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Apple to Build Second Campus

Randy writes "Apple plans to expand dramatically in Cupertino by constructing a second major campus, one mile from Infinite Loop. Lamenting the fact that 'there aren't many apricot orchards left' upon which to build a new campus, Apple CEO Steve Jobs noted that Apple nevertheless managed to do the trick by purchasing several contiguous properties." From the article: "The maker of Macintosh computers and iPod digital music players will house 3,000 to 3,500 employees in the new campus, about 10 minutes away from its headquarters on Infinite Loop in Cupertino. Jobs estimated that it will take three to four years to design and build the new campus."

94 comments

  1. Non-free by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

    They aren't making (entirely) free software, so I don't think we should care about them.

  2. Good ol' California traffic by eln · · Score: 4, Funny

    one mile from Infinite Loop.

    and then

    about 10 minutes away from its headquarters on Infinite Loop

    10 minutes seems a little optimistic to travel one mile in that area. He must mean on foot, it would take twice that long in a car.

    1. Re:Good ol' California traffic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If the traffic is that bad, just get a damn bicycle.

    2. Re:Good ol' California traffic by Troglodyt · · Score: 2, Funny

      haha, who takes a car to go one mile? I've heard about americans driving everywhere but this has to be made up?

    3. Re:Good ol' California traffic by LanMan04 · · Score: 1

      Are you trolling?

      I'd take a car to go a mile if I had to do it more than once or twice in a short period of time. Not for a block walk, but a mile is a fair distance (12-15 minutes or so at a normal stride?).

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    4. Re:Good ol' California traffic by Dis*abstraction · · Score: 1

      Outside Chicago, San Francisco, and New York? Yeah, it's very much true. But I bet Europeans, at least those who live outside urban centers, are just as "lazy" after accounting for the increased cost of petrol. Can I ask where you live?

    5. Re:Good ol' California traffic by fm6 · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Dude, most Americans will get in the car to avoid walking across a parking lot! That's why most new malls in this country no longer have internal walkways.

      I used to have a job about a mile from my house. I'd usually walk to work. All my co-workers thought I was very strange. And before you say, "lazy Americans" note that many of my co-workers were Asian immigrants.

    6. Re:Good ol' California traffic by tsa · · Score: 1

      Lazy Asian immigrants.

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    7. Re:Good ol' California traffic by TERdON · · Score: 1

      I'd take a car to go a mile if I had to do it more than once or twice in a short period of time. Not for a block walk, but a mile is a fair distance (12-15 minutes or so at a normal stride?).

      You have a perfectly valid point. But one mile still isn't far at all - even though you wouldn't want to walk between the buildings, it would be perfectly possible to ride the bike between them (max 5 minutes, probably nothing compared to finding a parking spot...).

      And before you remind me that most employees probably drive to work, I know of several companies in Sweden that have bikes available for internal transports for the employees.

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    8. Re:Good ol' California traffic by Troglodyt · · Score: 1

      No I'm not trolling. I'll admit I live in Sweden, in a town not designed for driving. We have 40k students out of 130k inhabitants, so a lot of people don't use a car.
      Anyway, I'd hate having to look for and pay for a new parking spot just to go a mile away.

    9. Re:Good ol' California traffic by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      Co-workers treated me the same way because I lived a mile from work and rode my bicycle. I stopped riding my bicycle because the soccer moms in their SUVs would try to run me over at the stop light to drop their kids off at the nearby school even though I had the right of way. Ironically, a lot these kids do live within a mile of the school.

    10. Re:Good ol' California traffic by Quikah · · Score: 1

      WTH are you talking about, this is Cupertino, not Los Angeles. I work right next to the current Apple campus, I live about 10 miles away from work, takes me ~10-15 minutes to commute.

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    11. Re:Good ol' California traffic by wheezl · · Score: 1

      With a bicycle it would take you 5-7 minutes.

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    12. Re:Good ol' California traffic by porcupine8 · · Score: 1

      Well, it doesn't specify if it's one mile of real travel distance, or "as the crow flies". I've never seen One Infinite Loop or the area around it, so I don't know - but I do know that except for major cities (and that's only in the city part, not the suburbs), many areas easily turn "a mile" into two or three. The roads curve and twist in weird ways to accomodate sprawl, huge shopping centers get in the way, etc. If it truly is one mile straight down the street, I hope they'll be putting in lots of walking/biking paths so people don't drive between the two. But the practical distance may be much more than that, thanks to our horrible sprawling suburban planners.

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    13. Re:Good ol' California traffic by NDPTAL85 · · Score: 0

      I know its not right but bicyclists are just annoying. I can't help but wanting to mow them down. Its like ride your bike on a car path. Roads aren't really meant for bikes even though legally they can be on them. They slow down traffic and you have to be so careful around them. They're like Amish carriages in that regard.

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    14. Re:Good ol' California traffic by fm6 · · Score: 1

      The irony there is that people drive their kids to school because they don't think they're safe on the street, by themselves. It's ironic because (a) as you observed, the SUVs themselves are as big a danger in a school zone as any pedophile (b) those kids are all going to die young because they don't get enough exercise.

    15. Re:Good ol' California traffic by NeMon'ess · · Score: 1

      If yours wasn't, get a bike with mountain-bike handlebars so you're more visible, can see better, and have more agility. Then duct tape an air-horn-in-a-can to your handlebars to surprise the fuck out of the bitches in their SUVs.

    16. Re:Good ol' California traffic by NeMon'ess · · Score: 1

      Driving sounds like it's really challenging for you. You watch for kids running out into the street don't you? You don't have to slow down around bikes. You're supposed to maintain your speed and move to the left, into the next lane if possible.

    17. Re:Good ol' California traffic by tverbeek · · Score: 1
      I'd take a car to go a mile if I had to do it more than once or twice in a short period of time.

      I'd rethink what I'm doing if I had to make that trip more than once or twice in a short period of time. Rather than spending an hour making a couple 2-mile round trips, I'd... um... use the phone? Fire up VNC or ARD? Delegate one of the tasks? Bring a bike? Plan ahead next time so I'm not going back to my office on Infinite Loop between two meetings over on Disk Drive? Bottom line: Why would you have to do this?

      I've worked on campuses that were the better part of a mile across, and I rarely had a problem with having to hike back and forth across them a lot because I figured out ways to not have to. The only times I found myself going all the way cross-campus more than once in a day was in a crisis, and in that kind of situation I wouldn't take a car; I'd run.

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    18. Re:Good ol' California traffic by tverbeek · · Score: 1
      I know its not right but bicyclists are just annoying.

      Funny: We feel the same way about incompetent drivers.

      And we were here first.

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    19. Re:Good ol' California traffic by dadragon · · Score: 1

      And before you remind me that most employees probably drive to work, I know of several companies in Sweden that have bikes available for internal transports for the employees.

      Yes, but that's in Sweden...

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    20. Re:Good ol' California traffic by TERdON · · Score: 1

      om du kikar på vad moderatorerna gav din idé för omdöme, så är det uppenbarligen inte minsta lilla dugg påhittat... :-/

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    21. Re:Good ol' California traffic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      om du kikar på vad moderatorerna gav din idé för omdöme, så är det uppenbarligen inte minsta lilla dugg påhittat... :-/

      Bork bork bork!!

    22. Re:Good ol' California traffic by Dis*abstraction · · Score: 1

      Guess what? City streets weren't originally made for cars, though they're legally permitted now. Many cities and communities around the world are converting their streets back to their original condition--pedestrian-only. Sorry your vehicle is obsolete.

    23. Re:Good ol' California traffic by hixie · · Score: 1

      GOODNESS GRATIOUS! God forbid you might have to WALK for 15 minutes several times a day!!! Whatever would the world come to!!!

    24. Re:Good ol' California traffic by fm6 · · Score: 1

      Yeah, road rage is so much fun, especially when it's SUV versus bicycle.

    25. Re:Good ol' California traffic by NeMon'ess · · Score: 1

      Except that the drivers get startled enough that they don't go into road rage for a few seconds, during which they realize they could've killed someone. I don't expect them to all feel sorry, but probably the rest of them think about the trial and possible jail time they just avoided.

  3. link to video of Steve Jobs address by laurensv · · Score: 4, Informative

    Steve Jobs addresses Cupertino City Council
    watch it here

    1. Re:link to video of Steve Jobs address by Nexum · · Score: 1

      Having watched the video, and listened to Steve's description of the land they intend to build on, I'm pretty certain it's here.

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    2. Re:link to video of Steve Jobs address by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Having watched the video, and listened to Steve's description of the land they intend to build on, I'm pretty certain it's here [google.com].

      Apple's taking over Google?!

    3. Re:link to video of Steve Jobs address by anaesthetica · · Score: 1
      Oh, and one more thing...

      I've had the City Council liquidated. They were insolent.

  4. You'd think by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    An infinite loop would have plenty of room to grow.

    1. Re:You'd think by fm6 · · Score: 1

      That name has always bothered me. It dates back to the time when coding an event loop was the first step in writing any Mac program. It always seemed to me that the event loop should be in the libraries, or even the OS.

    2. Re:You'd think by I+Like+Pudding · · Score: 1

      An infinite loop would have plenty of room to grow.

      Yeah, but construction would take forever.

  5. unless by xusr · · Score: 1

    they build private roads...

    1. Re:unless by happyemoticon · · Score: 2, Funny

      or a secret underground tunnel... the iTube!

    2. Re:unless by CarnivoreMan · · Score: 1

      That'd be a seriusly slow private road... 10 minutes for 1 mile?.. on real roads, is that how California really is? Crap that sucks. I'll stay up here in Washington.... and far north of Seattle as well.

    3. Re:unless by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      That depends. If the economy is going very well, the roads are crowded because everyone is moving into Silicon Valley. If the economy sucks, the roads are less crowded as everyone is moving out of Silicon Valley. Right now, the roads are starting to get crowded again.

    4. Re:unless by Wabin · · Score: 1

      iTube? How last century. iMonorail is where it's at! (As long as there is a healthy supply of donuts for braking.)

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    5. Re:unless by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      As long as they don't call it the Big Dig.

    6. Re:unless by tsa · · Score: 1

      Nonono. In three or four years Steve will announce one more thing... the iBeam! Instantly travel wherever you want to go.

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    7. Re:unless by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      But will the iBeam save the Dark Tower from falling?

  6. I need to get my eyes checked.. by lelitsch · · Score: 4, Funny

    For a minute there I read "Apple to Build Second Coming". And it only seemed a bit strange.

  7. Disappointed by mgabrys_sf · · Score: 5, Funny

    No mention of "one more thing" at the end of the presentation. The lighting was also all wrong and there wasn't a 50 foot high media screen behind him demonstrating the new land purchase. Plus he wasn't even on stage - what's up with THAT?

    Finally and the rumors from ThinkSecret.com on the construction of an in-orbit death-star battlestation were off by a large margin.

    1. Re:Disappointed by thelost · · Score: 1

      one more thing.... this will be Jobs new war-room and military base when they declare complete reclamation of moral and ethical precepts under the new be different campaign. You Will Think Different

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    2. Re:Disappointed by Tibor+the+Hun · · Score: 4, Funny

      On the bright side, my building feels a lot snappier!

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    3. Re:Disappointed by Carthag · · Score: 1

      I don't want to start a holy war here, but what is the deal with you Mac fanatics? I've been trying to walk from my freelance gig at the Apple headquarters (1 Infinite Loop ) for about 20 minutes now while the my feet attempts to take 17 steps from one block on the road to another block. 20 minutes. At Redmond, on 1 Microsoft Way, which by all standards should be a lot slower than this road, the same walk would take about 2 minutes. If that. In addition, during this walk, my brain will not work. And everything else has ground to a halt. Even that car over there is straining to keep up as I type this. I won't bore you with the laundry list of other problems that I've encountered while walking around various Mac company campusses, but suffice it to say there have been many, not the least of which is I've never taken a walk that was faster than it's Wintel counterpart, despite the more modern architecture. My walk on 1 Microsoft Way are faster than this 1 Infinite Loop at times. From a productivity standpoint, I don't get how people can claim that a walk here is superior. Mac addicts, flame me if you'd like, but I'd rather hear some intelligent reasons why anyone would choose to walk here over other faster, cheaper, more stable places.

  8. Think Different. We need cheap housing first. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Yeah and how many homes and small businesses will they bulldoze in the process?

    No one in the bay can afford housing even on a good engineering salary, especially in Cupertino where every new housing development is a "you can't afford it" luxury living condo. Just like the ones that are being built right across from Apple's Infinite Loop campus right now.

    If Apple wants a new campus they can buy them almost new for cheap from SGI. Give the rest of us sub-$200K housing to start putting us on parity with the rest of the country for a change.

  9. Introducing the iHouse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Featuring all of the things you need, and none of the things you don't... like lightbulbs that need changing. For the poor, they'll also be introducing the iHouse mini. All of your favorite iHouse features in a small profile.

    1. Re:Introducing the iHouse by ezratrumpet · · Score: 1

      And for the wealthy among us who can afford a second home....the iHouse II, in blueberry, orange, or Classic khaki. While the house comes unfurnished, the kitchen is supplied with iPots and iPans.....

  10. You've got to love Apple by oni · · Score: 1

    I mean, think about it. Microsoft's address is "One Microsoft Way"

    I'm not kidding. That's their address. A bit pretentious don't you think? But Apple names their's "infinite loop" A programming joke. How cool is that?

    If Linus started his own company, it would probably be located on "Virus Patch Lane"

    1. Re:You've got to love Apple by networkBoy · · Score: 1

      no no NO.

      The building would be named infinate loop and the street address would be 1 second st.
      -nB

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    2. Re:You've got to love Apple by Senjutsu · · Score: 1

      I mean, think about it. Microsoft's address is "One Microsoft Way"

      I'm not kidding. That's their address. A bit pretentious don't you think? But Apple names their's "infinite loop" A programming joke. How cool is that?


      Pretentious? It's the clearest statement of their philosophy that they've ever made. Unless someone happens to have a video of Ballmer screaming "Ein volk, ein Reich, ein Fuhrer"?

    3. Re:You've got to love Apple by fm6 · · Score: 1

      Lots of companies get to name the streets in front of their campuses. The Sun campus in Santa Clara has "Network Circle" and "Sun Fire Way". Oracle is on "Oracle Parkway." Streets built in the last century or so tend to be named by whoever developed the property.

    4. Re:You've got to love Apple by sg3000 · · Score: 1

      > Microsoft's address is "One Microsoft Way. I'm not kidding. That's their address. A bit
      > pretentious don't you think?

      Microsoft's isn't as nefarious as it sounds. In and around Seattle/Redmond/Bellevue/etc a lot of the streets are called "blah blah Way." IIRC, more than half the streets are like that. So, when you see it in that context, it doesn't seem as pretentious or even unusual. Chances are their address would have been One Way, so they might as well have chosen Microsoft for the street name.

      However, I agree that Microsoft's and Apple's addresses seem to match their corporate cultures pretty well.

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  11. California business baffles me.... by otis+wildflower · · Score: 2, Insightful

    .. I mean why, in this day and age, would someone choose to enlarge business in CA? With costs of everything sky-high, traffic, smog, and the punishing taxes, I just don't see it.

    I mean, except for the nice weather, surfing and scantily-clad girls...

    Granted, relocating _everything_ may not wash in the overall cost/benefit analysis, but I don't see why anyone would choose to start a business any larger than a dorm room or off-campus house in CA.

    Frankly, if I were creating a 'real' business (which involved more people than could comfortably fit in my dining room), why shouldn't I do it in Nevada, which has _no_ corporate income tax (or individual income tax for that matter)?

    1. Re:California business baffles me.... by jandrese · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Because then you need to go to the client's (or sponsors) building for something and you're out in Nevada when they're all in California. Jobs rightly pointed out that they could have picked up a lot of land much cheaper if they moved further away, but they wanted their new campus to be within spitting distance of the old one.

      No matter how good your VTC solutions and phone system are, there are some things that just have to be done in person.

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    2. Re:California business baffles me.... by Dis*abstraction · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Access to top-flight talent. Ease of meeting face-to-face with business partners. No matter how good telecommunications may get, it will never be quite as good as physical presence. After all, you can choose to videoconference even if you're only one room apart, but the opposite isn't true--you can't simulate physical presence with a telecom link.

      Ask yourself why corporate headquarters continue popping up in New York, and nowadays are even moving back. Like the mayor says, from a business perspective, the city is a luxury good. Economies of scale, scope, and agglomeration outweigh the increased tax burden. Same as always.

    3. Re:California business baffles me.... by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

      I mean, except for the nice weather, surfing and scantily-clad girls... You've obviously never been to Cupertino, have you? Companies wanting easy access to nice weather, surfing, and scantily-clad girls locate in San Diego, not the Silly Cone Valley. In fact, there is a decided lack of available attractive females in the area... the few that are there are already dating Larry Ellison!

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    4. Re:California business baffles me.... by dgatwood · · Score: 3, Insightful
      They're not enlarging (right now). They're consolidating---moving from something like 35 rented/leased properties to one owned property. It's a lot cheaper to move thousands of existing employees to a new facility across a town than it is to try to convince them to move to another state (and try to replace everyone who said "no").

      Besides... the higher density obtained by not leasing a bunch of one and two story buildings should free up a lot of those smaller office buildings to be leveled by their owners for future condo projects like the one across the street from Apple.... :-)

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    5. Re:California business baffles me.... by dgatwood · · Score: 3, Informative
      Sorry, to be more precise, they are growing (continuously), but that growth is orthogonal to the move. Presumably, the move is partially to facilitate future growth as well, but the move is mainly to consolidate the corporate sprawl that causes some employees to have to drive for two or three miles just to eat in Café Macs.

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    6. Re:California business baffles me.... by oatworm · · Score: 2, Informative
      I live in Nevada, and I can tell you precisely why.

      1. Finding sufficiently trained employees for the kind of work Apple does would be very difficult. The only way Apple could get the kind of talent they need would be to hire them in CA and relocate them, which a lot of companies do. This is great and good, of course, until somebody quits; since there's little native talent, who do you replace them with? UNR/UNLV grads? They're both getting better, mind you, but they're nowhere near good enough to pull that off, and neither university is cranking out grad students anywhere near fast enough to meet existing local demand, much less staffing another Apple campus. This is why tech companies group together in the first place.
      2. Our unemployment rate is around 3.5-4%, meaning finding talent of any sort is especially difficult right now.
      3. Nevada is becoming more expensive to live and set up shop in. Getting a new home in Reno used to cost about $150k 5-10 years ago; that number is now somewhere past $300k, and with water rights selling around $40k/acre-foot, that's not going down anytime soon. LV prices, as I understand it, are comparable. Granted, they're still less than Bay Area prices, but the only place that isn't these days is NYC.
      4. Proximity to existing staff - this has already been mentioned, though.

    7. Re:California business baffles me.... by otis+wildflower · · Score: 1

      In other words, this has been going on for awhile ;)

      I gotta wonder if there's money to be made running colo hotels in South Dakota or Wyoming...

    8. Re:California business baffles me.... by otis+wildflower · · Score: 1

      Fair nuff.

      But why not just have nice but small 'pied a terre' offices in the fancy schmancy places and incorporate in no-tax-land?

      I just wonder where the inflection point is, when the costs of doing business in NY or CA outweigh the benefits of doing business there. I know Nissan is relocating their HQ to Tennessee, and though they are estimated to lose around 60% of their workforce, there's apparently thousands of applications...

      Keep in mind also that this line of thinking really only applies to companies too small for the more interesting tax and outsourcing shenanigans....

    9. Re:California business baffles me.... by Thorkytel+Ant-Head · · Score: 1

      I wish everyone would realize that California is not all like Los Angeles. In Northern California, smog is not an issue, and the traffic isn't nearly as bad either. It's much different up here.

  12. Re:Think Different. We need cheap housing first. by dhowells · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Finding it too expensive to live in your area? As Thatcher said, 'On your bike'. Sure, accommodation costs more in areas where jobs pay higher wages -- that is the result of market mechanisms ensuring that the value of the exchange medium (dollars) is constant accross the economy. If you think that the rest of the country has cheaper houses, and reasonable wages, then why don't you enrich yourself by moving there?

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  13. Re:Think Different. We need cheap housing first. by mkiwi · · Score: 1

    That is exactly why you get an Engineering degree with an MBA. Makes a whole world of difference.

  14. In Related News ... by Darth · · Score: 3, Funny

    Several analysts have downgraded Apple's stock, after the meeting.

    They cited the lack of any major product announcement in his presentation as a sign of weakness.

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  15. Does anyone know where exactly this is? by blueZ3 · · Score: 1

    I used to work for Trend Micro, which is just down the block from Apple (on De Anza) and I don't recall there being a lot of industrial places nearby (within a mile) that they could have purchased. Anyone know if which side of De Anza this is on? I keep thinking that it might be behind the current campus on the east side (there are some industrial buildings over there) because the west side is faily residential.

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    1. Re:Does anyone know where exactly this is? by nbvb · · Score: 1

      I understand it to be right across the street from HP's campus, which means it's over by N. Wolfe.

    2. Re:Does anyone know where exactly this is? by fm6 · · Score: 3, Informative

      The San Jose Mercury News has a map. Note to submitters: the San Francisco Chronicle isn't nearly as good as the MN on computer industry news. Try to find the MN link before submitting.

    3. Re:Does anyone know where exactly this is? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Watch the Cupertino city council addressing.

      It's the Pruneridge - Tantau - 280 triangle.

    4. Re:Does anyone know where exactly this is? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oops, did we forget to send out your eviction notice? We'll
      get right on it. Sorry for the inconvenience.

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    5. Re:Does anyone know where exactly this is? by uriber · · Score: 1

      Here's a Google Maps link, based on the map in the article.

  16. Uh-oh... but at least it's not new _headquarters_ by dpbsmith · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I wish I could remember who told me that it was a warning sign when a company builds fancy new headquarters.

    This held true for Wang Laboratories, which built The Towers just a few years before imploding... RCA's computer division build a huge, shiny building in Marlboro, Massachusetts, then collapsed, Digital BOUGHT that building and collapsed...
    Come to think of it, just when did Apple build the first Infinite Loop campus?

    (If the new-headquarters effect is more than coincidence, the cause and effect is that it tends to indicate a degree of overconfidence, ego, hubris...)

  17. Thanks! by blueZ3 · · Score: 1

    That's right behind Valco. I wonder how much worse the traffic around there will be... I come down Homestead almost every day.

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  18. Re:Think Different. We need cheap housing first. by vasqzr · · Score: 1


    If Apple wants a new campus they can buy them almost new for cheap from SGI. Give the rest of us sub-$200K housing to start putting us on parity with the rest of the country for a change.

    I thought Google moved into the old SGI building?

  19. What will it be called? by hawaiian717 · · Score: 4, Funny

    I suggest: Apple ][

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    1. Re:What will it be called? by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      And risk another lawsuit with the Beatles' holding company?

    2. Re:What will it be called? by anaesthetica · · Score: 1

      How about: iFinite Loop; Mobius Strip; 2 Infinite Loop; Infinity + 1; Infinite ForLoop; Infinite GoTo...

  20. Re:Think Different. We need cheap housing first. by Detritus · · Score: 1

    Tell the companies to move somewhere else. Cupertino used to be very affordable back when it was mostly orchards and undeveloped land. Hewlett-Packard was the only big company in the area.

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  21. Re:Think Different. We need cheap housing first. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    I'm from Massachusetts, so I need someone to show me where this sub-$200K housing market is, because it sure as hell isn't here.

    Seriously, though. There's a reason for that. A friend just bought a house for 100k dollars in Syracuse. I didn't think homes went for below 250k. Then I realized it was in Syracuse. There's a reason you pay more to live one place than you do another. It's economics, but it's also a quality of life issue.

  22. SEGWAY by inKubus · · Score: 1

    Hah, what about IT, the SEGWAY? Apple can have a whole parking lot full of them, activated by employee badge.

    Put your money where your mouth was, Steve.

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  23. The Infinite Loop that Isn't by Eric+Smith · · Score: 1
    I was an Apple employee, but left before the campus on Infinite Loop opened. When I have visitors from out of town, I like to take them for a ride around that campus, so that they can say that they've travelled the entire length of an infinite loop, from one endpoint to the other.

    Infinite Loop isn't actually a loop; it has two endpoints on Mariani Drive.

  24. Re:Good ol' California traffic OUTTA THE WAY!!! by Space+cowboy · · Score: 1

    5-7 minutes to go 10 miles ???

    I've heard the expression "put a rocket up your arse", but I've never seen it in practice!

    5 minutes to go 1 mile means you're going 12 miles/hour. To go 10 miles he'd have to be averaging 120mph!

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  25. Re:Think Different. We need cheap housing first. by ensignyu · · Score: 1

    The median house price in the Silicon Valley is over $700,000 -- even worse than during the dot-com boom. In some areas, it's well over $1 million. So $250k is downright cheap around here.

  26. Re:Good ol' California traffic OUTTA THE WAY!!! by wheezl · · Score: 1

    :) It's a bike joke sorry. I should have realized this was an innapropriate forum for such things... :)

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  27. Re:Think Different. We need cheap housing first. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    well, not to nit pick, but I said I hadn't seen anything BELOW 250k. As in, I didn't know houses were sold for anything lower than that.

  28. Re:Think Different. We need cheap housing first. by tonydiesel · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Argh... if you watch the video, you'll hear that the land was already zoned for commercial use. It isn't like they bought land that was going to be used for housing and are going to convert it. They're going to be building on land that is already used for commercial purposes.

  29. Re:Uh-oh... but at least it's not new _headquarter by Garabito · · Score: 1
    I wish I could remember who told me that it was a warning sign when a company builds fancy new headquarters.

    Well, at least they aren't naming a stadium after them.

  30. Re:Think Different. We need cheap housing first. by Thorkytel+Ant-Head · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Sorry, but the hyperbole just isn't true. I have a decent- to low-level engineering salary, and my family (single income, by the way) bought a house in the Bay Area maybe three years ago, with nearly no money down. Three years later, its value has increased by about $250,000. Remember, this is all within ten to fifteen minutes of the Apple campus. There are plenty of houses available out here at relatively affordable prices. Sure, it's a little bit of a pinch, but on the profits we've made over the last few years, we could buy a new home pretty much anywhere else in the United States. That's not bad at all.

    To summarize: It's not that bad. Stop complaining. Just dive in and buy something.

  31. rampant speculation by suzerain · · Score: 2, Funny

    I will seed Think Secret and AppleInsider with some good fodder for an article about this.

    This move is clearly proof that Apple is going to spin the music division into its own company. One campus for computers, one for music publishing/distribution.

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  32. Re:Uh-oh... but at least it's not new _headquarter by nadaou · · Score: 1

    It's the old trick of trying to sell sizzle to the investors when it becomes readily apparent that there is no steak (usually after you got drunk and ate it the night before). Think laywers and real estaters driving BMWs to promote a successful image to their clients. No big surprise.

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