True, the fact that windows is bloated does not imply that all other operating systems are bloated. But the fact remains that they are.
There needs to be a differentiation made here between "features" in an OS that are required for it to function properly and can't be removed, and the additional programs provided by an OS maker/developer on the installation medium. Not to slam MS too severely, but one reason their future OS's are becoming to bloated is that they (IMHO) are trying to make all these features function on the majority of modern computers without requiring "add-on" software. Examples: firewall and antivirus programs. While I can chose not to enable those "features" in XP or Vista (so I've read), you can't truly uninstall or delete them. The continued addition of such features in MS OSs leads to this "bloat" and worse, because they're tied directly to the internal workings of OS, it inevitably creates additional security holes waiting to be found and exploited.
Number seven will undoubtably be someone without any critical skills so they can kill him/her off. Just like in Star Trek: the guy that always transported out with the main characters and never came home.
IMHO, it's not the self-conciousness that is so important in this debate....i think it goes into some sort of pre-programmed instinct. Is the robot thing going to try to protect itself from injury either self inflicted (falling down) or from external source (being hit by a car)? What about when its energy supply is low, will it automatically try to recharge, either by eating or plugging in? What other instinctual actions or reactions should these things have?
One solution would be to use the windows-only tax software using WINE...I've found it very compatible with quite a few applications, especially any not requiring DirectX and such. I don't own anything like Quicken or M$Money so I can't test it. But for M$ Windows only applications only available either for a good price or (free as in beer) WINE is often a solution.
Boy are u missing a whole part of the population with your generalizations. I'm nowhere near most of your elitist republican description, but because of your close-mindedness you allude to the same generalities about so-called conservatives that you accuse us of doing when describing the "freaky picture" of a liberal. As for my conservativism, i do think for myself, and found my party to be the one who closest represents my thoughts....the GOP doesn't only represent the rich and greedy....i've got no money in the greedy stock market, I'm not a member of the NRA although I support some of the fight they carry on, although I would like some additional gun control initiatives, but don't take my gun away and finally, I'm two classes short of my B.A. (nearly all night classes after my regular job) so I don't think of myself as some southern hick supportin Dubya....As for political views, why should the federal gov't decide every issue in the country....IMHO, we should be more community (state?) based, so I could chose to move out of a pro-abortion state, or a state that allows or doesn't allow handguns....trying to shoehorn a political agenda on the nation isn't the answer....let folks get involved in local and state politics based on their own beliefs where they could make a difference and make the laws of their community. Let's make the fed gov responsible for a strong defense, international trade regulation, and return all the remaining tax dollars to the states to fund what we as a community see fit, and not necessarily my "conservative" and your "liberal" agenda. (steps off soapbox, puts on flame suit)
How about seeing Google as a business, and this being a next step in providing information, while making money off of side ads...this only further entrenches Google in the information provider environment and makes good business sense, and shows innovative thought....the key questions deal with the costs/methods to access the library's works and the format of searching for and viewing the data. Also, if this is linked to the scholar.google searches I see it as a step forward for anyone doing research, especially on uncommon topics where limited resources exist.
I have some disagreement with what you're saying. As an SuSE user as well, I do think linux software installation has to make further strides. If you install off the CD or online via FTP, then most, if not all, the software works without major problems on a pretty modern machine. But as new versions of software comes out, and you try to install of an downloaded RPM, you may still have "dependency" issues and may have to uninstall some other program which uses a different version of a some lib. That's the most annoying thing I've found that still needs work in most all linux distro's, not just SuSE. A new user expecting some type of plug and play (or insert and play) and then advances to the point of trying to install some desired program via RPM and starts getting hit with dep errors will have a steep learning curve not very well addressed in most texts or newsgroups. There are solutions (apt, etc) but we aren't quite there yet.
While the OS is probably fine for the current generation of PDA's, several underlying reasons for this change might exist...first, by using the "free as in beer" linux kernel instead of a non-open source competitor, they might be saving money on licensing costs. Secondly, since the original kernel is already written, the "owners" might not be willing to invest much into new features, whereas funding the development of new features might prove cost effective. Whatever the reason, money certainly comes into play.
The point of such release candidates is to have people unaffiliated with the normal testing cycle give the software a try. Of course if you want a finalized product which shouldn't ever crash, then wait for the official 1.0 release...if you're willing to help the developers put out the best possible product, use the new software, push the limit on the number of open tabs or windows, and if/when there's problems, try to duplicate the problem and report back to the developers.
Speculation abounds...I'm currently running SuSE 9.1 Personal (free as in beer, download edition) on a Dell Latitude CP laptop with 64mb ram, 233mhz processor....using wireless lan pcmcia card (dlink dwl-650 (atheros chipset)).....no i don't play 3d games on it, but for checkin email and/. while watchin movies with my wife instead of sitting in a computer room, it works great. Bought it cheap on ebay for just a experimental project on running a linux-based router and firewall system....really liked size and functionality so I just kept using it. Had to read about and play a bit with wireless settings, but that's what free linux is all about. Pay for the boxed edition and u can get call in tech support.
Please mod me down for not checkin the facts...the "free" spymac accounts are 'only' 1GB...the 3gb are for pay accounts...the free accounts are available on this page. http://www.spymac.com/world.php
sorry for whatever.
I'm quite happy with my gmail, but for those wanting something different in the "large" email category, try spymac....yes u gotta put a www and a.com on it....i believe they're up to 3gb of storage with IMAP, POP3, and SMTP access...
I got a maxtor or fujitsu (not currently accessible) HD (540MB) from a friend and it has a pencil eraser sized burn mark on the visible circuit card along with what i would guess is a missing surface mount resistor or capacitor, and it still works fine...i keep it in a removable tray to swap large files between computers (no network, don't ask).
The current system works fine
That can be said about anything. Open Source BIOS would allow people interested in doing so to decide on their own BIOS settings such as chipset speeds etc. The main people against this are the chip manufacturers who make loads of chips that actually function at a higher speed than they are labeled. Its simply a cheaper way to manufacture them. Once I buy it, however, it's mine (like software). And if I would like to configure it the way I want to do so, then that's my choice. I'm all for at least allowing the co-existance of open source alternatives, and let the consumer decide.
This is obviously gonna be a long term problem for future repairs and such....why can't have the shuttle mission go and move the HST near the ISS...then we could have ISS-based spacewalks (when the suits work) to go repair/upgrade HST...is there something about HST's location that's particularly special? Given the choice of no HST or a repositioned one with slightly less cabability the choice is obvious.
But Dell already has this experience with regard to providing this kind of support...They sold desktops and Servers not long ago with Redhat installed...this is probably a localized deal with their Italian partner Questar...the MS feelings in Europe are different compared to the feelings in the U.S. and the market in Italy is probably more ripe for such an offer.
Yea, great idea those sensors on the fridge....then we can have itemized billing as the coke (or ensure) passes by an RFID sensor...oh no, the can went back in...is it empty or half full?....oh well, we'll charge 'em anyway cause they opened the door and let the cold out.
Some of the quality control has already been done if only we'd examine others who've been trying this. An open source version is being used, and the interest there was for the same reason we had: a close election that had a separation of only a few votes. Check out http://www.wired.com/news/ebiz/0,1272,61045,00.htm
Well, i'm in Iraq now, and the infrastructure is in poor shape in many areas, but the cities are getting around 4-16 hours of electricty each day and fresh water is available in most areas too....the main roads and highways are mostly ok too, some potholes, but i've seen worse in ohio and pennsylvania!...there is however a booming (no pun intended) computer market in baghdad, and there's been a couple of reporters who mentioned they can get some kind of dsl service there at like 256k....there's also a linux users group at http://www.iraqilinux.org/...u only hear the bad things on the news, but we (the iraqis and us) have been able to reopen like 1200 schools, the hospitals, and even the colleges. Entrepreneurs are opening up shops again, and they should get their IQ domain back....
Isn't there E-Gov legislation that is supposed to ensure free access to government information. As a gov't agency, the NWS/NOAA should provide the data to anyone that asks. Maybe i'll start a private company providing accurate time, and put time.gov out of business...Has anyone patented providing time over the internet....there's money to be made here somewhere.
Now that emails are used in court as evidence, ISPs or Webmail providers should never auto delete emails....ISPs should at least offer a link to a quarantine folder and let u choose to delete or not...Webmail services could generate an automatic folder called SPAM? that users could review occasionally if they want to rule out any misfiled emails. With the results others are getting with SpamAssassin, I would appreciate some filtering especially for my Webmail account...The filters currently used by several of my Webmail account providers certainly don't catch anywhere near the percentage of spam like those reported here.
I'm glad u got the joke, it was all meant to be funny, which is why i replied to a funny, thread; but at least i'm not an anonymou$ coward (oops, i did it again)....and yep MS is in the business of makin money, and as the consumer, I opt not to give them any of mine...ain't capitalism grand?
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With all the stacking and close proximity, is heat a problem?
Actually, I think you're kinda new here.
True, the fact that windows is bloated does not imply that all other operating systems are bloated. But the fact remains that they are.
There needs to be a differentiation made here between "features" in an OS that are required for it to function properly and can't be removed, and the additional programs provided by an OS maker/developer on the installation medium. Not to slam MS too severely, but one reason their future OS's are becoming to bloated is that they (IMHO) are trying to make all these features function on the majority of modern computers without requiring "add-on" software. Examples: firewall and antivirus programs. While I can chose not to enable those "features" in XP or Vista (so I've read), you can't truly uninstall or delete them. The continued addition of such features in MS OSs leads to this "bloat" and worse, because they're tied directly to the internal workings of OS, it inevitably creates additional security holes waiting to be found and exploited.
Flame protection suit on.
Number seven will undoubtably be someone without any critical skills so they can kill him/her off. Just like in Star Trek: the guy that always transported out with the main characters and never came home.
IMHO, it's not the self-conciousness that is so important in this debate....i think it goes into some sort of pre-programmed instinct. Is the robot thing going to try to protect itself from injury either self inflicted (falling down) or from external source (being hit by a car)? What about when its energy supply is low, will it automatically try to recharge, either by eating or plugging in? What other instinctual actions or reactions should these things have?
One solution would be to use the windows-only tax software using WINE...I've found it very compatible with quite a few applications, especially any not requiring DirectX and such. I don't own anything like Quicken or M$Money so I can't test it. But for M$ Windows only applications only available either for a good price or (free as in beer) WINE is often a solution.
Boy are u missing a whole part of the population with your generalizations. I'm nowhere near most of your elitist republican description, but because of your close-mindedness you allude to the same generalities about so-called conservatives that you accuse us of doing when describing the "freaky picture" of a liberal. As for my conservativism, i do think for myself, and found my party to be the one who closest represents my thoughts....the GOP doesn't only represent the rich and greedy....i've got no money in the greedy stock market, I'm not a member of the NRA although I support some of the fight they carry on, although I would like some additional gun control initiatives, but don't take my gun away and finally, I'm two classes short of my B.A. (nearly all night classes after my regular job) so I don't think of myself as some southern hick supportin Dubya....As for political views, why should the federal gov't decide every issue in the country....IMHO, we should be more community (state?) based, so I could chose to move out of a pro-abortion state, or a state that allows or doesn't allow handguns....trying to shoehorn a political agenda on the nation isn't the answer....let folks get involved in local and state politics based on their own beliefs where they could make a difference and make the laws of their community. Let's make the fed gov responsible for a strong defense, international trade regulation, and return all the remaining tax dollars to the states to fund what we as a community see fit, and not necessarily my "conservative" and your "liberal" agenda. (steps off soapbox, puts on flame suit)
How about seeing Google as a business, and this being a next step in providing information, while making money off of side ads...this only further entrenches Google in the information provider environment and makes good business sense, and shows innovative thought....the key questions deal with the costs/methods to access the library's works and the format of searching for and viewing the data. Also, if this is linked to the scholar.google searches I see it as a step forward for anyone doing research, especially on uncommon topics where limited resources exist.
I have some disagreement with what you're saying. As an SuSE user as well, I do think linux software installation has to make further strides. If you install off the CD or online via FTP, then most, if not all, the software works without major problems on a pretty modern machine. But as new versions of software comes out, and you try to install of an downloaded RPM, you may still have "dependency" issues and may have to uninstall some other program which uses a different version of a some lib. That's the most annoying thing I've found that still needs work in most all linux distro's, not just SuSE. A new user expecting some type of plug and play (or insert and play) and then advances to the point of trying to install some desired program via RPM and starts getting hit with dep errors will have a steep learning curve not very well addressed in most texts or newsgroups. There are solutions (apt, etc) but we aren't quite there yet.
While the OS is probably fine for the current generation of PDA's, several underlying reasons for this change might exist...first, by using the "free as in beer" linux kernel instead of a non-open source competitor, they might be saving money on licensing costs. Secondly, since the original kernel is already written, the "owners" might not be willing to invest much into new features, whereas funding the development of new features might prove cost effective. Whatever the reason, money certainly comes into play.
The point of such release candidates is to have people unaffiliated with the normal testing cycle give the software a try. Of course if you want a finalized product which shouldn't ever crash, then wait for the official 1.0 release...if you're willing to help the developers put out the best possible product, use the new software, push the limit on the number of open tabs or windows, and if/when there's problems, try to duplicate the problem and report back to the developers.
Speculation abounds...I'm currently running SuSE 9.1 Personal (free as in beer, download edition) on a Dell Latitude CP laptop with 64mb ram, 233mhz processor....using wireless lan pcmcia card (dlink dwl-650 (atheros chipset)).....no i don't play 3d games on it, but for checkin email and /. while watchin movies with my wife instead of sitting in a computer room, it works great. Bought it cheap on ebay for just a experimental project on running a linux-based router and firewall system....really liked size and functionality so I just kept using it. Had to read about and play a bit with wireless settings, but that's what free linux is all about. Pay for the boxed edition and u can get call in tech support.
Please mod me down for not checkin the facts...the "free" spymac accounts are 'only' 1GB...the 3gb are for pay accounts...the free accounts are available on this page.
http://www.spymac.com/world.php
sorry for whatever.
I'm quite happy with my gmail, but for those wanting something different in the "large" email category, try spymac....yes u gotta put a www and a .com on it....i believe they're up to 3gb of storage with IMAP, POP3, and SMTP access...
I got a maxtor or fujitsu (not currently accessible) HD (540MB) from a friend and it has a pencil eraser sized burn mark on the visible circuit card along with what i would guess is a missing surface mount resistor or capacitor, and it still works fine...i keep it in a removable tray to swap large files between computers (no network, don't ask).
The current system works fine
That can be said about anything. Open Source BIOS would allow people interested in doing so to decide on their own BIOS settings such as chipset speeds etc. The main people against this are the chip manufacturers who make loads of chips that actually function at a higher speed than they are labeled. Its simply a cheaper way to manufacture them. Once I buy it, however, it's mine (like software). And if I would like to configure it the way I want to do so, then that's my choice. I'm all for at least allowing the co-existance of open source alternatives, and let the consumer decide.
This is obviously gonna be a long term problem for future repairs and such....why can't have the shuttle mission go and move the HST near the ISS...then we could have ISS-based spacewalks (when the suits work) to go repair/upgrade HST...is there something about HST's location that's particularly special? Given the choice of no HST or a repositioned one with slightly less cabability the choice is obvious.
But Dell already has this experience with regard to providing this kind of support...They sold desktops and Servers not long ago with Redhat installed...this is probably a localized deal with their Italian partner Questar...the MS feelings in Europe are different compared to the feelings in the U.S. and the market in Italy is probably more ripe for such an offer.
Yea, great idea those sensors on the fridge....then we can have itemized billing as the coke (or ensure) passes by an RFID sensor...oh no, the can went back in...is it empty or half full?....oh well, we'll charge 'em anyway cause they opened the door and let the cold out.
Some of the quality control has already been done if only we'd examine others who've been trying this. An open source version is being used, and the interest there was for the same reason we had: a close election that had a separation of only a few votes. Check outm
http://www.wired.com/news/ebiz/0,1272,61045,00.ht
Well, i'm in Iraq now, and the infrastructure is in poor shape in many areas, but the cities are getting around 4-16 hours of electricty each day and fresh water is available in most areas too....the main roads and highways are mostly ok too, some potholes, but i've seen worse in ohio and pennsylvania!...there is however a booming (no pun intended) computer market in baghdad, and there's been a couple of reporters who mentioned they can get some kind of dsl service there at like 256k....there's also a linux users group at http://www.iraqilinux.org/...u only hear the bad things on the news, but we (the iraqis and us) have been able to reopen like 1200 schools, the hospitals, and even the colleges. Entrepreneurs are opening up shops again, and they should get their IQ domain back....
Isn't there E-Gov legislation that is supposed to ensure free access to government information. As a gov't agency, the NWS/NOAA should provide the data to anyone that asks. Maybe i'll start a private company providing accurate time, and put time.gov out of business...Has anyone patented providing time over the internet....there's money to be made here somewhere.
Now that emails are used in court as evidence, ISPs or Webmail providers should never auto delete emails....ISPs should at least offer a link to a quarantine folder and let u choose to delete or not...Webmail services could generate an automatic folder called SPAM? that users could review occasionally if they want to rule out any misfiled emails. With the results others are getting with SpamAssassin, I would appreciate some filtering especially for my Webmail account...The filters currently used by several of my Webmail account providers certainly don't catch anywhere near the percentage of spam like those reported here.
I'm glad u got the joke, it was all meant to be funny, which is why i replied to a funny, thread; but at least i'm not an anonymou$ coward (oops, i did it again)....and yep MS is in the business of makin money, and as the consumer, I opt not to give them any of mine...ain't capitalism grand?
Is it possible the suits were made by M$ and this is only a undocumented feature?