very uncomfortable. It's something I campaign against. I'm not taking digs, this isn't a UK is better than US, it's simply a how did it come to this. wake up, pull your collective fingers out before it's too late and you no longer have the choice. Am I being alarmist, possibly. Is there a grain of truth to what I say, definately.
while i don't for a moment condone anything bin laden had done he's definately not a mad man, he has an ideological viewpoint that is in extreme opposite of Americas/The Wests. His actions are a consequence of that. His actions are not just his own, but representative of a greater movement and can't be argued away simply by madness.
is there any american who is proud of the way their country treats its citizens anymore? I'm from the UK where we are pretty fierce about our privacy - well I certainly am - and I simply can't understand how this can happen.
really, it's time to immigrate people. or perhap do something, depends how far up americas ass it's finger is.
agreed. for me to even click through on an article i need to be able to fucking understand the bloody thing. Oh and you don't need to censor yourself dear, the/. readers are big boys and can't take a few potty words.
seriously though, this story is such a load of pants no-one even wants to comment on it. why bother?
any time the story gets to the front page it gets pushed off by digg zealots reporting it as lame. I've felt this for a while now, the digg system is just bursting at the seams. as it stands it isn't gonna survive much longer, it just doesn't work as it is. it's frelled. game over man game over.
But, it does really piss me off and frustrate me. I want to like digg, I want it to be good. The idea is great, but it's so fucking badly implemented it's not true. the worst bit about digg for me is not actually the digg story system but the comment system, its abysmal and seems to have a bunch of cavemen trolls living in it.
I think there needs to be serious discussion about transparency in digg, if they want to keep their readership.
newspapers have editors for a reason, websites have editors for a reason. Editors do a really important job in filtering out all the shit that we have to otherwise put up with which is pretty much as bad as spam.
The idea of digg is noble and great and in some respects it's definately a success, like the speed that it delivers news stories as they happen compared to slashdot. This makes a difference to me.
The most negative thing I have to say about digg are that the comments section is filled with a bunch of fucking assholes, I call them the digg mob. It's due in a great part to a fucking stupid comment moderation system that doesn't encourage people to think about why they are modding a person up or down because mod points run like honey. The result is the mobb effect, where someone says something contrary to popular opinion and gets buried under a massive amounts of undiggs. I'm at the point where I completely give up reading digg simply because people are such assholes in the comment section.
one more thing.... this will be Jobs new war-room and military base when they declare complete reclamation of moral and ethical precepts under the new be different campaign. You Will Think Different
of course it's subjective, it's written as an editorial. Game reviews are generally subjective, all reviews are, we allow for that when we read those articles. However we still use them as a basis for forming our own opinions, even if it's to disagree.
The point that he makes resonates with my own experience of HL2 and so I'm glad that he wrote it. It's especially interesting for considering I am waiting expectantly for HL2:episode 1 to be released, with baited breath hoping for a decent story development.
This neither here or there, his story makes alot of valid points which resonate with my own experience of half life 2. My greatest regret and dissapointment with HL2 was the abysmal story progression, and that is his complaint as well.
Half life was a fundamental change in game philosophy which said that telling a story was important, interacting with your environment and other characters made a difference, you would hope that Valve could carry that through to their new titles but they do seem to have gone down the eye candy road. I can't explain how fucked off I was at the end of HL2, I can imagine 99% of us were waiting for some, any explanation of g-man, of what is really going on. Did we get it, did we hell.
More telling to me though is the amount of events I can remember in half life versus those in HL2. I simply remember more of HL, I had more fun playing it. I remember hearing soldiers scream as I lobbed a grenade down a stairwell, a barney walking around a corner straight into sentry gun, the sound of headcrabs as I crawled down air vents, torch off. I was hoping for so much with HL2 and it did not deliver. It was a great game, it was beautiful, but it lacked the one thing that made HL great, a story.
bingo, you're right. I also enjoy using myspace. It's allowed me to reconnect with a lot of people I had lost touch with. Now that I have I spend very little time on it except for communicating with people I already know. It's just cool to hate myspace these days.
any day. Anyone is familiar with Banks Culture books will remember the drug glands most people have in their bodies. soma on tap basically. Think of what you want and your body secretes it. 20 year acid trip, woohoo. ok I have a strange idea of fun, I admit; but self produced drugs on tap, a gland that replicates caffeine directly into your body. sweet.
your comment is spot on. to go a little further one could point to the massive growth of youth culture on the web in places like myspace, faceparty etc as an example in a movement towards socializing as the preferred norm for teenagers.
In another vein if game developers want to pay attention to the socializing aspect of their games (MMOGs come to mind) then they will want to start adding alot more interactive, social aspects that do not necessarily follow the old fashioned game progression ethos.
Games like WoW are already taking steps towards this, I know people who play it purely for the social aspects and don't even step foot in dungeons, preferring to idle in ironforge or orgrimarr. More and more social aspects are being added, as well as vanity things which are just as important, as the customization and individualization of ones avatar seems to be the driving force behind todays online identities, whether it's myspace or WoW.
it's not unusual for people who are addicted to WoW to simply create a new account - i.e. fork out for a new game - if their old one gets banned. Plus a GM wouldn't ban him on the basis of an anonymous request - by anonymous i mean that there is no way to prove that you are his friend trying to help him. GM's in WoW are hard enough to deal with as it is, this would be impossible.
In my experience people becoming addicted to things like MMOs/games as a displacement activity. There's probably something else in his life that is causing problems too. Have you asked him about that?
Also be straight up with him, say how you feel. It doesn't hurt to tell him you are worried about him. If you can't do that, think of someone who could.
A more extreme solution and one that I actually feel sometimes necessary is an intervention. Uninstall WoW, take his discs. In the end it doesn't do any literal damage as it doesn't destroy his characters or progress. Or, use the childlock tools which locks it out at certain times I believe. Of course don't do any of these before trying simpler things like talking to him.
When it comes down to it, it might be necessary to be harsh and as honest as possible. I have seen people become very ill playing WoW. Certain areas - like battlegrounds - demand a massive amount of time to get anywhere and by their nature are carrot and stick affairs, each success is only an aim towards an even greater challenge. This way people are led on and addicted.
well to compare, how many people do you think have bought an xbox because they could mod it, stick an emulator or backed up games onto it and play away (to back up my point I can say I know at least 5 people who have, it's pretty popular). Hacks start of as hacks, and then someone puts in the hard work simplifying them, making them more accessible to everyone and then we no longer need to play around with bootloaders etc. This is already big news and will be appearing on all the apple news sites, it's certainly gonna get the apple fanboi zealots riled. It will also get a lot of interest from people who don't just want to play games on their macs, but do a few of the things they still can't do on their macs - admittedly very little now - in windows.
On another note, I feel that the mac populaces face has changed since OS X came along. Mac users have become much more homebrew, hacker friendly and do frequently get down and dirty with their darwin innards. People with that kind of attitude - which seems widespread in the community now - might well relish getting their machine to dual boot xp, just because.
and a amssive congratulation to Narf. This was an exciting contest to watch develop and definately brought out a lot of talent. Now the question in my mind is will this have any affect on the new intel-mac sales; Will people be keen to buy them because they can dual boot windows/mac os x on the same machine?
Recently I bought a mac-mini (before the intel ones went live sadly) and I have to say, having used winxp for years after two weeks of my mac-mini on a KVM I'm just about ready to move over. I can't actually imagine many reasons for me wanting a PC any more. I'm not into gaming like I used to be, and mac os x is such a lovely user experience. I admit it, i'm a born again apple fan-boi!
What exactly is the situation on driver support for someone booting winxp on a mac? That's what I am interested in, anyone got a clue?
however a matter of degree introduces a degree of uncertainty as to what constitutes botting. If he was botting because he was mashing a few keys on a keyboard while not looking then I fear for us all. Some people have specialized keyboards that are made to be used with WoW, these keyboards allow macros which automate things to a certain degree. This does not create a totally autonomous self-sufficient, self-aware keyboard that levels your character to 60 for you, it still demands your use and interaction.
People shout bots at the smallest thing these days and are using the term improperly. Botting constitutes using a thirdparty program that automates grinding *entirely*. You set up a bot on a path, fire and forget.
I leveled a Paladin to 60 and there were some times when I just stood on a spot near multiple mob spawns, hit autoattack-key, alt-tabbed, read slashdot, alt-tabbed, hit self heal key, alt-tabbed back to browser. This is hardly different from what he was doing, he just happened to have a keyboard with bells and whistles. It wasn't a dirty low-down keyboard sold to him by haxx0rs in a back alley, it was commonly available normal keyboard.
"Look, if your not paying attention to the game go do something else. If it is that boring to do what you were doing then why bother? If it is for improvment within the game should you not focus your attention on it."
Are you kidding me? Have you actually grinded 1-60 in WoW? In some ways wow is a remarkable and exciting game, but their decision to make grinding such a central aspect of it is absolutely the most FUCKING BORING thing in the world. It's a dirty necessity of playing WoW, and any way to make the process easier is appreciated - within the rules.
I can't emphasize that if what this guy has said is true, then he hasn't broken any rules, an overzealous GM has taken it upon their selves to wave the ban stick. It's fine for you all to point the finger - as people seem so joyous to do in wow - and call him a cheater, etc, but wait until it's you that is on the short end of a GM's ban stick. You'll scream, you'll shout, you'll say it wasn't like that and no-one will listen, they'll be too busy chucking stones.
however a matter of degree introduces a degree of uncertainty as to what constitutes botting. If he was botting because he was mashing a few keys on a keyboard while not looking then I fear for us all. Some people have specialized keyboards that are made to be used with WoW, these keyboards allow macros which automate things to a certain degree. This does not create a totally autonomous self-sufficient, self-aware keyboard that levels your character to 60 for you, it still demands your use and interaction.
People shout bots at the smallest thing these days and are using the term improperly. Botting constitutes using a thirdparty program that automates grinding *entirely*. You set up a bot on a path, fire and forget.
I leveled a Paladin to 60 and there were some times when I just stood on a spot near multiple mob spawns, hit autoattack-key, alt-tabbed, read slashdot, alt-tabbed, hit self heal key, alt-tabbed back to browser. This is hardly different from what he was doing, he just happened to have a keyboard with bells and whistles. It wasn't a dirty low-down keyboard sold to him by haxx0rs in a back alley, it was commonly available normal keyboard.
"Look, if your not paying attention to the game go do something else. If it is that boring to do what you were doing then why bother? If it is for improvment within the game should you not focus your attention on it."
Are you kidding me? Have you actually grinded 1-60 in WoW? In some ways wow is a remarkable and exciting game, but their decision to make grinding such a central aspect of it is absolutely the most FUCKING BORING thing in the world. It's a dirty necessity of playing WoW, and any way to make the process easier is appreciated - within the rules.
I can't emphasize that if what this guy has said is true, then he hasn't broken any rules, an overzealous GM has taken it upon their selves to wave the ban stick. It's fine for you all to point the finger - as people seem so joyous to do in wow - and call him a cheater, etc, but wait until it's you that is on the short end of a GM's ban stick. You'll scream, you'll shout, you'll say it wasn't like that and no-one will listen, they'll be too busy chucking stones.
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very uncomfortable. It's something I campaign against. I'm not taking digs, this isn't a UK is better than US, it's simply a how did it come to this. wake up, pull your collective fingers out before it's too late and you no longer have the choice. Am I being alarmist, possibly. Is there a grain of truth to what I say, definately.
while i don't for a moment condone anything bin laden had done he's definately not a mad man, he has an ideological viewpoint that is in extreme opposite of Americas/The Wests. His actions are a consequence of that. His actions are not just his own, but representative of a greater movement and can't be argued away simply by madness.
is there any american who is proud of the way their country treats its citizens anymore? I'm from the UK where we are pretty fierce about our privacy - well I certainly am - and I simply can't understand how this can happen.
really, it's time to immigrate people. or perhap do something, depends how far up americas ass it's finger is.
queue thousands of horde players complaining about fscking alliance swapping over to horde.
over than that, a very much needed change in balance. i agree.
If I become catholic as well will I get to the fifth circle? If so I'm gettin' that addon! Level 5 here I come.
agreed. for me to even click through on an article i need to be able to fucking understand the bloody thing. Oh and you don't need to censor yourself dear, the /. readers are big boys and can't take a few potty words.
seriously though, this story is such a load of pants no-one even wants to comment on it. why bother?
any time the story gets to the front page it gets pushed off by digg zealots reporting it as lame. I've felt this for a while now, the digg system is just bursting at the seams. as it stands it isn't gonna survive much longer, it just doesn't work as it is. it's frelled. game over man game over.
But, it does really piss me off and frustrate me. I want to like digg, I want it to be good. The idea is great, but it's so fucking badly implemented it's not true. the worst bit about digg for me is not actually the digg story system but the comment system, its abysmal and seems to have a bunch of cavemen trolls living in it.
I think there needs to be serious discussion about transparency in digg, if they want to keep their readership.
newspapers have editors for a reason, websites have editors for a reason. Editors do a really important job in filtering out all the shit that we have to otherwise put up with which is pretty much as bad as spam.
The idea of digg is noble and great and in some respects it's definately a success, like the speed that it delivers news stories as they happen compared to slashdot. This makes a difference to me.
The most negative thing I have to say about digg are that the comments section is filled with a bunch of fucking assholes, I call them the digg mob. It's due in a great part to a fucking stupid comment moderation system that doesn't encourage people to think about why they are modding a person up or down because mod points run like honey. The result is the mobb effect, where someone says something contrary to popular opinion and gets buried under a massive amounts of undiggs. I'm at the point where I completely give up reading digg simply because people are such assholes in the comment section.
one more thing.... this will be Jobs new war-room and military base when they declare complete reclamation of moral and ethical precepts under the new be different campaign. You Will Think Different
I my english is good. what you for make fun of?
of course it's subjective, it's written as an editorial. Game reviews are generally subjective, all reviews are, we allow for that when we read those articles. However we still use them as a basis for forming our own opinions, even if it's to disagree.
The point that he makes resonates with my own experience of HL2 and so I'm glad that he wrote it. It's especially interesting for considering I am waiting expectantly for HL2:episode 1 to be released, with baited breath hoping for a decent story development.
This neither here or there, his story makes alot of valid points which resonate with my own experience of half life 2. My greatest regret and dissapointment with HL2 was the abysmal story progression, and that is his complaint as well.
Half life was a fundamental change in game philosophy which said that telling a story was important, interacting with your environment and other characters made a difference, you would hope that Valve could carry that through to their new titles but they do seem to have gone down the eye candy road. I can't explain how fucked off I was at the end of HL2, I can imagine 99% of us were waiting for some, any explanation of g-man, of what is really going on. Did we get it, did we hell.
More telling to me though is the amount of events I can remember in half life versus those in HL2. I simply remember more of HL, I had more fun playing it. I remember hearing soldiers scream as I lobbed a grenade down a stairwell, a barney walking around a corner straight into sentry gun, the sound of headcrabs as I crawled down air vents, torch off. I was hoping for so much with HL2 and it did not deliver. It was a great game, it was beautiful, but it lacked the one thing that made HL great, a story.
bingo, you're right. I also enjoy using myspace. It's allowed me to reconnect with a lot of people I had lost touch with. Now that I have I spend very little time on it except for communicating with people I already know. It's just cool to hate myspace these days.
any day. Anyone is familiar with Banks Culture books will remember the drug glands most people have in their bodies. soma on tap basically. Think of what you want and your body secretes it. 20 year acid trip, woohoo. ok I have a strange idea of fun, I admit; but self produced drugs on tap, a gland that replicates caffeine directly into your body. sweet.
seriously some guys obviously feel threatened too easily, go crawl back into your fucking caves.
your comment is spot on. to go a little further one could point to the massive growth of youth culture on the web in places like myspace, faceparty etc as an example in a movement towards socializing as the preferred norm for teenagers.
In another vein if game developers want to pay attention to the socializing aspect of their games (MMOGs come to mind) then they will want to start adding alot more interactive, social aspects that do not necessarily follow the old fashioned game progression ethos.
Games like WoW are already taking steps towards this, I know people who play it purely for the social aspects and don't even step foot in dungeons, preferring to idle in ironforge or orgrimarr. More and more social aspects are being added, as well as vanity things which are just as important, as the customization and individualization of ones avatar seems to be the driving force behind todays online identities, whether it's myspace or WoW.
it's not unusual for people who are addicted to WoW to simply create a new account - i.e. fork out for a new game - if their old one gets banned. Plus a GM wouldn't ban him on the basis of an anonymous request - by anonymous i mean that there is no way to prove that you are his friend trying to help him. GM's in WoW are hard enough to deal with as it is, this would be impossible.
In my experience people becoming addicted to things like MMOs/games as a displacement activity. There's probably something else in his life that is causing problems too. Have you asked him about that?
Also be straight up with him, say how you feel. It doesn't hurt to tell him you are worried about him. If you can't do that, think of someone who could.
A more extreme solution and one that I actually feel sometimes necessary is an intervention. Uninstall WoW, take his discs. In the end it doesn't do any literal damage as it doesn't destroy his characters or progress. Or, use the childlock tools which locks it out at certain times I believe. Of course don't do any of these before trying simpler things like talking to him.
When it comes down to it, it might be necessary to be harsh and as honest as possible. I have seen people become very ill playing WoW. Certain areas - like battlegrounds - demand a massive amount of time to get anywhere and by their nature are carrot and stick affairs, each success is only an aim towards an even greater challenge. This way people are led on and addicted.
welcome to "world of crackcraft".
It just goes to show that while crimes may get updated with the times, bad people are still bad people.
can already feel the site crawling so made a pre-emtive corach cache. Use that if you can!
get back to work drone!
well to compare, how many people do you think have bought an xbox because they could mod it, stick an emulator or backed up games onto it and play away (to back up my point I can say I know at least 5 people who have, it's pretty popular). Hacks start of as hacks, and then someone puts in the hard work simplifying them, making them more accessible to everyone and then we no longer need to play around with bootloaders etc. This is already big news and will be appearing on all the apple news sites, it's certainly gonna get the apple fanboi zealots riled. It will also get a lot of interest from people who don't just want to play games on their macs, but do a few of the things they still can't do on their macs - admittedly very little now - in windows. On another note, I feel that the mac populaces face has changed since OS X came along. Mac users have become much more homebrew, hacker friendly and do frequently get down and dirty with their darwin innards. People with that kind of attitude - which seems widespread in the community now - might well relish getting their machine to dual boot xp, just because.
use the coral caches. I can't believe they weren't coralised in the main post
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and a amssive congratulation to Narf. This was an exciting contest to watch develop and definately brought out a lot of talent. Now the question in my mind is will this have any affect on the new intel-mac sales; Will people be keen to buy them because they can dual boot windows/mac os x on the same machine? Recently I bought a mac-mini (before the intel ones went live sadly) and I have to say, having used winxp for years after two weeks of my mac-mini on a KVM I'm just about ready to move over. I can't actually imagine many reasons for me wanting a PC any more. I'm not into gaming like I used to be, and mac os x is such a lovely user experience. I admit it, i'm a born again apple fan-boi! What exactly is the situation on driver support for someone booting winxp on a mac? That's what I am interested in, anyone got a clue?
however a matter of degree introduces a degree of uncertainty as to what constitutes botting. If he was botting because he was mashing a few keys on a keyboard while not looking then I fear for us all. Some people have specialized keyboards that are made to be used with WoW, these keyboards allow macros which automate things to a certain degree. This does not create a totally autonomous self-sufficient, self-aware keyboard that levels your character to 60 for you, it still demands your use and interaction.
People shout bots at the smallest thing these days and are using the term improperly. Botting constitutes using a thirdparty program that automates grinding *entirely*. You set up a bot on a path, fire and forget.
I leveled a Paladin to 60 and there were some times when I just stood on a spot near multiple mob spawns, hit autoattack-key, alt-tabbed, read slashdot, alt-tabbed, hit self heal key, alt-tabbed back to browser. This is hardly different from what he was doing, he just happened to have a keyboard with bells and whistles. It wasn't a dirty low-down keyboard sold to him by haxx0rs in a back alley, it was commonly available normal keyboard.
"Look, if your not paying attention to the game go do something else. If it is that boring to do what you were doing then why bother? If it is for improvment within the game should you not focus your attention on it."
Are you kidding me? Have you actually grinded 1-60 in WoW? In some ways wow is a remarkable and exciting game, but their decision to make grinding such a central aspect of it is absolutely the most FUCKING BORING thing in the world. It's a dirty necessity of playing WoW, and any way to make the process easier is appreciated - within the rules.
I can't emphasize that if what this guy has said is true, then he hasn't broken any rules, an overzealous GM has taken it upon their selves to wave the ban stick. It's fine for you all to point the finger - as people seem so joyous to do in wow - and call him a cheater, etc, but wait until it's you that is on the short end of a GM's ban stick. You'll scream, you'll shout, you'll say it wasn't like that and no-one will listen, they'll be too busy chucking stones.
however a matter of degree introduces a degree of uncertainty as to what constitutes botting. If he was botting because he was mashing a few keys on a keyboard while not looking then I fear for us all. Some people have specialized keyboards that are made to be used with WoW, these keyboards allow macros which automate things to a certain degree. This does not create a totally autonomous self-sufficient, self-aware keyboard that levels your character to 60 for you, it still demands your use and interaction. People shout bots at the smallest thing these days and are using the term improperly. Botting constitutes using a thirdparty program that automates grinding *entirely*. You set up a bot on a path, fire and forget. I leveled a Paladin to 60 and there were some times when I just stood on a spot near multiple mob spawns, hit autoattack-key, alt-tabbed, read slashdot, alt-tabbed, hit self heal key, alt-tabbed back to browser. This is hardly different from what he was doing, he just happened to have a keyboard with bells and whistles. It wasn't a dirty low-down keyboard sold to him by haxx0rs in a back alley, it was commonly available normal keyboard. "Look, if your not paying attention to the game go do something else. If it is that boring to do what you were doing then why bother? If it is for improvment within the game should you not focus your attention on it." Are you kidding me? Have you actually grinded 1-60 in WoW? In some ways wow is a remarkable and exciting game, but their decision to make grinding such a central aspect of it is absolutely the most FUCKING BORING thing in the world. It's a dirty necessity of playing WoW, and any way to make the process easier is appreciated - within the rules. I can't emphasize that if what this guy has said is true, then he hasn't broken any rules, an overzealous GM has taken it upon their selves to wave the ban stick. It's fine for you all to point the finger - as people seem so joyous to do in wow - and call him a cheater, etc, but wait until it's you that is on the short end of a GM's ban stick. You'll scream, you'll shout, you'll say it wasn't like that and no-one will listen, they'll be too busy chucking stones.