*sigh* its Roland Piquepaille again, blog whore extrodinaire. Don't visit the link to his blog, it's not worth it, he'sjust trying to generate traffic because he can't get enough himself (guess his opinions aren't interesting enough)
*sigh* They're posted as the patents are approved. MS just APPLIED for that patent 5 years ago, and for some dumb reason, they're finally starting to get approved. It's news because this means something to open source. Should everyone just nod their heads and ignore it all? I'm sure thats what Microsoft would want.
I don't think people switching to linux is really going to stop them. You're going to need to get Linux to over 50% market share
and anyone with half a brain KNOWS that switching to linux wont help its market share. Better hit the preview button next time and take the contradictions out buddy.
Man.... PBS? Why can't it broadcast over the internet? I *know* (actually, I haven't RTFA yet so no I don't) that it's going to be on a 3am, because during the day they have programs begging for people to donate money, and if you pledge $100+ you get this beautiful white tshirt, and when theyre not doing that, its aurther and other TV shows that are paid for by donations (there are no ads on this TV) and, like the Family Channel also shows, when you only get shows that are paid with the MUCH smaller ammount from donations, those shows tend to make you want to stab yourself in the face, and half the time on my satellite it doesnt show whats going to be on in 1 hour on those shitty stations, I guess they want you to 'watch and find out'.
Man what the hell am I saying, I just don't want to go over to the TV and leave my computer.
SgtJenkins@military.mil$ drop bomb
-bash: drop: command not found
SgtJenkins@military.mil$ make bomb
make: *** No rule to make target `bomb'. Stop.
SgtJenkins@military.mil$ kill terrorists
-bash: kill: terrorists: no such pid
SgtJenkins@military.mil$ man i want windows back
No manual entry for i
No manual entry for want
No manual entry for windows
No manual entry for back
They want control of every market possible. Standard Microsoft buisness move. Then they could put Windows CE in all those mp3 players, so you could email people while you listen to Cher.
The obvious answer is they're dumb, or being forced to or something. But there are alot of AOL users, and if they have the option to switch to Linux, then cool, good for them. Just because you don't use AOL and don't like it doesn't mean other people don't.
Game code still uses alot of assembly, unless you want it to go at 10 FPS. Letting API's handle stuff isn't always freat, theres overhead and at leasy 99% of the time bulk. (You rarely use 100% of the features of anything) Reinventing the wheel is bad, but I have code I've made myself that I reuse in games, and just play around with it a bit so it so it perfectly fits the games needs. For other stuff though, I agree with you, unless your programming for some special case (Embedded stuff, robots, games etc) then there is no need for ASM, and API's are great.
The initial idea of a gaming console is a crippled computer, and thats why there is no patent for consoles. But the patent this article is about is enhancing the console to do other stuff, which is completly differnt.
First, I don't know what your argueeing about now, I was originally saying that the patent was filed in 1998, and was NOT to be used as a weapon against sony and MS. Then some bright guy (I think it was you) had the idea that it was prior art because his computer had internet capabilities (or something). I never said it was going to be used in court
As for the rest of your arguement, of course a driver will get charged with drving over the speed limit, I don't see how this ties in with your case though. I was not manipulating the definition AT ALL, and you can clearly tell what they meant by "console" by reading the actual patent. Patent's have to be clearly defined, to avoid court issues.
The commodore 64 was not designed to be just be a game console (as the common media defines it) wether you play games on it or people happened to make games is moot. The xbox was designed to play games made by game developers, so you burning VI onto a disk and "playing" it is irrelevant, because your bypassing what it was intended for, and your not a game developer. Furthermore, you didn't make VI and the people that made VI didn't intend it to be a game. If you can get linux to run on an N64, good for you. I bet you could get a toaster to run linux, but does that mean that the toaster was designed to run linux and not burn toast?
Hmm, has anyone put linux on say a Xbox, PS2 or N64? Would that corupt your definition of a console since it can run VI?
It would not corrupt my definition because it wasn't designed to. Think before you post.
I didn't design my computer and whats in it, I put the video card into the AGP slot and inserted tab A into slot B. And nVidia didn't design my card JUST to play video games. And unless the gamers you are talking about have another PC to use, they aren't going to use their computer for *only* gaming:)
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*sigh* its Roland Piquepaille again, blog whore extrodinaire. Don't visit the link to his blog, it's not worth it, he'sjust trying to generate traffic because he can't get enough himself (guess his opinions aren't interesting enough)
I don't know if I should laugh, be sick, "tsk tsk" the story, or contemplate why the hell we really exist.
Quake 2, the Marathon series etc etc. Game companies seem to understand it. Of course Linux, but I don't think it counts.
Sounds good. Open is Better (tm)
I wonder if anything neat will come of this, now that everyone can use data collected from others research.
And for good reason. I'm all for new ideas, and open source yada yada, but this is just plain abuse. Shame on anyone who uses this.
In all seriousness, AFAIK they beat you to it.
*sigh* They're posted as the patents are approved. MS just APPLIED for that patent 5 years ago, and for some dumb reason, they're finally starting to get approved. It's news because this means something to open source. Should everyone just nod their heads and ignore it all? I'm sure thats what Microsoft would want.
I don't think people switching to linux is really going to stop them. You're going to need to get Linux to over 50% market share
and anyone with half a brain KNOWS that switching to linux wont help its market share. Better hit the preview button next time and take the contradictions out buddy.
Still, that "invention" (the tab navigation one) has been used WAYYYY before IE 3
Man.... PBS? Why can't it broadcast over the internet? I *know* (actually, I haven't RTFA yet so no I don't) that it's going to be on a 3am, because during the day they have programs begging for people to donate money, and if you pledge $100+ you get this beautiful white tshirt, and when theyre not doing that, its aurther and other TV shows that are paid for by donations (there are no ads on this TV) and, like the Family Channel also shows, when you only get shows that are paid with the MUCH smaller ammount from donations, those shows tend to make you want to stab yourself in the face, and half the time on my satellite it doesnt show whats going to be on in 1 hour on those shitty stations, I guess they want you to 'watch and find out'.
Man what the hell am I saying, I just don't want to go over to the TV and leave my computer.
Those goddamn open-source terrorists!
hence the "5 years ago, who would have thought..." title. Jeez.
SgtJenkins@military.mil$ drop bomb
-bash: drop: command not found
SgtJenkins@military.mil$ make bomb
make: *** No rule to make target `bomb'. Stop.
SgtJenkins@military.mil$ kill terrorists
-bash: kill: terrorists: no such pid
SgtJenkins@military.mil$ man i want windows back
No manual entry for i
No manual entry for want
No manual entry for windows
No manual entry for back
Either your a sony fanboy or you haven't actually played the GBA before. AFAIK a very large (possibly 50%+) of the GBA users are 15+, up to adults.
They want control of every market possible. Standard Microsoft buisness move. Then they could put Windows CE in all those mp3 players, so you could email people while you listen to Cher.
Why would windows users want to connect to AOL?
The obvious answer is they're dumb, or being forced to or something. But there are alot of AOL users, and if they have the option to switch to Linux, then cool, good for them. Just because you don't use AOL and don't like it doesn't mean other people don't.
Ew I sounded pro-AOL there :
Game code still uses alot of assembly, unless you want it to go at 10 FPS. Letting API's handle stuff isn't always freat, theres overhead and at leasy 99% of the time bulk. (You rarely use 100% of the features of anything) Reinventing the wheel is bad, but I have code I've made myself that I reuse in games, and just play around with it a bit so it so it perfectly fits the games needs. For other stuff though, I agree with you, unless your programming for some special case (Embedded stuff, robots, games etc) then there is no need for ASM, and API's are great.
The initial idea of a gaming console is a crippled computer, and thats why there is no patent for consoles. But the patent this article is about is enhancing the console to do other stuff, which is completly differnt.
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First, I don't know what your argueeing about now, I was originally saying that the patent was filed in 1998, and was NOT to be used as a weapon against sony and MS. Then some bright guy (I think it was you) had the idea that it was prior art because his computer had internet capabilities (or something). I never said it was going to be used in court
As for the rest of your arguement, of course a driver will get charged with drving over the speed limit, I don't see how this ties in with your case though. I was not manipulating the definition AT ALL, and you can clearly tell what they meant by "console" by reading the actual patent. Patent's have to be clearly defined, to avoid court issues.
The commodore 64 was not designed to be just be a game console (as the common media defines it) wether you play games on it or people happened to make games is moot. The xbox was designed to play games made by game developers, so you burning VI onto a disk and "playing" it is irrelevant, because your bypassing what it was intended for, and your not a game developer. Furthermore, you didn't make VI and the people that made VI didn't intend it to be a game. If you can get linux to run on an N64, good for you. I bet you could get a toaster to run linux, but does that mean that the toaster was designed to run linux and not burn toast?
Not the kind of console the patent is refering to. Believe it or not, things can have more than one definition.
Hmm, has anyone put linux on say a Xbox, PS2 or N64? Would that corupt your definition of a console since it can run VI? It would not corrupt my definition because it wasn't designed to. Think before you post.
I didn't design my computer and whats in it, I put the video card into the AGP slot and inserted tab A into slot B. And nVidia didn't design my card JUST to play video games. And unless the gamers you are talking about have another PC to use, they aren't going to use their computer for *only* gaming :)
key litigation: define console A computer designed with the sole intention to play video games.
what about the c64 with a modem used for online gaming albet being the father of MUD style adventers but alas being online.
keyword: console