella. I have a Cowan iAudio full of Oggs and it has zero problems playing them. No jitter, no lag, no anything."
Now: unless you are so deluded as to argue that a Cowan iAudio is a "desktop with a high powered general purpose processor" then I am afraid _you_ are wrong. Period. Exclamation point. Your later remarks about the iAudio not being 'lowend' and a '$20 player' have nothing to do with what you originally said. _You_ are trying to change the meat of your argument. I am not trying to convince you to use Oggs.
Also, don't presume to tell me not to respond. If you want to bail out and take your ball and go home than _you_ can choose not to respond
I'm not particularily biased in either way, but you quite obviously are
No I am not biased. I have no problem with MP3 format. I have plenty of MP3s. I even have some wmas and m4as 'gasp'. I do have issues with you stating that Ogg is not ready for use in portable devices when it is. That's all I have had issue with since the beginning.
Find me a $20 player that can play ogg files, then we'll talk.
I don't want and/or need a $20 dollar player. If you want one find it yourself. Besides, did you ever think you cannot find one because there isn't a market for it? You seem to be getting the impression that I am evangelizing Oggs, I am not. I full-on understand that they are not for everyone. What I have been trying to do since my first response was tell you that your contention that Oggs are only good for desktop computers is bullshit, which it is...
Go read your first comment that I replied to again. You have drifted so far afield from that statement in your two following comments as to lose all credibility. Stop trying to misrepresent what you said.
So what? It's hardly a "desktop with a high powered general purpose processor" either. Look man: You don't like Ogg Vorbis, fine, don't use it, but stop spreading misinformation about something you are obviously biased against. The article is about portable (MP3) music players. You contend that "Ogg doesn't suit the purpose well". Me and two others, who actually have a portable device that plays Oggs say it suits the purpose just fine. Three different players I might add.
Now maybe you had a bad experience with an Ogg player years back, maybe an Ogg player killed your brother, or maybe you're just a troll talking out of your ass. Either way, things change, technology advances, and whether you can cope with it or not, Ogg Vorbis format is perfectly suited for portable music players. Deal with it...
It's fine on a desktop with a high powered general purpose processor, but less so in a hardware implementation.
That's bullspit fella. I have a Cowan iAudio full of Oggs and it has zero problems playing them. No jitter, no lag, no anything. Stop spreading anti-Ogg FUD...
where we at least retain some of the more important aspects of English common law...
...and where the RIAA can sue nameless children and dead people! And where patent laws on trivial 'inventions' can be used for legally-sanctioned blackmail! And where baseless lawsuits can last several years without the slightest hint of evidence as long as they are backed by convicted monopolists!
Well, I mentioned it because it came with the OS...
I think we're pretty far afield from the operating system cost comparison at this point, By the logic you're using here, we should add in the cost of Final Cut Pro into your upgrade costs since it's what you need to make your system do what you want it to.
Heh, no way. I just got Final Cut Express. But even at $450 it was probably the most I have spent on software in my life. My own opinion is that if the cost of software starts reaching up and over the cost of hardware you are getting screwed.
I'm not saying that either OS is overpriced. I actually think that, for what you get, Windows and Mac OS are both pretty cheap.
Yeah, I suppose. Though I can think of at least four more that are cheaper;)
OS X is more expensive. If you like it more, that's cool, but your argument that it's cheaper doesn't hold up.
But I think it does hold up. First of all, I am emphatically not a Mac fanboy, I am linux fanboy. I bought a G5 to do video editing (Linux just isn't there yet) and to just, well, check it out. I'll be honest: I don't really like OS X. Well, I don't like the glossy GUI anyway.
Since I am Canadian, and the 'leaked' prices are in CAD, we'll use that. Tiger is listed for $149[1]. That's what I paid for a box set. I don't have to shell out for Leopard (point in fact I will not) so your "10.2, 10.3, 10.4) at $129 apiece" isn't really valid. That's just for the super fanboys. Windows Vista Ultimate, whatever that means, is $499. I don't know personally but I have gleamed from slashdot here that the home version is basically castrated and you need the premium version to do anything useful. Thats at $299. Still twice as much as OS X. How is windows cheaper again?
OK, now that we have talked dollars and cents, let's talk value. What does Windows come with again? IE, Notepad and a calculator? OS X comes with all that and more! Xcode for one, which is basically a full developers suite of tools including GCC et al. How much is a license for Visual Studio? $1,123.00![2] Ouch. Let's not forget all the industrial strength UNIX software that OS X is bundled with. And with fink you can install pretty much any OSS code written for Unix. I realize there is lots of freeware/OSS ports available for windows too but c'mon...
I think the real question here is how much does it cost to get a useable workstation. And I think OS X wins this handily. Again, I really don't care for OS X that much (the hardware is super-sweet though) but I guess I just don't get your math.
<blockquote> Why do the Beatles not want to make money from that process? </blockquote> <p> Because it is Michael Jackson that will make the money? </p>
Just like films. Do me a favor, go to your nearest Blockbuster and rent any random DVD that you have not seen. Now, instead of playing it all select the "choose chapter" option and watch the chapters in the following order: "5, 4, 7, 3, 1", you skipped chapter 2 and 6 (and if there are more than 7 chapters, all those also). Did the movie made any sense to you?. See, some MUSIC ALBUMS are made the same way.
Fella', your analogy is stretched so far you could slingshot bowling balls to the moon with it. I certainly hope by "some MUSIC ALBUMS" you mean "1 in about 15000 MUSIC ALBUMS".
And even if they were created with the intent of 'linear auditory consumption' it is still nowhere near the amount of confusion you would incur by watching a DVD's chapters out of order. Other posters' 'book' analogies are even worse than yours.
I know when I put, oh lets say, Dark Side of the Moon on shuffle I'm not thinking "What the heck is this 'money' he's talking about? What's a 'gig in the Sky"? Who the frig is on the grass? What the hell is this 'sun' that everythings in tune with? I can't make any sense out of this damn album?!?!?"
Sorry to belabour the point, but geez...if you can't make sense of an album on random you got bigger issues that need taking care of...
Well, my poor wording aside, I was specifically speaking of "my" police. That is, the local RCMP. I suppose I should have prefaced "The Police" with "Around here"... I do understand your point, however.
The Police seem to be somewhat arbitrary on what they will and won't investigate. A recent anecdote from my part of the world (took place in Kelowna BC, Canada) is interesting: A guy goes to a filling station, pumps $100 in gas, and drives away. The gas station has the guy's face, and his license plates clear as day on security video. They phone the police and get told by the RCMP that they will not follow up this seemingly open and shut case, the reason? The RCMP says it is "too much work" to investigate every pump-and-run, and it is the gas station's fault anyway because they don't require payment up front.
Where are the targeted ads? I would have thought they would have a bank of ads down the right-hand side a la gmail. Then, I only looked at the screenie...
Given: the Linux kernel only works with the FSF toolchain (gcc, glibc)
Not strictly true. Linux Journal had an article (9-12 months ago) on the Intel C/C++ Compiler for Linux and they were certainly able to build the kernel.
Ignore the fanboys. I hear what you're saying. I currently have 80GB+ of oggs, and like you say, my own system for managing them and my own scripts that automatically create playlists and html indexes. I DO have a G5 running Mac OS X, and for all the hype Apple talks about "Macs are best for multimedia" I have to respectfully disagree. iTunes seems to want to do things its own way, and it certainly doesn't gel with mine. M4a or Mp3 only? No thanks. Ipod? No thanks, I bought a Cowan iAudio instead, as it does Ogg, mp3, wma, and flac. I have to install third party software just to play oggs, let alone rip to them. No thanks, my music is staying on my Linux box. I need to buy third party codecs to get quicktime to do divx? No thanks.
In fact, about the only thing 'multimedia' I have found my G5 to do better than Linux is import and edit DV video (kino just isn't there yet, and cinelerra is just plain baffling). So, Fanboys: Yes you like iTunes and iPods, they work for you, and you like the way they work. Can you not handle a dissenting opinion without pitching a fit?
Are you talking about the open air concert at Commonwealth stadium? Division Bell tour? I was THERE man.... Yeah... I've no idea what you're talking about though. 'Course I was on a lot of drugs, I mean c'mon. Pink Floyd...Live!
Wow! Gordon Korman, you just gave me a flashback. "No Coins, Please" was my favorite book from age 8-12 or so, and I hadn't thought of it in years. Man I'd love to read that again, and I could probably do it in an hour now!
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Yeah, America is more than just the US, but to tell the truth I am content to be dissassociated with 'America' these days. Let our friends to the south have their fun, and lay claim to all of the western world...
Lame ain't an mp3 encoder. They've nothing to worry about ;)
I'm Canadian too, and after reading your several previous posts of complete and utter bullshit I do hope you will stop representing your self as Canadian. It's fucking embarassing.
I can understand why they don't like him. He's a ultra-rightwing fucktard just like his counterpart to the south. And BTW, our troops are in Afghanistan, which I'm sure pisses off the extremists.
Holy argumentum in terrorem and blatant overgeneralization Batman!
And women connot become part of the Catholic clergy. What's your fucking point. Live and let live. Don't like it, don't fucking join them, but respect their right to practice their culture.
How the hell does that stand to reason? I'm poor, can I blow up your house? Newsflash: Muslim does not mean terrorist. Arabic does not mean extremist. The terrible actions of a few people cannot mean that everybody must give up their freedoms. What about this jackass that just shot up Dawson College? Littleton CO? Shall we wage a war on 'goths'? The amount of deaths by terrorism are statistically insignificant next to death from smoking cigarettes. Still totally legal. Automobile accidents...shall we outlaw cars? Heart disease from poor diets? McDonalds is still open and advertising their wares. What exactly do you think the war on terrorism is protecting us from? It sure as hell isn't to prevent our deaths. Sure, fight the Taliban. Fight Al-Queda. But don't fucking throw all our freedoms in the toilet in the process. I suppose you're one of those dinks that thinks it's all fair and good to force us to take a colon exam just to get on a fucking plane?
You know what: I want to live in a free society. I'll take the risk of getting wasted by a terrorist.
Yes, I can see it now. Much like Vietnam draft-dodgers and the negro slaves years before them, Canada will be a safe haven for RIAA lawsuit victims on the run via the underground railway...
I've got enough couch space for two of you.
Since we're being precise, surely you mean "Metaphors" ;)
Well then by your logic we are both biased. I don't think I am biased. I don't have an irrational feelings against MP3. You _do_ seem to have problems admiting you are wrong about Oggs.
This is a non sequitur. I wouldn't care about what?
This is funny. If I am frothing at the mouth, it is because you will not admit you are either wrong, or misspoke. You didn't say Ogg format isn't the best for all cases. I am not arguing that Ogg _is_ the best for all (or even any) cases. Ogg really has nothing to do with it, as I mentioned, I have music in all sorts of formats. Hell, I even have vinyl. I would respond exactly the same if you said _anything_ I know to be patently untrue, like say: "Toyota cars are unsuited for driving at highway speeds". It's bullshit, and I calls 'em as I sees 'em.
Let me lay it down like you're a six year old:
You wrote:
"It's fine on a desktop with a high powered general purpose processor, but less so in a hardware implementation."
I wrote:
"That's bullspit fella. I have a Cowan iAudio full of Oggs and it has zero problems playing them. No jitter, no lag, no anything."
Now: unless you are so deluded as to argue that a Cowan iAudio is a "desktop with a high powered general purpose processor" then I am afraid _you_ are wrong. Period. Exclamation point. Your later remarks about the iAudio not being 'lowend' and a '$20 player' have nothing to do with what you originally said. _You_ are trying to change the meat of your argument. I am not trying to convince you to use Oggs.
Also, don't presume to tell me not to respond. If you want to bail out and take your ball and go home than _you_ can choose not to respond
No I am not biased. I have no problem with MP3 format. I have plenty of MP3s. I even have some wmas and m4as 'gasp'. I do have issues with you stating that Ogg is not ready for use in portable devices when it is. That's all I have had issue with since the beginning.
I don't want and/or need a $20 dollar player. If you want one find it yourself. Besides, did you ever think you cannot find one because there isn't a market for it? You seem to be getting the impression that I am evangelizing Oggs, I am not. I full-on understand that they are not for everyone. What I have been trying to do since my first response was tell you that your contention that Oggs are only good for desktop computers is bullshit, which it is...
Go read your first comment that I replied to again. You have drifted so far afield from that statement in your two following comments as to lose all credibility. Stop trying to misrepresent what you said.
So what? It's hardly a "desktop with a high powered general purpose processor" either. Look man: You don't like Ogg Vorbis, fine, don't use it, but stop spreading misinformation about something you are obviously biased against. The article is about portable (MP3) music players. You contend that "Ogg doesn't suit the purpose well". Me and two others, who actually have a portable device that plays Oggs say it suits the purpose just fine. Three different players I might add.
Now maybe you had a bad experience with an Ogg player years back, maybe an Ogg player killed your brother, or maybe you're just a troll talking out of your ass. Either way, things change, technology advances, and whether you can cope with it or not, Ogg Vorbis format is perfectly suited for portable music players. Deal with it...
That's bullspit fella. I have a Cowan iAudio full of Oggs and it has zero problems playing them. No jitter, no lag, no anything. Stop spreading anti-Ogg FUD...
Hey, I'm glad you live there too!
Yeah, your system is much better...
Well, I mentioned it because it came with the OS...
Heh, no way. I just got Final Cut Express. But even at $450 it was probably the most I have spent on software in my life. My own opinion is that if the cost of software starts reaching up and over the cost of hardware you are getting screwed.
Yeah, I suppose. Though I can think of at least four more that are cheaper ;)
But I think it does hold up. First of all, I am emphatically not a Mac fanboy, I am linux fanboy. I bought a G5 to do video editing (Linux just isn't there yet) and to just, well, check it out. I'll be honest: I don't really like OS X. Well, I don't like the glossy GUI anyway.
Since I am Canadian, and the 'leaked' prices are in CAD, we'll use that. Tiger is listed for $149[1]. That's what I paid for a box set. I don't have to shell out for Leopard (point in fact I will not) so your "10.2, 10.3, 10.4) at $129 apiece" isn't really valid. That's just for the super fanboys. Windows Vista Ultimate, whatever that means, is $499. I don't know personally but I have gleamed from slashdot here that the home version is basically castrated and you need the premium version to do anything useful. Thats at $299. Still twice as much as OS X. How is windows cheaper again?
OK, now that we have talked dollars and cents, let's talk value. What does Windows come with again? IE, Notepad and a calculator? OS X comes with all that and more! Xcode for one, which is basically a full developers suite of tools including GCC et al. How much is a license for Visual Studio? $1,123.00![2] Ouch. Let's not forget all the industrial strength UNIX software that OS X is bundled with. And with fink you can install pretty much any OSS code written for Unix. I realize there is lots of freeware/OSS ports available for windows too but c'mon...
I think the real question here is how much does it cost to get a useable workstation. And I think OS X wins this handily. Again, I really don't care for OS X that much (the hardware is super-sweet though) but I guess I just don't get your math.
[1] http://www.apple.com/ca/macosx/tiger/ [2] http://msdn.microsoft.com/vstudio/howtobuy/Defaul<blockquote>
Why do the Beatles not want to make money from that process?
</blockquote>
<p>
Because it is Michael Jackson that will make the money?
</p>
Fella', your analogy is stretched so far you could slingshot bowling balls to the moon with it. I certainly hope by "some MUSIC ALBUMS" you mean "1 in about 15000 MUSIC ALBUMS". And even if they were created with the intent of 'linear auditory consumption' it is still nowhere near the amount of confusion you would incur by watching a DVD's chapters out of order. Other posters' 'book' analogies are even worse than yours.
I know when I put, oh lets say, Dark Side of the Moon on shuffle I'm not thinking "What the heck is this 'money' he's talking about? What's a 'gig in the Sky"? Who the frig is on the grass? What the hell is this 'sun' that everythings in tune with? I can't make any sense out of this damn album?!?!?"
Sorry to belabour the point, but geez...if you can't make sense of an album on random you got bigger issues that need taking care of...
Well, my poor wording aside, I was specifically speaking of "my" police. That is, the local RCMP. I suppose I should have prefaced "The Police" with "Around here"...
I do understand your point, however.
It's safe from patent, read the article title again: "Molecules Spontaneously Form Honycomb" Another case of this infamous "off by one" error...
The Police seem to be somewhat arbitrary on what they will and won't investigate. A recent anecdote from my part of the world (took place in Kelowna BC, Canada) is interesting: A guy goes to a filling station, pumps $100 in gas, and drives away. The gas station has the guy's face, and his license plates clear as day on security video. They phone the police and get told by the RCMP that they will not follow up this seemingly open and shut case, the reason? The RCMP says it is "too much work" to investigate every pump-and-run, and it is the gas station's fault anyway because they don't require payment up front.
Where are the targeted ads? I would have thought they would have a bank of ads down the right-hand side a la gmail. Then, I only looked at the screenie...
Not strictly true. Linux Journal had an article (9-12 months ago) on the Intel C/C++ Compiler for Linux and they were certainly able to build the kernel.
Ignore the fanboys. I hear what you're saying. I currently have 80GB+ of oggs, and like you say, my own system for managing them and my own scripts that automatically create playlists and html indexes. I DO have a G5 running Mac OS X, and for all the hype Apple talks about "Macs are best for multimedia" I have to respectfully disagree. iTunes seems to want to do things its own way, and it certainly doesn't gel with mine. M4a or Mp3 only? No thanks. Ipod? No thanks, I bought a Cowan iAudio instead, as it does Ogg, mp3, wma, and flac. I have to install third party software just to play oggs, let alone rip to them. No thanks, my music is staying on my Linux box. I need to buy third party codecs to get quicktime to do divx? No thanks.
In fact, about the only thing 'multimedia' I have found my G5 to do better than Linux is import and edit DV video (kino just isn't there yet, and cinelerra is just plain baffling). So, Fanboys: Yes you like iTunes and iPods, they work for you, and you like the way they work. Can you not handle a dissenting opinion without pitching a fit?
http://www.dell.com/content/products/compare.aspx/ precn_n?c=us&cs=04&l=en&s=bsd
Looks like you have the choice of RHEL or if you prefer, RHEL...
Hey!
Are you talking about the open air concert at Commonwealth stadium? Division Bell tour? I was THERE man.... Yeah...
I've no idea what you're talking about though. 'Course I was on a lot of drugs, I mean c'mon. Pink Floyd...Live!
Think about how smart the average American is and realize that fully 50% of them are dumber than that...
C'mon people...
This wasn't really funny the five separate times it was posted yesterday to the actual article about their "Google" TM..
Wow! Gordon Korman, you just gave me a flashback. "No Coins, Please" was my favorite book from age 8-12 or so, and I hadn't thought of it in years. Man I'd love to read that again, and I could probably do it in an hour now!